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It appears Harvey Mansfield (how appropriate) has made the definitive Manly statement concerning Dumbya, saying that he possess two very manly qualities, boldness and determination. Did he ever stop to consider that they actually may be arrogance and stubbornness? Nah. That would be too obvious a conclusion. Best to word play and double speak. Or mabye he really means that Dumbya is a Manly Man and he does things in a Manly Way while sailing aboard the Raging Queen.
Some pearls of manliness from Mr. Mansfiled:
George W. Bush. Bush is bold and determined, two manly qualities, and his critics consider him over-manly, not unmanly. But don't forget that manliness is not all of virtue.

To resist rape a woman needs more than martial arts and more than the police; she needs a certain ladylike modesty enabling her to take offense at unwanted encroachment. In my experience it is difficult for a man who is attracted to a woman not to find her cute, rather than intimidating, when she gets angry.
More after the fold.

Manliness I take to be confidence in a situation of risk. That can be a question of danger, and it can also be a question where your authority is contested. So put those two together and you've got a sizable risk, say, a battle. And manly confidence and manliness means an ability to take charge or to be authoritative in that situation. Women also have confidence, but they don't seek out situations of risk the way the way that manly men do. Manliness can be a virtue. It isn't necessarily a virtue. You can have confidence in a situation of risk -- if you're very evil as the Islamic hijackers attacking the World Trade Center, that kind of manliness. So manliness by itself, I would say, is a quality, and it has to be refined or improved to make it a virtue.

Feminism abolished the idea of femininity but only wounded manliness. It claimed and still claims that women can be as manly as men, but on condition that manliness is redefined in the direction of womanly sensitivity. Manly men did not fight back because they are not in the habit of fighting women, and because we all believe in democratic equality.

We should want to raise boys to be manly. I don't see any other way than to introduce them to the things expected of men as a sex. And to the things to be expected of women. Boys are very aware of their sex, but our education today asks them to ignore it. This serves only to confuse them.

QUESTION: You've taught both William Kristol and Andrew Sullivan. Would you say that Bill Kristol is a manly man?

MANSFIELD: Yes, I would very much, and so is Andrew. To do what Andrew Sullivan has done takes a lot of courage. He came out of the closet, which was kind of a manly act. And he has been one of the first and one of the most successful bloggers. And there he takes his own path, no doubt influenced by his sexuality, but still full of reason and emphasis.

Originally posted to DontBugMeMan on Sat Sep 16, 2006 at 03:31 PM PDT.


Is George W. Bush a wimp like his dad?

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  •  Oh, yes, Bush is so Manly. (8+ / 0-)

    A real manly man would join a "champaign unit" of the National Guard in order to avoid actual combat.

    What a stud.
  •  The pseudo-manliness... (4+ / 0-)

    ...of the alcoholic.

    Teacher's Lounge opens each Saturday, sometime between 10am and 12 noon EST

    by rserven on Sat Sep 16, 2006 at 03:32:03 PM PDT

  •  This is really crazy.... (11+ / 0-)

    Harvey Mansfield is the William R. Kenan Jr. professor of government at Harvard University.

    To resist rape a woman needs more than martial arts and more than the police; she needs a certain ladylike modesty enabling her to take offense at unwanted encroachment.

    Apparently if you are modest and ladylike, no one will cut open your screen and come in your window and rape you.  This reasoning is laughable.  And they say we feminists are humorless.  hehehe very funny.  

    You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

    by murrayewv on Sat Sep 16, 2006 at 03:32:16 PM PDT

  •  I don't get it (2+ / 0-)
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    Are Red State or Red County men less manly than their Blue State counterparts?  I mean I see Dubya as this sniveling, cowardly, little wimp.  He comes across as such a condescending know it all asshole who's always had someone else fight his battles for him.  A real man is one who can admit his mistakes.  A real man is a man who's comfortable with himself and doesn't have to start wars to make himself feel more masculine.  

    I guess Red State men are the types who need to get way drunk and start fights in order to prove their manhood.  Blue State men, on the other hand, are comfortable with their masculinity.  I mean, who wants to bet that Dubya has an extremely tiny dick?  That would explain his agressive nature and his extreme need for war.  To make up for his lack of size, he needs to lash out.  I say that we'll pay for him to get a dick enlargement provided that he, Cheney, Condo Rice, and all the others in the "Genius Brigade" resign from office and leave power.  

  •  Bill Kristol? (6+ / 0-)

    This guy thinks Bill Kristol is a manly man.

    QUESTION: You’ve taught both William Kristol and Andrew Sullivan. Would you say that Bill Kristol is a manly man?

    MANSFIELD: Yes, I would very much, and so is Andrew.

    I mean, give me a break.  Time for a masculinity intervention.  If this jackass tninks Kristol is a manly man, then it's time to laugh him out of the room.

    "Because in a barroom brawl, I want William Kristol by my side!"

    "I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together at Osama's homo-abortion-pot-and-commie-jizzporium." - Jon Stewart

    by Slim Tyranny on Sat Sep 16, 2006 at 03:38:23 PM PDT

  •  For some reason (1+ / 0-)
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    I was thinking of this exact same Saturday Nite Live skit today, and was trying to come up with the name of the ship :-) Thanks for providing. I can still see John Belushi bellowing "Men! MANLY MEN!!!" tee-hee...

  •  See Him in Person.... (1+ / 0-)
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    On Colbert Report

    Start with a grunt.   He thinks Margaret Thatcher was manly.  

    What has feminism done to us?  What is the proper role for women in society.  Women can earn 1/3 of the income in their career and 2/3 if the housework.

    You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

    by murrayewv on Sat Sep 16, 2006 at 03:51:58 PM PDT

  •  The manly manliness of the deeply troubled, (3+ / 0-)
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    maniacally repressed latent homosexual.  A man whose sexuality is so twisted and frightening to himself that he affects a Texas twang, though he is the most effete of the effete.  And to further affect a cartoonish semblance of manliness he walks with a corn cob up his ass and calls it a swagger.  A man whose ass I could kick without breaking a sweat, yet one who I would make cry publicly before I did it.  Then he would pee himself.  So that I wouldn't beat him up because I wouldn't want to get his pee on me.  

    George W. Bush is a a little bitch.  I call him Bitchito.  His manliness rivals only Liberace.  No role model here, this George W. Bush.

    If we're dumb. Then God is dumb. And maybe a little ugly on the side.

    by Ghost of Frank Zappa on Sat Sep 16, 2006 at 04:06:02 PM PDT

    •  Ha! You made me picture (0+ / 0-)

      Steve Martin in "All of Me"--the courtroom scene where Lily Tomlin was supposed to have taken over his body and she was trying to act like a guy.  I think there was a John Wayne walk, and I think she snorted a booger out of his nose at one point.  This is what effete people do when they are trying to act manly--resort to stereotypes.  Do you suppose George got teased as a child about manly things?

  •  A Manly Cheerleader Indeed! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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  •  What is the most manly about Bush (1+ / 0-)
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    to me, is his manly way of walking.  I like how he walks with is arms arched away from his sides as though he is about to draw his guns, twirl them around on his fingers, shoot into the brush, blow in them, and then put them back in their holsters.  That to me is very, very hot.

    "The Future's So Bright, I Gotta Wear Shades."--Pat MacDonald

    by hopscotch1997 on Sat Sep 16, 2006 at 04:44:21 PM PDT

    •  If you like guns (2+ / 0-)
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      and men who know how to use them,  check out this one by Jesus' General.

      Do you already own a handgun? I bet you do, and I bet it's a .50 cal Desert Eagle with a custom barrel measuring a long, hard 14 inches, just like mine. Have you given your Desert Eagle a name?

      We must never lose it, or sell it, or give it away. We must never let them take it from us.

      by Fabian on Sat Sep 16, 2006 at 04:53:02 PM PDT

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    •  If you ever saw Gallegher (0+ / 0-)

      you've seen the skit where he does the very manly walk versus the very femme.  It's all in the height of the heels and how far the elbows are from the waist.

      For the record I think the only men in that family were Grandma Barbara of the "beautiful" mind and Laura.

      If the majority can vote away my rights today, then they can vote away yours tomorrow.

      by grada3784 on Sat Sep 16, 2006 at 05:18:09 PM PDT

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  •  Only Republicans can be "manly"? (0+ / 0-)

    Ofcourse, no liberal democrat need apply...we know that no matter how much they might strut and swagger its just a cover that the elite sissies assume.

  •  Hogwash (1+ / 0-)
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    This is the worst piece of drivel I've read in years. Sounds like the last gasps of a flailing man, grasping deseparately to an illusion of "strength" and "power" in an utterly defunctional notion of the masculine. He should try Robert Bly if he wants to talk about men being men in a strong and benevolent way, far more sophisticated than this drivel.

    Bush is weak. His "war president," "I'm the decider" bluster is a cover for his weakness. It is shocking how weak he is, the leader of the most powerful nation on earth (at least in military terms). One of the serious causative problems underlying the "War on Terra" (among multiple factors few seem interested in exploring) is the dominance of psychologically immature men and the relative absence of the influence of women who are themselves completely suppressed in the Muslim fundamentalist world and relatively supressed in the American Christian fundamentalist world.

    [Feminism] claimed and still claims that women can be as manly as men, but on condition that manliness is redefined in the direction of womanly sensitivity.

    This is absurd. As a woman, no self-respecting woman I know claims to be (or would want to be) "as manly as men" as though envious of the you-know-what. They are not interested in a homosexual relationship with men but a heterosexual one between a woman and a man.

    The "manly" Mr. Manfield is modeling on a caricature of feminism promulgated among illiterates who feel threatened by not only women but men. The men's movement, led by Bly, James Hillman, Jesse Ventura and others who have since come to the fore (supported and encouraged by most feminists and just plain average wives, mothers, daughters and lovers of men) has moved toward the state of "being a man" in its fullest potential -- not the macho masculine "manly" paper cut-out image Mansfield projects but, as Bly says, "the deep energy that gives rise to forceful action undertaken not without compassion but with resolve."

    The "soft male" is exactly what the men's movement works to move beyond because the soft male, while maternal and life-preserving, is not always life-giving. The latter is what women need and most women want which is why so many support this approach to male development. Mansfield should educate himself beyond the narrow confines of his personal ignorance and do some good for his fellow men.

    Bush is certainly not a "real man" in the sense of knowing himself separately from his identity with women like his mother and his wife. He harbors a cruelty that one would hope is not a native attribute of being "manly." Any man who has to stuff himself into a flight suit and pretend machismo landing on an aircraft carrier is a one-dimensional wonder of no strength of character and no true power (that is, respect) in the world.

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