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Coming to a TV screen near you, Condoleezza Rice, reprising her role as Baghdad Bob:

Rice, giving a series of interviews ahead of the fifth anniversary of the September 11 Al-Qaeda attacks on the United States, brushed aside a recently released US intelligence report (PDF) saying there was no evidence Saddam's regime was helping Al-Qaeda obtain such arms.

"There were ties between Iraq and Al-Qaeda," she said on Fox News Sunday.

(emphasis added).  Let's leave Rice's la-la land for a moment and take a stroll through the pages of the just-released Senate Intelligence Committee report, shall we?

From a July 2002 Defense Intelligence Agency assessment:

"[C]ompelling evidence demonstrating direct cooperation between the government of Iraq and al Qa'ida has not been established, despite a large body of anecdotal information."

From interviews with DIA officials:

During an interview with Committee staff, the lead analyst who follows the issue of possible connections between the Iraqi government and al-Qa'ida noted that the DIA "continues to maintain that there was no partnership between the two organizations."

From a February 28, 2002 DIA analysis:

Iraq has been repeatedly accused of aiding al-Qa'ida's chemical and biological acquisition efforts. Despite recent information from a senior al-Qa'ida trainer currently in custody, all-source intelligence has not confirmed Iraq's involvement. Iraq is unlikely to have provided bin Laden any useful CB knowledge or assistance.

From a 2005 CIA analysis:

[T]he CIA assessed that prior to the war, "the regime did not have a relationship, harbor, or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi and his associates."

From the Committee's report:

The Committee  uncovered no information in postwar Iraq about Saddam's intent to use terrorism in the event of a U.S. invasion...Saddam was resistant to cooperating with al-Qa'ida or any other Islamist groups.  No information has been uncovered that indicates Iraq considered soliciting al-Qa'ida's assistance in attacks against the U.S.

And one of the main conclusions of the report:

Postwar findings indicate that Saddam Hussein was distrustful of al-Qa'ida and viewed Islamic extremists as threats to his regime, refusing all requests from al-Qa'ida to provide material or operational support.

Secretary Rice isn't the only one that's addicted to lying. Even in the face of so many reports putting to rest the Iraq-al Qaeda myth, the President can't seem to kick the habit either:

As recently as two weeks ago, President Bush said at a news conference that Mr. Hussein "had relations with Zarqawi.''

The release of the Phase II report, incomplete as it may be, at least serves to remind the American people of one thing: that this is an administration addicted to lies, one that is unwilling (perhaps unable?) to wean itself off the propaganda it has pushing for the last three years. Deception, for these habitual liars, appears to be the hardest habit to break.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:49 PM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Risk/Reward (3+ / 0-)
    The risk is too minimal to not lie your ass off. The damage too great to change your story, these Neocons. And the sad part is I'm expecting alot of Republicans to win this cycle just on border security. In Texas, the Iraq War is second fiddle to border security/immigration.

    Benjamin Moore Paints, Bosch tools and appliances, and Thermador sponsor Desperate Housewives on ABC.

    by LandSurveyor on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:38:40 PM PDT

    •  I'm watching Cheney lying his ass off right now (1+ / 0-)
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      Ky DEM

      Such posturing, such emphatic statements, such bullshit.  

      It's no disgrace not to be able to run a country nowadays, but it is a disgrace to keep on trying when you know you can't. ~ Will Rogers

      by vigilant meerkat on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:54:13 PM PDT

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    •  another interpretation (1+ / 0-)
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      Is it possible that fear of war crimes investigations is causing them to lie so brazenly. And  fear of investigations is very real because they might lose the elections?

    •  It's for the greater good [sic]. (0+ / 0-)

      oscarsmom and I keep having this same discussion:  the brazen lying is just unconscionable to us.  For a democracy to work, the public needs to hear the truth.

      But the neocon philosophy is that the only thing that is good for America is a "strong leader", someone "born to lead".  Lying to the public is necessary to keep those born to lead in power.  This point was argued by Leo Strauss, a German orthodox Jew who emigrated to England and then the US prior to WWII.  From the dKosopedia article on Strauss:

      Shadia Drury of the University of Regina, author of 1999's Leo Strauss and the American Right, says "Strauss was neither a liberal nor a democrat... Perpetual deception of the citizens by those in power is critical (in Strauss's view) because they need to be led, and they need strong rulers to tell them what's good for them. .. The Weimar Republic (in Germany) was his model of liberal democracy for which he had huge contempt," added Drury. Liberalism in Weimar, in Strauss's view, led ultimately to the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews.

      Lately, and more so since I read this stuff about Strauss, I've been having this problem with rage.  I'm having trouble sleeping, and I've spent a lot of time daydreaming about what circumstances would compel me to spend my time opposing a government overrun by people who are trying to turn America away from democracy and toward manipulation of the public and power-mad authoritarianism.

      I really, really hope the neocons are not still in power in 2009.

      This is the first President I am afraid may refuse to leave office at the end of his term. --oscarsdad, December '00

      by oscarsdad on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 04:03:39 PM PDT

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      •  Sleepless in Seattle (1+ / 0-)
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        Oscarsdad, I think their brazen lies have made us all sleepless in Seattle because we love our country and they actually hate freedom and truth. But, I am sleeping a little better lately because I see fear in the desperate way they are campaigning. Dailykos just showed a poll by CNN saying 57% favor investigations of the current administration.  That is pretty amazing in so-called war time and it must make the White House quiver. So, I'll just bet they are more sleepless than us.  

        •  Thanks for a glint of hope in a dreary world! (0+ / 0-)

          I just know it is hard to compete in the public opinion lottery with people who are willing to say anything to get what they want--and who are willing to prevent people from voting in the name of freedom.

          This is the first President I am afraid may refuse to leave office at the end of his term. --oscarsdad, December '00

          by oscarsdad on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 06:17:37 PM PDT

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    •  If FOX keeps this up they will be as bad as ABC! (0+ / 0-)


    •  Who said republicans are strong on immigration? (0+ / 0-)

      What have they done right so far concerning immigration? They control congress yet they cant even decide on how to deal with the issue. They have idiots like Frist with their unrealistic immigration bills, and then you have Bush who's stance on immigration seems to be 'just ignore it and it'll go away.' All they have is their Iraq and Terror War rhetoric. Now that Iraq is obviously not connected to the larger struggle against terrorism, Republicans can only lie and bullshit their way to victory, which is what they have done best in the past. Sadly, the misinformed are a large constituency which the republicans always win over.

  •  For those worried (18+ / 0-)

    that the Phase II report would get lost in the Mickey shuffle, have no fear. I'll have a LOT more on the report mid-week, and plenty of Kossacks have also contributed work on the issue.

    •  Go, g10, GO!!! (4+ / 0-)
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      blueyedace2, Kdoug, Ellicatt, Rex Manning

      I'll be looking forward to your posts.

      How is the world ruled and led to war? Diplomats lie to journalists and believe these lies when they see them in print. -- Karl Kraus

      by kingubu on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:40:16 PM PDT

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    •  Bloodlust (0+ / 0-)
      Reports won't end the desire to kill. The 43% believe the link between Iraq and 911 because they want to. Until their methods are verifiably exposed as flawed we're just gonna have to cover our balls and try to find some Democrats who give a shit.

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      by LandSurveyor on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:53:44 PM PDT

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    •  Anti-Americanism (5+ / 0-)

      There is evidently a new book out entitled "Overblown".  It's done by a professor in Illinois, Indiana, referenced on This Week.  Says that chances of an American being killed in this country by a terrorist attack is roughly equal to an American's chances of being hit by a comet.

      Since 2004, anti-Americanism has increased.  Some studies indicate that the rest of the world has turned not only against the American government but the American people.  Afterall, the government was dumb but after the reelection of Bush, folks in the rest of the world began to deduce that the American people were equally dumb.  

      This is the price we pay for a hyperbolic media.

      •  I remember a study (0+ / 0-)

        that came out in the '70s that said that a woman over 35, who had never been married, had roughly the same chance of getting married as being killed by terrorists.  I would hazard a guess that the statistics haven't changed much.

    •  Nothing is getting lost if you are around (0+ / 0-)

      I'll bet that there are some folks at the White House, if given the chance to have just one scalp, would want yours.

      There is no higher form of flattery than that.

      Denny Hastert is getting a pass from too many people who should know better

      by llbear on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:27:13 PM PDT

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  •  file a fec complaint against abc (8+ / 0-)

    charles sanders, running for congress in the 3rd district in ohio, has a page set up for easy filing of complaints with the fec against disney/abc for campaign finance law violations re: the docu-fantasy "the path to 9/11."

    details at skippy.


    skippy the bush kangaroo - the "with" in "filled with hate!"

    by skippy on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:40:17 PM PDT

  •  Hmmm.... (10+ / 0-)

    if by,

    'Mr. Hussein "had relations with Zarqawi."' he means that Hussein was trying to hunt down Zarqawi so he could be interrogated, tortured and killed, and Zarqawi was running and hiding from Hussein then....

    ...well, I suppose that's "relations" of a sort.

    I am guided by a force much greater than luck.>>Lucas

    by Rex Manning on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:41:07 PM PDT

  •  the liars are out in force (3+ / 0-)
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    georgia10, blueyedace2, Rex Manning

    just like halloween and trick or treaters... they're all out on the street and if you don't give 'em candy, they'll do something nasty to your house...

  •  Lies, lies, lies ... (4+ / 0-)

    Bush, Cheney, Condi, etc. et. al. - have no regard for truth. One day there is an authorative story saying one thing, the next day they say the opposite - then deny they said it.

    How can they live with themselves?

    "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - A. Einstein

    by FWIW on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:41:38 PM PDT

  •  That Bush and friends lie is no longer a headline (8+ / 0-)

    It would be news if they ever tell the truth.  

    •  It is because (6+ / 0-)

      it never, ever gets reported.  The resurgence of the Taliban is "news" because it hasn't been reported for three years.  But only now are some in the idiot mainstream media getting their heads out of Bush's lap long enough to come up for air and mutter, "Huh?  Where'd they come from?"

      This Far and No Further -- documenting 109 years of conservative thuggery

      by Black Max on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:54:39 PM PDT

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    •  It would also be news... (6+ / 0-)

      ...if Democrats, en masse, would start refering to them as LIARS!.

      Saying they misrepresented some facts, don't quite have their story straight, etc., just makes it sound like they weren't completely wrong. When will the majority of Democratic Politicians finally just call them out for what they are, LIARS!?

      When a Democrat sits there on aTV show while a Republican lies, they shouldn't sit there and smile respectfully. These people destroying our government aren't to be respected. When they start lieing, don't let them finish. They rarely allow dems to finish with the truth, so the Dems need to interupt them and just say, liar.

      Until they are consistently called on their lies, they will continue to peddle them.

    •  They camoflaged their lies (0+ / 0-)

      behind another lie, which is that "all politicians lie."  Thus, the dems are painted with the same brush, making the lies of the Bush admin fade away.

  •  You know what I'd love, g10? (3+ / 0-)
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    I'd love to get video of your slamming away at your keyboard typing this stuff.  That would make awesome documentary fodder :-)

  •  You people are emboldening the terrorists. (2+ / 0-)
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    blueyedace2, Rex Manning

    Are you people asking for another attack?

    All this dissent, that's not my America!

    I see America as a place where warrants are not needed.

    My America is a place where Congressional investigations become a footnote in the history books.

    In My America we would do away with these pesky elections, they are becoming a breeding ground for dissent.

    Dissent emboldens the terror.

    These are troubled times in America.
    Its time for bold action.

    The Constitution is an impediment to my freedoms as the Commander in Chief.

    Constitution = Taliban

    Its time for real patriots to dump the Constitution where it the bath tub with Grover Norquist.

    Parody is free speech! This is free speech! This is Parody!

    by President of the United States on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:46:57 PM PDT

  •  She's just throwing some chunks of red meat (2+ / 0-)
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    blueyedace2, Rex Manning

    through the bars of the fox cage.
    They love a bit of that in there.

    "Laugh while you can, monkey-boy" - Emilio Lizardo

    by jeno mules on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:47:04 PM PDT

  •  The media (5+ / 0-)

    failed to get the conflict between Iraq and Osama out in front pre-invasion. If you polled Americans even now, what percentage would know that Osama wanted to launch a JIHAD against Iraq to get Saddam out of Kuwait?

    The Constitution is not negotiable

    by Hkingsley on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:47:25 PM PDT

  •  I listen to just about everybody (3+ / 0-)
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    blueyedace2, llbear, Rex Manning

    except Condoleeza (Liar-Liar) Rice.  I can take about 10 minutes and I have to go somewhere else.

    There is a certain art or comical quality to the likes of Bush and Cheney.  Not so with Rice, she utters just blatant lies.

  •  The people will only realize that this (5+ / 0-)

    administration is packed with liars more than Snickers is with peanuts if we, and those with us, tell them so.  The media won't do it.  Of course, Condi was on Fox, so they didn't do anything except slobber on her dainty little well-shod feet (bet she's already retired her Katrina shoes), but I doubt anyone in the MSM Sunday punditry would have called her on her arrant bullshit.

    Bush is STILL considered by a majority of Americans to be a truthful, honest guy.  We are getting our asses whipped over this.  Counterattacks are needed now more than ever before.

    This Far and No Further -- documenting 109 years of conservative thuggery

    by Black Max on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:49:54 PM PDT

  •  They are like insane people (6+ / 0-)

    They just don't hear reason, they only hear the voices in their own heads.

    Blind faith in bad leaders is not patriotism.

    by takeahike on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:50:12 PM PDT

  •  I Saw This Wench's Act... (3+ / 0-)
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    blueyedace2, jfadden, Rex Manning

    On Wolf Blitzer this morning...To this very second she's still selling that bag of s***...
    Let's see we've got the bag of s*** that is called "The Path to 9/11"
    We've got the bag of s*** that is the Dick Cheney interview on Meet the Press...
    We've got a big bag of s*** that has been President Bush's speeches allllllll week long....
    We've got the small bag of s*** that is the Bill Frist talking about how fast legislation should get passed to give military trials to Gitmo Detainee's...
    Look...I am not going to eat BushCo's S*** Anymore... It's making me sick...

    Take Care All... PLHeart..

    by PLHeart on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:51:30 PM PDT

  •  She's just doing what she's told... (0+ / 0-)

    Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime. -- Ernest Hemingway

    by spread the word IRAQ NAM on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:52:15 PM PDT

  •  Cheney (4+ / 0-)
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    lilnubber, tzt, jfadden, Rex Manning

    STILL believes the whole "realations" bit:

    CHENEY: So you’ve got Iraq and 9/11, no evidence that there’s a connection. You’ve got Iraq and al-Qaeda, testimony from the director of CIA that there was indeed a relationship, Zarqawi in Baghdad, etc. Then the third...

    MR. RUSSERT: The committee said that there was no relationship. In fact...

    VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, I haven’t seen the report; I haven’t had a chance to read it yet, but the fact is...

    The Constitution is not negotiable

    by Hkingsley on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:53:33 PM PDT

    •  hasn't read it yet (4+ / 0-)
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      suswa, lilnubber, jfadden, llbear


      Whether he's read the report is irrelevant.  The report is based on intelligence community documents from 2001-2006.  He didn't read any of those either?

      That would explain a lot, wouldn't it?

    •  "The fact is?" (3+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell, lilnubber, jfadden
      Cheney is such an arrogant ass.  He said he hadn't read the report but he knew the facts.  The reports had better match his facts or heads will roll.  This is his alternate reality, a reality he created himself where he creates his own facts.  One phrase struck me long ago that was uttered by a Republican operative to a journalist.  "You just write about history, we are making history."  They certainly are.  And they are also writing it with this "Path to 9/11" crap.  11/7 will be the tipping point deciding whether this nation can endure as a democracy or becomes a police state.  "Things would be a lot easier if this was a dictatorship, and I was the dictator, of course." G. W. Bush.  11/7 will decide if things get easier for Bush and Cheney. It is that serious.

      Everybody eats, nobody hits.

      by upperleftedge on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:14:49 PM PDT

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  •  Years ago (2+ / 0-)
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    I said that Rice's only (and only needed) skill set was pathological lying.

    I don't know how she stands herself, each day looking in the mirror, deciding how to lie in a new and inventive way.  She must not have a soul.

    What is essential is invisible.

    by bebimbob on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:57:29 PM PDT

  •  The latest (0+ / 0-)
    big deception has been "you can't negotiate with terrorists". We will hear more of this. While that is probably true the real issue here is polling of moderate Muslims who won't exactly stop a terrorist from killing someone.

    Benjamin Moore Paints, Bosch tools and appliances, and Thermador sponsor Desperate Housewives on ABC.

    by LandSurveyor on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:58:01 PM PDT

  •  Zarqawi's death made a big difference, didn't it? (2+ / 0-)
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    nasarius, Rex Manning

    Seemed a good time to mention that, since Zarqawi's name came up in some of georgia10's cites.

    "It means that we can't be scared out of who we are. And that's victory, folks." -- Lt. Cmdr. Charles Swift

    by RT on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:59:36 PM PDT

  •  Meet the Press (3+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, lilnubber, Rex Manning

    Secretary Rice might want to watch the video of Meet the Press. Cheney was supposed to have her back but his levees got breached.  

    "I'm not ready to make nice." Dixie Chicks

    by enough on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 02:59:40 PM PDT

  •  I just hope reporters (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Rex Manning

    keep asking questions about this. I'm going to write the newspapers in the area about this one! We need to keep this in circulation.

  •  You and your... (1+ / 0-)
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    Rex Manning

    ...silly reality based community! Doncha know Condy and her team are here to make history?! We'll be here to study it and ponder it in our ivory towers. Meanwhile the mighty Wife of the President Secretary of State will be busy making history happen!

    Creative Juices "I thought you were going to ask me about the pig." -GWB

    by MichaelPH on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:00:38 PM PDT

  •  Nabisco (5+ / 0-)
    ran commercials during the Path to 911 movie promos on

    That's NABISCO

    Benjamin Moore Paints, Bosch tools and appliances, and Thermador sponsor Desperate Housewives on ABC.

    by LandSurveyor on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:04:20 PM PDT

  •  "had relations with" (1+ / 0-)
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    Interesting language for a lie.  Is Bush deliberately riffing on Clinton's "I did not have relations with that woman"?    

    •  Perhaps (1+ / 0-)
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      As recently as two weeks ago, President Bush said at a news conference that Mr. Hussein "had relations with Zarqawi.''

      Surely Bush couldn't have meant that.  If he did, wouldn't that destroy his marriage with Laura?

      Resisting the Conservation of Joementum

      by LIsoundview on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 04:48:07 PM PDT

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  •  Bush And Condi Are Full Of Sh*t (4+ / 0-)

    But Cheney is a Seventh Degree Blackbelt Liar. It was good to see Timmah, for once, take him apart today. I thought Cheney was going to dive over the table at him.

  •  Cingular and Verizon (1+ / 0-)
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    are still running banner ads on

    Haven't seen any other telecoms...

    That's Cingular and Verizon.

    Benjamin Moore Paints, Bosch tools and appliances, and Thermador sponsor Desperate Housewives on ABC.

    by LandSurveyor on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:06:51 PM PDT

  •  The banality of evil (3+ / 0-)
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    Often when I think of people like Condi and other past and present members of this administration, the great Hannah Arendt's phrase "the banality of evil" (from her book Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil) comes to mind. Arendt understood, as should thos living in the present day, that crimes against humanity, such as those committed by Nazi germany, were the result not of monsters but of orinary people who simply and unquestionably accept the premises of their state, and who participate as good functionaries. Nevertheless, they were responsible for evil,

    Edward Herman says about the banality of evil that it refers to

    Doing terrible things in an organized and systematic way rests on "normalization." This is the process whereby ugly, degrading, murderous, and unspeakable acts become routine and are accepted as "the way things are done." There is usually a division of labor in doing and rationalizing the unthinkable, with the direct brutalizing and killing done by one set of individuals; others keeping the machinery of death (sanitation, food supply) in order; still others producing the implements of killing, or working on improving technology (a better crematory gas, a longer burning and more adhesive napalm, bomb fragments that penetrate flesh in hard-to-trace patterns). It is the function of defense intellectuals and other experts, and the mainstream media, to normalize the unthinkable for the general public. The late Herman Kahn spent a lifetime making nuclear war palatable (On Thermonuclear War, Thinking About the Unthinkable), and this strangelovian phoney got very good press. ~

    In an excellent article entitled "Normalizing the unthinkable," in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists of March 1984, Lisa Peattie described how in the Nazi death camps work was "normalized" for the long-term prisoners as well as regular personnel: "[P]rison plumbers laid the water pipe in the crematorium and prison electricians wired the fences. The camp managers maintained standards and orderly process. The cobblestones which paved the crematorium yard at Auschwitz had to be perfectly scrubbed." Peattie focused on the parallel between routinization in the death camps and the preparations for nuclear war, where the "unthinkable" is organized and prepared for in a division of labor participated in by people at many levels. Distance from execution helps render responsibility hazy. "Adolph Eichmann was a thoroughly responsible person, according to his understanding of responsibility. For him, it was clear that the heads of state set policy. His role was to implement, and fortunately, he felt, it was never part of his job actually to have to kill anyone."

    Peattie noted that the head of MlT's main military research lab in the 1960s argued that "their concern was development, not use, of technology." Just as in the death camps, in weapons labs and production facilities, resources are allocated on the basis of effective participation in the larger system, workers derive support from interactions with others in the mutual effort, and complicity is obscured by the routineness of the work, interdependence, and distance from the results.

    Peattie also pointed out how, given the unparalleled disaster that would follow nuclear war, "resort is made to rendering the system playfully, via models and games." There is also a vocabulary developed to help render the unthinkable palatable: "incidents," "vulnerability indexes," "weapons impacts," and "resource availability." She doesn't mention it, but our old friend "collateral damage," used in the 1991 Persian Gulf War, came out of the nukespeak tradition.


    Like Christy Whitman telling 911 victims to go right ahead and breath clean air, and like Alberto Gonzalez rationalizing police state and torture techniques, Rice is yet another example of the absence of honesty, compassion, or basic decency and morality which characterizes this administration in particular. Hannah Arendt would be having a field day trying to keep up with the lies and the atrocities.

    One can only hope that the whole lot of them meet a similar fate as Eichmann, who, of course, was captured by Israeli Mossad agents in Argentina, indicted by Israeli court on 15 criminal charges, including charges of crimes against humanity, and war crimes. He was convicted and executed by hanging.

    Stop bitching and start a revolution!

    by Randian on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:07:55 PM PDT

    •  those (0+ / 0-)

      'Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.' -- George Santayana

      "Those who do not read and understand history are doomed to repeat it." - Harry Truman

      since Bush was too busy reading Camus and My Pet Goat -- i guess he did have to read Hannah Arendt

      He may talk like an idiot, and look like an idiot, but don't let that fool you: he really is an idiot. Send him back to his father and brothers...

      by distributorcap on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:11:03 PM PDT

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  •  She is just another lying sack of shit. (4+ / 0-)

    I can't believe that no one calls her on this on the air(Oh yeah, it's Fox).

    Another ad I see.

    Bush says "Iraq not behind 9/11"
    Al Qaeda behind 9/11

    Condi says "Iraq has ties to AQ"

    Bush says "connecting Iraq to 9/11 is my hardest job"

    -6.5, -7.59. If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

    by DrWolfy on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:09:35 PM PDT

    •  you can't make this stuff up (1+ / 0-)
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      this is a perfect I Love Lucy Episode

      George Bush: And that's an Ultimatum.
      Lucy: An ultimatum?
      Ethel: Well, I'm not surprised.
      Lucy: I am. I didn't think he knew how to pronounce it.

      He may talk like an idiot, and look like an idiot, but don't let that fool you: he really is an idiot. Send him back to his father and brothers...

      by distributorcap on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:13:20 PM PDT

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  •  Bush should ask Disney for a Job (1+ / 0-)
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    He tells more lies than Captain Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean.

    •  Why? He's already thier employee, along with (1+ / 0-)
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      the rest of his corporate masters!  Richest cabinent of ex-business-sucks in history!  The "CEO" President with an "MBA".  

      What a fucking joke!  Only, this country is the butt of it and we are this country!!!

  •  as a friend once noted (1+ / 0-)
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    in an editorial about lying puppets:  call her Pinocchio.

    The trouble with practical jokes is that they often get elected. -Will Rogers

    by stonemason on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:10:59 PM PDT

  •  wow. (0+ / 0-)

    i appreciate the recording of each and every infraction of these lies... at this point, i assume each and every high-level admin position is filled by insane people. they don't know right from wrong - lies from truth. impeach them all, one by one.

  •  I hope Halifax has a noisy welcome in store (0+ / 0-)

    come Wednesday. Much as my Maritime cousins love to bullshit, I know for sure that they don't like it on an official level.

    the blue sea seethes with reason

    by howth of murph on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:14:17 PM PDT

  •  I Just Wished... (0+ / 0-)

    I had some air tanks...'Cause the smell of the s*** is going to get over-whelming until we chase some of these a**holes out of office in November...

    Take Care All... PLHeart..

    by PLHeart on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:15:50 PM PDT

  •  Hitler's willing executioners (3+ / 0-)
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    tzt, jfadden, goodasgold

    by David Goldenhagen.

    the majority population bought into the solution philosophy.

    even now, we have a substantial minority in the country fully accepting of the Bush propaganda.

    it's just scary what these guys are capable of doing.

  •  Not only THAT, she said (2+ / 0-)
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    Secret CIA prisons should not be closed: Rice
    Sep 10, 2006, 18:58 GMT
    Washington - The United States' network of secret overseas CIA prisons, to which US President George W Bush finally admitted earlier this week, should not be closed down, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Sunday.

    So not only lying, but breaking international law and the Geneva conventions, too.

    She's all for it!

    These people personify the worst of humanity.

    Absolute dreck.

    The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer -- Henry Kissinger

    by theyrereal on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:16:21 PM PDT

  •  What do you expect from the person (1+ / 0-)
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    who "couldn't imagine" someone flying a plane into building, even though someone had flown a small plane into the White House when Clinton was President. This is the same person that was waiting for someone to tell them to take "action" based on the Aug 6 PDB. After all it was chock full of historical information, never mind the fact that the analyst made their assessment in the title and the body of the document was the information that led the analyst to believe that Osama "intended to attack in the United States", but all that would require imagination you know like the imagination that she is using now to imagine that Iraq was cooperating with Al Qa'ida.

    Those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither. (Paraphrasing B. Franklin)

    by p a roberson on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:19:15 PM PDT

  •  Condolezza Rice is a liar. (1+ / 0-)
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    Donald Rumsfeld is a liar.
    Dick Cheney is a liar.
    George W. Bush is both an idiot and a liar.

    It's as simple as that. There is no dignity to be found in this administration. I doubt there ever was, even five years ago just after 9/11. It has been politically calculated all along. Anyone who believes otherwise ... well, there's no hope for you, because you will believe anything.

    "Fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." --George W. Bush

    by RevJoe on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:21:45 PM PDT

  •  CONSPIRACY!! Any one who thinks this has (1+ / 0-)
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    not all been planned and coordinated, friday dumps of damaging info while the servants and dupes of Bu$hitco keep "launching the propoganda" are floating in a vat of kool-aid.  They need to stop making "tinfoil hats" and peel the tinfoil from their eyes already.

    These criminals are in big trouble with the upcoming elections.  They can only keep on stealing when the polls are within reason.  Now, with polls so bad against everything Republican, an dBuhs in particular, what will they do?  We can only keep ignoring exit polls (the gold standard everywhere else except this "bastion" of "Democracy") for so long.

    Propoganada blitz of the likes never seen with this ABS/Disney crap.  I suspect that is only the first big salvo, more is being saved up.  More and more distractions, of course.  Ignore laws on the books while criminal activities are committed.  Chage laws to give s free pass to all afterward.  Suppress radical critics first (Mike Malloy?) then go after the more middle of the road critics AND the Internet!!  

    Finally, who thinks we won't have another terror attack at the "opportune" moment?  If not that, then let the Dems take 2006 and call them "obstructionists" for the economy and "war".  Then let them take 2008 and watch the upcoming great depression of 2009 bury them as they are blamed for it all!!!  

    Sheep have very short memories so the takeover will then be complete!

  •  Kerry (!!!) kicking ASS on CSPAN now 6:30 EST (2+ / 0-)
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    I guess he's got lots of dry powder

  •  Hell...That Blazing Saddles Idea... (1+ / 0-)
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    would be hysterical for all of them...Can't you just see Bush doing Mel Brooks line while signing paperwork..."Work Work Work Work..."
    Even Dick Cheney Would Be Hysterical...
    "Work Work Work Work..."
    Too bad they haven't realized they haven't gotten a f***ing thing done...

    Take Care All... PLHeart..

    by PLHeart on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:28:31 PM PDT

  •  She was on FOX? (0+ / 0-)

    Huh. I fast-forwarded past her on CBS and CNN. What other shows was she on that I didn't see - and didn't miss?

    Between her and Cheney's appearance on MTP, you would think the administration was on a Sunday morning desperation tour.

  •  Saddam "had relations with Zarqawi?" (4+ / 0-)

    Sounds like Dubyah's been watching South Park again.

  •  Yeah, yeah, yeah (2+ / 0-)
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    How many times must we go through this cycle of spin the bullshit followed by reality-based rebuttal? It became manifestly clear literally YEARS ago that these people are not part of the truth-telling or reality-based community. Hell, they SAID so, as Ron Suskind noted a while back, and are damn proud of it.

    All I want to know is, do they continue to go on with these monumentally idiotic and crazy assertions because they're stupid, crazy, or just plain dishonest? Seriously, which of these most aptly describes WHY they continue in this vein? I know that it's a combination of all three. I'm just curious to know which one is most predominant.

    Personally, I think they're mostly crazy. You can't be this stupid in the fact of a reality that massively rebuts such thinking without being batshit crazy. And I swear, every time that Madame Supertanker opens her mouth and smiles her toothy smile, I'm convinced that she's literally not quite right in the head--as none of her cohorts are.

    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

    by kovie on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:38:23 PM PDT

  •  There are also ties between Condoleeza.... (0+ / 0-)

    ...and Ferragamo. Closer ties than there were between Saddam and Al Qaeda.

    "I am my brother's keeper. I am a Democrat." -- That's your slogan, Democrats.

    by Bensdad on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:40:28 PM PDT

  •  Condi reminds me (1+ / 0-)
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    of the nanny in the 1st 'The Omen'.  Very creepy.

    "We need to focus on this terrorism issue," Clinton said during a White House news conference. July 30, 1996

    by x on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 03:41:01 PM PDT

  •  wait, wait. where is that big ASS (0+ / 0-)

    death mask portrait of al-z in the gilded frame??

    don't tell me ...

    Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

    by MarketTrustee on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 04:01:17 PM PDT

  •  CSpan's Washington Journal (0+ / 0-)
    I like to watch CSpan's Washington Journal to hear viewpoints from the public call-ins.  One recent guest was Senator Peter King discussing the legislation to further destroy our Constitution (my words, NOT zombie King).  I was shocked at his behavior when a Democrat called in to challenge King's lies and he responded by saying "the caller isn't thinking clearly." I'm not sure when it became exceptable for a government representative to publicly call a citizen an idiot.  

    The relationship between voters and our representatives is suffering from a severe lack of respect.  It needs to change.

  •  You completely nailed her as I'm sure Fox did not (0+ / 0-)

    If Fox doesn't watch out they are going to become as much of a joke as ABC/Disney.

  •  Throughout history (2+ / 0-)
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    there have been numerous examples of fascist and dictator type of govts and leaders at the head of countries, in almost every instance those govts were led by people that feared education and intellectual power, we here at home are going through one of those periods now, hopefully our nation is resilient enough to survive, it will be a struggle but well worth the effort.

  •  suppose its true (0+ / 0-)

    that there were  Iraq-Alqueda ties.  Is it even arguable that those ties were stronger than Pakistan - Alqueda, or Saudi - Alqueda ties? They are flailing madly at anything and everything, hoping that something will keep them afloat. Problem is, they have 6 years of brickheavy lies dragging them down, not to mention the Souls of the Lost Innocents holding on to their ankles

    Good news! Jimmy found the salt! C'mon by with some limes!

    by Van Buren on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 04:47:40 PM PDT

  •  Sen Carl Levin a good intro resource (1+ / 0-)
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    DSPS owl

    Levin has a good beginning list of BushCo
    operatives' statements juxtaposed with the
    findings of the Intelligence Committee

  •  There sure was a link between Saddam and 9/11 (0+ / 0-)

    The Bush administration

    <div style="color: navy">"There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come."</div>

    by vanguardia on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 04:51:37 PM PDT

  •  Optimist! (0+ / 0-)

    The release of the Phase II report, incomplete as it may be, at least serves to remind the American people of one thing: that this is an administration addicted to lies, ...

    You're an optimist, Georgia.  A report released doesn't get into people's heads by osmosis.  You think they're interested in learning this?  In giving up believing in the lies?

  •  Saddam has refuted this in his famous quote: (0+ / 0-)

    "I did not have relations with that terrorist."

    But seriously, I think I get the administration's game: lie about the al-Qaida/Saddam connection in public, admit there was no connection privately, and confuse the hell out of the public to the point where they just shrug their shoulders and believe what BushCo is saying.

    "I told them on Inauguration Day. I said look into my eyes: no new enhancements." - President Johnny Gentle (Famous Crooner)

    by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 06:28:37 PM PDT

  •  Bloggers: Bush aided al Qaeda and hurt America! (0+ / 0-)

    Bloggers can set the terms of the national debate.

    What can sink Bush/Cheney in the fall election is the charge that the Iraq invasion worked to strentghen Al Qaeda and global terrorism and weaken America.  And continues on and on. Are they patrots?

    The facts support the case. Al Qaedan was crushed by our Afghanistan forces.  
    The Iraq invasion was a gift to bin Laden.  The global network rebounded and became the real threat it is today.  Iraq gave jihadists a bse from which to kill American soldiers, foment sectarian violence and pin down American forces.  Stay the course puts Bush and cheney in bed with Osama bin Laden.  It insures indefinite bleeding of American lives, resources, and influence.

    Bush/Cheney are playing the terrorist game at great cost to the US.  This is where the national debate should be.
    It will put Bush/Cheney and Republican congressional incumbents on the defensive and cause Republican voters already worried about Iraq to rethink theit votes  And once it's in the
    pubic arena, the charge won't go away.  

    This charge goes beyone iraq failure abd dustraction.  It couldn't be worse: Bush/Cheney are helping the enemy and hurting America! Are they patrots?

    Boggers, it's up to you to get it in t he public arean and make history!

    For a 430 word piece on tis theme, email me at

  •  Con-dee lies again? (0+ / 0-)

    Yeah thats right Saddam was stupid enough to make nice with guys who put out a Fatwa(death warrant)on him,and we thought only Disney could come up with complete fiction.Is there one single honest person left in this lying administration?

  •  Text of the Phase II documents (0+ / 0-)

    Admittedly poor quality OCR-ing, but better than nothing for searching:

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