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So, this meaningless JonBenet story breaks, and suddenly all the news shows and channels cover it 24/7.

and just when there's building momentum in the mainstream to look further into the London Terror 'threat' and whether or not it's legit

Timing is everything, as Olbermann pointed out yesterday.....

Would you put it past them (whoever them is)? I really don't know what to believe anymore - one thing is for very sure, the news media is silly putty these days. Edited to add: My point seems to be misunderstood, so I changes the title - the point is why is this getting so much attention - can't be for ratings - WHO CARES

Originally posted to sweetmags on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 06:53 PM PDT.


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      •  It's a...< gasp >... (11+ / 0-)


        Give me a fucking break!

        Hasn't this family been through enough? The lesson from this is to LEAVE THEM ALONE! And that includes drawing them into your lame-ass conspiracy theory.

        Here's my mea culpa: I normally don't get drawn into media feeding frenzies--my innate skepticism usually kicks in fairly quickly. But somehow I got peripherally sucked into the Ramsey story. I didn't really follow it, but the early mishandling of the case by the local police, amplified by the media sharks, got me a little. I was inclined (like a lot of people) to suspect the parents in some way. I mean, all that little girl beauty pageant stuff was sooooo icky!

        But now, after Patsy Ramsey's unfortunate death from cancer, they have arrested a suspect. Today, John Ramsey and his attorney handled themselves with great dignity and composure. I feel terrible for letting myself get sucked in, even a little, ten years ago. This family has been through hell several times over.

        Do I even need to tell the diarist where to stick this conspiracy theory? Anybody...anybody...Bueller?!!!

        •  not the point (0+ / 0-)

          it's a story - but not one of major importance

          the news media is blowing this WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY out of proportion

          the question is why - and I don't believe the concept that it's for ratings


          •  Yah, it's for ratings (1+ / 0-)
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            That's all our useless media cares about these days. They'll always drop everything to cover a story about a dead or missing white girl, because they know that it'll get them eyeballs.

            No conspiracy theory is necessary. I feel bad for this family, and hope the media frenzy is a short one this time.

          •  MMW news cycle strikes again? (1+ / 0-)
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            ... when's the last time a girl of color (or a boy of any race, and god help the poor) garnered this type of extended attention?  that's right, never.

            i don't know what to believe, either.  the guy is apparently asshole number one for being a second grade teacher (at one time), and a possible pedophile.  but i don't know.

            what is it about thailand and pedophiles?

          •  I care because, (7+ / 0-)

            I so want this guy they arrested to be guilty, I want that to be his DNA, and my reason is when this happened 10 years ago, the media convicted the Ramsey's without a trial, or seeing any real evidence. I am sick to death of our corporate media being a judge and jury for any act that happens. They call in legal pundits,and the O'reillys who think they know what happened. I want to see the media screwed, and the only way that will happen is if this guy is guilty. In America, you are innocent until proven otherwise, the media needs to learn a lesson.

        •  Know what you mean (1+ / 0-)
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          I feel terrible for letting myself get sucked in, even a little, ten years ago.

          True, it's awful, but it's something that needs to be taken very seriously. A calm and dispassionate retelling of the story of the crime and the so-called investigations would be enough to make one sick. Says terrible things about all levels of law enforcement agencies and the media. So much "incompetence" that it's hard to believe it could be incompetence alone. Very grim.

          When I heard about this, I just heard the headline -- no details. My first reaction was scepticism, but I saw in the stories that there's some serious DNA evidence, so if the DNA stuff isn't bogus or BS, then my guess is, as others have said, it's 'cuz he was arrested yesterday. (Oh, also, the Benet's reported this guy as a suspect shortly after the murder.)

          But if the guy had been some obvious patsy, then I would be as suspicious of the arrest as the diarist is. Still, I'm not sure what was supposed to be pushed out of the news.

    •  Arrested in THAILAND... (7+ / 0-)

      ... where there are LOTS OF MONKEYS.

      Next door to Thailand are the former countries of French Indochina. Where the colonial language was, yes, French!

      You still with me?

      And monkey in French is... "singe." Yep. "Singe."

      (Well, also, "macaque," but nobody's ever heard of that word.)

      "One does not discover new lands without consenting to leave sight of the shore for a very long time." -Andre Gide

      by pat208 on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 06:56:22 PM PDT

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    •  Shakespearean Tragedy (0+ / 0-)

      That's what Nancy Grace's substitute called it tonight. That's going a little far.

  •  yikes.... (2+ / 0-)
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    homogenius, Bouwerie Boy

    Sometimes a meaningless story is just a meaningless story and the networks looooove meaningless stories, especially if they involve blonde females.

    •  Well, you make a point, but ... (1+ / 0-)
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      don't even blonde females who are slaughtered in their homes deserve to have their killers captured? If the media had not taken an interest in this case, the Ramseys may well have been railroaded and this killer - who probably went to Thailand to pick up and slaughter other little girls - would still be free.

      •  The Key Point (3+ / 0-)
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        moiv, Bulldawg, vox humana

        In fact, these crimes are not given the systematic analysis in the media that they deserve, given their prevalence.  Sure, this case gets outsized attention, but violence against women and girls is epidemic and not an aberration.

        •  I agree, completely (2+ / 0-)
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          Athena, vox humana

          and in a bizarre sense (as is often the case) the outsized nature of this case makes people aware of the very fact you make.  In this ironic way, the media coverage only makes us aware of how little attention is given other cases. Without such outsized coverage we would just happily consume whatever the media dishes out - with it we can demand much more of them.

        •  Yup, that's right. (0+ / 0-)

          Wish I could give you more "4"s .

          "And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers." Ezkiel 25:17

          by Bulldawg on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 08:03:53 PM PDT

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  •  Step away from the tinfoil! n/t (9+ / 0-)

    "And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers." Ezkiel 25:17

    by Bulldawg on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 06:50:29 PM PDT

  •  It Actually Fucked Up... (3+ / 0-)

    ... what Rove hoped would be a very beneficial photo op, putting Toy George on a Harley sporting some oh-so-cool sunglasses today.

    As it worked out, one was lucky to catch a glimpse their little show, although I'm hoping The Daily Show took notice.

    95% of humanity doesn't live in the U.S. Frankly, I have to side with them, when sides are taken.

    by Irfo on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 06:53:36 PM PDT

    •  Ooooooh... (4+ / 0-)
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      Irfo, cosette, Steve Singiser, va dare

      (I don't know quite how to spell how Jon Stewart would say that.)

      Somehow, I suspect they will find it. Oh yeah. W on a Harley. I remember when Cheney shot the 70-year-old the face...the Vice President of the United States...shot the face...a 70-year-old man...shot in the Vice President Dick Cheney, Stewart looked up toward heaven and mouthed, "Thank you, Jesus".

      Good times.

      •  Shot A Man In The Face (3+ / 0-)

        Yeah, I remember the media coverage had been kind of unfocused right after our Vice President, Dick Cheney, shot a man in the face... what with talk of "the pellets struck Whittington on the right side, in the shoulder, neck and face" and all... until the Daily Show firmly set the meme.

        The next day, everybody felt free to say "shot a man in the face."  

        I kinda like how that works...

        95% of humanity doesn't live in the U.S. Frankly, I have to side with them, when sides are taken.

        by Irfo on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 07:13:29 PM PDT

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  •  this diary may seem nutty (3+ / 0-)

    but I just don't know what to believe anymore

    do people really want to watch hour long news programs on CNN and MSNBC dedicated to JonBenet?

    as opposed to consideration of the possibility that the London Terror threat was at the very least, exaggerated, if not timed for best effect?

    •  So you really think... (5+ / 0-)

      That the D.A. in Colorado, who has taken this cluster-fuck of an initial investigation and run it (by all accounts) credibly and professionally, timed this--arresting a suspect IN THAILAND--on Karl Rove's timetable?

      My, you look so good in tinfoil. So slimming.

    •  Yes, sensational speculation sells. (2+ / 0-)
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      Bouwerie Boy, rgdurst

      Not everything is Bushco diversion.

      The thing is though, the guy's ex-wife said he was with her in Alabama on Christmas 96.

      His ex-wife also says her husband did a lot of research on the JonBenet Ramsey case and also on Petaluma's own Polly Klaas.

      Laura Karr also tells us she's devastated and embarrassed by these murder charges, but she does not believe that her husband did it. She says that during Christmas season of 1996 when JonBenet Ramsey was strangled and beaten to death in Colorado, they were living in Alabama at the time and she was with him the entire Christmas season.



      Who knew? Chamonix. But did he tell us? NO!

      by 2lucky on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 07:06:44 PM PDT

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      •  Cable media speculating pretty wildly (0+ / 0-)

        AP now reporting that suspect wasn't in a Thailand jail on a sex charge, Thai police picked him up when the Boulder DA charged him the Ramsey murder.

        U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the 42-year-old American was being held in Bangkok on unrelated sex charges.

        But Suwat, who heads the country's immigration police, said he was unaware of any criminal charges facing the suspect in Thailand.

        "When we informed him that he has been accused of committing a crime at home he denied all accusations," said another senior police officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak with reporters.

        It would nice to see what sort of evidence the DA has because as usual, the first reports contain lots of inaccuracies, etc.  

        Who knew? Chamonix. But did he tell us? NO!

        by 2lucky on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 07:54:18 PM PDT

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      •  Hmmmmmmmmm..... n/t (0+ / 0-)

        "And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers." Ezkiel 25:17

        by Bulldawg on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 08:11:09 PM PDT

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  •  do I suspect that meaningless stories are hyped? (1+ / 0-)
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    just passing through

    to surpress discussion of other matters of much importance?

    who cares about Lacey Peterson? did that really not only deserve so much attention, but help in ratings?

    if you think the US news media is doing an honest, good job, and has no ulterior motives whatsoever, I suggest you look again

  •  get more viewers? (1+ / 0-)
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    just passing through

    these idiotic meaningless stories can't possibly help ratings

    god forbid one of the news channels or outlets tries actually covering real news for once

    not fabrication like this

    face it - this is complete and utter fabrication, so far as the relative import of this story

    tell me more people watch this than real news

    I don't think so

    •  if you believe yourself, you are the idiot (3+ / 0-)
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      ortsed, SoCalLiberal, rgdurst

      "these idiotic meaningless stories can't possibly help ratings"

      are you kidding?

      •  I'd like to see a Poll taken (0+ / 0-)

        and find one person who could give two shits about this story

        •  unfortunately (1+ / 0-)
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          just passing through

          these stories are big for news outlets.  Sensationalism sells big time, sex sells.  Cheap and tawdry sells.  Its easy for audiences to get outraged over this debased crap.  Doesn't require any thinking.  And when a pretty white girl is the victim, even better.  And it doesn't require the audience to actually, you know, think.  Its basic, not complicated.  That's the world we live in.  And it sucks.

          Go to the grocery store, look at the magazines in the checkout line.  Cheap and tawdry.  Tabloids.  People.  

          Gossip is big money.

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          by Jerry 101 on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 07:24:36 PM PDT

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          •  I'd love to see the ratings tomorrow on this one (0+ / 0-)

            sex sells - but this story is one big huge turnoff

            well, that's my view, anyway

            •  We're not typical TV viewers, I'm afraid. (0+ / 0-)

              I think it's tripe. YOU think it's tripe. The majority of people who watch TV think this kind of thing is just riveting. It's some tragic combination of a longstanding human fascination with true crime stories, the recent reality-TV craze, and the new American culture of fear. Millions of people are interested in news stories about murdered blond girls. The networks are totally chasing the almighty dollar here, and they're going to catch it.

            •  They will be huge. (0+ / 0-)

              At least for news programs.  

          •  And... (0+ / 0-)

            The occurances are no less tragic fofr the victims and their families.

            "And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers." Ezkiel 25:17

            by Bulldawg on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 08:13:03 PM PDT

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          •  Fear sells (0+ / 0-)

            Sex sells, but so does fear.  When an upper-middle-class white girl goes missing, viewers tune in, because it could! happen! to! them!  The news media push fear, because it gets people's attention.

        •  Lots (0+ / 0-)

          On another internet site I visit there are already about 20 heartfelt posts about how the family can have closure now.  Granted, they're all women, but they're watching and reading avidly about it tonight.

        •  I DO. (1+ / 0-)
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          But only because I know what it's like to be molested. IF this is the guy, I hope they kill him slowly. I will withhold judgment until after a trial--but his being caught in Thailand, a country which really does little to discourage the pedophile sex trade, is a bit telling. SO is his being a 2nd grade teacher--pedoiphiles often work or volunteer in positions of trust which get them close to children.

          On the other hand, this story should go away until he trial. I wish we had the British system where they don't even announce the perp's name until he's been charged--and after that,t here is a blanket silence until trial. That, alogn with the Scottish verdict of "Not Porven" (whcih means thejury thinsk he did it, but the evidence doesn'tmeet the burden of proof) woudl imporve our system of juris prudence  immensely. Too mych pre-trial publicity  taints the jury pool and makes a fair trial difficult (on the other hand,t he original meanign of "a jury of one's peers" meant hat you were tried by peopel who knew and had a good idea of whether youwere capable of such a criome).

          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 08:07:06 PM PDT

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          •  I thought JonBenet wasn't molested. (0+ / 0-)

            Wasn't that the big "media frame-up" narrative, that the tabloids and everyone trumped up "DNA evidence" as if it were semen and implied the girl's father had been molesting her, but it turned out the DNA they were investigating was some hair or something the girl had pulled out and it wasn't the father's?

            It truly is a horrible story--the murder of a child is bad enough, but I just can't imagine what it would be like to have to see tabloids saying that you molested and killed your own daughter when you know you did neither one. I just can't stand all the media circus around these cases. I really don't believe that it raises consciousness or helps prevent these crimes at all. All it does it 'entertain' bored people in some way, and I don't think that's very respectful of the dead. :-(

            •  She wasn't. (0+ / 0-)

              That we know of (they may have withheld that detail).  But  what I am talking about here is that the media going after pedophiles on the Net (more ephebophiles who target young teens, rather thanpedohiles) isn't a bad thing. For too long it wasn't talked about and children suffered ins silence, afraid they wouldn't be believed if they told Mommy that her boyfriend Uncle Frank has been raping them when he babysits, or that their soccer coach is a creep.

              The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

              by irishwitch on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 08:52:40 PM PDT

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        •  I notice the National Enquirer (0+ / 0-)
          is still doing business.
      •  Yeah (0+ / 0-)

        I'm not in the entertainment biz either but I would have to think that these stories draw great interest and great ratings.  This is why there are so many human interest stories and so little in depth reporting about real issues that affect most of the population.  I'll admit it, even I am watching Nancy Grace right now (it's being hosted by someone other than her which makes the show much more tolerable).  

  •  Shark attacks will be next (1+ / 0-)
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    howth of murph

    Just wait and see.

  •  Snakes on a motherf**ing PLANE motherf***ers (0+ / 0-)

    Dressed like little blonde cowgirls and some sharks and a new baby for Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt.

    the blue sea seethes with reason

    by howth of murph on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 07:23:26 PM PDT

  •  `Howdy, Brer Rabbit (0+ / 0-)

    you look sorter stuck dis mawnin,' sezee, en den he rolled on de groun', en laft en laft twel he couldn't laff no mo.

  •  Not a conspiracy... (0+ / 0-)

    Just the utter inananity, incompetence and contempt for its audience of the ratings-driven commercial media.

    Karl Rove doesn't have to tell them to run with this shit; they already know millions of morons will eat it up.

    Shame on Keith Olbermann, devoting more than 2/3 of his show tonight to this kind of pornography.

    "Yes, President Bush broke into my house, stole my money, raped my wife, murdered my children and ate my pets ... but 9/11 changed everything!"

    by somenyguy on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 07:28:32 PM PDT

  •  Missing white girl = good distraction (1+ / 0-)
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    From the shit hitting the fan caused by the Republicans.

  •  I don't think every distraction is a conspiracy (2+ / 0-)
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    Cake or Death, GarySeven

    I occassionally have this sick obsession with true crime stories and serial killers.  Usually I start looking up this stuff when I have nothing to do.  When I looked at the JonBenet Ramsey case, I felt that the parents were not guilty of murdering her.  The evidence wasn't there.  I think that the Ramseys were convicted in the eyes of the public and the media.  Perhaps the media focuses too much on these stories and I definately feel that they don't cover these types of crimes committed against minorities as much as they do whites.  However, I don't think this is part of some conspiracy designed to help Bush and the Republicans.  And sometimes the media circus frenzies benefit Democrats.  For example, during his Special Election, Arnold had this big announcement/campaign kickoff that was supposed to help his initiatives.  However, the Michael Jackson verdict interupted it.  

  •  This is FAR more serious than you folks think (5+ / 0-)

    I'm sorry to disagree with some of you, and this isn't a snark. This story is actually extremely significant, considering the police state our country has become.

    Back in the innocent days 10 years ago when this horrible crime happened, the police in Colorado investigating this crime found themselves in over their head - as would most police forces in most of the cities in which we live.  Instead of calling in state experts, or even the FBI, for assistance initially, these Keystone Kops decided to turn to the Big Book of Crime Investigation for guidance. Since most crimes involving children are perpetrated by adults, these Inspector Cleuseaus decided on-the-spot that someone in the family, possibly the parents, were guilty. And. Nothing. Would. Shake. This. Belief.

    Thus, the Ramseys were subjected to a nightmare - the exact same nightmare that ANY of us could be if something horrible like this happened in the small towns in which we live.  With the current state of training for most law enforcement - officers now on the front line in the "war on terror" - once they make up their mind about a suspect they will not pursue other clues. And there were plenty of other clues in this case to be pursued. None were followed because none fit the scenario that the police had convinced themselves was true.

    Our police departments in this country are a complete joke; overly bureaucratic, run by wooden-headed, donut-chomping Wiggums without a single idea how to run an investigation, preserve clues, etc. These are the kind of people who could learn a lot from watching C.S.I, but instead spend their off-hours watching rasslin.'

    Whenever I hear about someone accused of a crime in this country, someone who protests his innocence, I wonder just what this person is guilty of - is he guilty as charged, or only guilty of being the only person the police imagine could commit the crime?

    •  Father and Brother (1+ / 0-)
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      vox humana

      In Australia it was said and insinuated that it was either the brother or the Father - big time went into how they "made her" do the singing and dressing up as an adult -

      Probably a year later a show came out with a more truthful take on evidence that the media blitz didnt take - a vagabond thought to be in the area etc etc - for the first time still insinuating that it may have been the father or brother - but starting to look at outside...

      Hopefully the family will start to feel peace - sad that the mother wasn't there to find out. Tragedy all round in paedophilia cases.

  •  Americans are obsessed with pedophile stuff (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't know what it is in the national psyche, but it seems that people are obsessed, or get some sort of vicarious car-accident rubbernecking thrill, over any story with the putrid whiff of pedophilia.

    1. MySpace is raping our children! How many times have we seen that story in the last few months?
    1. "To Catch a Predator" on Dateline NBC. This endless series of newsmagazine specials has been a cash cow for the network. Just go on the computer, try to lure some pervert into coming over, and then play "Candid Camera." Instant ratings!
    1. And JonBenet, the Princess Diana and Jackie Kennedy of all Missing White Women. I think the case would've gotten a lot of attention, but I think the combination of the unique fwah-fwah name and the many video clips of her made up like a Vegas hooker are what really sent her into the crime-celeb stratosphere.

    Pedophilia is vile. But it's hard not to notice the contradiction between how disgusted much of the country purports to be with it versus how much they like to read and watch stories that include it.

    •  Pedophilia is a REAL issue (5+ / 0-)
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      Athena, moiv, nancelot, Bulldawg, shiobhan

      and it also is a story with "legs" that has everything: children, perversion (the real kind, not kinky sex between consenting adults), danger and irate parents.

      I was a rape crisis counselor. The issue doesn't become real until you hold a sobbing 10 or 12 year old who is crying because the neighbor or the coach or the uncle or (my worst case) the father has raped them.  The nicest victimw as raped whenever Momw ent out and Dad was home--and Mom knew and didn't do anything about it.  Alcoholism played a role and she was  German woman with no job skills who was afraid of losing her meal (and booze) ticket.  A neighbor finally reported it.

      JonBenet got a lot of publicity. Dateline does a good thing when it catches these sickoes (and many reoffend--much higher recidivism rate than for other crimes).

      They sensationalize it--but for years NO ONE talked about it at all. Incest victims were assumed to be lying, and being raped was somehow the victim's fault.

      If this guy is guilty, I am glad they caught him. Now I'd like to see the SAME diligence applied to cases of poor black and Hispanic children .

      I had the 12 year rold next door (he was a very BIG kid and hitpuberty younger than ordianry) try to molest me when I was 8. FOrtuantely my alrge rib cage, inherited from Dad's Russian maternal side of the family, enabled me to scream loud enough than a soprano playign Brunhilde in Gotterdammerung would have approved--and oen of the parents (I was playign cowboys and Indians and got "captured" which emant being confined to a treehoisue with a rope around my neck  and hands that tighened thenosoe if I fought--I think he was a good candidate for the Navy or Eagle Scout judging by his knot tying ability--with the litile rapist in the making) demanded I be let go, to shut me up.  It ws eyars before I told anyoenabout it, because soemhow I felt it was my fault.

      Shedding light on pedophilia is a DAMNED good idea, and we need to keep up the pressure.

      Wa JobBenet's death sensationalized? Damend straight,a nd ther was way too much coverage. But the AMber aLert syustem hgas caught some bastards and saved some lives.  We need to  keep pedophilia out of the closet and in the spoltlight.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 08:01:27 PM PDT

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      •  Too Much Indifference (3+ / 0-)
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        I was also a rape crisis counselor, and this subject is easily dismissed by those who have neither been assaulted or worked with victims; unfortunately, there are a lot of people here who post cruel and casual comments in a diary like this.

        •  becasue theya re tired of senastionals tories (2+ / 0-)
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          Athena, vox humana

          more than alck of caring, I suspect.  But untilt he pressure began from sensational stories--nothing got done,a nd peopel looked the other way and pretended the Dirty Little Secret didn't exist, because it was toohorrible to linger on.

          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 08:43:44 PM PDT

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        •  Please tell me what was cruel or casual... (0+ / 0-)

 what I wrote. I'm genuinely curious, because I don't think we're coming from different pages here.

          In this case, I think JBR was victimized by the initial assault and murder. And then she was victimized again by a media and public that wanted to see sexualized images of a child played out on their TV sets night after night, or endless newsmagazine specials about Internet predators.

          •  It's not you per se--but the attiutde of some (0+ / 0-)

            that pedophilia has been overdone and overcovered--which you implied in your comments on Dateline. Yes, it has been sensationalized.  Yes. the JBR case was appallingly ahndled and the family went through hell  (though the police WERE not wrong in looking closely t the family because most murders are committed by those closest to the victim, since they are most likely to have motive and opportunity--and incest IS all too common).

            Myself, I'd like to see less coverage and less sensationalism of cases--but more attention paid to issues liek epdophilia and incest and domestic violence.  

            I reacted to those who were saying that we need less coverage of dead pretty white girls--actually I think we need MORE coverage missing minority children, not less coverage of a white victim.  Yes, most abductions re done by non-custodial parents, and yes, most missing kids are runaways--but there are pedophiles and sex killers out there who prey on the innocent. You can never cover that too much, and it can be doen without sensationalism.  SO I think you are wrong about Dateline's coverage of going after Internet predators. It's a real danger.

            I had a brush with it. My idiotic niece when she was 12, wanted to play with out computer, and went into a chat room for 14+ and up--I only learned that later.  People starting IMing her as soon as they found out she was a dancer.  And shortly after she got off, I started getting disgusting teenage porn--with names of sites like "Horny Thai Teen Sluts" and :Nasty Teen nymphos".  Complained to the server, and ti finally stopped after several days.  SO I know there are those out there who target young teens and kids. And she was too naive,a t 12, to realize that.  If I hadn't  been keeping an eye on it, it could have been a lot worse.

            The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

            by irishwitch on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 04:51:27 PM PDT

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    •  Excuse me, but Pedophilia is much more common (2+ / 0-)
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      than you are giving it credit.  Who doesn't know someone that was molested or raped?

      It is a big deal.  It sounds like the man under arrest has a history of being a child sexual predator.  How many lives has he ruined?  Are there other murder victims out there? There are thousand and thousands like him.  And many of them are hiding in Bangkok, Phuket and other parts of SE Asia.  This issue needs to be brought to the forefront.  It's a plague.

      I, for one, am ecstatic that he is behind bars.

      •  Who said it wasn't a big deal? (1+ / 0-)
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        Certainly not me. Good Lord. Please read what I said.

        What I said was

        Pedophilia is vile. But it's hard not to notice the contradiction between how disgusted much of the country purports to be with it versus how much they like to read and watch stories that include it.

        It's a crime that involves coercion and violence, but also sex. And there's something in this culture that can't approach anything involving sex with purpose and seriousness, but prefers instead to rubberneck and gawk.

        Tightening laws and "shedding light," such as irishwitch said, are both good things. But I'm not quite sure what hours of broadcasting images of a 5-year-old dressed as an adult whore is supposed to accomplish, even if the likes of Nancy Grace and Bill O'Reilly are tut-tutting over them.

    •  Real Victims Exist (3+ / 0-)
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      And the obvious contempt for victims is also part of the problem.  JonBenet gets too much attention, but she was no less a victim in spite of that.  The sarcasm is completely inappropriate.

  •  The death of a child is never meaningless. (2+ / 0-)
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    Please, can we all for a second avoid the speculation on the media's motivations in covering this story and ponder the people involved?

    There is much to be learned here about human nature, a mob mentality, imperfect justice, and the wear and tear that come over the human body when subjected to such stress and grief.

    I am sorry some lives get more media coverage than others, but I am more sorry to see some toss aside the victims of this excessive coverage as if they were somehow responsible for what happened after their deaths.  This girl did not ask for this coverage. Her kidnapping, rape and murder were NOT meaningless. She was not meaningless. This story, then, is not either.

    I feel considerable unease when I see mocking comments about "missing white girls" on threads.  Is it that she is missing, white or a girl that is a problem? Excessive coverage? Rant away. The victim, or her family trying to use the media's obsession to find their child? I think those are important.

    I cannot imagine any parent who does not feel some unease, some sense of gut sympathy, when confronted with such horrific stories.  They have value, and they can be cathartic. My first reaction is to wonder how someone could not care about such a story!

    24/7 coverage? No. But, please, let's be careful that we not dismiss wholesale the serious and troubling issues these stories bring up.

    The law is slacked and judgment doth never go forth: the wicked compass about the righteous and wrong judgment proceedeth - Habakkuk 1:4

    by vox humana on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 08:45:33 PM PDT

  •  This story... (0+ / 0-)

    grips me more than would a muddy old river or reclining Buddha.

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