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For those of you able to blissfully unplug over the holiday weekend, the big news Friday was Lee Siegel's suspension from the New Republic for sock puppetry.

If you missed out on the fun, there were great posts about the pathetic buffoon's ignoble ousting from the dying TNR by Shakespeare's Sister, Lawyers, Guns, and Money, and Ezra Klein.

And for a taste of his sockpuppetry, there's this:

I'm a huge fan of Siegel, been reading him since he started writing for TNR almost ten years ago. (Full disclosure: I'm an editor at a magazine in NYC and he's written for me too.) I watch the goings-on and have to scratch my head. The people who hate him the most are all in their twenties and early thirties. There's this awful suck-up named Ezra Klein--his "writing" is sweaty with panting obsequious ambition--who keeps distorting everything Siegel writes--the only way this no-talent can get him. And I ask myself: why is it the young guys who go after Siegel? Must be because he writes the way young guys should be writing: angry, independent, not afraid of offending powerful people. They on the other hand write like aging careerists: timid, ingratiating, careful not to offend people who are powerful. They hate him because they want to write like him but can't. Maybe if they'd let themselves go and write truthfully, they'd get Leon Wieseltier to notice them too.

Hilarious. And it couldn't have happened to a better magazine.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 08:50 AM PDT.

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  •  Why, oh why... (2+ / 0-)
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    vcmvo2, SeekCa

    ...do bad things happen to good people?

    Well, at least this little episode illustrates that sometimes bad things happen to bad people as well.  I'll just sit back and enjoy this little moment of schadenfreude.

    www.ctforlieberman.com ...tells you everything you need to know about Joe...

    by rlamoureux on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 08:39:22 AM PDT

  •  Shades of John Lott (1+ / 0-)
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    The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

    by Dana Houle on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 08:40:02 AM PDT

  •  Narcissism? (0+ / 0-)

    Who was the audience for his posts, exactly? Also, what's with people not being able to take criticism these days?  

  •  Was he fired? (2+ / 0-)
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    I know they permanently pulled his blog... and that couldn't happen to a more deserving hack.... but I seem to recall that he was only suspended from writing in the regular magazine.

    War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. ~General Smedley Butler

    by LeftHandedMan on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 08:43:34 AM PDT

    •  Unclear. (0+ / 0-)

      See here:

      An Apology to Our Readers

      After an investigation, The New Republic has determined that the comments in our Talkback section defending Lee Siegel's articles and blog under the username "sprezzatura" were produced with Siegel's participation. We deeply regret misleading our readers. Lee Siegel's blog will no longer be published by TNR, and he has been suspended from writing for the magazine.

      Franklin Foer
      Editor, The New Republic

      "Has Senator McCain's Straight Talk Express been rerouted through Bullshit Town?" - Jon Stewart

      by whometense on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 09:13:51 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Oh, for Gosh Darn Dilly Doo Sakes..... (0+ / 0-)

      I know for a fact that several active commenters on Daily Kos are either Capitol Hill press secretaries, who post comments defending their members, or campaign workers. That makes them sock puppets for their causes, even if they win praise, in some quarters, for defending their bosses.

      A journalist who quoted one of them as if he were quoting some random person on the Internet, however, would be presenting readers with a seriously distorted view of whatever issue was being discussed. That's why I believe journalists have an obligation to determine, as much as is practicable, the identities of the people they are quoting -- or else not quote them at all.

      Such a standard would decrease the power of sock-puppeting online, and would also put an end to the ridiculous genre of news stories and political press releases that center around the outrageous thing some pseudonymous commenter said on a blog. The GOP, in particular, has taken to this form of accusation against blogs with vigor, and any journalist who cites such comments and the controversies around them without attempting to determine the identity of the actual commenter is opening himself or herself up to being played for a patsy by a political staffer who may well have stirred up the whole controversy for electoral ends. Online, you never know who you're quoting unless you check.

      On a side note, I know this is a controversial topic, but I won't be able to weigh in again today since I’ll be on the road.

      --Garance Franke-Ruta

      GFR from Tapped

      I don't like lazy reporters quoting DC2002 in a story (to conveniently smear my community with a GOP meme about blogs is an additional factor in my case, but also because its crappy journalism as well) either. But.

      Campaign outreach is not concern trolling or sockpuppetry.
      Concern Trolling is not sockpuppetry or campaign outreach.
      Sockpuppetry is not concern trolling or campaign outreach.

      I don't care how uncomfortable with blogs you are, we netroot geeks spent years giving these things names. Learn what term goes with what. Sheesh.

      War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. ~General Smedley Butler

      by LeftHandedMan on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 09:35:28 AM PDT

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  •  As much as I'm enjoying this news (21+ / 0-)
    ...I feel a compelling need to make this clarification:

    Lee Siegel's "sockpuppet":  no relation whatsoever.

    Just to be clear on that point.  ;)~

  •  Fix the link (2+ / 0-)
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    The link to Lee Siegal being fired goes to the diary on Scholastic Books.

    The wise are driven by reason; ordinary minds, by experience; the stupid, by necessity, and brutes by instinct. Cicero

    by MoDem on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 08:45:04 AM PDT

  •  I know some people don't think this is important (0+ / 0-)

    that this is all wonking self-abuse, but it is important.  We must hold the 4th estate's feet to the fire until they get it or burn up, either way, we are better off then the way things are right now.

    And this is not about being more left, just being more honest and truthful.

    I would like to see folks like FAIR and Media Matters get a wider audience, maybe even a TV show.  FAIR at least has a weekly radio show analyzing the media on the issue that is good, but like politics, we need to do this at the local level as well.

    Make a neocon cry, buy un::Conventional - the YearlyKos experience in words and pictures.

    by ETinKC on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 08:46:36 AM PDT

  •  heh. (5+ / 0-)

    It's like bidding on your own item on eBay just to jack up the price.

    "There are times in politics when you must be on the right side and lose." John Kenneth Galbraith

    by susanp on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 08:47:34 AM PDT

  •  Maybe the guy is just a victim of.... (0+ / 0-)

    ...Multiple Personality Disorder and this is how the various personalities manifested themselves....if so, his multiples have excellent writing skills...perhaps one will become a famous author or syndicated columnist....

    "Our sweat and our blood have fallen on this land to make other men rich." Cesar Estrada Chavez

    by bic momma on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 08:47:42 AM PDT

  •  Even the Sock Puppet Can't Write (1+ / 0-)
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    WTF does this mean?

    "And I ask myself: why is it the young guys who go after Siegel?"

  •  New Job (4+ / 0-)
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    He and John Lott can put on a traveling puppet show. The Mary Rosh and Spezzatura Superfun Happytime Hour.

    Or they can spend their days editing each others' wikipedia entries.

  •  Oh PLEASE won't Leon Wieseltier notice me?! (2+ / 0-)
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    I've been sending him fan letters and doing YouTube homages to him for years!  What young man doesn't want to grow up to work for Leon Wieseltier?  I know it's been my sweaty, panting ambition since I was a young lad of eight.

    Read James Loewen's "Sundown Towns"!

    by ChicagoDem on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 08:52:48 AM PDT

  •  bad link...? (0+ / 0-)

    the first link is taking me to R Cranium's Scholastic diary...

    -8.38, -7.74 "We cannot solve today's problems using the mindset that created them." Albert Einstein

    by condoleaser on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 08:52:48 AM PDT

  •  And now our moment of Schadenfreude (1+ / 0-)
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    TNR will be the better without Lee Siegel, whose prose was too cranky to appeal to almost anyone else.  Still, it's a good magazine with a lot of solid reporting and some very smart people there.  I realize that folks here have some beefs with it, but I'd hope we can realize that it does bring a lot of helpful journalism to the table - their recent reporting on George Allen, and their post-Katrina profiles of Bush administration hacks come immediately to mind.

    "There will always be two different views / Of the same thing, baby / Too many views with loaded pride." - The Fixx

    by fstlicho on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 08:58:35 AM PDT

    •  Oh please. (5+ / 0-)

      TNR = Lieberman rag.

      'Nuff said.

      •  True (0+ / 0-)

        True that they've endorsed Lieberman for the 2004 presidential nomination.

        But despite that, they do have some very smart political analysis. Their arts/literature section is pretty good too.

        •  They also (3+ / 0-)
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          endorsed him for president during the 2004 primaries. And their coverage of the Middle East is seriously slanted toward Israel.

          And before you flame me, I am married to a Jew who insisted we cancel our TNR subscription because of the coverage of MidEast issues.

          •  However (1+ / 0-)
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            Their endorsement with him came with about 4 other endorsements written by staff writers.  It made the endorsement seem pretty weak - something that Beinart and Peretz may have agreed upon, but the rest of the staff didn't.  They're an open shop where ideas are concerned, and their recent reporting on Lieberman makes it clear that they don't care for what he's doing.  So reducing them to a Lieberman rag really doesn't capture what they do.  They had a delicious piece on Katherine Harris's implosion that any Kos reader would enjoy.

            "There will always be two different views / Of the same thing, baby / Too many views with loaded pride." - The Fixx

            by fstlicho on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 09:17:06 AM PDT

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            •  On the other hand, they did publish this (3+ / 0-)
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              revolting Martin Peretz manifesto arguing in favor of John freaking Bolton's confirmation.

              They are infuriating.  They have the brains to know better, but their general neocon tendencies keep driving their editorial bus into a ditch.

              My husband has a subscription because he likes reading their arts coverage.  It makes me just see red.

              "Has Senator McCain's Straight Talk Express been rerouted through Bullshit Town?" - Jon Stewart

              by whometense on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 09:23:25 AM PDT

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              •  on the other hand (1+ / 0-)
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                Peretz also wrote in favor of Al Gore in 2008 - something I suspect a lot of people here would embrace as well.

                I don't really care for Peretz a whole lot, but folks like Spencer Ackerman, who has tirelessly chronicled the mess we are in in Iraq, John Judis, who has reported on the ways that the recent UK terror bust has been overhyped, and Ryan Lizza, who has done quite a lot to unmask George Allen do NOT deserve the neocon label.  Ignore the editorials (though the ones on Darfur are quite good) and you may enjoy the magazine after all.

                "There will always be two different views / Of the same thing, baby / Too many views with loaded pride." - The Fixx

                by fstlicho on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 09:33:13 AM PDT

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                •  Yeah... if you (1+ / 0-)
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                  treat TNR like Jefferson treated the Bible, then you could probably come up with a decent magazine.

                  Quarterly?

                  "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

                  by ogre on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 09:35:12 AM PDT

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                  •  it just seems pleasantly heterogeneous (1+ / 0-)
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                    Outside of the editorials there never seems to be a rigid party line.  They're a bunch of smart people in there who enjoy being contrarian - even (especially) toward each other.  In the end sum we benefit from their reporting.

                    "There will always be two different views / Of the same thing, baby / Too many views with loaded pride." - The Fixx

                    by fstlicho on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 09:37:34 AM PDT

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                •  I imagine that's true. (0+ / 0-)

                  But as a confirmed Kerry supporter, he didn't make any headway with me with that one either.  I'm aware that puts me in the minority here, but so be it.

                  Peretz's views on Israel are too hardened and too right wing friendly to allow me to view anything he says with an unjaundiced eye.

                  "Has Senator McCain's Straight Talk Express been rerouted through Bullshit Town?" - Jon Stewart

                  by whometense on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 10:33:15 AM PDT

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                  •  admittedly (0+ / 0-)

                    yeah, Peretz is way to the right there - he's a pretty idiosyncratic dude.  I'm much more enthused about the staff writers - Lizza, Cottle, Judis et. al.

                    "There will always be two different views / Of the same thing, baby / Too many views with loaded pride." - The Fixx

                    by fstlicho on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 10:35:18 AM PDT

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                    •  They do have some excellent writers. (0+ / 0-)

                      Honestly, their total antipathy for Kerry has angered me over and over again and left me less than openminded about the magazine.

                      Probably no one who wasn't with Kerry back in late 2003 would remember this, but in their bigh 2004 endorsement issue (yeah, the one where they came out in support of Lieberman) they wrote cases for all the other major candidates.  Except Kerry.

                      They never mention him except to mock or belittle or insult.

                      Granted, I'm biased.  But at the very least, Kerry is a good man, an honest one, and a good democrat, and I cannot imagine what he ever did to deserve such an attitude.  For me, that bias calls into question both their integrity and their prejudices.

                      The sole exception I can think of at the moment was a decently fair-minded article about Kerry's youth that was written by Franklin Foer, John Kerry, Teen Outcast

                      "Has Senator McCain's Straight Talk Express been rerouted through Bullshit Town?" - Jon Stewart

                      by whometense on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 10:52:31 AM PDT

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                      •  they had their moments (0+ / 0-)

                        Alas, I cannot join you in expressing support for Kerry at the present time.  I did support him back in the day.  I had a gander at their 10/18/04 issue which featured the following:

                        • a critical deconstruction of the Republican flip-flopper meme, being employed against Kerry
                        • a Gregg Easterbrook piece praising Kerry's environmental policy plan
                        • a Peter Beinart defense against the charge that Kerry lacked ideas on Iraq, placing the blame on Dubya
                        • a Ryan Lizza piece on how the Kerry campaign learned from Gore's mistakes
                        though also:
                        • a Lawrence Kaplan piece on Kerry's foreign policy advisors - not quite as positive

                        I think they got behind him as the party did, but have had no respect for him afterward.  That, though seems to be the general trend with Democrats.  In that sense, TNR hasn't really deviated from the mean.  I'm quite tempted to submit you to a questionnaire, because you're the first 2006 vintage Kerry fan I've encountered.

                        "There will always be two different views / Of the same thing, baby / Too many views with loaded pride." - The Fixx

                        by fstlicho on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 11:05:04 AM PDT

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                        •  No kidding? (0+ / 0-)

                          A questionnaire, huh?  I'm game - though I'm not the wonkiest of his supporters, to be sure.

                          "Has Senator McCain's Straight Talk Express been rerouted through Bullshit Town?" - Jon Stewart

                          by whometense on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 11:28:26 AM PDT

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                          •  I was half kidding (0+ / 0-)

                            but let's give it a go - please feel free to be brief if you want

                            • what seem the main causes of the 2004 loss to you?
                            • if any of these bear on Kerry, do you see him surmounting them in 08?
                            • what deficiencies in the current field of Dems do you see Kerry addressing?

                            "There will always be two different views / Of the same thing, baby / Too many views with loaded pride." - The Fixx

                            by fstlicho on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 11:36:49 AM PDT

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                          •  Okay - (1+ / 0-)
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                            • I believe that but for Kenneth Blackwell he would have won.  I believe that there was (so far sadly unprovable) widespread voter disenfranchisement and that recounts were faked (Ohio) or not done at all (I'm talking to you, Bill Richardson.)

                            As far as the campaign goes, I think the biggest problem for Kerry was that 5-week(?) gap between the end of the democratic convention and the republicans'.  Kerry had toyed with the idea of not formally accepting the nomination in July so he could keep spending his primary money through that period.  The howls of the indignant forced him to give up that idea, but left him vulnerable to cheap shot attacks in the interim.  Hence the swifties - contrary to popular opinion, he did fight back, but the media being what it is they kept amplifying it, and if he'd spent money then to counter the attacks he would have been short late in the campaign.  I think that 5 week differential was the difference.

                            • I think he's done everything possible to keep fighting the good fight since the election.  He's gotten out front on a number of issues that are important to the democratic voters, and signed on to efforts that others have initiated.  He's supported with money and his personal presence innumerable democratic candidates all over the country, in an effort to win back control of Congress this fall.

                            I do think that if he decides to run again he will run differently.  One thing I love about Kerry is his ability to absorb new information and learn and grow.  That's the sunny side of the stupid flip-flop label.  Self-righteous stubbornness is not a quality I want to see in a president.

                            • When I look at the current field this is what I see (apologies in advance if I offend anyone's favorite)

                            Biden is too self-involved and too prone to shooting his mouth off without thinking first.  Plus, concise he is not.

                            Hillary - well - I don't know who the voters are who say they will vote for her, but I sure don't know any of them.  Her negatives are very high - even among women.  

                            Edwards - I just don't admire him the way a lot of people seem to.  I think his wife is amazing, but I find him simplistic and too inexperienced.  I think his lack of foreign policy cred will be a serious issue.

                            Warner - heard him interviewed on This Week a while back, and was unimpressed - see Edwards re: foreign policy, only more so.  I'm not sure that he will be seen as ready for the job.

                            Who else?  Bayh - eh.  Don't see what there is to get excited about.  I don't think Gore's going to run, but I'd still vote for Kerry over him.  I don't see Feingold as a great choice for the general election, though I like him.  Of all the others who are expressing interest, I'd have to say I like Dodd the most, after Kerry.  He's solid.

                            Kerry's solid and exciting.  I know it's not popular here to acknowledge it, but the cheering throngs he drew by the end of the 2004 campaign were a dramatic illustration of a lot more than an "anyone but Bush" appeal.  I think the way he's conducted himself since then demonstrates the stuff he's made of  - a real toughness, as opposed to cowboy George's pretend swagger.

                            "Has Senator McCain's Straight Talk Express been rerouted through Bullshit Town?" - Jon Stewart

                            by whometense on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 12:11:09 PM PDT

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                          •  well put (1+ / 0-)
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                            Thanks for this - you make a strong case for someone a lot of us have written off.  It's refreshing to dispel the conventional wisdom that seems to accumulate after a race.  It does make me want to rethink my own after-analysis of the race.

                            I, for the record, am still on the fence.  Chats with Europeans make me acutely interested in an Obama candidacy, on the premise that he'd be quite popular internationally.  I do agree on the unlikelihood of a Gore run.  I do really think we need someone with an instinctive grasp of rural campaigning, and Obama's Kansas years have given him a heads up in that department.

                            "There will always be two different views / Of the same thing, baby / Too many views with loaded pride." - The Fixx

                            by fstlicho on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 12:44:34 PM PDT

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                          •  thanks for listening with an open mind. (0+ / 0-)

                            There seem to be more people willing to consider all the possibilities these days - but there still aren't as many as one would wish.

                            I will vote in the general election for whoever the dem nominee is, but if he's running, Kerry has my vote and my active support from the start.  I like Obama, but he's still really inexperienced and to me kind of a political cipher.  He's got charisma to burn, for sure, and is very intelligent.  But I put Kerry over him for experience; Kerry's no slouch in the overseas diplomacy department either.  

                            Plus, I just trust him, for a lot of reasons.  

                            "Has Senator McCain's Straight Talk Express been rerouted through Bullshit Town?" - Jon Stewart

                            by whometense on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 03:13:24 PM PDT

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        •  Eh (0+ / 0-)

          Their arts/literature section pretty much defines "liberal elitism".  Not that that's a BAD thing, necessarily, but it definitely suggests the magazine is born and bred for a niche market.  I'm a little younger than their target demographic, of course, so I may be biased...

          Read James Loewen's "Sundown Towns"!

          by ChicagoDem on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 09:24:38 AM PDT

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        •  Their arts/literature section (1+ / 0-)
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          Their arts/literature section is pretty good too.

          It will be a lot better now that Siegel is gone.

          Who can forget his execrable piece on "Eyes Wide Shut," which was verifiably one of the ten worst movies of the decade. Naturally, Siegel just loved it, and simply could not understand why every other critic in the known world had slammed it so badly. If anyone ever watched it - which is a truly daunting task to be sure - it would be no mystery as to why it was universally despised, except, of course, by Siegel.

          A friend of mine, who happens to be an Oscar winning producer himself and knows a little something about film, as well as having known Kubrick for many years, summed it up when I asked him about his thoughts on the movie. "Stanley died one movie too late."  My friend is no twenty or thirty something either, more like a seventy something.  Some time after that, apropos of some other conversation we were having about film critics, I showed him Siegel's review. He read about half of it, stopped and said, "This guy's a moron, and he knows fucking nothing about the movies. Do you want another drink? I'm hungry, let's start dinner."

          TNR, for whatever it's worth, will be better without Siegel. How good that is, is another discussion.

          A liberal is a man so broadminded he wouldn't take his own side in an argument........Robert Frost

          by mjshep on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 10:14:44 AM PDT

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    •  Bullshit. TNR sucks. They cultivate (0+ / 0-)

      "centrists" of the worst variety:  wimpy progressive self-immolators who have an almost erotic affinity for stuffy, white, conservative men.

      "How am I not myself?" -- I ♥ Huckabees

      by Joelarama on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 12:11:55 PM PDT

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  •  This is so unfair. (8+ / 0-)

    I'm a huge fan of Siegel, been reading him since he started writing for TNR almost ten years ago. He's not perfect, but he doesn't merit such abuse. I'm a huge fan of Siegel, and I sincerely doubt he would stoop to such deceptions as you have accused him of. I'm a huge fan of Siegel, because he writes the way young guys should be writing, and you're just jealous. I'm a huge fan of Siegel, and you should be too, unless you're an aging careerist or something.

         Yours truly,
              (not) Lee Siegel, just a huge fan

    Slap it. Shoot it. Kaboot it.

    by adios on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 08:59:12 AM PDT

    •  Full disclosure please (0+ / 0-)

      Were you ever an editor of a NYC magazine?

      Did you perhaps now and then publish the poor maligned Mr. Siegel?

      *****
      This is much too easy.  

      The wise are driven by reason; ordinary minds, by experience; the stupid, by necessity, and brutes by instinct. Cicero

      by MoDem on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 09:22:44 AM PDT

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      •  Regards "full disclosure" (0+ / 0-)

        Just this.  Thank god there were no pictures.

        Wanker is really the apropriate term.

        "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

        by ogre on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 09:31:41 AM PDT

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  •  Sniquer. (3+ / 0-)
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    Is Lee Siegel another name for Slouise217???

  •  One thing is true (2+ / 0-)
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    After reading this news, I do have to admit, that today only, Lee Siegel is funnier than John Stewart.

    "The people have spoken. The Bastards." -- Mo Udall

    by Dissento on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 09:04:50 AM PDT

  •  I'm not a young guy... (0+ / 0-)

    ...and I think he's a wanker. One of the wankiest of wankers, in fact.
    The curious thing about this non-story is that Siegel feels no shame, nor do his fans, for his actions, which were deceitful and borderline libel. An apology is in order.
    But there is NO accountability anymore.

  •  TNR writers = nothing but class (1+ / 0-)
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    Not that it's relevant here, but this is the closing salvo I received once from another TNR writer in an e-mail exchange I had with him.  Notice how he uses logic to demolish me:

    dont bother writing me again, i'll just delete it.  i'll argue with assholes but not ones who are also morons.

  •  Lee Seigal? (0+ / 0-)

    He sucks. But that guy, Zaphod Beeblebrox, he's terrific! No one writes like him, he's a fucking genius. I bet he gets lots of chicks at bars where chicks who like to hook up with great writers go. Zaphod is so totally awesome... uh, oh shit... I forgot to switch to the other account.

    Forget it. Nevermind.

    As God needs the devil, as the Beatles needed the Rolling Stones... so Diane Sawyer needs Katie Couric.

    by Zaphod Beeblebrox on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 02:00:59 PM PDT

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