Daily Kos

UPDATED: WaPo Admits Howell Was Wrong

Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 07:24:01 AM PDT

Today's Washington Post contains the admission that should have been posted six days ago.  Predictably, it's buried in the middle of an article about the Post.blog fiasco, rather than in context of a discussion on Abramoff or the GOP scandals ... but it's there.

More below the fold.

On page A8, in an article titled "Deluge Shuts Down Post Blog" (update -- link fixed), the following passage appears:

The deluge, which overwhelmed the Web site's screening efforts, began after Howell wrote in a column published Sunday that disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff "had made substantial campaign contributions to both major parties."  That is incorrect.

The article goes on to repeat the new GOP spin point that Abramoff "directed clients to" contribute to the Dems -- something for which no evidence has yet emerged, but which may be more difficult to conclusively disprove.  The rest of the article bemoans the general lack of civility on the web.

It's a grudging and small admission of error, but it's a crack in the stone wall.  I doubt the Post will print any further retractions, but the paper is supposed to publish a new column by Howell tomorrow, and it'll likely touch on the "deluge."  If she tries to finagle this point -- namely, that she was wrong when she claimed Abramoff gave to Dems -- nail her.

My guess is that she won't say "I was wrong" in flat, unambiguous terms, but will instead be deliberately vague.  Some variation of her tag line in last Sunday's column (urging readers to "Stay tuned" for evidence tying top Dems to Abramoff's contributions), echoed in Jim Brady's interview with Hugh Hewitt (there's no evidence Abramoff gave to Dems "at this point") seems likely.  If so, we need to be prepared to point out that the Post has already contradicted that assertion.  There were no contributions, the FEC records show it, the Post has admitted it, move on.

To the extent that Howell tries to parrot the new GOP spin that Abramoff directed payments to Dems, we need to make them (1) prove it (so far, I've seen nothing showing Abramoff "directed" money to Dems) and (2) prove that it has anything to do with the bribery scandal Abramoff's dealings created.

It is exceedingly unlikely that Abramoff directed any payments to Democrats.  As has been ably pointed out elsewhere, the tribes represented by Abramoff already were contributors to various Democratic causes.  After Abramoff arrived, they lessened their contributions to the Dems and increased it to the GOP.  This is in keeping with the K Street Projects goal of freezing out the Democratic Party from sources of funding.  

The empirical data showing that Abramoff was playing one side of the street is no surprise: Abramoff was a lifelong GOP operative.  His goal was to crush the Democratic Party, not make friends there.  The assumption that he would have wanted his clients to give to both parties as a means of spreading their bets is contradicted by Abramoff's personal behavior (he never spread his money around in that way), and an unwarranted assumption that Abramoff had his client's interests, rather than his own, at heart.  In fact, Abramoff treated his client's funds like his own personal piggy bank.  There's no evidence at all that I'm aware of to believe he spent any of the money he controlled on behalf of any Dems.

Moreover, as others have pointed out, the Dems had no influence in this GOP-controlled graft business.  'Pubs and their allies wrote the legislation, snuck it into massive bills, strong-armed their members to get it passed, and then got it signed at the White House.  There was no place in the process for Dems, and Abramoff had no incentive to give them one.  Tribal money that went to Dems would not have been part of Abramoff's pay-to-play plans, and there's no evidence that they were.

UPDATE: In this subthread RonK cites evidence that Abramoff did, in fact direct the writing of some checks to Democrats. There are counterarguments to be made, not the least of which is that the source for this information appears to be a Republican lobbyist. But there is information out there, and it will be important to be aware of it to be able to put it in its proper place.

FURTHER UPDATE: Howell's latest column is now on the WaPo website. She complains about how mean everyone was to her, and runs the "what I meant to say was ..." dodge as expected, but her column contains this direct admission:

I wrote that he gave campaign money to both parties and their members of Congress. He didn't.

And this:

It's not a bipartisan scandal; it's a Republican scandal, and that's why the Republicans are scurrying around trying to enact lobbying reforms.

It certainly took long enough, but I don't doubt for a minute that this correction would never have happened without the efforts of everyone who made this issue their own. Good work.

Lest anyone think that this is a huge victory -- it's pretty sad when just getting the truth into a major paper counts as a win. But it does, in three ways: 1. The truth sees the light of day; 2. Our side gets talking points it can use (this is a Republican scandal); and, perhaps most importantly 3. We've found that we can strike back in a way that influences the public discourse, however obliquely. The Republicans didn't get the MSM to reflexively kiss their asses overnight; and we're never going to achieve that same level of obeisance. But we've demonstrated that we can bring the pain, too ... and if we keep it up, they may be a little more wary of spewing out Republican lies next time.

Tags: Washington Post, activism, Jack Abramoff, Deborah Howell, Recommended, contracts, propaganda (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

Permalink | 173 comments

  •  No way for Howell to plead ignorance on this (4.00 / 16)

    one.  Howard Dean's statements on Wolf Bltzer's show were all over the media.  She knew that what she was saying was wrong.  Did she really think nobody was paying attention to her?

    So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard -6.88, -5.33

    by illinifan17 on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 07:26:55 AM PDT

    •  If she did, she'll get her wish from now on. (4.00 / 7)

      -6.88/-5.64 * We won! We won!.... Now back on your heads.

      by John West on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 07:32:57 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The hell she will. (4.00 / 2)

        I'll personally comb every letter of every column she ever writes again, and shout any inconsistency from every rooftop I can find.

        Like Gannon before her, this media whore is out of business.

        Fool me once, I'll punch you in the fucking head.

        by HollywoodOz on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 03:56:26 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Obvious question (none / 1)

        Somebody should ask direct and obvious question to Howell,

        1. Has she received any payment, favor or position in exchange for her to push GOP talking point.

        2. Is she lying?

        DIRECT QUESTION. POINT BLANK.

        Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)

        by fugue on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 04:06:11 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Maybe... (3.85 / 20)

      ...she was waiting for her check from Bushco to clear the bank.
      •  We need to ask her (3.89 / 19)

        if she has received any payola. Pressure her to make a statement one way or another.
        •  naah. (4.00 / 2)

          I would be stunned if any reporters from reputable news sources were ever on the take.  You don't advance in the profession long enough to get to the WaPo to piss it all away on something so rinky-dink.
          •  There not necessarily bribed by cash. (4.00 / 7)

                 Prestige, access to power can also be alluring.

            CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

            by irate on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 10:16:49 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Make her deny it herself (4.00 / 4)

            Any newspsper ombudsman should WANT to answer questions such as:

            Did you take any money from Republicans?  She probably didn't.

            Did you get anything else?  
            Golf trips?  Probably not.  
            Invitations to parties? Probably.  
            Were they something of value?  Maybe not for the 'fine company' or 'scintillating conversation'; maybe for good food and booze and bragging rights; PROBABLY for access to news sources and politically inside information and news tips.  

            Does that make you a whore?  Good question.  Maybe not, or not necessarily, but the question should NOT be dismissed out of hand.  
            Does that mean you're not a good journalist?  It does if you're not honest with your readers and yourself about the potential to be compromised.

            It's hard to imagine how the relationship between politicians and the reporters who write about them could be kept 'arms-length'; but they shouldn't be in bed together.

            We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

            by david78209 on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 12:18:44 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  That's right (none / 0)

            That's what protects the Post and the New York Times from scandals, for example, in which their top reporters make up stories. It just can't happen.
            •  yeah, well . . . (none / 0)

              . . . there's a typology for the plagiarists (Glass, Cooke, Blair) which doesn't fit Powell, so far as I know -- it's the age/ambition/inexperience mix.
              •  May be. (none / 0)

                And I don't want to get too cynical. But until those cases happened I would have confidently predicted that plagiarism was very, very unlikely at that level.

                Howell has parrotted outright lies -- "Abramoff gave money to both parties" -- as an ombudsman. She isn't on deadline, she is expected to check facts more closely than the reporters she covers.

                The only reason I discount the idea that she is on the take is: wouldn't a paid shill do a better job of making the story plausible?

          •  More Questions Daily (none / 0)

            Part of the reason that people get away with this is that they are not suspected.  

            It would not have occurred to me that Peter Ferrara (a leading Republican advocate of changes to the Social Security system) would be paid to write op-ed columns (other than the compensation he received for his think tank work).  Who would think that a lawyer would do this?

            The real question is why newspapers are not requiring journalists to provide copies of their federal income tax returns to expose outside sources of income or to require op-ed columnists to establish that their thoughts are not for sale.  

    •  buried in some WaPo story (3.90 / 20)

      are indications that Abramoff instructed client tribes to give less money to the Democrats than in previous election cycles (and yes, the tribes followed his advice). Can someone dig up that quote? Abramoff would have preferred his clients to cut Democrats off completely, but it would have raised suspicions.

      We need to begin seeing 'before and after' comparisons for individual tribal donations to Repubs and Dems, to better illustrate the nature of Abramoff's advice.

      •  Good story at Bloomberg (4.00 / 19)

         "Between 2001 and 2004, Abramoff gave more than $127,000 to Republican candidates and committees and nothing to Democrats, federal records show. At the same time, his Indian clients were the only ones among the top 10 tribal donors in the U.S. to donate more money to Republicans than Democrats."

        snip...

        "Abramoff's tribal clients continued to give money to Democrats even after he began representing them, although in smaller percentages than in the past.

        The Saginaw Chippewas gave $500,500 to Republicans between 2001 and 2004 and $277,210 to Democrats, according to a review of data compiled by Dwight L. Morris & Associates, a Bristow, Virginia-based company that tracks campaign-finance reports. Between 1997 and 2000, the tribe gave just $158,000 to Republicans and $279,000 to Democrats."

        Link

        •  So in other words (4.00 / 12)

          Abramoff rips off Native Americans, and the Native Americans go on to donate money to Democrats. They donate to the OPPOSING party of the guy that ripped them off. When Repubs say 'clients' it should really be 'victims', and we should make a point of that.

          What a friggin' joke. It's like a mugger robbing an old lady, the old lady hires a PI to track the guy down. Then the mugger claiming his victim donated equally to both the criminals and the detectives, so therefore both the mugger AND the detective are guilty by association with the crime. What a bunch of bull.

          The ONLY thing the Republicans are successful in is marketing their talking points to the public.

          by jeffwass on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 09:34:33 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Thanks for this link (4.00 / 5)

          I just had to send it to Lou Dobbs.  Told him to put this in his pipe and smoke it!!!

          http://www.cnn.com/...

          Republicans don't have 60 votes, and it doesn't seem to bother them one bit.

          by dkmich on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 10:22:48 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Oh, the irony. (4.00 / 12)


      Here we have the ombudsman being corrected by the very newspaper that she is supposed to monitor.

      Headline: Ombudsman Ombudded In Race to Bottom.  

    •  Evidence (4.00 / 7)

      Hang on -- The Post's assertion that "Abramoff directed contributions to Democrats" is factually correct, and they have evidence. That evidence consists of emails in which Abramoff itemized recipients, amounts and rationales for giving.Thus, we can see that tribes gave money to Jean Carnahan because she was a "supporter of Native Americans," and to Max Cleland because he was "Very receptive to tribal issues." So they are factually correct.

      The trouble is that in the context of Howell's remarks, and a number of her establishmentarian media colleagues, this is totally misleading, because 1.) it suggests that the crime was the giving itself, and not the massive extortion/kickbacks/money laundering scheme that Abramoff ran, and 2.) confuses the tribes' giving to Dems, generally traditionally strong supporters of tribal concerns in the first place, with giving to Republicans, which was, yes, pretty naked influence-peddling.

      Let's get it right. They're factually correct in stating that, but they're utterly misleading, one must presume willfully so and in thrall of their GOP masters. This stuff isn't hard to understand or to explain.

      "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

      by Septic Tank on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 12:01:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Correct me if I wrong (4.00 / 2)

        There's no crime in directing those tribes to give to certain politicians who support Indian causes.
        •  Correct (4.00 / 3)

          In fact, it's not a crime to give to any of these pols. The crime is in how Abramoff motivated his clients to give to his Republican colleagues, which amounts to an extortion racket, and what he did with the money -- essentially laundering contributions to  evade caps on donations.

          But yes, influence-peddling is an unseemly business. The key question -- that which seperates rational self-interested giving to pols who've always supported tribal concerns (the Dems) with good old fashioned influence-buying (GOP) -- is their motivation for giving to an individual candidate.

          "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

          by Septic Tank on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 12:35:55 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  "Evidence?" Not exactly (4.00 / 3)

        The "evidence" you cite (which was also cited by Howell) is highly questionable. Paul Lukasiak raised some good questions about that evidence. You can find Paul's comments here. Search for "2:59".
        •  correction to my "evidence" (none / 0)

          Ron Bryaent from Raw Story pointed out a different site than the one I was using for finding contributions -- and it turns out that the Coushatta Tribe did contribute $5000 to DASCHPAC in 2002, contrary to the claim I made in the comment you are citing.

          Everything else is solid, so far! :)

      •  perhaps . . . (none / 1)

        . . . but the link you include did not provide evidence of that.  it only asserted that Abramoff directed money to democrats, and then gave a picture of a list of Rs & Ds that might have been out of context.  It is, however, very likely that evidence  of this matter, one way or another will eventually come out.  

        regardless, we are getting sucked into a discussion of essentially meaningless details that distracts from the larger issue.  Republicans broke the law, Democrats did not.  

        This is exactly what happened with the documents that Dan Rather had.  We got sucked into a discussion of font types and CBS's decision to run the memos when the real issue was that George Bush is not the brave warrior that he claims to be.  

        Bryan E. Burke, Chair of Eastern Washington Voters; www.ewvoters.org

        by bryanb on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 12:49:22 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  one problem... (4.00 / 8)

        there is one problem with this statement...

        Thus, we can see that tribes gave money to Jean Carnahan because she was a "supporter of Native Americans," and to Max Cleland because he was "Very receptive to tribal issues." So they are factually correct.

        according to the records of the FEC, the "Jean Carnahan for Missouri Committee" got no money from the Coushatta tribe, and "Friends of Max Cleland for the US Senate, Inc" received only $500 (instead of the $2000 that the tribe was "directed" to give.)

        Its possible that some "soft money" was directed toward Carnahan and Cleland's campaign in some fashion -- but the list in question is a list of "requests" for both hard and soft money -- and while every GOP incumbent running for re-election got the "hard money" requested, Carnahan got no "hard money" and Cleland got only $500.

        the very fact that the Post is using this "list" as their evidence that money was directed to Democratic candidates shows how weak their case is.  The actual data from the FEC, when compared to the list, CONTRADICTS the claims made by the Post.

        ***********

        BTW, we should stop using the term "no evidence" in refrence to "directed" contributions.  "Evidence" does exist, what does not exist is any "evidence" of taint, or any proof that Abramoff's "suggestions" were the reason money went to the Dems.

        For instance, with the Coushatta tribe, Abramoff's firm was not the only lobbyist it employed in 2002.   Johnston and Associates, another DC lobbying firm that specialized in Native American issues, had a long-standing relationship with the Coushatta, and in 2002 the tribe paid J&A over $80,000 for services provided.

        How likely is it that the tribe got no advice on whom to contribute from its long-term lobbyist in DC that specialized in issues of concern to Native Americans across the board?   How likely is it that J&A didn't say to the Coushatta "hey, Tom Daschle from South Dakota is a strong supporter of Native American tribes, and you might want to give his leadership PAC some money?"  

        •  Exactly so (none / 1)

          I don't doubt that some of the tribes gave money to Dems, but it's a stretch to say that happened because "Abramoff directed" it.  To draw that conclusion assumes at least that:

          1.  The tribes gave no money, except on advice of their lobbyists;

          2.  Abramoff was their sole lobbyist; and

          3.  The amount in question represented an increment over planned or historical expenditures, rather than a decrement.

          The last is a point worth keeping in mind.  If the leaders of Tribe X had historically contributed $2000/yr to a Democrat who had always been a strong supporter of tribal interests, but cut that in half at Abramoff's urging, it would be technically accurate to say they gave $1000/yr at Abramoff's direction .... but more accurate to say they cut their contributions by $1000/yr at Abramoff's direction.
        •  To simplify (none / 1)

          The tribes had reason to give money to Dems, since Dem policy tends to coincide with their interests anyway. They did not have reason to give to Republicans unless they were encouraging them to change their positions.

          But yes, this is a distraction from the real issue -- a massive GOP extortion racket and money laundering operation.

          I stand corrected on the unimpeachability of The Post's evidence.

          "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

          by Septic Tank on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 04:24:45 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  It's about frickin' time WaPo....... (3.81 / 16)

    what took you so long?

    I think that we should all call for Howell's resignation and for WaPo to get someone in that post that can doa much better job than she has done.  Hey WaPo, I would like to apply for that job, I can do better!

    If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

    by Mz Kleen on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 07:30:20 AM PDT

    •  Don't cheer yet as WaPo has just begun (4.00 / 5)

      more BS. If you review a diary on the rec list talking about which comments WaPo found unacceptable, you will find the language wasn't obscene unless you count asking WaPo to do a creditable reporting job.  No where in its mea culpa does it admit this.
    •  A million little pieces (of misinformation).... (none / 0)

      ...see this quote from Carl Hiassen, in an otherwise interesting article....  

      "According to The New York Times, up to a dozen members of Congress -- including a few Democrats -- are suspected of taking money from Abramoff's firm in exchange for legislative favors."

      "In religion and politics, people's beliefs and convictions are gotten at second-hand, and without examination." --M. Twaine

      by Hells Bells on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 08:40:10 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Hiassen = Closet Winger (none / 0)

        I've seen it a hundred times over. He's a big proponent of the "they both do it" meme, even when he knows it not to be true.
        •  Hiassen quoting the NY Times, briefly, (4.00 / 4)

          deep in this 10-day-old story does not make him a proponent of the "equal opportunity scandal" theme.

          In the second graph, Hiassen pegs this as "the burgeoning Republican corruption scandal," and the rest of the column focuses entirely on GOP examples of connections with Abramoff.

          If ALL the coverage had been like Hiassen's, we wouldn't be seeing the (false) general consensus re: "equal opportunity scandal."

          I don't read all Hiassen's columns, just the ones that rise to my attention, but the ones I've seen over the years have been very good. And I'm a big fan of his Florida novels, in which political corruption is indeed a major theme.

          "closet winger" is a pretty inflammatory insult, and you haven't presented any evidence, so I'll take your accusation as unfounded until you do.

          •  Second that! (none / 0)

            I've read a bunch of his columns, but that's not even necessary - he wears his politics on his sleeve in his (very entertaining, IMO) novels - anti-corruption, big business, environmental destruction, and the screwing of the little guy.

            And I'd bet that if you called his attention to the data, he'd thank you.

            The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

            by sidnora on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 03:56:20 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  I could be wrong (none / 0)

            and I agree that "closet winger" is inflammatory, so I'll take it back.

            But offhand, I'm thinking of a couple of his Florida novels in which politicians, both Dems and Repubs, are ridiculed as a class; and also (in particular) of some of Hiassen's radio comments in the wake of the Florida 2000 recount, in which he took a few equal opportunity snipes at Democrats (and repeated a few unfounded facts). Then as now, Hiassen just wasn't doing his homework. And as a number of my Florida friends remind me, they are governed by Republicans from the local level all the way to the top...so what the hell is Hiassen's problem with Democrats? Why does he see them as a figure of fun? Is there a secret part of his soul that loves his tax cuts more than he loves social and political progress?

            Believe me, I want to like Hiassen, because I have enjoyed some of his work. Perhaps his bias is that of a humorist, who sees opportunity for satire everywhere. Or perhaps it's a bias of laziness, of lazily parroting GOP talking points (as he did this time with Abramoff), and not feeling it's important later to set the record straight. But sometimes you want to shake your satirists by the lapels and tell them, dammit, it's important to have your facts right, and to do your research before making fun of folks! Particularly of people who are trying to make this world a better place. By falsely alleging that Democrats took money from Abramoff, Hiassen hasn't done anyone a favor here...

      •  Yup (4.00 / 2)

        I read it in the USA Today yesterday too.  A picture of Harry Reid with the caption:  'Accepted money from Abramhoff and his clients'.  

        It's a cancer.

    •  Andy30tx needs to explain all the 1's and 2's (4.00 / 5)

      or stop doing it.  The FAQ is pretty clear on this type of ratings abuse.

      Experience is nothing without good judgment.

      by sgilman on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 10:32:09 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Andy30tx=troll (4.00 / 6)

        This username has no history before today, and seems to have been created solely for the express purpose of handing out low ratings in this particular thread. This seems to be a very obvious case of ratings abuse.

        Here's some advice to Andy30tx: go away now.

      •  Speak up Andy! (none / 0)

        "Its a grave digger's song, Praising God and State. So the Nation can live, So we all can remain as cattle. They demand a sacrifice..." -Flipper

        by Skid on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 12:11:10 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  I agree 100% (none / 0)

        Andy30tx is low rating comments lower than they deserve. What's up with this and what is the remedy? Does Kos have a policy to stop it.

        Waiting for my 1 from Andy

        •  For Andy30tx (none / 0)

          Many users believe that the rating system is intented to be an opportunity to express agreement or disagreement with a post, or with the poster themself. This is not accurate; ratings are intended to help elevate those posters that consistently make clear, good arguments and points, regardless of content, and to prevent trolls from invading the message board. Downrating commenters on the basis of agreement or disagreement with their arguments leads to a monolithic forum, free of new ideas and input.

          So, please don't downrate comments just because you disagree with them!

  •  asdf (3.83 / 6)

    Thanks for the update. I'll check out the link.

    This sad saga will go away, I guess. However, the Washington Post is becoming a big brother to the Washington Times. It is disturbing that a town such as D.C. has two conservative newspapers.

    Another thing that bothers me: Where are the Democratic talking points, and why don't they get time on the air or in print?

    -7.38, -5.23 "Though the storm may be raging, and the billows tossing high, Lord I feel like going on."

    by CocoaLove on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 07:31:45 AM PDT

    •  Ask Dean (4.00 / 2)

      Dean smacked Wolf Blitzer down on this so hard his beard stuck out of the back of his head.  Blitzer cut him off.  The talking point is there, and most Democrats are saying it when they can - that this is a REPUBLICAN scandal, it's THEIR corruption, that Democrats were not involved at all, and that the GOP "everyone did it" spin is an outright lie.

      So they don't get air time, because that doesn't play into the media's myth of "balance".

      By modern definitions, Jesus was a terrorist.

      by Leggy Starlitz on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 09:04:03 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  And Howard Dean succeeded (4.00 / 9)

        The next day Wolf had Mehlman on and Wolf smacked him down when he tried using the Republican talking points.

        transcripts.cnn.com :

        MEHLMAN: Well, Wolf, when I -- when you look at this scandal, there's no question both Democrats and Republicans received money. And Jack Abramoff raised money for Democrats and Republicans.

        Harry Reid, for instance, he raised a bunch of money for. I was interested when Harry Reid said this is a Republican scandal.

        I just look at it differently. The way I look at it, we shouldn't be pointing fingers. What we ought to be doing is looking in the mirror and saying we all have positions of public trust, and what kinds of reforms do we need to undertake? In some cases, lobbying disclosure reform.

        John McCain has come up with some interesting ideas. What are other things we need to do to make sure we restore and reaffirm the public trust that the public ought to have in what happens in Washington? This ought not be about partisan games. It ought to be about integrity, it ought to be about a public trust. And it ought to be all of us looking and saying how can we make sure we do the best we can?

        BLITZER: What Howard Dean said yesterday -- and we've checked. Mark Preston (ph), our political editor, went back and checked. What Howard Dean said, Chuck Schumer said -- the Democratic senator from New York -- is that Abramoff directly giving money only to Republicans. Harry Reid, Byron Dorgan, they received money from tribal interests, but not directly from Jack Abramoff. All of his cash went only to Republicans.

        Mehlman then had to resort to mumbling about the need for reform and that it should be a "bipartisan" effort.

        I probably sound like a broken record here, but I think we need to recognize and give credit when the media (and the Democratic party, thank you Howard Dean) does the right thing.

        If the Washington Post does the right thing tomorrow, I hope that we will thank them for it.

        • Should we have to do that when they were wrong in the first place? - In a perfect world no,
        • Do we live in a perfect world? - no
        • What is our goal here?

        I can't answer for everyone here, only myself. But I would like to see the media do their job and conduct the necessary research before reporting talking points from either party.

        The Republicans have a fundamental problem with telling the truth - Howard Dean.

        by NYC Sophia on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 11:07:26 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I agree with your statement: (none / 1)

          "...we need to recognize and give credit when the media (and the Democratic party, thank you Howard Dean) does the right thing."

          We need to make it a point to thank and reward the media and Democrats when they do good.  I live in Washington and read the Post every day, and they usually do a pretty good job reporting political news. This can be seen by the number of times I see links to WP articles here and on DemocraticUnderground.  They often run articles that poke holes in the Administration's arguements.  We should make it a point to give them credit for that.

          As for Howell, she made a mistake. She's human. So apologize and correct it the next week. This happens all the time in journalism. But she hasn't been on the job long enough to be confident enough to admit she's wrong, so she's spinning it.  What she doesn't realize is that her spin is exactly the same spin the Republicans have been using, and hundreds of thousands of Democrats are slamming her because we're fuckin' fed up with the media acting as mouthpieces for the Republicans! A little part of me feels sorry for her because she appears to be so clueless as to why so many of us are so angry.

        •  How about that (4.00 / 2)

          Wolf set the record straight.  

          Agree with you on the fact that credit should be given where credit is due.  An example, with children, the best experts strongly endorse positive reinforcement.

          "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." --Samuel Johnson

          by joanneleon on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 03:01:18 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Great catch and analysis (none / 0)

    Recommended
  •  U won........ (4.00 / 6)

    Howell will probably never apologize directly BUT wapo admitted she was 'incorrect' and in the process of their coming to that conclusion and admittance both wapo and howell learned a hard lesson about the NEW media...the media run by we the people...the immediate response media....bloggers who do their homework and dont let misinfoirmation go unchallenged

    so while howell will probably not apologize she will think twice about being sloppy on the net.

    "THE SURGE IS WORKING" is the 2008 replacement for "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

    by KnotIookin on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 07:44:04 AM PDT

  •  Hit this point... (4.00 / 2)

    The documents Howell uses to push the idea of "directing" donations to Dems actually show him directing money to Republicans. The fact that he reduced their usual contributions to Dems does mean they still got money, I guess, but he reduced the amount of money going to Dems as much as was politically feasible to do so, and increased it for Republicans. So who was he directing the money to?
  •  bunk (4.00 / 16)

    This is an unacceptable attempt at a "retraction."

    The Washington Post owes it to its readers to either place a full retraction on the front page or on the editorial page in one form or another. They must make it clear and unequivocal.

    Don't cheer when these table scraps are thrown our way. We're right and they're wrong.

    Let's also force them to give us some evidence that Abramoff directed these groups to donate to Dems in exchange for specific legislative favours. Otherwise they need to be hounded as badly for making these assertions as they were for claiming Abramoff gave to both parties.

    •  Can't argue that (3.83 / 12)

      And in fact, I don't believe I did any cheering.  It's a half-hearted admission of error, buried in another article, cocooned in efforts to propagate a new lie.

      HOWEVER -- it's a tool we can and must use.  The lie that Abramoff gave to Dems is still out there; now we can say that they've admitted they were wrong.  Don't forget how valuable such an admission can be in your push back efforts.  An LTE that can factually state that the WaPo has admitted their error is a lot more effective than one which just argues they were wrong.

      As for the rest:  I agree.  Keep pushing back on this.  The MSM has its desired theme, of bipartisan graft, and they'll not easily give it up.  Frankly, I think the ferocity of the reaction on this has them reeling.  They're used to being pilloried by the right, so much that they instinctively cringe when a story of GOP malfeasance comes up and look for ways to appease them.  It's damn well time they start worrying about the reaction on the left when they make shit up to satisfy the other guys.

  •  She'll say (none / 0)

    she deeply regrets if anyone was offended by her statements.
  •  This is sort of like the Vatican (4.00 / 4)

    admitting they were wrong about Galileo and the whole sun around the earth thing. I suppose we should be grateful at least that the WP didn't take 400 years to admit their error.
  •  Though It Was Certainly a Typo (none / 0)

    Your reference to the Post's broader concern, and the note that beyond a passing acknowledgement of the Post's own ombudsperson's staggering incompetence and bad faith
    BoldThe rest of the article bemoans the general lack of incivility on the web. is something that concerns me deeply, which requires an immediate response.

    The lack of incivility on the web has gone too, too far in the face of the brazen mendacity and crapulous credulity of those like Deborah Howell, who, far from being little more than dollar-store mint cakes in the urinal of public discourse, must in fact be given their due as glad-handing toilet attendants with a complete line of hand towels, hair gel, cologne, mouthwash, and foil-packet wet-wipes dispensed to any patron either likely to leave an appropriate tip for the service or likely to bitch to the management for its absence.

    Although I must say, even in the toniest lavatories, it's rare to find an attendant that will actually wipe up for the patrons, much less plant a long wet kiss on their buttoms before lodging her tongue well within it.

    Deborah, you've set a standard that will be hard for others to reach. Please accept my apologies in advance for any perceived lack of incivility in this note.

  •  'twill be tearful, ala Mrs. Alito, rant over... (none / 1)

    how nasty this left wing liberal blogosphere was to her... nail her again...

    Dudehisattva...

    "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

    by Dood Abides on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 08:44:18 AM PDT

  •  Apology is not enough (4.00 / 7)

    She should be fired.  Period. Full stop.

    Most of us would if we treated customers the way she treated readers.

    •  Impartiality (4.00 / 3)

      Isn't the Ombudsman supposed to be an impartial arbitreur of issues between the readers and the paper?  What Ms. Howell has done here is actively try to shield the newspaper from reader criticism.  This is not in line with what I expect from someone in her position.
  •  Just a couple of things (4.00 / 7)

    I'm concentrating on the highlighted areas of the paragraph below:

    <div class="blockquote">The article goes on to repeat the new GOP spin point that Abramoff "directed clients to" contribute to the Dems -- something for which no evidence has yet emerged, but which may be more difficult to conclusively disprove.  The rest of the article bemoans the general lack of incivility on the web.</div>

    First:  WaPo, nor any other reputable news outlet, should be quoting as fact something that cannot at this time be proved or disproved.  That, my friends, is the definition of a theory and should be reported as such.  This type of sloppy reporting is exactly what the entire episode at WaPo online was all about.  Writing as fact something that has yet to be proved, makes for confused readers and loss of reputation for accuracy in the media.  Those of us who refuse to be dumbed down to accept GOP talking points as fact want to tear our hair out in large clumps when being fed such swill.  Lazy reporting is exactly where the outrage should be focused.  I am so tired of all these outlets trying to appease the administration (or garner some of the right wing's readers or viewers) by stretching credibility by forcing somekind of "fair and balanced" perspective to any news article I could throw up.  That kind of reporting is neither fair nor balanced.  It's not even reporting.  It's just parroting accusations.  If I want to listen to a parrot, I'll go to a pet shop.

    Second:  And this is just a small nitpick.  WaPo has been bemoaning the general lack of "civility" on the  web.  "Incivility" is exactly what they are complaining about.  Sorry, this is not a reflection on your analysis, but this particular misused word, changes the complexion of the force of your good work.  

    Just because a person has faith doesn't mean that he isn't full of crap.-- Pastordan

    by Maggie Mae on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 08:46:57 AM PDT

    •  Oops (none / 0)

      I don't know what happened to my blockquote.  I should have stuck to my habit of previewing.  Bad, bad, Maggie Mae.  

      Just because a person has faith doesn't mean that he isn't full of crap.-- Pastordan

      by Maggie Mae on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 08:51:24 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It is now (none / 0)

      <bl..quote> and </bl..quote>
    •  Brady calls it "undeniable" (4.00 / 5)

      In his interview with right wing blogger Hugh Hewitt:

      "And what she should have said, and what she put up on the blog on Thursday was that he directed...he did direct contributions to Democrats, which is undeniable. There's lot of documents that show that. But when she wrote it in the column, it was phrased in a way that made it seem like he was personally giving money to the Democrats, of which there isn't proof of that at this point."

      This is the next thing we should be hitting the Post with, that their blog editor gave an accusatory interview to a partisan right wing blogger criticizing the paper's readership and making more factually inaccuaate statements.  

      •  excellent point (none / 0)

        However the media now bows to the cult of conservatism, they will crawl on their bellies to them. The destiny of our nation takes a back seat to pandering to the cult which controls our nation.

        Why won't Brady do an online chat with Kos?

        "Sun Myung Moon had more to do with conservatism's rise to power than anyone. Anyone!" - moonboots

        by moonboots on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 10:46:50 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Just to illustrate my point (4.00 / 2)

      To illustrate my point about the sloppy reporting on the Abramhoff Atrios has a rough transcript of an interview with Rick Karr conducted by Ben Allison, from On Media, titled Party Favor (right now, it's the second interview listed.

      "But you really have to spend some time digging, you have to go to a variety of sources to try and correlate these things because not everything is reported to the same organization."

      (I can't get blockquoting to work, no matter what I do! Grrrrrr)

      Lazy reporters don't want to put the time into the digging.

      Just because a person has faith doesn't mean that he isn't full of crap.-- Pastordan

      by Maggie Mae on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 09:26:32 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Thanks, Maggie (4.00 / 3)

      Fixed the typo.  

      And your broader point is correct: that's why I labeled the latest pravda from the WaPo as "GOP spin."  They're making the assertion as fact, and we need to push them on it.

      We won a small victory on the first point because it could be disproven.  Pushing back on the second will require holding the MSM to a burden they're unaccustomed to meeting: ie, put up or shut up.  

      We can make use of their admission, though:  "look, WaPo, you've already admitted you were wrong about Abramoff giving money to the Dems.  Why should we believe you about directing money to them?  Show us your evidence!"

  •  Surprisingly good story (none / 0)

    For one it includes Howell's actual comment that "Abramoff 'had made substantial campaign contributions to both major parties.' That is incorrect."

    I like that readers can decide for themselves whether Howell's characterization of her column as "imprecise" understates her offense (which, I think, most readers would it did).  "Howell said yesterday she felt "stunned" by the reaction to her Sunday column, which she called "imprecise" in its characterization of Abramoff's actions."

    The most serious qualification I would have is its acceptance that Abramoff "directed" contributions to Democrats.  It may be that the Post had such evidence, but nothing they have made public so far substantiates that.

    Also, the Post doesn't acknowledge that the response to Howell's post on the blog was largely due to her failure to apologize or acknowledge her mistake as anything more than an error in wording.

  •  Some Dems Supported by Abramoff VICTIMS n/t (none / 0)

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 08:57:47 AM PDT

  •  At least it's not the paper of record - ha ha n/t (none / 0)

  •  depressing (4.00 / 2)

    I don't know if it was Jerome's recent diary that has me in an  extremely pessimistic mood...but this is outragous. This is barely a retraction, the Washington Post is not going to formally apologize, and we will be seeing the same lie repeated ad nauseum again in that newspaper and in hundreds of others, as well as all the TV News stations. They have a vested interest in helping the Republican Party every time something negative comes out. They have no integrity, journalists today have no integrity. They should be called propagandists, because the profession of journalism is dead. With a one party government, the Bush Admin. and it's rubber-stamp Soviet Congress will never be held accountable for its endless crimes, and with a propagandist media, people will never be trully informed. We are just fucking doomed. Just looking at mediamatters.org makes me want to sob. The amount of overt lies and misinformation is just too fucking much. With an apathetic population, it makes ther job that much easier. I don't think there's anything that can be done; thanks to the media's collaboration, this scandal and all others will be subdued, and with the Democats' persistant and perpetual state of electoral incompetence, the Republican Party will staying in power forever. :(

    "People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible." --J.R.

    by michael1104 on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 09:02:59 AM PDT

    •  a cheery thought (none / 0)

      you could be blissfully ignorant.  Knowledge is a burden, but a handy one.

      Remember, you CAN look at mediamatters.org, because it exists.  Empirical evidence still counts in the long run.  My heart wants to sing every song it hears when I remember that.

      The hills are alive, with the sound of liberals ....

      Are we still routinely torturing helpless prisoners, and if so, does it feel right that we as American citizens are not outraged by the practice? -Al Gore

      by soyinkafan on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 04:37:42 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Sounds like (none / 1)

    another 'journalist' on the gooper payroll.Fire her.

    it tastes like burning...

    by eastvan on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 09:04:35 AM PDT

  •  This (none / 0)

    omBUDSthing is not for me.

    it tastes like burning...

    by eastvan on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 09:31:14 AM PDT

  •  re (4.00 / 3)

    Please someone print this out and paste it to the forehead of the CNN News Manaquin KEERA Phillips.

    "Steve Holt knows 'Unity' begins when Hillary drops out." - Steve Holt

    by cookiesandmilk on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 09:34:34 AM PDT

  •  asdf (4.00 / 6)

    Lovey:     Thurston you're so democratic.

    Thurston:  Lovey, Lovey. Watch your language.

    "Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground?" -George Washington

    by House on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 09:49:23 AM PDT

  •  its amazing (none / 1)

    Its amazing that while it's a total republican scandal, the repthugs spin is to play 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon and the media falls right in line. She is paid off, ass are many of them, there really isn't any other explanation.
  •  It's the same old story (none / 1)

    Blah blah blah, we were technically wrong, but more importantly, look at those angry leftists over there!!!

    I can't wait for Howell's column tomorrow.  IF she spends more time apologizing for her mistake than talking about the "incivility" of the people who tried to correct her, I will be stunned.

  •  Oh, dear... (4.00 / 9)

    The rest of the article bemoans the general lack of civility on the web.

    Since when has outright lying been considered a form of civil discourse?

  •  Here's what I want to know (4.00 / 3)

    how come when the right complains en masse about a TV show, politicians, quotes from celebrities of all sorts, an apology is issued, but when the left complains, were a bunch of hooligans?

    NetrootNews coming soon!

    by ksh01 on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 10:12:53 AM PDT

  •  Facts, not spin (4.00 / 3)

    The article goes on to repeat the new GOP spin point that Abramoff "directed clients to" contribute to the Dems -- something for which no evidence has yet emerged, but which may be more difficult to conclusively disprove.

    It doesn't need to be conclusively disproved. Until such time as evidence emerges that says that this happened, any use of variations of the phrase "Abramoff directed clients to contribute to Democrats" is simply the repetition of Republican spin.

    Journalists are supposed to report facts.

  •  Caution - this won't stand up to examination (none / 1)

    "It is exceedingly unlikely that Abramoff directed any payments to Democrats." Wrong.

    Anyone who has followed the story already knows that specific Abramoff clients wrote specific checks for specific amounts on specific dates to specific Democrats at the direction of Abramoff (or his subordinates).

    It's unclear how much of $1.5M in "Abramoff-related" tribal money received by Democrats was specifically directed by Abramoff.

    And there's no indication to date of any corrupt bargain attached to this money where Dem's are concerned (as there is in a couple of GOP cases, with more likely to follow).

    Finally, it's unknown where much of the remaining $75M in Abramoff-related tribal lobbying expenditures ended up.

    The facts are good for our side. Stick to the facts.

    You won't be very effective refuting people like  Howell and Kyra Phillips by insisting "don't parrot their side's lies -- parrot my side's lies".

    The Great Obama might saw the lady in half, but he won't make the elephant disappear. The Confluence

    by RonK Seattle on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 10:13:54 AM PDT

    •  Color me unconvinced (4.00 / 2)

      I've yet to see any evidence that Abramoff told the tribes to give money to Dems -- what I've seen instead are e-mails internal to his group bemoaning the fact that they've done so.

      If there are documents showing that he told the tribes to give to Dems, I haven't seen them.  I'd also be wary of anything that appears merely in tabular form.  It would be easy to list out contributions by a tribe that happen to include money given to the opposition, but that listing wouldn't be "direction" -- merely a recitation of existing data.  I'd also want to look at whether any "direction" amounted to instructions to reduce contributions to Dems.

      Again -- I'm not saying with absolute certainty that this didn't happen; it just doesn't fit the MO of Jack Abramoff as we understand it so far.  There certainly have been articles in the MSM that suggest otherwise; I'm just not prepared to believe those articles without seeing the evidence for myself.

      •  Can't save you from your bad self (none / 0)

        No wonder they don't listen to us.

        Specific means specific, traceable from tribal check registers to candidate FEC filings, and supported by first-person accounts of tribal officials.

        And FYI, the tribes' share of contrib's to D's did decrease under Abramoff/Scanlon/Reed's influence ... but the amount contributed to D's increased radically. (The total to R's just increased more radically.) Pick a tribe and look it up.

        The Great Obama might saw the lady in half, but he won't make the elephant disappear. The Confluence

        by RonK Seattle on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 11:33:27 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Okay (4.00 / 4)

          And FYI, the tribes' share of contrib's to D's did decrease under Abramoff/Scanlon/Reed's influence ... but the amount contributed to D's increased radically. (The total to R's just increased more radically.) Pick a tribe and look it up.

          Okay, I can pick a tribe and look it up.

          From the excellent December 21, 2005 analysis by Bloomberg:

          Abramoff's tribal clients continued to give money to Democrats even after he began representing them, although in smaller percentages than in the past.

          The Saginaw Chippewas gave $500,500 to Republicans between 2001 and 2004 and $277,210 to Democrats, according to a review of data compiled by Dwight L. Morris & Associates, a Bristow, Virginia-based company that tracks campaign-finance reports. Between 1997 and 2000, the tribe gave just $158,000 to Republicans and $279,000 to Democrats.

          As I read that, the Chippewas gave less to the Dems: in raw dollar terms, as well as their total share.  The raw dollar decline is fairly small, but it is a decline, and not a "radical increase," as you insist.  The decline is, as you pointed out, enormous when compared to the total share of the lobbying budget.  

          What I get from these figures is that contributions to Dems went down slightly, while contributions to 'Pubs more than tripled.

          So ... I remain unconvinced that Abramoff "directed" money to the Dems.

          •  Jeez. Results and comparisons are distorted ... (none / 0)

            ... by Saginaw Chippewa's extraordinary $220K contrib to a DCCC nonfederal soft money account in the 1998 cycle -- a contribution no longer permitted under current campaign finance law.

            You can do a lot of work trying to convince yourself of something that isn't true to begin with, and you may succeed ... but it won't convince anybody outside your bubble. It will only convince them not to listen to you again.

            Now, how do you propose to blind yourself to all the specific-specific-specific cases in which tribal officials testified "Abramoff [or Scanlon, etc] told us to write this check on this date", and the check was written, and was deposited in a Democratic candidate's hard money account, and was reported to the FEC, and was (in some cases, and not in others) refunded by the Democratic candidate?

            The Great Obama might saw the lady in half, but he won't make the elephant disappear. The Confluence

            by RonK Seattle on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 02:38:59 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I don't ... (none / 0)

              ... propose to blind myself.  That would be painful, and counterproductive.

              Show me the testimony of a tribal official who said Abramoff told him to write a check to a Democrat (provided, of course, that it doesn't represent a decrement of the amount the tribe had proposed giving or had given before), and I'm willing to look at it.

              •  OK. Start here ... (4.00 / 2)

                ... with the Coushatta tribe checks written to numerous R's and D's 3/6/2002 at Abramoff's direction, as affirmed by tribal attorney Jimmy Faircloth.

                IIRC, this story preceded Dorgan's decision to return all his "Abramoff-related" money.

                Also note that Harry Reid received no Agua Caliente, Louisiana Coushatta, Mississippi Choctaw or Saginaw Chippewa (loosely, "Abramoff tribe") contributions in pre-Abramoff years, but $50K in 2001-04 (loosely, the "Abramoff years").

                Note clearly -- none of this makes Dorgan, Reid or anybody else crooked. It just demolishes the conceit that no Democrats received Abramoff-directed funds.

                Before you go after the WaPo, CNN, etc. for not having their story straight, you need to get your story straight.

                The Great Obama might saw the lady in half, but he won't make the elephant disappear. The Confluence

                by RonK Seattle on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 04:03:58 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Well wait (none / 0)

                  Even in light of your evidence, the fact is, the Post was absolutely wrong to say that Abramoff gave money to both Dams and Republicans. If I tell my father to give my sister her rent money, it is not the same as if I give her the rent money.

                  The bigger focus though should be what was gotten for those dollars and a clear distinction should be made between dirty money and clean money (as clean as money can ever be).

                  The press (and we) are so anxious to break a story and subsequently wrap it up into a neat soundbite that the essential story is lost before the trial even goes down.

                •  Thanks for the link (none / 1)

                  It's not "testimony," as you described it, but it is interesting, and it may support your point.  

                  I say it "may" support it, because as I observed a couple of posts upthread, it makes a difference whether the amount provided was an increment or a decrement to what the tribe had originally intended.  If the tribe planned to give $10k to Dorgan, for example, and Abramoff persuaded them to cut that amount in half, I don't think it can be fairly said that they gave him $5000 at Abramoff's direction.  It would be more accurate to say Abramoff directed them to cut their contribution.

                  WRT this statement:  Before you go after the WaPo, CNN, etc. for not having their story straight, you need to get your story straight -- Howell's claim that Abramoff gave money to Dems was factually inaccurate.  It's fair game to point it out, and to expect a correction.

                •  Jimmy Faircloth ... (none / 1)

                  ... the source in your article, apparently is a GOP lobbyist, according to this excellent diary by Kagro X.

                  Noted with interest.

                  •  Read Kagro X (none / 0)

                    The cited diary has more information on why the case against Dorgan is questionable.
                  •  I know Kagro X. Kagro X is a friend of mine ... (none / 0)

                    ... not to mention a blogmate at TNH. But Kagro is in error here.

                    There's no indication Faircloth is a lobbyist ... and much indication to the contrary.

                    There's no indication Faircloth is a GOP operative. He has several contributions, not unusual for a Louisiana lawyer, but no activist earmarks.

                    Sworn Senate testimony was given by tribal council chair Kevin Sickey, but Sickey referred al public inquiries to Faircloth.

                    Sickey led a dissident council faction that contested the election of Abramoff-friendly council members in the critical period.

                    Faircloth was originally represented the reform faction in their election contest (which Abramoff may have had a role in rigging). He became general counsel to the tribe when Sickey's reform faction gained control, and leads their effort to recover $32 million in Abramoff-related rake-off's.

                    I don't find the contribution in question in FEC records, but that's probably because I'm looking in the wrong place, or there's a clerical recording error (not uncommon). Reasoning: Dorgan raised a number of objections to the Coushatta story and its implications, but did not contest the assertion that he had received this money (which would have been his most air-tight defense), and did include it in his contributions refunded and/or redirected to charities.

                    The Great Obama might saw the lady in half, but he won't make the elephant disappear. The Confluence

                    by RonK Seattle on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 08:49:53 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                  •  UPDATE: I dug around in TNH backfiles, re ... (none / 0)

                    ... the claim that nobody could find evidence that Dorgan received the $5K.

                    The day after Kagro's diary, TNH received correspondence from FECInfo.com indicating the $5K from Coushatta went to a Dorgan-controlled soft money account, and providing a (subscriber only) link. Not sure whether we ever followed up as intended to correct the record.

                    The Great Obama might saw the lady in half, but he won't make the elephant disappear. The Confluence

                    by RonK Seattle on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 10:00:45 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                •  More on Dorgan-Coushatta (none / 1)

                  Helpful analysis here.
                •  Yet more on Dorgan-Coushatta (none / 1)

                  Here.
                •  And it actually proves (none / 0)

                  nothing you said before.

                  No one has said Dems did not get money Ron.

                  What game are you playing?

                   

                  Everybody dies alone.

                  by Armando on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 10:42:21 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Dem's got money, Abramoff directed it, ... (none / 0)

                    ... and they got (a lot) more money under Abramoff than pre-Abramoff.

                    What game are you playing?

                    And why are you playing over here, when the front page is over there?

                    The Great Obama might saw the lady in half, but he won't make the elephant disappear. The Confluence

                    by RonK Seattle on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 11:20:05 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Because you ... (none / 0)


                       ... linked to the discussion here, of course.
                    •  So what's your point? (none / 0)

                      I note your figures but what about the possibility that these tribes didn't have legislation that they were trying to get passed before they hired Abramoff? It could reasonably be said that the tribes might not have needed to lobby Congress before they went along and hired Abramoff, in which case the lower funds were indicative of their level of interest in Congressional matters. The correlation isn't enough to strictly say, in a widespread fashion, that Abramoff was the determinative source of the higher level of donations. It could merely be a symptom of their interest in federal legislation.

                      Secondly, what's the larger point here? The debate over campaign contributions is ultimately beside the larger point of corruption, money laundering, and bribery. Surely, corrections are needed when they are due but you've overreached based on what's known so far. I wouldn't nearly be so presumptive as to say that Abramoff never directed a tribe to donate to a member of Congress or that he regularly did. I haven't seen the records. What is known is that there is very little, if any, signs that a single Dem. acted on behalf of Abramoff's interest or the tribes he represented, be it based on legal or illegal means of influence. I feel as though this debate has really lost sight of the larger picture of what Abramoff was all about and how he peddled influence in Congress.

                      'Everybody's born-again these days; if you're not born-again you're dead, you're out of touch, yours is a minority view, you lose.' Barthelme 'Nat.Sel.'

                      by jorndorff on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 11:10:40 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

            •  How about (none / 0)

              a cite to those comparison Ron?

              A link? something?

              Everybody dies alone.

              by Armando on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 10:40:01 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

        •  No wonder we don;t listen to you (none / 0)

          You have as much support for your assertions as the fraqudsters do. Hell, they provide links at least - to Madsen assuredly, but at least it is something.

          Everybody dies alone.

          by Armando on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 10:38:52 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Your criticism doesn't stand up to examination (none / 0)

      If you tell your clients to cut the amount of contributions to Democrats and increase it for Republicans, that's called directing money to Republicans.

      If you say from now on, I'd like you to give Reid $500 instead of $2,000 this year, and instead give $1500 more to Republicans, that's directing money TO Republicans.

      Show me a Democrat that Abramoff told his clients to give MORE money to. Give me a Democrat Abramoff directed to get money that didn't get money in previous years. No, Abramoff cut contributions for Dems as close to zero as he could.

    •  When you address my argument let me know (none / 1)

      Abramoff led to LESS MONEY for Dems from the tribes.

      Abramoff led to MORE MONEY for the GOP from the tribes.

      As for your assertions of $1.5  million and Abramoff's "directing" it, a link or SOME support for your assertions would be helpful.

      Snideness without substance is still a big nothing Ron.

      Oh, and stick toi the facts will you?
      Cuz you don't bring any here. You bring your assertions, nothing more.

      Everybody dies alone.

      by Armando on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 10:37:54 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Someone else may have alreay said this, but (none / 1)

    this is woefully insufficient as a correction or an apology.