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Rarely do you see a major paper with a political cartoon that truly blasts, in the face, the establishment with a call for their ouster ... well, today Tom Toles provided one of those exceptions in a truly powerful cartoon.

Not incredibly graphic ... but the words are strong ... In short, making a case for it, Toles has called for the ouster of all Republicans from federal elective office. Speaking on behalf of "your planet", Toles' "public service announcement" states that Global Warming

alone is reason enough to vote against every single Republican running for National office in November.

This is an important political cartoon that all Americans should see, especially on days with record temperatures or on the anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.

From Toles' cartoon...

Global Warming is now a crisis facing all of us.

Well, unless you are gullible to Astroturf falseness and Oil Company propaganda, this is simply fact ... and a basis for us all to seek our ways to help improve the nation from the individual level through Sustainable Energy Action to ways to change the nation as a whole through, for example, working to Energize America.

So, 90+% of Americans have agreement ... now to the killer point ...

The Republicans in power have made it perfectly clear that they have no intention of doing anything meaningful about it in the next two years.  Two years we don't have.

Oh, the money quote.  This is so true. This is why Jerry McNerney, for example, is so critical a part of the Net Roots (DKos August Push) campaign to change the Congress. But, sadly, far too Americans don't associate Global Warming and American failures with the false prophets of the "Conservative" movement and its devotees, the 21st Century Republican Party.

And, too much, it is the media that is complicit in allowing the direct linkage between the Republican Party and the dire straits of the world to remain murky.  In the same Washington Post, just a few weeks ago, there was an editorial that attacked Congress for attacking Global Warming science ... And, what was truly notable was how Post failed to name names re Republicans and Global Warming Denial.  

Well, Toles doesn't worry about naming individuals, he legitimately indicts the entire Republican leadership.  

And, speaking through the voice of "A public service announcement from your planet," Tom Toles joins all those in the reality-based community in understanding that -- despite all the other disasters (and there are many) --

This alone is reason enough to vote against every single Republican running for National office in November.

Check out Toles' Cartoon and maybe you will join me in
sending Toles cartoon to friends ... family ... everyone ...

Originally posted to besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 07:12 AM PDT.

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  •  Political Cartoonists ... (114+ / 0-)

    Can often be heroes ... stating truth so eloquently and forcefully.  This Toles cartoon is not oblique, in any way, but a well-deserved blast directly at the Republicans.  With all due respect to my appreciation for Tom Tomorrow, the reach of Toles cartoon and his direct calling out of the Republican Party makes this my favorite cartoon of the month ... at least so far ...

    4 July 2006, Independence Day ... Day 1757, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

    by besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 07:03:41 AM PDT

  •  Consultants making TV ads for our Dem candidates (22+ / 0-)

    should take inspiration from this. Direct plain language explaining to busy adults what's going on and what they can do about it.

  •  I really like Jerry. (8+ / 0-)

    I'm clear on the other side of the country, but I've still sent him money. I consider Earth my home, not any particular state or continent, and we need to put like-minded leaders in charge.

  •  Great Cartoon (14+ / 0-)

    And I too, am part of that special interest group,  Earthlovers.  

    Maybe Toles can turn this into a series:

    New Orleans residents say Vote against every single Republican.

    Our armed forces members say Vote against every single Republican.

    Constitution lovers say Vote against every single Republican.

    etc. etc. etc.

  •  Not enough (5+ / 0-)

    Republicans must be driven from political office at every level of government.

    "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

    by Ivan on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 07:40:00 AM PDT

  •  Jim Inhofe (R-OK) just rolled over in (7+ / 0-)

    the pile of pooh in his pants.  Great 'toon.

    "Who knows but that which seems omitted today, waits for tomorrow?" Kahlil Gibran

    by Bodean on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 07:57:47 AM PDT

  •  along with this important message (6+ / 0-)

    from Planet Earth, don't forget this timely advice from The Wombat

    -8.0, -7.03 don't always believe what you think...

    by claude on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 07:59:20 AM PDT

  •  Check out the Oliphant one as well (8+ / 0-)

    "I just had the basic view of the American public -- it can't be that bad out there." Marine Travis Williams after 11 members of his squad were killed.

    by Steven D on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 08:01:01 AM PDT

  •  Someone should (1+ / 0-)
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    trashablanca

    do a political cartoon with the republicans as Goliath; and the democrats as Davey. We all know who won that battle!

    •  I respectfully disagree (5+ / 0-)

      Wrong metaphor here.  We are the majority (61% against the Republican Iraq Occupation).  

      I was picked on by a group of kids in middle school whose leader was a nasty little piece of work (Rush Limbaugh with pimples).  At the end of 7th Grade I shot up a foot.  Early in 8th Grade this bully decided to do his usual routine on me one day ignoring that he was now 7-8 inches shorter.  He swung first but I wiped him across the room and into the hallway.  From that day forward when one of them tried to snicker behind my back all I had to do was turn and look hard at them.

      Ned Lamont was that day for Kossaks.  Our time is now.

      Those who learn from history will make their own dumb mistakes

      by Freadom on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 09:46:45 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Toles Has Always Had It (5+ / 0-)

    He's the best. I especially appreciate "Just another special interest group."

    This roundup of editorial cartoons from yesterday shows that we're really talking about a zeitgeist. There simply is no cover anymore for these guys.

    I keep asking myself what the Republicans can do to turn things around before November, and their is only one answer: cheat. They've screwed up and lied so much there's nothing left for them to say or do.

  •  A poigancy there that makes me very sad (0+ / 0-)

    Maybe it will have the same effect on other readers.

    •  Doncha think (2+ / 0-)
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      anotherCt Dem, besieged by bush

      The poignancy was quite deliberate? That's how I feel. Do you all recall the first time so many years ago when we first saw that view of Earth from space! Like to knock one's socks off, lumpup the throat too! Then there was a war protest song (I think was written by a Philly gal?!) using that blue and green Earth to evoke our common humanity. Help me out here! Somebody tell me the song!!  Aloha. . .

      •  Aloha (0+ / 0-)

        can't help - memory on permanent hiatus - but the Native American teardrop /Earth one can be added to the list for me

      •  Coven's One Tin Soldier? (1+ / 0-)
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        besieged by bush

        One Tin Soldier (The Legend of Billy Jack)

        Listen, children, to a story
        That was written long ago,
        'Bout a kingdom on a mountain
        And the valley folk below.
        On the mountain was a treasure
        Buried deep beneath the stone,
        And the valley people swore
        They'd have it for their very own.

        Go ahead and hate your neighbor,
        Go ahead and cheat a friend.
        Do it in the name of Heaven,
        You can justify it in the end.
        There won't be any trumpets blowing
        Come the judgement day,
        On the bloody morning after,
        One tin soldier rides away.

        So the people of the valley
        Sent a message up the hill,
        Asking for the buried treasure,
        Tons of gold for which they'd kill.
        Came an answer from the kingdom,
        "With our brothers we will share
        All the secrets of our mountain,
        All the riches buried there."

        Now the valley cried with anger,
        "Mount your horses! Draw your sword!"
        And they killed the mountain people,
        So they won their just reward.
        Now they stood beside the treasure,
        On the mountain, dark and red.
        Turned the stone and looked beneath it,
        "Peace on Earth" was all it said.

        Go ahead and hate your neighbor,
        Go ahead and cheat a friend.
        Do it in the name of Heaven,
        You can justify it in the end.
        There won't be any trumpets blowing
        Come the judgement day,
        On the bloody morning after,
        One tin soldier rides away.

        Go ahead and hate your neighbor,
        Go ahead and cheat a friend.
        Do it in the name of Heaven,
        You can justify it in the end.
        There won't be any trumpets blowing
        Come the judgement day,
        On the bloody morning after,
        One tin soldier rides away.

        Wikipedia has a full list of protest songs.

  •  Yeah. What they said. (0+ / 0-)

    However . . . it bothers me that Bu$hInc seems to go along as if nothing is happening.

    It looks like curtains from almost every angle, yet they blithely plow along from one turd pile to another.

    The congressional GOoPers seem to be quivering & wavering & slobbering.  Yet the White House rethugs look as if they're whistling past the graveyard.  Whatsis?

    Impeach. Convict. Imprison. End this REIGN OF FAILURE.

    by whl on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 08:18:00 AM PDT

  •  Toles & "My Yahoo" (0+ / 0-)

    I've set up my My Yahoo page to include the "latest" Toles cartoon, but I guess there's a lag.

  •  Who carries this cartoon, though? (0+ / 0-)

    I can't say as I've seen this cartoonist in any newspaper I've seen?

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross" - Sinclair Lewis

    by Loboguara on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 08:42:34 AM PDT

  •  Another Toles on global warming (3+ / 0-)

    check this cartoon out. It is the little guy in the corner that really makes the jokes work. "Another special interest" is exactly what the Rebubs think, sad but inconveniently true.

  •  After legendary Herblock retired (3+ / 0-)

    Wapo did a national search for months for a replacement and selected Tom Toles.
    Wapo syndicates him in about 200 papers.

    As we all know, Wapo editorial page has swung to the right in the last several years and Tom Toles cartoons right next to the editorials is the antidote. His cartoons throw away everything the editorialists (most of them like Fred Hiatt)  write and turn them into the dust. His cartoons and the letters to the editor (underneath his cartoons) are quite a balance to the rightwing pap on the edit page.

    Now Toles does online "Toles vs Toles". You get two for the price of one. On some days apparently, he draws two cartoons and selects one for printing.  On wapo website, they publish both cartoons.

    Herblock, the ultimate liberal, is smiling in his grave every morning.        

  •  A question for readers (6+ / 0-)
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    tmo, gmoke, amRadioHed, va dare, dolphin777, ERyd

    of this diary... And I don't expect anyone to answer me directly - just some questions for yourselves.

    • Do you recycle?
    • Do you look for and purchase products that have a high content of recycled materials in the packaging?
    • Do you have regular light bulbs in your house?
    • Do you have gas-operated lawn equipment?
    • Is your vehicle a gas-guzzler?

    Until seeing An Inconvenient Truth, I was doing well on some of these items but not on others.  I always recycled, but I did not go out of my way to ensure I purchased products whose packaging had a high percentage of recycled materials.  I have since started reading the labels on packaging and try to do this whenever I can.

    I definitely drive a gas guzzler, but not for long.  I'm expecting delivery of my hybrid after Labor Day.  I realize not everyone can have/accommodate a hybrid vehicle.  If you can't, you CAN help save the gas you use by ensuring proper vehicle maintenance (including REGULAR tire pressure checks), and by changing your driving habits (don't go hyper fast; don't floor the gas when starting from a stop, etc.)

    I have recently replaced ALL of my standard light bulbs with CFL bulbs.  If you go to The Energy Federation you can order CFL bulbs for a very reasonable price (under $12 for four with free ground shipping).  CFL bulbs save 300lbs. of carbon emissions per household per year!

    You can also adjust your thermostat.  If you're comfortable at the current temperature setting, bump it up by 2 degrees.  In the colder weather, get comfortable then bump it down by 2 degrees.

    Finally, if you have the financial means, you can purchase  an energy offset.  As i understand it, the purchase of these "offsets" buys clean energy, replacing the need for carbon-emission intensive energy sources and spurring economic development of clean energy sources.

    I love the cartoon and how it gets people thinking.  And the good news is that people can do something THEMSELVES right now.  We need a coordinated, worldwide effort - of course - but you, in your house, can do something right away that will have an impact.

    A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within. ~James Durant

    by RenaRF on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 08:58:03 AM PDT

    •  Recycling (1+ / 0-)
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      trashablanca

      Recycling isn't as great a thing as its made out to be. Especially paper, which comes from a renewable resource and recycling it (which is an industrial process) causes pollution.

      Recycling plastic is a waste because the recycled plastic isnt used to make bottles and things like you would think, but is used to make crappy t-shirts and things.

      Recycling aluminum/tin cans is a good thing. So, that's really all I worry about recycling.

      Recycling costs a lot more, requires another smoke belching truck to drive through your neighborhood, requires polluting machinery to do the actual recycling, creates products that are of lesser quality than could be made otherwise (often not even what most people think are being made from them)...and in many cases, some of the things that get recycled just end up going to the dump anyways.

      The answer, sadlyt, isnt recycling so much as buying something reuseable. Or reusing what you've got in some innovative and creative way.

      (PS, all my claims come from the Penn & Teller show Bullshit...it may not seem like a trustworthy show, but they interview the guy who started the recycling movement and people who have researched it extensively.)

      "Murrow had a child. The damn thing went wild." -- Fleetwood Mac
      (-8.63), (-7.03)

      by Perdition on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 09:10:57 AM PDT

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      •  The Three Rs ... (0+ / 0-)

        Reduce ...

        Reuse ...

        Recycle ...

        In that order.  And, for energy, the Three Rs are:

        Reduce

        Renewable

        Remedy (buying carbon credits)

        Again, in that order. (By the way, the linked discussion is extremely good.)

        4 July 2006, Independence Day ... Day 1757, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

        by besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:02:52 AM PDT

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      •  no shit (1+ / 0-)
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        besieged by bush

        I know that milk bottles should be glass and re-used, not plastic; that everything I buy comes with 10 pounds of packaging (often a melange of paper, plastic, and metal that screams waste); that recycling has allowed us to continue to waste at absurd rates while our tax dollars go to buy special trucks that spew diesel fumes throughout the neighborhood as they cart away our cereal boxes.

        It's an absurdity of the highest order.

        Why do you have to be a nonconformist like everybody else? - James Thurber

        by JuliaAnn on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:40:40 AM PDT

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      •  Great info on the recycled issue. (1+ / 0-)
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        besieged by bush

        We have to recycle plastic, glass, paper and metal by law so I've been on that train for a while.  I hate it when I have to buy those absurd packages that are the thick thick plastic that's impossible to break into and then when you DO break into them, they have layers of paper.

        I have taken to using milk containers that are the old paper type.  I can't get glass where I live, even at the Whole Foods!

        A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within. ~James Durant

        by RenaRF on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:57:20 AM PDT

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    •  Responses ... (2+ / 0-)
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      RenaRF, ERyd

      Do you recycle?

      • Massively -- including taking cans out of trash cans in the office since aluminum is one of the highest payback recycling items out there.  Have a compost pile, that includes taking in coffee grounds from office couple times/week.

      Do you look for and purchase products that have a high content of recycled materials in the packaging?

      • Try -- but hard. Actually, seek to reduce overall packaging.  More importantly, when competitive (in range) recycled content product always favored. (For example, there is a great recycled board (sort of like plywood) that I found via Amicus Green that I will be using instead of formica for a reworked laundry room.)

      Do you have regular light bulbs in your house? Regular -- as long as you call CFLs regular ... now switching some to LEDs.
      Do you have gas-operated lawn equipment? No -- eletrical lawnmower and most of rest is hand powered.

      Is your vehicle a gas-guzzler? Not as good as your new hybrid (you get it yet?), but under 7500 miles / year with about 30 mpg.  Doing other things to become energy efficient while waiting for a plug-in hybrid, which I expect in the 2009 product year.

      4 July 2006, Independence Day ... Day 1757, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

      by besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 09:51:06 AM PDT

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      •  I don't have the hybrid YET (1+ / 0-)
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        besieged by bush

        I had to put a deposit on one that's due in around Labor Day.  I didn't go with the Prius - I have a job that requires me to haul around customers and partners and other muckety-mucks and the Prius was just too small - but I went with the Camry hybrid, which will get me 35-40mpg.  I can't do anything about my annual mileage - 18,000 miles roughly (YIKES) and the nature of my job doesn't allow me to use mass transit except in the most unusual of circumstances.  ((sigh))

        Great nod on the recycled board.  Composting is something I should look in to as well.

        A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within. ~James Durant

        by RenaRF on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:55:07 AM PDT

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        •  Check out the link ... (0+ / 0-)

          That store isn't too far from you ... and has some good products (from house cleaning to items for construction).  Also, they are both dedicated to and knowledgeable about green / energy efficiency. If you want to make your home more energy efficient, they are not a bad one-stop shop for advice. [NOTE:  No financial linkage or relationship with them.]

          4 July 2006, Independence Day ... Day 1757, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

          by besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 11:08:14 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, yes, no, no, no. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      RenaRF

      All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to say 'it's a business.' Alan Shore, Boston Legal

      by va dare on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:20:51 AM PDT

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    •  Simple Solar (0+ / 0-)

      I use affordable and available solar electricity every day and you can too.  Go to the link mentioned in my sig file and see exactly what I mean.

      Solar IS Civil Defense

      Don't let anybody tell you that it's pie in the sky and not affordable and available now.  That's a lie.  

      Solar is civil defense. Video of my small scale solar experiments at http://solarray.blogspot.com/2006/03/solar-video.html

      by gmoke on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 01:36:46 PM PDT

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  •  Disagree. (0+ / 0-)

    Iraq is of far more critical importance.  And more effective to utilize as a reason to get rid of them.

    •  No, I disagree (3+ / 0-)
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      Radiowalla, realalaskan, va dare

      I think that in the great sweep of history, Iraq (like Vietnam before) will be an example of the stupidity of war and the failure of the US as a world power, but the global warming crisis may well be a defining moment for humanity, do we have the foresight and will to change our ways or are we slaves to our technology. The answer is crucial and could decide our fate as a species.

    •  Absolutely disagree ... (0+ / 0-)

      Iraq is a major issue and an unbelievable (still) strategic error that is doing great damage to the United States, Iraq, and the world -- along with 100,000s of people directly hurt/killed.

      But, Global Warming is the most serious (and likely) existential threat -- that could literally kill us all -- that is growing every day that passes with our hydrocarbon addiction. If we don't change paths soon, we risk literally not having a human race in a century or so ...

      Just re oil (Peak Oil), check out Die Off which, terrifyingly, is optimistic in some ways. (By the way, after checking Die Off, check out World Changing to get some more positive ways of looking at the world and ways to make it better.)

      4 July 2006, Independence Day ... Day 1757, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

      by besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 09:53:56 AM PDT

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    •  By the way ... (1+ / 0-)
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      va dare

      Nothing in my diary argues against attacking re Iraq as well ... but, Global Warming is an issue area were there is a tremendous paucity of elected Republicans on the right side of the issue (Roscoe Bartlett, founding co-chair of the Peak Oil caucus, R-MD, is nearly the only exception).  

      And, it is rare that a political cartoonist in a major newspaper directly calls for the ouster of one political party from Congress (and the White House) just months before a mid-term.  Can anyone remember one? This gives the forwarding it of that much more import ... this might show up in Newsweek ... 100s of newspapers ... and, via me alone, 100s of inboxes.  Will you join me in sending, even if this is not Iraq focused?

      4 July 2006, Independence Day ... Day 1757, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

      by besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:13:11 AM PDT

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    •  That is the thing of it (1+ / 0-)
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      besieged by bush

      There are LOTS of reasons that are sufficient in and of themselves to warrant voting the Republicans out of office. I present my list in no particular order:

      1. Global Warming
      1. Iraq, going in and blowing it
      1. Afghanistan, failing to finish, leaving Osama alive and well
      1. 9/11. see point 3.
      1. Bungling Katrina
      1. The national deficit
      1. F...ing up the internation consensus with respect to foreign affairs
      1. Not doing a damned thing to retain american preeminence in science and engineering

      You can have your very own list and no matter what your list is, it will lead us both to do the same thing this fall. Vote the bastards out.

      An observer from a blue state hoping to earn my bloody knuckles.

      by Dave from Oregon on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 11:45:58 AM PDT

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  •  Sorry, not that powerful (2+ / 0-)

    I totally agree with the cartoon, but it's just a bunch of words with no real picture.  There's no visceral connection or analogy at all.

    What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite. -- Bertrand Russell

    by RequestedUsername on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 09:02:37 AM PDT

  •  Let me put it this way. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm far more concerned if my son gets blown up by a roadside bomb in Iraq today than whether his great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild may or may not have a more difficult life due to global warming.

    Very poor choice for a "best cartoon."

    •  it's about us not the future (3+ / 0-)
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      Radiowalla, besieged by bush, va dare

      absolutely you are right about now in Iraq..but it's not either/or.

      Global warming is affecting the weather now. Pollution affects health now. What I think most people do not realize is we are already dealing with the effects of global warming. We are dealing with the consequences and it is not some generations in the future, it's now.

      The cost is hidden because it is not the same as some IED, it is incremental but just as deadly. There are 8 billion people on the planet today. Even the best scenarios mean a population decrease due at least in part to global warming. This is a difficult period as the immediacy of Iraq dwarfs the reality of global climate mess. The weather is not normal. It took decades to screw it up and will take decades to repair, IF we decideto do what it takes. If not, well, I'd rather not go there.

      Would you rather stay the course or get back on track? 'tamifah' http://www.just6dollars.org/

      by philinmaine on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 09:38:02 AM PDT

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      •  Even if you are right... (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        besieged by bush

        ...about everything, aside from my prior point, it's just still too controversial and vague to too many people to press as a prime political issue -- at least for this round of elections.

        •  For this round (0+ / 0-)

          I agree. Focus on the war, the lack of planning, the mess we're in, the fact we cannot solve the mess we created (Iraq, Katrina, taxes, etc). Trying to make Iraq a country is not going to happen. Democrats can face reality, Repubs continue to live in fantasy land.

          The environmental issue is one More reason but not the primary reason for this cycle..agreed. But, don't underestimate the power of this issue. Gore's movie and book are doing well and people are beginning to wake up. I work on this issue and we have about 10 years and then it is Katie bar the door.

          Meanwhile, get our sons and daughters home. It's a disaster and we are right in the middle. This administration blew it and they simply do not care.

          Would you rather stay the course or get back on track? 'tamifah' http://www.just6dollars.org/

          by philinmaine on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:02:01 AM PDT

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    •  Agree, to a point (2+ / 0-)
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      besieged by bush, va dare

      I certainly understand your feelings about your son and a roadside bomb, since I feel exactly that way about my only child.  However, if the many things I've read about global heating are correct, it may be your son and his children who are forced to try to live in an increasingly hostile environment, rather than some misty many-generations-in-the-future successor.  That's a major worry to me, too.

      •  I hear ya. (0+ / 0-)

        But there are still too many unanswered questions --at least to many people.

        Iraq, on the other hand, is here and now -- our blown up sons, daughters, brothers and sisters are here now for all to see or hear about...and if nothing else, Iraq is therefore much more viable and immediate as a political issue.

        •  Too many unaswered questions for whom? (0+ / 0-)

          Those who make a living or a profit from fossil fuels, maybe, but other sentient beings have no doubts left.

          All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to say 'it's a business.' Alan Shore, Boston Legal

          by va dare on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:16:59 AM PDT

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          •  There are still many scientists the world over... (0+ / 0-)

            ...who for various reasons have not signed on.

            •  Please ... (1+ / 0-)
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              Are you trying to refer us to crap like the "scientific work" of places like the Marshall Institute? Check out the Astroturf tag ...

              And, no, there are basically no reputable scientists in the world who "have not signed on" ... The debate is over the extent of the implications of Global Warming, what its course will be, whether/how to mitigate it, what percent of Global Warming / Catastrophic Global Change is caused by mankind and so on ... This is a debate within a mass scientific consensus as to the reality (and risk) of Global Climate Change.

              4 July 2006, Independence Day ... Day 1757, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

              by besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:30:06 AM PDT

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            •  That's absolutely not true (2+ / 0-)
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              EVERY climate scientist of any standing in every industrialized country acknowledges global warming. It simply is not a matter of discussion in scientific circles. The Very Few scientists who have not signed on are neither climate experts nor even close to that discipline. In addition they were paid to say 'we don't know' or had political ties to this admin.

              Look, even Bush has acknowledged the existence of global warming. It simply is not a matter of is it or is it not. The question of which models are accurate and what the implications are is also becoming less in doubt. Predictive models from a decade ago are turning out to be quite accurate.

              You really need to do more reading before making statements like a dittohead...Sorry, just sayin

              Would you rather stay the course or get back on track? 'tamifah' http://www.just6dollars.org/

              by philinmaine on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:41:54 AM PDT

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              •  Here's a few... (0+ / 0-)

                http://www.sitewave.net/...

                This is from 2001 and some changes may have occurred.

                •  A list of names (1+ / 0-)
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                  How convincing. Who are these people? What are their reasons for being skeptical? What makes them experts?

                  Here are a few of the names:

                  • Dr. Boris Auksmann: Expert in Failure Analysis and Architectural Design.
                  • Kenneth Avicola: A reasearcher in telescope optics
                  • Dilworth W. Chamberlain: Environmental consultant in LA. At last, someone who may be qualified. But wait, looks like he's on the bankroll for ARCO. Oh well, I'm sure that doesn't mean anything.
                  • Franz Engelmann: Insect physiologist from UCLA. Well insects are part of the environment, so I guess that makes him an environmental reasearcher. Right?

                  Those are literally the first four names I randomly selected and found anything on. Sorry, but that's not quite enough to get me to throw out the expert opinion of the worlds climate reasearchers just yet.

                  We hope your rules and wisdom choke you / Now we are one in everlasting peace -6.63, -6.97

                  by amRadioHed on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 11:22:36 AM PDT

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                  •  Yes... (0+ / 0-)

                    ...on a Google search of the terms "'Anti-global warming' scientists list" that was hit number 2 out of 21,200.  I didn't even look any further.  Maybe a little lazy.

                    I'll be happy to look a little more into it as soon as I get a chance.

              •  Not just climate scientists (12+ / 0-)

                are uncovering data that firmly establish the steep acceleration of global warming.

                Glaciologists, geologists, physical and chemical oceanographers, marine biologists, desert ecologists, microbiologists, ichthyologists, atmospheric scientists, forestry experts, and international and national agencies all are in agreement that the data coming in from many sources and many disciplines around the globe all point to the same conclusion.

                The earth is heating up.  The oceans are heating up.  There are different scenarios about what we might actually experience, but there is little disagreement in the scientific community that we are going to be experiencing big changes.  We will see some of them in our lifetimes.

                I don't see this as an either/or issue.  We are in the Middle East, and our kids are getting blown up there, because of oil.  Fossil fuels are the primary contributor to accelerated global warming. As long as we are dependent upon importing oil and gas we will be sacrificing our children so that we can drive as much as we want wherever we want.  If we are not in Iraq we will send our kids to Venezuela or Nigeria or some other place with oilfields so that they can give their lives there.

                As long as we are getting most or all of our energy from fossil fuels we will be accelerating the emissions of heat-trapping greenhouse gases.  Babies born today are going to suffer seriously from consequences of climatological change by the middle of this century.  Civilization will be seriously threatened.

                The US has no energy plan, and the administration has no interest in the future of our children.

                ...it always turns out that no one is in charge of the things that really matter.--Deborah Eisenberg, Twilight of the Superheroes

                by Plan9 on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 12:23:38 PM PDT

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                •  Thank you for this excellent post ... (2+ / 0-)
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                  Not unusual for you to add some tremendous material to the discussion (but no nuke power?). I especially value the absolutely correct point that is not either / or but is connected:

                  I don't see this as an either/or issue.  We are in the Middle East, and our kids are getting blown up there, because of oil.  Fossil fuels are the primary contributor to accelerated global warming. As long as we are dependent upon importing oil and gas we will be sacrificing our children so that we can drive as much as we want wherever we want.  If we are not in Iraq we will send our kids to Venezuela or Nigeria or some other place with oilfields so that they can give their lives there

                  4 July 2006, Independence Day ... Day 1757, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

                  by besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 12:27:16 PM PDT

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                  •  Save our children... (1+ / 0-)
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                    ...by driving electric cars, and get the electricity from domestic nuclear plants, which can provide large-scale baseload electricity without emitting greenhouse gases.

                    There--just so you don't have to wait for the other shoe to drop, B by B!

                    ...it always turns out that no one is in charge of the things that really matter.--Deborah Eisenberg, Twilight of the Superheroes

                    by Plan9 on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 01:28:06 PM PDT

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                    •  Okay ... thanks again ... (2+ / 0-)

                      I needed the chuckle ...

                      By the way, I am for plug-in hybrids as transition to air pressure and all-electric fleets.  But, I tend to think that nuclear power is only part (maybe 20-25%) of the electrical future, with distributed renewal power quickly becoming the key portion of the world's energy system. (Okay, optimism taking over ... hoping that Nanosolar lives up to its claims ...)

                      4 July 2006, Independence Day ... Day 1757, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

                      by besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 01:34:33 PM PDT

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                      •  We need a whole range of emissions-free (2+ / 0-)
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                        energy resources.

                        And we need to devote plenty of R& D to the problem of storage of energy from intermittent sources like wind and solar.  Right now the US is not really committed--as it was to, say, helping develop computer technology.

                        Coal plants are being built right now that will be making children cough in 2050 and that will continue heating up the earth.  The only large-scale, small- footprint technology that can replace coal right now is nuclear.  

                        As has been amply pointed out on this blog, new designs for plants are extremely safe.  The volume of waste from nuclear power is tiny (as opposed to 40 square miles of PVCs, for example, when those panels have to be decommissioned; 40 sq miles producing the energy equivalent of a single 1000-megawatt nuclear plant taking up 1/3 of a square mile).  Uranium is plentiful and cheap--and it happens to be readily available in countries like Canada, Australia, and the US rather than in places populated by people who want to kill us. Fuel can be made that is useless for turning into atomic bombs.

                        According to an article in the current Scientific American,"The Nuclear Option", 1000 nuclear reactors could reduce greenhouse gases by 1/3.  That's pretty  significant.  If we add in conservation and renewables, that's even a better gift for our descendants.

                        ...it always turns out that no one is in charge of the things that really matter.--Deborah Eisenberg, Twilight of the Superheroes

                        by Plan9 on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 01:46:22 PM PDT

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                        •  Our disagreements are margin ... (0+ / 0-)

                          rather than core ... I believe (as with you) that we can get safe nuclear power plants on a far faster pace today than 40 years ago (e.g., modular construction) and that nuclear is a far better option than anything coal.  

                          Question, perhaps, between us is how much of the answer is nuclear. And, I question the cost effectiveness of nuclear power in the face of other options, especially distributed power options.  

                          But ... but ... but ... we are much in agreement ...

                          4 July 2006, Independence Day ... Day 1757, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

                          by besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 01:48:44 PM PDT

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                          •  I'll take whatever is clean (1+ / 0-)
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                            If distributed power does the job along with renewables, great.  Right now with 75% of our power coming from fossil fuels, we have a very steep hill to climb and need everything that can possibly replace it.

                            I appreciate this diary because we cannot be reminded enough of the importance addressing global warming--of the necessity of taking it personally--and of the need for cooperation from the neighborhood to the international level.

                            As someone has said, we have to save the planet because it is the only one that produces chocolate.

                            BTW wouldn't small nuclear plants like this design be handy in areas where renewables do not work well?

                            ...it always turns out that no one is in charge of the things that really matter.--Deborah Eisenberg, Twilight of the Superheroes

                            by Plan9 on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 02:24:11 PM PDT

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                          •  Galena is an interesting project ... (0+ / 0-)

                            That I've been watching for awhile.  What is weird is that it actually is a pretty good site for serious renewable energy (wind combined with hydrogen production / fly wheel / other storage).

                            4 July 2006, Independence Day ... Day 1757, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

                            by besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 02:33:48 PM PDT

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                          •  But would need backup? (0+ / 0-)

                            Until storage technology improves, I would not sign up to go through an Alaskan winter on wind power alone.

                            ...it always turns out that no one is in charge of the things that really matter.--Deborah Eisenberg, Twilight of the Superheroes

                            by Plan9 on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 03:13:57 PM PDT

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    •  Your "great-great-great-great..." sadly, WRONG!!! (3+ / 0-)
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      You need to read up on energy and global warming issues ... we are already being massively affected ... and literally are on the edge of catastrophic global climate change at any times ... There are credible reasons to be worried about the health of the Amazon ... about life in the oceans ... about Europe rapidly being caught in an ice age ... about massive methane hydrate reservoirs burping into the atmosphere and massively changing the atmosphere/temperature globally over a few year period ...

      I have been in the IED risk environment ... this terrifies me much more ...

      4 July 2006, Independence Day ... Day 1757, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

      by besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 09:57:51 AM PDT

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      •  I don't disagree. (0+ / 0-)

        But even if global warming is more immediate than I put forth, it still doesn't have nearly the immediacy, clarity and destructiveness to most people -- the voters -- that Iraq does.

        •  As per above ... (0+ / 0-)

          However, there is no reason not to be attacking on all legitimate fronts ...

          And, can we find another case of a political cartoonist at another major newspaper who has directly called for voting out all Republicans?  

          This is an employee of the Washington Post speaking, not a member of the Democratic Party or a Kossack or ... There is a legitimacy factor in the message.

          Find me the same re Iraq ...

          4 July 2006, Independence Day ... Day 1757, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

          by besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:25:15 AM PDT

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          •  You don't even have to mention Republicans. (1+ / 0-)
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            People intelligent enough to be interested in political cartoons will put it together.

            For example -- there was a great one with Condi outside a maternity ward -- her back to it -- with her "We're just witnessing the birth pangs of a new Iraq" quote, while others see the "baby" through the window -- a fantastically grotesque, huge, fanged monster labeled "Iraq".  One said, "Um...I think we already have a delivery."

    •  Let me put it to you this way. (1+ / 0-)
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      Me thinks you got a few too many greats in your list of future progeny. Those of us in the North are seeing changes more rapidly than anywhere else on earth.

      The great tragedy of Science, the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. T. H. Huxley

      by realalaskan on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 03:30:40 PM PDT

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  •  I like it. (3+ / 0-)

    Of course, I'd also like to see Toles - or someone similarly well-endowed with guts and brains - do one like it about Iraq, quoting George W. Bush's line, "We're not leaving Iraq as long as I'm president" and showing someone saying, "As long as you're president? We can fix that." And show people protesting and members of Congress drawing up articles of impeachment.

    Because you're either for three more years of war in Iraq (or more!), or you're for impeachment. You just might not have figured it out yet.

    (just like Toles is trying to say, if you're against global warming, you've got to be against Republicans)

    The message for 2006 is: Republicans are a bunch of fucking crooks, and they're fucking up the country.

    by Christopher on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 09:24:58 AM PDT

    •  That one's got potential. (1+ / 0-)
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        And, generally speaking, to you and to other Kossacks:

        If you're able to think visually, and can come up with really succinct captions that capsulize your concept, then feel free to send your ideas my way.

        Maybe I could breathe some artisitc life into your concept...

        My e-mail address is in my profile.

        Cheers !

        -- Dave.

  •  Not only that but... (1+ / 0-)
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    Toles was the first one I am aware of to refer to the meaning of "caca" that everyone in Europe, at least, knows:  (from Friday, Aug. 25)

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

  •  Would Toles do an animation cartoon? (2+ / 0-)
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    What a wonderful election spot the talking earth would make!  A cartoon earth character could focus ecology for the masses, and politics is becoming more cartoon-like every day.  The problem with Democrats has been  overestimating the electorate by using words without pictures.  

    •  Could MoveOn.org make this into a TV spot? (1+ / 0-)
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      Nobody ever said a political ad couldn't be a cartoon.  Have a cartoon Earth say exactly that.  (Get Toles' permission first, of course.)

      •  Climate Change Commercial (0+ / 0-)

        Environmental Defense and the Ad Council are now running some climate change commercials.  The best is a handsome middle-aged man saying that experts predict we have 30 years in order to do something about climate change.  He's standing on some train tracks and a train is coming up behind him.  He continues by saying in that case, it won't affect him.  Then he steps aside and reveals a little girl standing behind him on the tracks with the train bearing down on her.

        Simple and effective.  Good to see.  Personally, I think Dr Jim Hanson of NASA who says we probably have ten years to avert real catastrophic change is correct.  In my heart, without any real data but intuition, I think it's already too late but that only makes me work harder.

        Solar is civil defense. Video of my small scale solar experiments at http://solarray.blogspot.com/2006/03/solar-video.html

        by gmoke on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 01:43:18 PM PDT

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  •  Not bad... (0+ / 0-)

    I don't prefer political cartoons which require a lot of reading for some reason, probably b/c I'm a "visual learner"...just a personal preference.

    It's not easy being a Floridian.

    by lawstudent922 on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 09:53:05 AM PDT

  •  Tole's cartoon (1+ / 0-)
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    Today's is great (I usually check on a daily basis)
    I'm emailing to family members!  Aloha. . .

  •  Don't forget (2+ / 0-)
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    this one by De Rosier that Team Slacker diaried last week.  

    I'd drop in the graphic from the diary, but it's from last week before the approved link sites rule took effect.  Follow the link to the diary, though, it's worth it.

    I Am The King Of The Eleven Comment Diary and the Duke of C&Jless TU status.

    by CalbraithRodgers on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:15:17 AM PDT

  •  too bad the new image rules... (0+ / 0-)

    prevent you from displaying the cartoon in this diary, as per usual.

    Beware the Lieberman-Lamont Energy Beast!

    by lokiloki on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:44:41 AM PDT

  •  Toles has always been pro-environment (1+ / 0-)
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    and was a strong supporter of environmental protection even when he was in Buffalo.

    I'm sure the anti-earth GOP drives him nuts.

    Iraq was not about 9/11. And bin Laden is still free.

    by Naturegal on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 12:04:00 PM PDT

  •  Pay No Attention to That Man (1+ / 0-)
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    ...behind the curtain.  

    Just wanted to mention: Tom Oliphant's cartoon is right on the money, too (click the link to the Toles cartoon above, find the moderated disgruntled little penguin on the page, and click on him).

    For the past five-plus years, this has been the Cheney administration -- and the peevish sock puppet which is its mouthpiece? A joke.  Or a jester.

    You choose.

  •  I'm all for ousting the GOP (1+ / 0-)
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    For my own personal reasons, primarily the erosion of civil liberties. But from an insider's perspective in the renewable energy sector, after studying the proposed bills to address renewable energy technology development and proliferation, I have to say the GOP are running circles around the Dems when it comes to plans to spur investments in the technologies of the future. The Dems need to confer with somebody in multiple sectors in the industry to get them up to speed on where the industry stands, and where it's going. Reading Sen. Obama's renewable energy bill I couldn't help but grimmace at how far behind his ideas were compared to where the industry actually stands.
    •  Have you taken a look at (0+ / 0-)

      the Energize America?  We're open to any contributions / thoughts / reactions ...

      4 July 2006, Independence Day ... Day 1757, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

      by besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 02:49:54 PM PDT

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    •  By the way ... (0+ / 0-)

      Don't want to be defending Obama, but have you looked at Energy Independence 2020?  Or considered the bills offered in the House? Or read Kerry's (and other Senators') recent speech on energy?

      And, hard to complain about Democratic Party when leaders on the Republican side are people like Pombo and Inhofe ...

      4 July 2006, Independence Day ... Day 1757, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

      by besieged by bush on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 02:52:08 PM PDT

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      •  I read through the fact sheet (1+ / 0-)
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        at the link you provided, and noticed that alot of their goals are already being implemented throughout the country. New DoE/DoD/DoA renewable energy research program partnerships are being announced almost daily. Industry partnerships exploiting that research are likewise being announced almost daily. Venture capitalists are increasingly turning their attention to new businesses exploiting those technologies. The industry is maturing faster than the Dems' proposals. Granted it's still fragmented, but in the last month we had FOUR new 50-100mgy biofuels plants announced for construction in our state alone. Photovoltaics and increased efficiency technologies are advancing rapidly through industry efforts as well, and companies are building new facilities to expand these products into the marketplace, on a global scale. The DoE just announced a $2billion renewable energy loan guarantee program that closes in November for more companies make their mark in the industry. When I read Obama's bill, it appeared that he didn't know anything about all these other activities. The DoD is testing synthetic fuels in the B52 bomber THIS MONTH, and plans to decrease its reliance on petro fuels significantly over the next five years.

        Additionally, you've got GOP representatives mobilized on the ground holding town meetings PUSHING renewable energy technologies to their suburban and rural constituents. Not a day goes by without reading about another symposium or forum hosted by a GOP rep where he talks about the benefits to their communities by exploiting these new technologies. Where are the Dems? I've seen Gov. Schweitzer's proposal, and admire him greatly for it, but he's very narrowly focused primarily on synfuels derived from coal. GOP governors are releasing comprehensive renewable energy plans all this month that address all the available technologies, from waste-to-energy landfill conversions to hydrogen to biomass fuel production, and including CTL/GTL technologies. These guys are on the ball and anybody in the industry are going to attach themselves to these proposals to help advance the industry. So where are the Dems? They are putting out report after report critical of big oil and rising energy costs, but not much in the way of ACTUAL incentives to help launch and spread these technologies across the countyside.

        •  glad to see some in the GOP come around (1+ / 0-)
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          on this issue.  Thanks to Retired for filling us in on recent Republican plans for clean technology.  

          However I agree with Toles and want to the see the GOP lose, and lose badly, based on their decades of neglect or hostility to alternative energy.  The GOP politicos cited by Retired see which way the wind is blowing and don't want Al Gore et al. to get all the credit for solving these problems.

          But I'm not worried that Repubs can co-opt this issue the way they co-opted the Department of Homeland Security.  Why?  Because the president is the most visible GOP actor, and everyone has watched him gleefully trash environmental rules and causes for years.  Ditto for other prominent national Repubs.  The PR-challenged Dems have it easy on this one:  they can just haul out the tivo'ed footage they need of GOP hostility to the environment.

          By contrast, the Clinton/Gore team designed and inspired Kyoto, which cities and states are now signing up for independently, out of disgust for federal foot-dragging.

          My team is a finalist in the MIT Club of Northern California's Clean Tech Business Plan Contest (WaterWise Systems).  Some venture capitalists on the other side of the table are Republicans, part of the GOP-friendly culture of finance in this country.  We'll take their money.  But there's no way in hell I or any of the other clean tech business team folks will vote for GOP candidates at the national level any time soon.

          •  Well I hate to burst your bubble (1+ / 0-)
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            But I think affordable energy and next-gen energy choices are going to excite voters more than global warming/environmental concerns, and in that regard the proposals touting next-gen technologies are going to win out over retrospectives on past environmental damage.
            •  BTW I want to see the GOP lose (0+ / 0-)
              badly also. But my reasons are constitutional-based.
              •  I take your point (1+ / 0-)
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                about affordable energy being a bigger potential draw than environmental concerns.  Most people have no choice and have to drive, so for example if the biofuels provide a competitive alternative fuel, people will reward the providers with support, whether Dem or GOP.  

                I'm also glad you raised your concerns about suburban/exurban GOPers and GOP governors presenting their plans and trying to get in front on this issue.  I agree, Dem politicians need to get on the ball and make renewable energy a top priority.   Here in CA we've seen Dem legislators stop renewables subsidies when unions had minor quibbles with them.

                I guess I've gotten used to renewables being more expensive than fossil fuels, so some appeal to idealism, to the greater good beyond the individual short term price impact has been needed.  Tom Friedman and others have achieved this with two timely arguments: (a) America needs energy independence, "stop funding terrorism by buying oil," and (b) environmentalism, "we have to stop heating and destroying the planet."

                Both biofuels and solar energy will need serious subsidies for the near future; my guess is that message (a) or message (b) will have to accompany public consensus-building for renewables funding.  But (a) and (b) directly contradict the behavior of Bush, Cheney and the national GOP, as all voters know.  So the Dems have a built-in advantage in this cycle.

                Of course if we got rid of price supports for oil and gas, renewables would need fewer government subsidies.  But that would hurt big GOP donors, so I doubt we'll see that happen.  

                •  But many renewables are NOT (0+ / 0-)
                   more expensive than traditional petroleum fuels. I read an article today about a 50mgy plant selling ethanol at $2.31 retail while gasoline right along side it was $2.86. Link.  

                  Here's a case of gross overpricing to the point of government penalties being imposed on a synfuel producer in SA, Sasol, whose synthetic diesel is less than half the price of petro diesel, but they were selling it at petro diesel prices. Link This by the way is the fuel Rentech and Syntroleum and Gov. Schweitzer are trying to push into mass production, and the companies are insisting the costs are at about break even with diesel prices BECAUSE they're trying to get as much back on the enormous capital outlay that's required to construct the plants. They're charging the government $20/gal by some estimates in the DoD fuels testing program, just to get back as much as possible on the front end. The ACTUAL production costs are nowhere near that high.

                  And when these fuels penetrate the market at sufficient quantities to dilute the demand for petroleum fuels, the prices for all of these fuels come down across the board. THAT's what voters want to hear. They DON'T want to hear they need to park their cars and start taking the bus, which is a pitch some Dems are stupid enough to make right here in this forum.

                  •  That's amazing (0+ / 0-)

                    I read both articles.  That's the first time I've seen ethanol that much cheaper than gasoline.  Great news for the Midwest.  You guys have a ready advantage with that supply of corn.

                    Question:  will ethanol have a sustainable advantage, given that fertilizer and fuel inputs are needed to produce the corn in the first place?  

                    I think the Kossaks suggesting riding the bus are city dwelling Dems.  They forget that most people aren't served by convenient public transportation.

                    •  What's amazing about it (0+ / 0-)
                      In the example of that ethanol plant, what's so amazing about it is they're PAYING premium prices for that corn feedstock and STILL selling their product cheaper than gasoline. I don't think corn is the most suitable answer for ethanol producers, but it's one arm in the cog to keep supplies steady. Cellulosic ethanol (from wood and other biomass) are going to be more cost efficient and cheaper to consumers because of lower feedstock costs, which is absolutely necessary to keep corn ethanol priced competitively instead of letting it alone evolve into another petroleum-type fuel monopoly.
    •  Can you please elaborate.. (1+ / 0-)
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      from your insider's perspective?

      Our center at Caltech - NSF Center for Science and Energy of Materials - focuses partly on renewable energy (catalysts for methane to methanol conversion, solid oxide fuel cells, and silicon and compound semi-conductor photo-voltaics).

      Please answer specifically where exactly is the US renewable energy industry at this point and how that jives better with Republican bills and jars with Dems.

  •  I just wanted to say, Toles rocks! n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  I forwarded the link to about 2 dozen freinds (1+ / 0-)
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    It's even easier if you just link to the gif.

  •  Such a fantastic diary! (0+ / 0-)

    That cartoon is indeed priceless... now to see if I can (cough) save it somehow.

    Be good to each other. It matters.

    by AllisonInSeattle on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 06:44:46 AM PDT

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