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The Courant's Kevin Rennie writing at Political Wire:

Lieberman Plans for Loss Next Week

Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) will shake up his campaign staff if he loses Tuesday's Democratic primary to challenger Ned Lamont. Lieberman supporters have watched with growing dismay since the spring as the three term senator's campaign has gone from oblivious to defensive. They expect to reap a bitter harvest in 6 days.

Expect Lieberman to can anyone who was associated with 2004 Kerry campaign and replace them with a team of pungent veterans who will take the fight to Lamont. As Lieberman tours the broiling state, you can almost hear the gloves coming off in preparation for a fight to the finish in November.

Lieberman will face pressure to abandon his independent run if he gets clocked on August 8th. But on August 9th he will be able to capture the spotlight by filing his petitions for his independent run.

IF Lieberman loses, and IF he stays in the race as an independent, he will continue to harm the Democratic Party up through November.

Senate and House Democrats want nothing more desperate than to focus everyone's attention on Republicans and their embattled incumbents and open seats. Lieberman stays in, and I can confidently predict that a HUGE amount of netroots (and thus media) attention will remain on Connecticut's Senate battle and not elsewhere where it could be greatly needed. The Senate and House party committees tolerate Lieberman's independent bid at their own peril.

If Lieberman bolts the Democratic Party and becomes and independent, Harry Reid will be under intense pressure to immediately strip Lieberman of his committee assignments. Those are reserved for Democrats and loyal allies (e.g. Jeffords or Sanders). Let the Republicans give their committee seats to their favorite Democrat. That's the last thing Reid needs right now, but it'll happen if Lieberman stays in the race.

Money spent on this race today is not detracting from picking up seats in the Fall. But that will obviously change if Lieberman stays in the race.

Lieberman will make Barbara Boxer, Joe Biden, and Bill Clinton look extra stupid if their defenses of him, as a Democrat, are repaid with a big "fuck you" and a flip of the bird.

And finally, what's this "take the fight to Lamont" bullshit? They've spent the last four months "taking the fight to Lamont". They've accused him of being a racist, they've accused him of being a Republican, they've accused him of being a left-wing extremist, and they've accused him of trying to buy the election.

Does this mean that Lieberman, if he stays in the race, plans on throwing away what little of his so-called integrity he might have left?

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:00 PM PDT.

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  •  hee hee (24+ / 0-)

    "Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) will shake up his campaign staff if he loses Tuesday's Democratic primary to challenger Ned Lamont. "

    How were those SAT questions written?

    Fire campaign staff:: politics

    as

    Fire the coach :: sports

    the quarterback still sucks, Joe.

    •  Republican's Favorite Democrat (3+ / 0-)
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      MD patriot, david78209, Timothy J

      is...Joe Lieberman.

      Let the Republicans give their committee seats to their favorite Democrat. That's the last thing Reid needs right now, but it'll happen if Lieberman stays in the race.

      So...

      This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

      by Mr X on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:05:47 PM PDT

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      •  Lieberman: no integrity left (4+ / 0-)

        There is nothing left, nada, zilch, zero integrity left in the "Party of Joe".

        I hope that Lieberman supports the winner of the Democratic primary, as classy Ned Lamont has pledged to do.  The best thing Lieber-loser could do after his August 8th defeat is to sign up for Faux News, they need a replacement blow-hard for Tony Snow-job.

        Oh wait, why waste time at Faux News, Lieber-loser can just jump right to the White House, he is already Bush's chief apologist, he may as well be paid for it.

      •  The REAL reason Senators campaing for Joe (3+ / 0-)

        is that they are scared that they will one day be held accountable for their own voting transgressions.

        No Ned victory = safer incumbency and less accoubtability

        •  turn that around.... (4+ / 0-)

          ...and it's a slogan in itself

          Accountability for Incumbents: Vote Ned.

          •  billions for killing palestinians is bipartisan (0+ / 0-)

            HARTFORD, July 26 — Lesley Korzennik walked into a diner in Norwalk recently hoping to vent her frustrations with Senator Joseph I. Lieberman — over his continued support for the war, among a litany of other things. “I’m furious at him,” she said.

            But when she was asked about how she would vote in the Democratic primary next month, Ms. Korzennik, 46, who says she strongly supports Israel, sighed. “Given all that’s going on in Israel right now,” she said, “I am not going to let Lieberman go.”

            Ms. Korzennik expresses the mixed sentiments a significant number of Jewish Democrats feel about Mr. Lieberman, who is facing the toughest race in his three-term Senate career, just six years after he was Al Gore’s running mate.

            There is little question that Mr. Lieberman enjoys strong support in the national Jewish community, and several pro-Israel groups and prominent Jewish donors are rallying to funnel money and manpower to defend his seat. Many of the senator’s Jewish allies also assert that concern about his political fate, as well as about Israel, is likely to increase Jewish turnout for Mr. Lieberman in the primary.

            But Mr. Lieberman’s supporters also acknowledge that his challenger, Ned Lamont, is receiving substantial support from Jewish voters, as well as some prominent Jewish Democrats.

            “There’s no appreciable difference between the two of them on Israel,” said David B. Pudlin, the former Democratic majority leader in the Connecticut House, and one of Mr. Lamont’s more prominent Jewish advisers. “It is about Iraq, affirmative action, health care — these are things Jewish voters are going to care about.”

            You will lie to your grandchildren when they ask what you did to prevent climate change.

            by Peter Pan on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 02:21:09 PM PDT

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        •  Standard procedure. (1+ / 0-)
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          PerryA

          No, party leaders campaign for the incumbents. It doesn't matter which party. (Remember Santorum campainging for Specter in 2004?) That's the way politics is.

          If the party leadership doesn't have Joe's back, Joe has every reason to jump. If you are in leadership, you want every vote you can get, even the ones who can be a pain in the ass at times.

          I do not live in CT, so I will not be voting in this primary, but I would prefer to see Lamont win over Lieberman. However, if I were a Democratic Senator, I would be campaigning for Lieberman until the primary. If Lieberman lost, I would be convincing him to drop out.

          I don't care what any prominent Democrat does before the primary, and neither should anyone else here on dKos. After the primary, however, they all better damn well back the winner, whoever that may be.

          Let's make Tommy Moore our Governor.

          by wayward on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 08:19:58 PM PDT

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    •  CTBOB GOT THE VIDEO OF THE DAY (2+ / 0-)
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      Check it out,LMFAO

      http://ctbob.blogspot.com/

      http://dumpjoe.com/

      by ctkeith on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:33:49 PM PDT

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    •  They should say Sen. Joe Lieberman (Lieberman-CT) (0+ / 0-)

      What a jerk. Reid should absolutely strip him of his committee assignments. He won't get far as a "petitioning Republican."

      If your name was George Walker instead of George Walker Bush, your candidacy would be a joke.

      by dole4pineapple on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:56:23 PM PDT

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  •  Use Lieberman to Bash Bush (8+ / 0-)

    Joe Lieberman's record since 2000 has been nearly indistinguishable from that of George W. Bush.  So if Joe really wants to draw fire all the way into November, every responsible Democrat that wants to see a Democrat win office from November should use his betrayal as a way to target Bush's failed policies.

    Read James Loewen's "Sundown Towns"!

    by ChicagoDem on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 12:55:23 PM PDT

    •  dammit (0+ / 0-)

      in November, not "from"...

      Read James Loewen's "Sundown Towns"!

      by ChicagoDem on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 12:56:17 PM PDT

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    •  Exactly (4+ / 0-)
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      JOeliberman continuing run == National Joementum for Republican party.

      Pundits and talker have to keeps talking/explaingin WHY lieberman needs to be save, they have to spin and spin...reminding people iraq, iraq, iraq...bush, bush, bush, ...  right next to things blowing up on screen.

      Joementum IS a serious power...! I don't think Republican realises this.

      By continuing run , Republican talking class, media and pundits also has to spend TIME talking about democratic issues (slanted as they are, they still have to explain to audiance what democratic voters are thinking. otherwise they won't make sense)

      So.......this fight is serious ...

      use Joementum to bring down entire Republican media talking point.

  •  asdf (8+ / 0-)

    Does this mean that Lieberman, if he stays in the race, plans on throwing away what little of his so-called integrity he might have left?

    Yes.

  •  From Their Lips to God's Ears (6+ / 0-)

    " Lieberman supporters have watched with growing dismay since the spring as the three term senator's campaign has gone from oblivious to defensive. They expect to reap a bitter harvest in 6 days."

    Actually, I don't believe in God, but I'll hit my knees anyway to make the above quote come true.

  •  So basically, (13+ / 0-)

    Joe Lieberman will continue...

    1. to blame everyone but himself for a primary loss.
    1. to care more about himself than his party and the causes that he says he supports.

    He still doesn't get why he's in as much trouble as he's in.

    Visit my blog Penndit. Media, politics, campaigns, and political communications.

    by Newsie8200 on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 12:56:05 PM PDT

    •  It's called EXTORTION (1+ / 0-)
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      The Republicans have probably put him up to this.  
      "Poor Joe.  They just don't understand.  You're a great senator.  You're always willing to listen and try to work with us.  What's wrong with your constituents?  And what's with those bloggers anyway?  It's OK, Joe.  We have a plan with the telecomms to take care of them.  If they don't want to compromise and work with us, we'll make it hard for them to talk to each other. Howz that, Joe?  Feelin' better?  Yes, we'll get them this fall.  They'll be sorry they ever pushed a  great man like you around."

      -3.63, -4.46 "Choose something like a star to stay your mind on- and be staid"

      by goldberry on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:17:13 PM PDT

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      •  LOL! Just read Jane at FDL (0+ / 0-)

        The Courant and WaPo are already out praising Joes "experience" at working with Republican moderates (no such animal) and conservatives to get tricky legislature passed.  It is his "specialty" and a new Democratic congress will need his skills in the near future.  Oh man, they are shameless in their support of Joe.  They need a Democratic backstabber in the worst way.  

        -3.63, -4.46 "Choose something like a star to stay your mind on- and be staid"

        by goldberry on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:33:06 PM PDT

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  •  Utterly shameless. (2+ / 0-)
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    I hope this continues to drive down Lieberman's dem. support in the primary. I hope Lamont delivers a decisive smackdown. Joementum just keeps digging himself a deeper hole--just like his rethug buddies.

  •  Horrible (12+ / 0-)

    If Lieberman loses, he should fight the Republican candidate, not Lamont.

    Blech.

    "Unitary executive" is French for "Mussolini."

    by bink on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 12:56:48 PM PDT

  •  What I THINK it means (4+ / 0-)

    It's still consistent with the idea that, whether he is going to run Indepdendent or not, he wants to scare all the party regulars into thinking he will.

  •  I just received a petition (7+ / 0-)
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    from Harry Reid detailing, basically, Ned Lamont's position on Iraq.  Why are these people standing behind Lieberman?  Don't they feel like tools?

    •  PDF! (1+ / 0-)
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      vets74

      Please scan it and post it.

      "You have to keep your knee on [Bush's] windpipe until the danger is past." -- Garry Trudeau

      by tbetz on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:21:29 PM PDT

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      •  Okay, here goes: (1+ / 0-)
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        United with one voice, Democratic leaders from Joe Biden to John Murtha sent a clear message to George Bush -- it's time for a New Direction in Iraq. Our plan is straightforward: we believe that a phased redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq should begin by the end of 2006. And our soldiers in the region should transition to a more limited mission focused on counterterrorism, force protection of U.S. personnel, training and logistical support of Iraqi security forces.

        Read the letter below and add your name by visiting:

        http://giveemhellharry.com/...

        Thank you,

        Harry Reid

        July 30, 2006

        The President
        The White House
        Washington, D.C.

        Dear Mr. President:

        While the world has been focused on the crisis in the Middle East, Iraq has exploded in violence. Some 6,000 Iraqis were killed in May and June, and sectarian and insurgent violence continues to claim American and Iraqi lives at an alarming rate. In the face of this onslaught, one can only conclude that the Baghdad security plan you announced five weeks ago is in great jeopardy.

        Despite the latest evidence that your Administration lacks a coherent strategy to stabilize Iraq and achieve victory, there has been virtually no diplomatic effort to resolve sectarian differences, no regional effort to establish a broader security framework, and no attempt to revive a struggling reconstruction effort. Instead, we learned of your plans to redeploy an additional 5,000 U.S. troops into an urban war zone in Baghdad. Far from implementing a comprehensive "Strategy for Victory" as you promised months ago, your Administration's strategy appears to be one of trying to avoid defeat.

        Meanwhile, U.S. troops and taxpayers continue to pay a high price as your Administration searches for a policy. Over 2,500 Americans have made the ultimate sacrifice and over 18,000 others have been wounded. The Iraq war has also strained our military and constrained our ability to deal with other challenges. Readiness levels for the Army are at lows not seen since Vietnam, as virtually no active Army non-deployed combat brigade is prepared to perform its wartime missions. American taxpayers have already contributed over $300 billion and each week we stay in Iraq adds nearly $3 billion more to our record budget deficit.

        In the interests of American national security, our troops, and our taxpayers, the open-ended commitment in Iraq that you have embraced cannot and should not be sustained.

        Rather, we continue to believe that it is time for Iraqis to step forward and take the lead for securing and governing their own country. This is the principle enshrined in the "United States Policy in Iraq Act" enacted last year. This law declares 2006 to be a year of "significant transition to full Iraqi sovereignty, with Iraqi security forces taking the lead for the security of a free and sovereign Iraq, thereby creating the conditions for the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq." Regrettably, your policy seems to be moving in the opposite direction.

        This legislation made clear that Iraqi political leaders must be informed that American patience, blood and treasure are not unlimited. We were disappointed that you did not convey this message to Prime Minister Maliki during his recent visit. Reducing the U.S. footprint in Iraq will not only give the Iraqis a greater incentive to take the lead for the security of their own nation, but will also allow U.S. forces to be able to respond to contingencies affecting the security of the United States elsewhere in the world.

        We believe that a phased redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq should begin before the end of 2006. U.S. forces in Iraq should transition to a more limited mission focused on counterterrorism, training and logistical support of Iraqi security forces, and force protection of U.S. personnel.

        Additionally, every effort should be made to urge the Iraqis to take the steps necessary to achieve a broad-based and sustainable political settlement, including amending the constitution to achieve a fair sharing of power and resources. It is also essential to disarm the militias and ensure forces loyal to the national government. Finally, an international conference should be convened to persuade other governments to be more involved, and to secure the resources necessary to finance Iraq=s reconstruction and rebuild its economy.

        Mr. President, simply staying the course in Iraq is not working. We need to take a new direction. We believe these recommendations comprise an effective alternative to the current open-ended commitment which is not producing the progress in Iraq we would all like to see. Thank you for your careful consideration of these suggestions.

        Harry Reid, Senate Democratic Leader
        Nancy Pelosi, House Democratic Leader
        Dick Durbin, Senate Assistant Democratic Leader
        Steny Hoyer, House Minority Whip
        Carl Levin, Ranking Member, Senate Armed Services Committee
        Ike Skelton, Ranking Member, House Armed Services Committee
        Joe Biden, Ranking Member, Senate Foreign Relations Committee
        Tom Lantos, Ranking Member, House International Relations Committee
        Jay Rockefeller, Vice Chairman, Senate Intelligence Committee
        Jane Harman, Ranking Member, House Intelligence Committee
        Daniel Inouye, Ranking Member, Senate Defense Appropriations Subcommittee
        John Murtha, Ranking Member, House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee

        Add your name now:

        •  wont add my name (0+ / 0-)

          unless the dems have a plan to get the world to like us.

          funding israel's slaughter and rushing israel bombs to be dropped on palestinians and lebanese has recruited millions for al qaeda.

          will winning the election end the terror war?

          You will lie to your grandchildren when they ask what you did to prevent climate change.

          by Peter Pan on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 02:29:49 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah, that's about it. (0+ / 0-)

          Say something more direct about knocking down the Death Squads.

          The current redeployment is aimed at this one problem. The "avoid defeat" tag line misses the situation.

          The objective, now, should be to avoid causing another Rwanda.

          Jeffersonian Democracy is America's best answer to Bush/Cheney

          by vets74 on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 02:35:03 PM PDT

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  •  If Zell Lieberman loses, then actually does the (1+ / 0-)
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    right thing and doesn't run as an Independent, he's still not going to go away.  I believe that he will stick around in the media and try to harm the Democratic party by happily giving out more of his bad political advice that nobody wants.  Also, he's so addicted to his plum spots on all of the Right-Wing talk shows that he will do absolutely everything he can to make his Republican friends happy since he will (1) want to keep hi face time and (2) he will be angling for the Sec. of Defense job 24/7.  

    Don't be so afraid of dying that you forget to live.

    by LionelEHutz on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 12:59:45 PM PDT

  •  Joe, want to keep your seat? (3+ / 0-)
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    Try being a Democrat.

    "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

    by Five of Diamonds on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 12:59:56 PM PDT

  •  I can't deal with this (9+ / 0-)

    I've spent my whole day fighting a pro-Lieberman troll on Wikipedia's article on him. I'm supposed to be working- I'm gonna get fired! God these people suck.

  •  If Joe can't win, throw it to a Repub (0+ / 0-)

    Don't let Bush surrender the Bill of Rights to the terrorists

    by bejammin075 on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:00:23 PM PDT

  •  Um, what would happen if... (0+ / 0-)

    the DNC (or suitable well-heeled progressives) were to hire all of the "pungent veterans" before Lieberman got his hands on them and pointed them at the Republicans?

    It is difficult to win an argument when your opponent is unencumbered with a knowledge of the facts. Dr. Nordstrom's First Rule of Debate

    by DemInTampa on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:00:28 PM PDT

    •  Pungent veterans (1+ / 0-)
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      Are they pungent because of the dessicated flesh rotting off their ossified bones?

      I mean, seriously, how the hell can a person be "pungent"?

      •  Someone else's term for them... (2+ / 0-)
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        but I'm guessing these "pungent veterans" will be Swiftboater types to help Lieberman go on a suicide mission to show those uppity voters a thing or two.

        All I'm sayin' is that it would be relatively inexpensive to hire the top talent in that area and make them unavailable for Whinerman's use.  I'd kick in some money to help that happen just so we don't have to hear his Droopy Dog whine and painful attempts to be hip any more.  (Fox News doesn't count, because I don't soil my eyeballs with them.)

        It is difficult to win an argument when your opponent is unencumbered with a knowledge of the facts. Dr. Nordstrom's First Rule of Debate

        by DemInTampa on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:21:35 PM PDT

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      •  Pungent veterans? (2+ / 0-)
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        Well, Bob Schrum does give off a whiff of Roquefort.

      •  smell bad? n/t (0+ / 0-)
      •  Secondary definition: (0+ / 0-)

        Dictionary.com:

        pungent

          1. Affecting the organs of taste or smell with a sharp acrid sensation.
          2.
                a. Penetrating, biting, or caustic: pungent satire.
                b. To the point; sharp: pungent talks during which the major issues were confronted.
          3. Pointed: a pungent leaf.

        Though their strategies certainly are pungent, first definition.

        -4.50, -3.59 Unlike Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reiley, I believe that World War Three is a bad thing

        by teenagedallasdeaniac on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 06:39:11 PM PDT

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    •  Why waste the money? (5+ / 0-)
      Um, what would happen if the DNC (or suitable well-heeled progressives) were to hire all of the "pungent veterans" before Lieberman got his hands on them and pointed them at the Republicans?

       We've seen samples of the effectiveness and 'pungency' of said veterans for the past several elections.  Let's hope Lieberman hires  Amy Sullivan and Paul Begala.

      "...the definition of a gaffe in Washington is somebody who tells the truth but shouldn't have." Howard Dean

      by colleen on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:33:38 PM PDT

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  •  Joe reminds me of Al Franken. (6+ / 0-)

    Remember how Al used to do those self-aggrandizing monologues on 'Saturday Night Live' that were frequently punctuated with "I'm Al Franken"?  Those were funny; Joe's cribbing of these is, unfortunately, not.

    Fell the Joenertia.

    Russ Feingold: cooler than Batman.

    by yojimbo on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:00:29 PM PDT

  •  Qpoll (0+ / 0-)

    is there a new qpoll due today?

    Thanks

    •  thursday n/t (0+ / 0-)

      Comment tentatively approved by Supreme Overlord Kos

      by exiled texan on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:03:48 PM PDT

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      •  very eager to see it (2+ / 0-)
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        I desperately want Ned Lamont to win, but I fear that we are getting a little too cocky here. Don't forget that Joe is very well-financed and experienced. Knocking him off is a Herculean task--we can't count our chickens before they're hatched.

        I've just been crushed with disappointment one too many times. And believe me, if we lose this thing, the media is gonna be merciless.

        Oh please oh please let us win just this once . . . I would really love to celebrate a genuine victory party!

        Gonna be a judgment, that's a fact. A righteous train rollin' down this track . . . -- Bruce Springsteen

        by saucy monkey on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 04:19:41 PM PDT

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  •  In a twisted way... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... Clinton's stumping for Lieberman should actually put more pressure on Lieberman to drop out if he loses the primary.

    --simon

    •  it doesn't matter (2+ / 0-)
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      Joe running is a boon for us, we got the national media spotlight. And the pundit class has to explain what goes on in democrats voter's mind.

      They also has to defend Bush Iraq war policy as a result... It's pernicious power of Joementum.

      •  To a large extent you are right on (0+ / 0-)

        The pundits have to describe us, they have to find words to put us down, and they have to describe Joe's dilemma.  I found out about Dkos from Kurtz and you know he is a putz sometimes (or maybe most times!)  So more people will find out about us and Lamont and Lieberman in ways that are all to the good, inspite of the intent.

    •  Why is that twisted? (2+ / 0-)
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      Heart of the Rockies, mollyd

      Par for the course in politics. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. But...if you can't, I'll bludgeon you with a hammer. Simple really.

  •  this is why I don't get it (5+ / 0-)

    What the hell were those Dem politicos thinking going over there to campaign for a guy who's already threatened to quit the party, a guy who's already admitted that he doesn't care what Democratic voters think of him?  It seems pretty obvious that Lieberman and Lieberman alone is the possible monkeywrench in Democratic plans to flip a bunch of Connecticut seats.  Lieberman is able to muck up the entire state election, and he's willing to muck that up, just to save his political skin.

    Idiots.

    Comment tentatively approved by Supreme Overlord Kos

    by exiled texan on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:02:47 PM PDT

  •  Consider the source (6+ / 0-)
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    Kevin Rennie of South Windsor is a lawyer and a former Republican state senator and representative.

    Rennie is hoping some way, any way, for the republicans to get into this race with a legitimate candidate, of which he does not consider their current candidate to be either legitimate or have a hope in hell.

    It's funny, when Ned Lamont was unknown Rennie championed him getting into the race, as far back as early January. In the last few weeks though when it became obvious that Lamont would not only be competitive but was actually troucing Lieberman's campaign Rennie has gone on another tack completely.

    Kevin Rennie is first, last, and always a Republican operative. If you want to know what he's up to you never have to look very far.

  •  Joe wants to take a mulligan (n/t) (3+ / 0-)
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    "Anybody who says you can't herd cats never tried a can opener."--Jim Hightower

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:05:18 PM PDT

  •  Huge issue (1+ / 0-)
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    saucy monkey

    Really, the oxygen this race will suck up is a huge, huge issue for the Democratic Party, if Lieberman runs as an Independent. Dozens of races around the country will be deprived of money and especially volunteers because they won't get enough traction in an "all CT, all the time" on-line world.

    I'm startin' to work up a dislike for that man ...

    PubliusTV: A Collaborative Media Network

    by BriVT on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:05:36 PM PDT

  •  Partly our responsibility (2+ / 0-)
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    jab, Radiowalla

    Let's be honest, though.  Even if you accept that Ned's primary battle hasn't distracted from other races and used up valuable Dem. resources, but that Lieberman sticking around for the general election would, it's something Ned backers knew would be the case when they/we started this thing.  Lieberman should still be gone at aggressively if he sticks around (if he loses next week!!!) because it's a GREAT issue for NED.  But in truth we have to take some of the responsibility for the consequences of that.  Because we all KNEW he'd stick around.

    •  Do we now? (0+ / 0-)

      I don't.

    •  No way (9+ / 0-)

      it's something Ned backers knew would be the case when they/we started this thing

      Au contraire. I was all but certain that a sitting Democratic senator would never gather petitions to run as an independent while running in his own party's primary at the same time.

      Call me crazy, but I think the smart money was on my position. I really don't think there's any precedent for what Joe is doing - and it is indeed a spectacle.

      •  I agree (4+ / 0-)
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        matt le w, bree, CAL11 voter, Electioneer

        I argued that he'd do one or the other--I wouldn't have been surprised at all if a month ago he'd pulled out of the primary entirely and petitioned on.  What he's actually doing is nuts--it hurts his chances in both races.  

        Unless this is a bluff and he has no actual intention of running as an indy, and all of this petition stuff is simply a high pressure tactic to get the party establishment to throw its weight fully behind him in the primary in order to avoid the drain of a race against him as an indy.  Such a gamble posits that the institutional support is valuable enough to offset the fallout the petition drives have caused and that he wouldn't have gotten it otherwise.  Letting slip that a handful of petitions (but not anywhere near the bulk) have been submitted early is consistent with this hypothesis.

      •  It will be a spectacle of disloyalty... (0+ / 0-)

        if he runs as an independent.  Do you really think he would do that to his Democrat friends.

        •  how about the way he left ... (1+ / 0-)
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          RainyDay

          the DEMs vulnerable in 2000:then he did not resign his senate seat to run as vp leaving the possibility that if he was allowed to take the vp spot that the gop gov. of CT would fill his vacancy with a gopper tipping the power in the senate to the gop...

          joe has always been about joe. shameless little man.

          -7.75 -5.59
          Mr. Cheney, go fuck yourself.

          by trippinsf on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 04:18:42 PM PDT

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    •  I see your point (4+ / 0-)
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      tikkun, sphealey, Aquarius40, bree

      but from my perspective the responsibility lies with Lieberman.  There wasn't any talk of Joe actually bolting the party until Lamont became a viable candidate, that is, after he had declared his candidacy and we had declared our support for him.  If we had caved when Lieberman threatened to take his toys and go home, it would've been a statement to every incumbent in the country that, once you're elected, you can do whatever you want and your party won't bounce you in the primaries.  If you're in a safe blue district or state, you can essentially hold your district hostage.

      Perhaps the current situation is partially our fault, but it would've been far more irresponsible to fold under Joenertia's threats.  You have to earn your votes, damnit, and not even incumbent Democrats get a free pass.

      Besides, candidates, EVEN INCUMBENTS, typically yield their seat when they lose their own primary.  What Joe's doing here is not common practice and we shouldn't pretend like it is.  It's a relatively rare act of selfishness and disloyalty, and just because we beat him it doesn't make it our fault.  Joe could take his humble pie and sit down for Ned and the rest of Connecticut's Democratic candidates, and it's unreasonable for us to have expected that he would do otherwise.

      Comment tentatively approved by Supreme Overlord Kos

      by exiled texan on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:27:02 PM PDT

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  •  How the Demo leaders respond (1+ / 0-)
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    sphealey

    Will give them the opportunity to display their skills. If they can't get him to go home nicely then they don't qualify as leaders. Joementia has already revealed his true nature. Be funny if in the fall he's out of the senate but moving thru a confirmation hearing to be a Bush cabinet lackey.

  •  Lieberman independent bid could help Democrats (7+ / 0-)

    If Lieberman loses next Tuesday, I doubt he will launch an independent bid.  But if he does, I don't see the gloom and doom that some do.
    I'm looking forward to seeing how Schumer's DSCC reacts in such a situation, though I assume they would back Lamont rather than start a civil war.
    Plus, I think the presence of both Lieberman and Lamont on the November ballot would drive up November turnout by Democrats.  In a heated contest, both candidates will be focused heavily on GOTV.  This could be a huge benefit to the Democrats challenging Shays, Johnson and Simmons for Congress.

  •  My take -- and I know you're dyin' for it -- (2+ / 0-)
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    glitterscale, Cream Puff

    This is the only thing, and I mean the only thing, Lieberman has left to campaign on, that has any credence with Democratic primary voters: putting the fear of a three-way into state Dems. (Yes, I realize I just juxtaposed "Lieberman" and "3-way." Mea culpa.) I mean, he's self-destructed so alarmingly these past few months that nothing he can point to--his voting record, big-time endorsements, his plan going forward in the Senate, his warm'n'fuzzy relationship with CT--holds any water with the primary voters. But Joe may be thinking that, as partisan Democrats, these voters just might be afraid to risk the rift that a Lieberman independent bid would cause, and that's what might get them to vote for him in August.

    I think this is just so much selective leaking of a primary campaign tactic. And if that doesn't work, he doesn't file for an I. And there was much rejoicing.

    Something's happening here today -- a show of strength with your boys' brigade. Paul Weller

    by jamfan on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:08:27 PM PDT

  •  Have any of these Lieberman (3+ / 0-)
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    tikkun, candace in sonoma, jj32

    supporting Dems (Boxer et al) agreed to stand behind the Dem that wins next week? If Lamont wins and they are not instantly behind him I will have lost all faith in Boxer. How can Senator Boxer be willing to give up all the great work that she has done to just support Pro-torture Lieberman? Something is going on here and I don't like it one bit. I am ashamed of Senator Boxer for not having come out already and saying "I will support which ever Dem nominee that the good people of Conn put on the Nov ballot." If she has already said this I give her props, if not I am disgusted. I live in Calif and I hope she makes the right decision.

    I am typing my fingers to the bone for Harry, his little hippie River, us, and America.

    by Chamonix on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:08:40 PM PDT

  •  'look extra stupid... ' (3+ / 0-)
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    SecondComing, jj32, theark

    Lieberman made noise about going independent before our (temporarily insane) Barbara and big Bill came out for him. Wouldn't you think they--and their staff--would have had the conversation first about needing something from Joe in return, post-primary? Like doing the right thing? aka, don't make me look stupid.

    Or is this logic illogical?

  •  what a total ass. (3+ / 0-)
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    tikkun, SecondComing, saucy monkey

    i've got news for you, joe. this cycle is about more than keeping your fucking seat. it is not all about you. the very idea that you would further imperil the nation in a lame bid to hold on to power at all costs is repulsive. should you lose this primary and continue to campaign against the candidate chosen by the DEMOCRATS of connecticut, you will have earned the unending scorn and ridicule of DEMOCRATS and all AMERICANS for the rest of your pathetic, self serving life. you should be immediately stripped of your committee assignments the instant you bolt the party. it should be swift and very, very public.

    this "party of one" bullshit is disturbingly lame and makes you look like what i always suspected you actually are, a sad, sad little man, sad and small of both honor and character. it's hard to imagine that you could debase yourself any further than the pathetic "joementum!" era, but it appears you are going to do your pathetic best to try.

    fuck you, joe lieberman. fuck you very, very much.

    "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

    send NYBri to the NY state senate!

    by lipris on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:09:19 PM PDT

  •  Part of me has to wonder... (1+ / 0-)
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    sphealey

    If some people's support for Lieberman (Clinton, etc) will actually go away after this primary, despite what people may have said - especially the support of Biden and others that are still actually in government. With 18 years of experience, Lieberman has some seniority and people need to play along with him. But when (and I do think it's when, not if) Lamont wins, some of that DCCC cash goes to Lamont by default, along with support from many lobbyists and so forth.

    There'd be too much structural support and cash going in one direction - despite that the incumbent is still in the race - that it'd be hard for DLC types to justify swimming against the current too strongly. It'd be more work than it's worth to give Lieberman anything other than moral support - and only give that when asked.

    •  Yeah, if I were a lobbyist (0+ / 0-)

      even a conservative one, what motivation would I have to contribute to Joe?

      Wouldn't I either contribute to the candidate of the party closest in ideology or just contribute to another race altogether?

  •  Let him run as an indy. He's a fuckwad. (3+ / 0-)
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    saucy monkey, Inland, RainyDay

    After Tuesday, focus on Lamont vs the GOP candidate, whoever the fuck that is.  Pretend Lieberman doesn't exist.  No more debates, no more rhetorical battles.  Focus on the positive, and when someone asks Lamont about Lieberman the independent, he should simply say, "I already beat him in the primary...my focus now is on what I can do for Connecticut."

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:17:30 PM PDT

    •  I think that's damn good advice..... (0+ / 0-)

      Certainly there's no need to keep going over Lieberman and how he's a bad democrat, because he isn't a bad democrat, if he runs a third party against a democrat.  

      •  He's just a bad politician. It's his fifteen (1+ / 0-)
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        Inland

        minutes of fame...let him live with it.  I hope it was worth it, for Joe, when he wakes up to realise he was rejected by the same people who previously voted for him (including, we should note, Ned Lamont).

        Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

        by darthstar on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 03:41:13 PM PDT

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    •  If Lieberman goes indy (0+ / 0-)

      He IS the de facto GOP candidate.

      The GOP has only put up token opposition for this seat. Most Republicans would probably back an indy Lieberman.

      Let's make Tommy Moore our Governor.

      by wayward on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 08:22:02 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The last thing Reid needs right now? (7+ / 0-)

    Harry Reid will be under intense pressure to immediately strip Lieberman of his committee assignments. Those are reserved for Democrats and loyal allies (e.g. Jeffords or Sanders). Let the Republicans give their committee seats to their favorite Democrat. That's the last thing Reid needs right now, but it'll happen if Lieberman stays in the race.

    Oh for pete sake, if he loses strip him clean. Congress is on vacation during August. After September, they're campaigning.  They're not going to accomplish anything meaningful for the rest of the year.

    •  Caution (0+ / 0-)

      What happens if we end up with a senate which is 50 Democrats, 49 Republicans, and a victorious Joe Lieberman?  Does Reid really want to burn all the bridges there?  Lieberman deserves to be made an example of, but Reid is going to get a lot of flak if the Senate stays in the hands of the GOP because Joe decides to caucus with the other side, and he'd better take that into account before acting.

  •  I'm curious (0+ / 0-)
    I think Jeff Seeman mentioned this a week ago or something. But has anyone seen a Lieberman petition?? I assume he is actively gathering signatures but I havent seen much news about it. I would assume to get 7500 valid sigs you would need to gather like 8500-10,000 at least to make sure you get them.

    Al Gore announced today that his next documentary would be about Ann Coulter. He's calling it "An Inconvenient Bitch" -Dave Letterman

    by jj32 on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:20:00 PM PDT

    •  I've seen 4 reports (2+ / 0-)
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      matt le w, jj32
      1. Someone went to a weekend party and an old-time party leader was circulating the petition
      1. Someone was at a business meeting and a top executive circulated it
      1. The Courant saw some people manning a table outside a store -- they packed up and wouldn't talk when the reporters approached
      1. Petitons have been turned in in several towns
  •  Dear Kos.... (0+ / 0-)

    Loserman has just as much integrity left as say....

    Madame SuperTanker...that's Rice.

    'DeadEye' Dick...you know whoooo!

    Mr. 'Resting Heartbeat' 46...see Nora Ephron in Huff Post.

    Mr. Rumsfeld...'Oh, I don't know...'

    That would be exactly none, zero, nada, zilch.

    "Such is the irresistible nature of truth that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing."

    by Nestor Makhnow on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:21:57 PM PDT

  •  Don't forget the 'Weicker's pawn' attack (1+ / 0-)
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    tikkun

    on Lamont.  

    Remember?  Bear cub ad?  

    So he's a Republican-clone, racist, supported by far lefties like Maxine Waters and Al Sharpton, and he's the pawn of a political independent.

    Gee, Joe, seems like there is a lot of hatred---from your side.  

    If the government's going to monitor my phone calls, can they chip in for the bills?

    by bosdcla14 on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:22:33 PM PDT

  •  He runs (0+ / 0-)
    Make it about his ego.
    Not his record. His ego.
    He makes it personal on Lamont, turn it into ego.
    As in, "The people have spoken Joe. Stop trying to keep what is no longer yours. It makes you a thief."
  •  Let's call his bluff (4+ / 0-)
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    tikkun, bree, suzq, elouise

    He can't really be serious because his political career will be over if he actually carries out this threat.  We WILL concentrate all of our efforts to take him out.  We can't let a challenge like that go unpunished.  But the scorched earth policy will make him unfit for any other office and he knows it.  He is just trying to scare the Democratic establishment into supporting him before the primary in the hopes he can terrify a few more votes out of them.  
    Call his bluff.  

    -3.63, -4.46 "Choose something like a star to stay your mind on- and be staid"

    by goldberry on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:23:13 PM PDT

    •  I agree. (1+ / 0-)
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      bree

      The more I think about it, the more I think that it would be virtually impossible for Joe to mount an effective campaign without a party.

      Without union support, without special interest support, without corporate support (in this economy, save some money.  Don't donate at all!) And without grass roots support, because as we know all the hired hands in the world cannot replace true believers willing to volunteer.

  •  An independent candidacy by Sen. Lieberman... (0+ / 0-)

    would be an act of betrayal to all Democrats, including his friends in the Senate IMHO.

  •  Margin of defeat (1+ / 0-)
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    tikkun

    By how large of a margin would Lieberman have to lose for him to decide not to run as an independent? Ten percent(55% to 45%)? Twenty percent (60 % to 40%)? If it's less than 5%, he probably will run.      

  •  Even some of the Reps Hate Joe for right reason (6+ / 0-)

    Which I hope bodes poorly for his run as an independent.

    From Today's New London Day:

    http://www.theday.com/...

    Lieberman Turns Up Heat On Tour Through Region
    Caught in close race with Lamont, senator pulls out all the stops

    By Ted Mann

    “Go home, Joe, you bum,” Ron Niemczyk called out, on his way into the market.

    By way of explanation, back by the deli counter, Niemczyk, a Republican, said he was turned off by what he saw as the senator's opportunism.
    “Joe Lieberman only cares about himself,” Niemczyk said. “I'm not a Democrat, I understand, but he still represents the people in the state. Joe Lieberman's intention to split the party if he doesn't win the primary is just horrible.”

    Perhaps worse for Lieberman, he leveled a charge not unlike that which helped the senator topple incumbent Sen. Lowell P. Weicker Jr. in 1988: the cardinal sin of being out of touch with his constituents.

    “The only time we ever see him, the only time we ever see him, is when it's election time,” Niemczyk said. “Typical politician.”

    Resisting the Conservation of Joementum

    by LIsoundview on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:35:18 PM PDT

  •  Repubs on RS are cheering for Lamont (1+ / 0-)
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    FightTheFuture

    based on this:

    Senate and House Democrats want nothing more desperate than to focus everyone's attention on Republicans and their embattled incumbents and open seats. Lieberman stays in, and I can confidently predict that a HUGE amount of netroots (and thus media) attention will remain on Connecticut's Senate battle and not elsewhere where it could be greatly needed. The Senate and House party committees tolerate Lieberman's independent bid at their own peril.

    However, the diarist also claims that the CT SEN race has been good for the republicans.  This is pure denial.  The national press coverage has hammered some things home:

    -Americans want to elect Democrats
    -Americans want to elect those who are against the war
    -Americans want to elect those who oppose GWB
    -Democrats stand for certain specific things, including standing up to the president and being against the war in Iraq

    How this is bad for dems and good for republicans is beyond me.  Like most RS posts, I think reality has eluded the diarist.  Republicans have every reason to be scared of the democratic tide in this country.  Joe Leiberman could be any republican in the country.  Liberal values and ideas are winning, conservative values and ideas are losing.

  •  Lieberman insists on making a mess of this... (1+ / 0-)
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    Inland

    If the guy had any integrity whatsoever, he would accept the results of the primary.  He will not.  He will run as an Indie and the spectacle that surrounds him (he will love it) heading into November will significantly harm Democratic candidates across the country.  

    I think the mere threats made by Lieberman to run as an Indie have already harmed Democrats.  It’s only going to get much worse when he does it.  This is really unfortunate.  Lieberman has no concern for the Democratic Party and its ideals... it’s all about him.

  •  summary (1+ / 0-)
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    Radiowalla

    OK,let's see if I get this straight,  many here worked for/contributed to Lamont, a good guy, against Lieberman, a bad guy.  The good guy wins the primary, the bad guy does the bad thing, and runs as an independent.  Money, time, and attention is now diverted from overthrowing the Republicans, the evil guys, to retaining this CT seat--that was the safest one up this election cycle.  So, if Lamont wins on Tuesday, the evils have a better chance in November.  And I'm supposed to root for Lamont, as Frist is probably doing also.  I don't want to be on the same side of the street as that bastard, yet making him happy should make me happy?  

    This is not power politics--this is Kafka at his most distructive.

    •  What you say is only true if... (2+ / 0-)

      ...Lieberman selfishly runs as an Independent.  Or do you not think Democratic voters should have a say in who their representative is?

      If the voters want Lamont as their representative it is Lieberman who would be plainly acting against the interests of the Democratic Party by running.

      The Democratic Party is made up of its voters (not the establishment elite) and they seem likely to show that Lieberman does not represent their interests.  If that is the case how could any Democrat work for Lieberman?

    •  It is a matter of party loyalty. (0+ / 0-)

      Other Democrats have faced the challenge.  Recently, one Democrat in Ohio met the challenge correctly.  

    •  Primary elections? (1+ / 0-)
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      Bhishma

      So you are proposing we no longer have primary elections?  Elected offices become sinecures?  Who makes the appointment?  Bill Clinton?  Karl Rove?

      That's the thing about a democracy:  sometimes the voters don't vote the way the insiders want.  If you think that is a bad thing, fine, but help me understand what form of government you are proposing.

      sPh

      •  circumstances (0+ / 0-)

        The country, the constitution, the world, the economy---all these things have been destroyed by Bushie--and that's why drastic measures are called for.  It's all Lieberman's fault if CT takes away needed resources--and he should be punished when our ship is righted.  That said, Lieberman losing isn't worth risking the Evils remaining in control of everything.  Priorities--necessities--not luxories at this moment.

        This year it really is, win or else.  Of course if you don't agree that this is an emergency, look local--not national.  But realize, that choice might be thrust upon us.

  •  When Lamont wins, we get ANOTHER voice (4+ / 0-)
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    vivacia, bincbom, saucy monkey, Bhishma

    Lieberman becomes irrelevant.
    Lamont can talk about the evil that is the Republican congress.

  •  No reason not to kick Homentum's ass to the curb. (0+ / 0-)

    All the more reason to do so, I say.

    And if the Pubs and their pet media try to make out like Lieberman's some swell guy, lynched by the liberals, we'll just showcase his record of sticking it to the average Joe, so Shameless Joe can keep on schmooching with George W. Bush.

    I wonder what Tom Friedman will be wrong about next. :)

    by cskendrick on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 02:07:34 PM PDT

  •  His political Joebituary will be written soon n/t (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    saucy monkey, curatorius, Bhishma

    If your name was George Walker instead of George Walker Bush, your candidacy would be a joke.

    by dole4pineapple on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 02:08:50 PM PDT

  •  'Pungent veterans?' (0+ / 0-)

    How are a bunch of smelly ex-G.I.'s supposed to help Joementum?

    I thought a bad stench around him was one of the reasons he was in trouble in the first place.

  •  He lost integrity even discussing losing (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    bincbom

    His support will drop if he goes to a 3rd party race, I bet.  Right now people claim to support him, but when the chips go down, so will his approval.

  •  Saruman... er Liberman keeps on falling...! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Bhishma

    A lesson in aligning with the Shadows of Bu$hitCo and what it brings.  Even if he should win, he will be poison, a disgrace!!

    Perhaps Joey "Saruman" Lieberman should go and wander the Iraqi shire....

  •  Sharpton and Jackson are Campaigning for Lamont (2+ / 0-)
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    Radiowalla, bincbom
    He's doomed.
  •  'But on August 9th (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    bincbom

    he will be able to capture the spotlight by filing his petitions for his independent run."

    And on August 10th he could capture the spotlight by bludgeoning an quadraplegic Iraqi veteran with a crowbar.  Grabbing the spotlight isn't always a wonderful thing.

    Pumped and ready for "the rough and tumble competition of the memetic marketplace."

    by sagra on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 02:37:14 PM PDT

  •  Shaking up his staff after a losing season (1+ / 0-)
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    gogol

    The Detroit "Lions" do that year after year after year. And you know what? They keep losing.

    "Anybody who says you can't herd cats never tried a can opener."--Jim Hightower

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 02:39:26 PM PDT

  •  Indie Joe, Media Darling. (0+ / 0-)

    You thought Joe loved being pet by MSM talking heads before.  But wait until EVERYBODY asks for his opinoin on why the Dem Party just SUCKS SO BAD he had to leave it.

    Oh, how Sean will commisserate.  

    How all the republican sympathizers will bemoan the fact that the democratic party isn't big enough to include, well, people who are running against the democratic party and asking people NOT to vote for democrats.

    And to think, I've been wasting time beating up on Green Party symps.  

  •  Lieberman Likely Withdraws Before Weekend (1+ / 0-)
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    Ron Thompson

    Lieberman will likely withdraw from the Democratic primary before the weekend to concentrate on his independent bid.  He cannot risk losing big in the primary, so he'll officially announce that he is withdrawing.  That alone will suck much of the oxygen out of the results of the primary, enabling him to ground his general election race much better.  

    Since making such an announcement on Friday is a waste, I suspect his campaign will release it Thursday afternoon.  That will guarantee Joementum gets coverage in the Friday evening news specials and political magazines and then on the Sunday morning news programs.  He can even spin it that he was getting savaged so badly by those big, bad liberal bloggers that he decided to take his message directly to the Connecticut voters.  With such an announcement he can even go back on Faux News on Sunday morning, something he has been avoiding for the last four months.  What else is a weasel to do?  

    "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

    by PrahaPartizan on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 02:57:24 PM PDT

  •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

    "pungent veterans?"

    i'm an agnostic, i'd be an atheist if it weren't for mozart

    by rasbobbo on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 03:00:38 PM PDT

  •  Why can't he . . . (0+ / 0-)

    just retire gracefully?  He had his moments in the sun; hell, he was a VP candidate in the Democratic party!  Someone should talk sense to him and point out that he does not want his legacy, for a lifetime as a Democrat, to be the new Zell Miller.  Joe needs to spend a long night alone with his soul and see where it is headed.  I don't want to believe that he really has so sold himself to the "darkside" of pride and arrogance.  But with each passing day, I fear it is true.

    When a whole nation is roaring Patriotism at the top of its voice, I am fain to explore the cleanness of its hands and the purity of its heart. - Emerson

    by foolrex on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 03:23:30 PM PDT

  •  You Better Believe It!!! (0+ / 0-)

    The Senate and House party committees tolerate Lieberman's independent bid at their own peril.

    Have they any idea how many of us our watching?

    NOVEMBER IS COMING!

    Never confuse kindness and patience with stupidity and weakness!!

    by Joes Steven on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 03:48:18 PM PDT

  •  He'll do a Zell and defect even (0+ / 0-)

    if he is re-elected as a Democrat.

  •  If I may ask a dumb question (0+ / 0-)

    I haven't followed the Lieberman/Lamont race.  But what's this about Lieberman "harming the Democratic party?" Is the consensus that he'll actually split the Dem vote? Because my profoundly-layman's analysis has been that he'll appeal primarily, as an independent, to bitter conservatives among whom the GOP is polling badly.  "Want to rub the Republicans' nose in it without selling your soul by voting Democrat? Joe's your man!" That kind of thing.

    "Mortal thunder/from the skies/killin' everything they say they're fightin' for" -- Kris Kristofferson, In the News

    by Junior Bug on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 04:36:10 PM PDT

  •  I think Joe hates us. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Bhishma

    Today, Joe Lieberman was again shown blaming his problems on bloggers.  Let's see.  Bloggers are irrelevant, but bloggers are responsible for his problems.  That's about as bad as accusing Lamont of being a Republican and a leftist.  Which is it?  And Joe doesn't like being called a weasel.  Well, what would you call it when Lieberman tries to weasel out of abiding by the results of the Democratic primary while still insisting that he's a solid Democrat?

  •  We needed Tough Joe in 2000 (0+ / 0-)
    Where the hell was this steely resolve and tenacious fighting spirit when we needed it in 2000?
    Somebody compared his treatment of Lamont in the debate with his ass kissing of Cheney in 2000.  If he had been this aggressive then, he'd be VP right now.
  •  Politics ain't beanbag (0+ / 0-)

    ...but where the hell is this killer go-for-the-throat instinct when our guys are running against Republicans?

  •  Irony: Lieberman vs. Nader (0+ / 0-)

    Wouldn't it be ironic if Lieberman's independent bid costs Lamont the Senate and Democrats control of the Senate just like Nader's independent/green bid for President cost Gore-Lieberman the Presidency in 2000?

    Work for justice, peace will follow.

    by jefff on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 07:32:11 PM PDT

  •  If Lieberman loses (0+ / 0-)

    he'd better just get the fuck out.  I don't want everyone to still be talking about this Connecticut shit come November.  We've got bigger fish to fry, like Santorum and Burns.

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