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Blue Jersey busts Kean campaign spokeswoman Jill Hazelbaker for trolling his site. You gotta love those concern trolls.

But my favorite is this hilarious exchange in the Blue Jersey comment boards -- AFTER the site exposes the Kean concern trolling:

This is sad (0.00 / 0)

This is a truly sad day for the bluejersey.  Covering NJ like a rug?  Maybe you'd have a shot if you focused on actual campaign issues.  As an ardent democrat who used to enjoy reading this blog, I am frankly disapointed at the turn bluejersey has taken.  You're wrong if you think our generation is only interested in personal attacks...and the personal attacks aren't even on the candidates, but their staff.  A new low point guys.  Good job.  Keep up the great work.

by: blueforever06 @ Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 10:16:24 AM EDT

LOL, Hi Jill!

Seriously, what is wrong with you guys?

This is sad (0.00 / 0)
IP Address: 70.90.20.85
This is a truly sad day for the bluejersey.  Covering NJ like a rug?  Maybe you'd have a shot if you focused on actual campaign issues.  As an ardent democrat who used to enjoy reading this blog, I am frankly disapointed at the turn bluejersey has taken.  You're wrong if you think our generation is only interested in personal attacks...and the personal attacks aren't even on the candidates, but their staff.  A new low point guys.  Good job.  Keep up the great work.

by: blueforever06 @ Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 10:16:24 AM EDT

How is it that I can call you out on posting from Junior's campaign HQ and then... YOU KEEP DOING IT? Seriously, just stop it. It's laughable and embarrassing and a huge no-no in the world of the web. No one believes for a second that you're "an ardent democrat who used to enjoy reading this blog." It doesn't take an IP address to sniff out a concern troll from a mile away.

It looks really silly for your candidate that you're spending your time fighting with a blog. I mean, we're flattered and all, but you just keep making the joke funnier and funnier.

by: jmelli @ Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 10:32:58 AM EDT

It looks like Jill Hazelbaker has joined the Dan Gerstein school of Netroots management.  

p.s. I've got a cool Blue Jersey t-shirt I often wear with pride. Those guys are doing awesome work.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 09:30 AM PDT.

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  •  Go Blue Jersey! (5+ / 0-)

    Hey, the new IP address display for Admins is already paying off!

    All of you should start a SoapBlox!

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    by pacified on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 09:33:14 AM PDT

  •  GOP -- (1+ / 0-)
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    SallyCat

    Morans Morons getting busted.  Ya gotta laugh.

    BenGoshi
    ____________________________________________________

    We're working on many levels here. Ken Kesey

    by BenGoshi on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 09:33:35 AM PDT

    •  bunch of idiots (0+ / 0-)

      It's amazing really how they can get elected. Some, like that senature 'internet is a tube' guy, is beyond mind boggling.

      Maybe if they becomes corrupt enough, we can bribe them to stop breathing. That'll do it.

  •  Blue Jersey T-Shirt (1+ / 0-)
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    SallyCat

    I thought that ad on the left side of their site for Blue Jersey T-Shirts had a familiar looking model!

    LEFT LANE MUST TURN LEFT

    by Jdellaro on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 09:34:39 AM PDT

  •  Another proud graduate (8+ / 0-)

    of the Stevens Institute of Internets Tubery.

    Don't you get it yet? It's not incompetence. It's been the plan all along to destroy America.

    by voltayre on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 09:34:41 AM PDT

  •  I saw that, too! (1+ / 0-)
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    SallyCat

    That was the funniest thing about the whole incident!

  •  I think... (1+ / 0-)
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    SallyCat

    Someone needs to learn about proxy servers. :P

    Deny My Freedom
    "Inconvenient truths do not go away just because they are not seen." -Al Gore

    by PsiFighter37 on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 09:35:27 AM PDT

  •  Woo Hoo....never know who's the concern troll (0+ / 0-)

    That's the best stuff of the morning...way to go Bluejersey folks!

    It makes you wonder who's hiding behind the concern trolls here!

    All the problems we face in the United States today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian. Pat Paulsen

    by SallyCat on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 09:35:57 AM PDT

    •  Uh, um, well, I'm concerned! (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm concerned about your concern about the trolls.  It just seems that if you were really concerned, you would be concerned about important concerns and not about trolls.  So, my concern is, that I'm concerned that you're not concerned about the right stuff.

      As far as I'm concerned, I just won't concern myself with this site any more.

      Yours, with concern,

      Olltray

      P.S. My IP address is AOL, smarty pants.  Not that it's any of your concern!

  •  So those tubes go in both directions? (4+ / 0-)

    Gotta love the Republicans and their capacity for all things technical.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 09:36:20 AM PDT

  •  If she needs a new job, I hear Diebold is hiring. (1+ / 0-)
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    What happens on DailyKos, stays on Google.

    by Jon Meltzer on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 09:36:51 AM PDT

  •  talk-radio simile (4+ / 0-)
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    In 2003-2004 the wingnuts all over Talk Radio always had these "former democrats" calling in to proclaim their undying love for the republican party.  It was the same trolling nonsense, but on the radio, especially when republicans own every station, it's hard to prove they were shills.

    Here was standard Wingnut "caller" (shill) message:

    "Hi Wingnut!  I'm a former democrat, I voted for Clinton twice, but what's wrong with these guys?  Don't they understand this is the ultimate World War interstellar grudgematch Clash of the Titans worse-than-Nazis End Times?  I proudly love Dear Leader Bush and will support him no matter what.  And I really am a democrat, I promise!  I pinky swear!  I'm not a republican plant aimed at convincing on-the-fence listeners to be afraid to vote democrat!"

    Those plants used to crack me up.  Unfortunately I think a lot of listeners believed them.

  •  One has to wonder (3+ / 0-)
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    SallyCat, dss, lcbo

    What other psuedonymous adventures she is pursuing on her candidate's dime.

  •  NJ-Sen: Menendez ads on Kean Jr (4+ / 0-)

    are rolling ut more forcefully, sounding the theme that Kean Jr. is pro-Bush, pro-War. IMO, the timing is great, coming right as Bush is challenging the Iranian president at the UN. Hopefully, the polls will shift more toward Menendez, as the general public gets to see Kean Jr.'s really undistinguished record, and pro-Bush, pro-war policies. IMO, two great ad series in a row for Menendez: the ports commercial, and the pro-Bush, anti-war commercial. Sounds like good talent is working the issue, IMO.

    •  Exposing Jr. as Jr. is the key (3+ / 0-)
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      I hope Menendez's ads feature plenty of photos and footage of Kean Jr. to make it abundantly clear to voters that it's not his dad who's running. The confusion is the only thing that's kept the polls close till now, which there's no reason they should be in a Democratic state in a Democratic year. Once more people realize it's Jr. who's running, you should see his numbers take a nose-dive.

      •  Voter Confusion (1+ / 0-)
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        While this was an issue in early polls, the number of voters confusing him with is father is down to about 10% now, and most of those are (a) Republicans who would be voting for him anyway and (b) less informed voters who are less likely to vote. Rather, it seems that people actually like Kean, while a large portion of the public is ambivalent about Menendez's Hudson County history, while wanting to elect a Democrat.

  •  ErrinF U + Jill Hazelbarker = TLF (2+ / 0-)
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    jamfan, EconAtheist

    I'm getting all hot and bothered thinking about some hot Troll Love

  •  Understanding tech is our huge advantage (4+ / 0-)
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    Jett, SallyCat, bree, Buffy Orpington

    It's becoming increasingly clear that the Dems possess a huge hidden advantage over the Republicans this year.  WE understand technology andthe web and  they just  don't seem to get it.  

    Let's tote up the Republican casualties so far:

    • Ignorance of the power of Youtube, and the "always on camera" mentality it brings  has knocked two safe Republican Senate seats into hazard (Burns and Allen -hopefully soon both to be told to "say goodnight");
    • Schwarzenegger's campaign team has learned what the terms "secure directory" mean just a little to late,
    • Ted Stephen's now infamous "not a truck but a series of tubes" speech has made him the laughingstock of the country, and all but stalled his plan to destroy the internet to payoff a few huge telecoms
    • and who could forget our favorite honorary Republican, Joe Lieberman's famous accidental self destruction of his website on primary eve?

    I wonder how many more self inflicted Net-wounds the republicans can deal themselves in the next 60 days

    Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

    by Magorn on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 09:43:02 AM PDT

  •  The gang that couldn't lie straight (4+ / 0-)

    The Junior Kean campaign is a strange one.  It is doing relatively well, I suspect because of name confusion between Kean Sr, the former NJ governor and co-chairman of the 9/11 Commission, and the actual candidate, Kean Jr.  Yet the campaign itself stumbles from one embarrassing blunder to another.  Early this year, Junior missed his own fund-raiser where Dick Cheney appeared and raised a boatload of money for him.  Junior's excuse was that he was stuck in traffic, but most people think it is because he didn't want to be photographed beside the hated Cheney.  There have been other bits of foolishness, including its current, swift-boat styled effort to paint Senator Menendez as corrupt for something that was reviewed by the House Ethics Committee and found to be perfectly innocent, but this last one, where the gang-that-couldn't-lie-straight has taken to astroturfing Bluejersey.com, New Jersey's most progressive and (IMHO) influential web log, is the funniest.

  •  Jill Hazelbarker is so dumb! (1+ / 0-)
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    armadillo

    Jesus, i wonder how she feels right now, being exposed by the blogosphere lol.

    That must be very embarrasing.

  •  I'm not saying she needs to speak binary (1+ / 0-)
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    but she should at least know what an IP is before blogging.

    That's hilarious.

    There are two kinds of people in the world: Those who divide the world up into two kinds of people, and those who don't. - Gloria Steinem [-6.63|-5.38]

    by dj angst on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 09:44:36 AM PDT

  •  Just Remember What Started This (5+ / 0-)

    Xpatriated Texan of Blue Jersey found an article from 1996 that proved Menendez was not lying about receiving ethics approval for a rental property he had, though the Kean jr. people had been claining this was the worst corruption in the history of New Jersey.

    The whole Jill the Troll incident is because the kean jr. campaign had lost a false charge against Menendez and were trying to minimize the damage.

    Jill the Troll -- whoever she is from the campaign -- is in a panic, trying to make the Blue Jerseyans question their research. But the fact is she is proving Xpat's work right with her protests.

    The only problem is that this got picked up by just one reporter and very few blogs.  It's really big news, news that could stop the bleeding in NJ and help us to reverse course.

  •  BAAAHAHAHA (0+ / 0-)

    Sock puppetry.... DENIED!

    /beeyatch

  •  Surely you mean... (1+ / 0-)
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    It looks like Jill Hazelbaker has joined the Dan Gerstein school of Netroots management.

    The Lee Siegel school of sprezzatura?

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    We are all athiests about most of the gods that society has ever believed in - some of us just go one god further
    -- Richard Dawkin

    by deafmetal on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 09:54:17 AM PDT

  •  Does anyone know how to do this? (0+ / 0-)

    This may - repeat  - may be a problem with a couple of purity trolls over here.

    "It's better to realize you're a swan than to live life as a disgruntled duck."

    by Mumon on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 09:56:08 AM PDT

  •  Well (0+ / 0-)

    I don't think it's going to make or break this race. I mean, even though Kean's head PR person is posting on line, I am not sure if this will make or break this race. For while there are a lot of people who use the internet, outside of those who blog a lot (and it is still very few people out of the large population), I don't see it swinging people either way.

    http://www.keen.com/jiacinto For DC related travel advice, please visit that link.

    by jiacinto on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 09:57:28 AM PDT

  •  Blue Jersey does great work (2+ / 0-)
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    Blue Jersey does great work and this is a fine example.  It's also a fine example of campaign staffer stupidity - what was the point of this nonsense?  I suppose the Kean staff didn't consider the risk and embarassment of exposure, but what was the payoff?  Did they really imagine that these laughably transparent posts would convert Blue Jersey readers?  Whatever the case, let's hope they maintain this level of stupidity.

    And Kos is right, the Blue Jersey shirts are terrific and I'm glad to have finally picked one up this weekend.  I'd like to come across similarly cool shirts for other states' blogs.

    •  We should not be surprised (0+ / 0-)

      That they try this $#^@.  Heck, I wouldn't be surprised to find that some of us have been concern trolling Red blogs as well.  It's the season.  
      But what is surprising is that anyone in the Kean campaign would think that we wouldn't have radar for this sort of thing.  Sorry, guys, we have built in BS detectors.  Whatever psychological study you are reading about Democrats leaves out the crucial exception: this is bloggers you are dealing with.  We are the avant garde.  We listen to our own drummers.  We lead.  

      -3.63, -4.46 "Choose something like a star to stay your mind on- and be staid"

      by goldberry on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 10:57:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  NJ Troll (0+ / 0-)

    is this the same as the infamous Jersey Devil, sighted lurking in the Pine Barrens?

  •  Note that the troll said dems should NOT attack. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Lee Siegel works for the Kean campaign? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    Scott Shields

    another shock troop in the Class War

    by exiled texan on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 11:03:55 AM PDT

  •  At the risk of sounding like an idiot (0+ / 0-)

    how exactly DOES one identify a specific person by the IP Address, it's not like there is an IP address book out there,

    •  If you look at the full post (0+ / 0-)

      (follow the link that kos put in at the top), they got an email which came from the Kean campaign. Emails are usually stamped with the originating IP address in the header. Then, compare that IP address with the IP address of the commenter (which is recorded by the blog software, and is visible to admins).

      Notice that the two numbers are the same...

      -dms

      Having trouble finding stuff on Daily Kos? This page has some handy hints and tricks.

      by dmsilev on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 11:43:20 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Troll rating (0+ / 0-)

    I was troll rated here once as a "troll troll" and have since reformed myself after being pointed to the FAQs. I don't get the concern trolls though. I think the folks on this site give them too much credit. I think most of them are just self loathing Republicans...

  •  Kean vs. Menendez (0+ / 0-)

    Looks like a fairly close Senate race based on the polls posted in another diary.  I hope the good folks at Blue Jersey really put it to Kean over this embarassing staff conduct, as well as his endorsement, errr "consulting" work, on the filthy lying attack job that is Disney/ABC's "Path to 9-11."

    •  close race (1+ / 0-)
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      Every poll in the past month has been within the MOE, but the big issue in the race remains Iraq - according to the PublicMind poll, it's costing Kean 11 points.

      And, like about 10% of NJ voters, I think you're getting Tom Kean, Jr., mixed up with his father.

      •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

        I was not sure they were same but quickly googled it, and obvioulsy did not check closely enough.  Oh well, the "apple does not far fall from the tree" eh?

        •  That's Junior's strategy (0+ / 0-)

          Junior's dad is still pretty popular in NJ, which is why Junior stopped using the "Jr" at the end of his name when he started running for Senate.  He is counting on name confusion getting him votes.  It's clear from what you wrote, Riff, that name confusion is at work.  

          What we in NJ have to do is identify exactly who Junior really is and then people may listen to the rest of the story.

          •  I sincerely wish you success (0+ / 0-)

            in turning things in a better direction in New Jersey.  We've quite a daunting task here in Texas.

            •  Clearing up name confusion (0+ / 0-)

              This story is a big help in clearing up name confusion.  The whole "Internet deception" thing and campaign dirty tricks angle is sexy enough that it has given the story legs, with the NY Times, Daily News, and Star Ledger having posted on it, and there are rumors that other media will pick it up.  It is still early enough in the race that people haven't figured out which Kean is in the race yet because they aren't paying that much attention.  A story like this, with enough appeal to get them paying attention, could help clarify that we are dealing with Junior.  And by making the deliberate attempt at name confusion another example of deception, it can create exactly the kind of "branding" you want to create for a candidate.  Junior's camp decided that they wanted to brand Senator Menendez as corrupt and they are doing that as hard as they can even though the story has no validity.  The result is that the "corruption" story (read that as "swift boat attempt") hasn't really caught fire, though it has hurt.  But getting a national profile as a liar will certainly work against Kean.

  •  we need NJ (0+ / 0-)

    all the hype about the states we might get close in --
    can anyone let me know why the NJ senate race is getting so little attention /help??

    Kean is a liar and an opportunist. His father smeared his 9/11 report legacy -- by selling out to the Path to 9/11 fabrication.
    All I hear is that the NJ race is close and the Repubicans are gleeful at the prospect of taking a generally blue state. WELL?? no outrage that we should hold the line in the blue states?? Let's shore up this race- we can win this -- let's pay attention !! we need every state we can get.

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