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JPEN: The military is using NSA intercepts to spy on Americans

Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 02:52:05 AM PDT

A couple of days ago, I wrote a piece on American intelligence agencies, a brief run-down of all the different organizations and what role they played.

In the course of doing the research for that story, I came across a unit I'd never heard of before, the DIA's Counterintelligence Field Activity (CFA), and their program the Joint Protection Enterprise Network (JPEN).

When I went to the internet to do find more information about JPEN, I was surprised to see that Google had a total of only 293 hits, one of which was from my own blog.  You know darn well that when Google doesn't return several thousand hits that you're dealing with something relatively unknown.  Yet my investigation has discovered that JPEN is tied into the recent NSA wiretapping scandal.

In short, JPEN is a simple computer program that runs across an internet-like interface (via ordinary browsers) that is very simple to use.  It was brought online by the Pentagon shortly after 9/11/01 in a very rapid manner because it used commercial software that was only slightly modified.

You can read the full description of what JPEN does here.  When you strip out the military jargon, JPEN is essentially a database of gossip used by Department of Defense employees, especially those who staff the entrances to military bases and facilities.

For example, if a "suspicious car" approaches the entrance to Fort Belvoir (outside of D.C.), a military police (MP) officer can log the license plates.  Then if the same car approaches Andrews Air Force Base (also near DC), the MP's there can log onto JPEN and see that the same car was involved in a suspicious event.

The theory behind JPEN is that just about any DOD employee can log onto JPEN, using its simple and easy-to-use internet interface, and cross-check or add information about suspicious events.  The military term used is "nonvalidated domestic threat information", which in more common language means "anything and everything that someone thinks is suspicious".

General Richard B. Myers, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, gave a speech on May 11, 2004 which discussed JPEN:

How many of the folks in this room know anything about JPEN?  If you don't know about JPEN, then you've got to go take a look at it.  The Joint Protection Enterprise Network, it can be focused on anything, but right now, we're focused on security at military installations.  We figured out some years ago that we didn't really have a good way to share information between our militaries on force protection issues.  For example, if a suspicious-looking vehicle is denied entry to Fort Belvoir, that event will be logged by the United States Army at Fort Belvoir.  What do you think the probability of that information getting to Fort Myer, or Andrews or Bolling is?  It's not easy to get there - it might be in an email or letter somewhere or a report.  So, we had some really smart people come up with a solution, JPEN.  If you haven't seen it you really ought to go see it.  It's really quite interesting.

It was relatively cheap; it was also off-the-shelf software that was modified.  It was born Joint from the beginning.  It took 90 days to get from the idea to a prototype and another 60 days to get 30 bases and headquarters equipped.  NORTHCOM is operates it.  I think we need to continue that type of information sharing outside the military; it's got to go beyond just military installations.  It's sharing information that is already out there, the kind of information you'd like to know if you're an installation commander somewhere.

The bolding was added by me.  General Myers knew that JPEN was considered a valuable tool because so many people could add information to the JPEN database and so many people could access it.  And he wasn't kidding about his dreams for expanding its usefulness beyond security for military installations.

Just a day later, General Myers addressed the U.S. Senate Committee on Appropriations:

In an effort to improve the security of US military installations and personnel around the world, the Joint Staff has created the Antiterrorism Enterprise Portal, an evolving web-based portal that aggregates the resources and programs required to support the DOD Antiterrorism Program. This portal is fast becoming DOD's one-stop location for antiterrorism/force protection information. A program that complements this portal capability is the Joint Protection Enterprise Network (JPEN). Operated by NORTHCOM, this network provides the means to share unclassified force protection information rapidly between military installations in the Continental United States, increasing their situational awareness and security significantly. Although currently operating only on military installations, JPEN has the potential to be expanded to share terrorist information with Federal, State and local agencies as well.

The WOT requires collecting relevant data and turning it into knowledge that will enable us to detect and preempt the plans of an elusive, skilled enemy dispersed across the globe. Although many obstacles remain, we are making significant progress in the area of information sharing. The Joint Intelligence Task Force for Combating Terrorism (JITF-CT) at DIA is a prime example of effective intelligence cooperation in the WOT. In the area of counterterrorism, we are making significant progress toward transparency and full information sharing. JITF-CT has experts from 12 intelligence and law enforcement organizations, and JITF-CT personnel are embedded in 15 other organizations, including some forward deployed personnel.

Got it?  JPEN started out as a kind of internet for MP's to cross-reference information about suspicious activity between people who guard military bases.  However the military loved its flexibility, scalability and usefulness so much it became something they wanted other groups to use.

General Myers spoke accurately when he said it has the "potential" to share "terrorist information" with other federal agencies as well as local law enforcement.  Notice how "unverified reports" suddenly have transformed into "terrorist information"?

JPEN is officially under the command of NORTHCOM, the division "responsible for all U.S. military operations in the United States, Mexico, Canada and the northern Caribbean".  In other words, it is in charge of the domestic affairs of the military and has nothing to do with Iraq, Afghanistan or any other overseas mission.

From NORTHCOM's own website:

"JPEN represents a significant ability to quickly share vital antiterrorism information in direct support to those on the front lines of force protection throughout this country," said Maj. Gen. Dale Meyerrose, USNORTHCOM director of architectures and integration.  "This system directly supports the USNORTHCOM mission of deterring, preventing and defeating terrorism against our Department of Defense assets."

Noting homeland defense relies on actionable intelligence sharing at all government levels, Meyerrose said the information sharing culture must change from "the need to know to the need to share."

Information shared in JPEN includes reports of suspected surveillance of military facilities; elicitation attempts and suspicious questioning; tests of security; unusual repetitive activities; bomb threats; and other suspicious activity.  Additionally, JPEN can report incidents such as chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear alarms or alerts; fire and bomb explosions; vehicle turn-rounds; and force protection conditions.

"Information sharing provides military force protection personnel immediate access to the current threat environment and how it might affect their installation which allows them to respond more rapidly to changing threat conditions," Meyerrose said.

The general noted USNORTHCOM plans to expand JPEN DoD-wide within its area of responsibility over the next two years.

"JPEN will become one of the tools in our standard antiterrorism and force protection toolkit used by all services and the 16 DoD field activities within the NORTHCOM area of responsibility."

In other words, the DOD wants to roll out JPEN throughout all of its facilities in the United States so it can share unverified reports about just about anything, including "suspicious activity".

So far that seems like a fairly good thing to do.  After all, its the military's job to guard its own bases and facilities.  The problem of course is that colossal databases (of unverified reports) are just too juicy not too share.

And friends, that's just what they did.  From a January 1, 2006 article by Walter Pincus in the Washington Post:

Information captured by the National Security Agency's secret eavesdropping on communications between the United States and overseas has been passed on to other government agencies, which cross-check the information with tips and information collected in other databases, current and former administration officials said.

The NSA has turned such information over to the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and to other government entities, said three current and former senior administration officials, although it could not be determined which agencies received what types of information. Information from intercepts -- which typically includes records of telephone or e-mail communications -- would be made available by request to agencies that are allowed to have it, including the FBI, DIA, CIA and Department of Homeland Security, one former official said.

At least one of those organizations, the DIA, has used NSA information as the basis for carrying out surveillance of people in the country suspected of posing a threat, according to two sources. A DIA spokesman said the agency does not conduct such domestic surveillance but would not comment further. Spokesmen for the FBI, the CIA and the director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte, declined to comment on the use of NSA data.

DIA personnel stationed inside the United States went further on occasion, conducting physical surveillance of people or vehicles identified as a result of NSA intercepts, said two sources familiar with the operations, although the DIA said it does not conduct such activities.

The military personnel -- some of whose findings were reported to the Northern Command in Colorado -- were employed as part of the Pentagon's growing post-Sept. 11, 2001, domestic intelligence activity based on the need to protect Defense Department facilities and personnel from terrorist attacks, the sources said.

Northcom was set up in October 2002 to conduct operations to deter, prevent and defeat terrorist threats in the United States and its territories. The command runs two fusion centers that receive and analyze intelligence gathered by other government agencies.

Those Northcom centers conduct data mining, where information received from the NSA, the CIA, the FBI, state and local police, and the Pentagon's Talon system are cross-checked to see if patterns develop that could indicate terrorist activities.

Talon is a system that civilian and military personnel use to report suspicious activities around military installations. Information from these reports is fed into a database known as the Joint Protection Enterprise Network, which is managed, as is the Talon system, by the Counterintelligence Field Activity, the newest Defense Department intelligence agency to focus primarily on counterterrorism. The database is shared with intelligence and law enforcement agencies and was found last month to have contained information about peace activists and others protesting the Iraq war that appeared to have no bearing on terrorism.

Connecting the dots, the NSA did surveillance on Americans, including peace activists, and this information was then plugged into JPEN and other databases, which led to the DIA conducting physical surveillance on these people.  That "data mining" that Northcom does is JPEN, run by the Pentagon's CFA agency, effectively meaning the military is running a massive counterintelligence operation on American soil.

Pincus also adds these key paragraphs:

Military officials acknowledged that such information should have been purged after 90 days and that the Talon system was being reviewed.

Gen. Michael V. Hayden, deputy director for national intelligence and former head of NSA, told reporters last month that the interception of communications to the United States allegedly connected to terrorists was, in almost every case, of short duration. He also said that when the NSA creates intelligence reports based on information it collects, it minimizes the number of Americans whose identities are disclosed, doing so only when necessary.

"The same minimalizationist standards apply across the board, including for this program," he said of the domestic eavesdropping effort. "To make this very clear -- U.S. identities are minimized in all of NSA's activities, unless, of course, the U.S. identity is essential to understand the inherent intelligence value of the intelligence report." Hayden did not address the question of how long government agencies would archive or handle information from the NSA.

So not only is illegal NSA wiretapping information being collected, it's being distributed via the JPEN network to other federal agencies and local law enforcement and it's being archived longer than the legally permitted 90 days.  Which means that Mr. Innocent Quaker Peace Activist's name is now floating around a military counterterrorism database, which Joe Trooper can pull up whenever he makes a traffic stop.

Props go to William Arkin, who was on the case a few days before:

The Department of Defense now says that analysts may not have followed the law and its own guidelines that require the purging of information collected on U.S. persons after 90 days. The law states that if no connection is made between named persons and foreign governments or transnational terrorist organizations or illegal activity, U.S. persons have a right to their privacy and information about them must be deleted.

Thanks to RL, I now know that the database of "suspicious incidents" in the United States first revealed by NBC Nightly News last Tuesday and subject of my blog last week is the Joint Protection Enterprise Network (JPEN) database, an intelligence and law enforcement sharing system managed by the Defense Department's Counterintelligence Field Activity (CIFA).

What is clear about JPEN is that the military is not inadvertently keeping information on U.S. persons.  It is violating the law. And what is more, it even wants to do it more.

Follow-up reporting on the Pentagon spying story -- both by this newspaper and by the New York Times -- mistakenly refers to the suspicious incidents database that I obtained for the time period July 2004-May 2005 as the TALON database, for the Threat and Local Observation Notice reporting system.

TALON, according to the Pentagon, is merely a non-threatening compilation of "unfiltered information."

The data on incidents is used "to estimate possible threats," DOD says. "It is in effect, the place where DOD initially stores "dots," which if validated, might later be connected before an attack occurs," the department says in a written statement prepared for reporters.

"Under existing procedures, a "dot" of information that is not validated as threatening must be removed from the TALON system."

But JPEN is more than just a compilation of TALON's. It is a near real-time sharing system of raw non-validated force protection information among Department of Defense organizations and installations. Feeding into JPEN are intelligence, law enforcement, counterintelligence, and security reports, TALONs as well as other reports.

So now the larger picture is emerging.  JPEN is the military's "mother of all databases" of domestic terrorism information and it is now archiving those reports beyond the legally permissible 90 days.  And remember folks, this database is chock full of unverified information.

The fact that George Bush has been using the NSA as his own private spy network, bypassing even the need to consult a secret court or judge, is certainly bad.  But it's even worse to know that this information is being funnelled into the military, who now has an entire agency focusing on domestic spying and surveillance, based on an enormous data mining project.

I'll leave you with a quote from the 9/11 Commission Hearing (1/26/04):

MR. BEN-VENISTE: Does NORTHCOM have an intelligence capability? Does it have its own intelligence unit?

MR. VERGA: It has its own intelligence analysis capability, as do all our Combatant Commands. The J-2 in military jargon is the intelligence officer for the command, and they take intelligence product and analyze it based on the particular command's mission. We collect intelligence only in accordance with the applicable laws, which restrict the collection of intelligence inside the United States, principally to counterintelligence in conjunction with the FBI.

MR. BEN-VENISTE: So if I understand you correctly, the Department of Defense interprets its mission on NORTHCOM with respect to force protection or any other traditional intelligence component of a command, such as NORTHCOM if it were outside the United States, to restrict the military from the collection function.

MR. VERGA: Yeah. From the gathering and collecting of intelligence inside the United States, that's correct.

MR. BEN-VENISTE: And it is, however, a customer of collected intelligence. Is that correct?

MR. VERGA: That's correct as well.

MR. BEN-VENISTE: In looking at your detailed statement, at page 8 you list a pretty good shopping list that goes on to page 9 of examples of technology transfer specific to the areas of border and transportation security, where the Department of Defense is making a contribution. Do you anywhere indicate the data-mining project that was initiated at DARPA or was then brought through this Total Information Awareness which became Terrorist Information Awareness under Admiral Poindexter?

MR. VERGA: I did not indicate that in my written statement, nor have we passed that technology on to any other agencies as of this time. There are two very similar programs, that one which is the opportunity to use -- I don't like the term data-mining, but data correlation I think is probably a more appropriate term -- data correlation techniques to do exactly what the Commissioner talked about doing manually post-9/11 but doing it in an automated basis. We also have a joint protection enterprise network which is a DOD network which we use for force protection purposes, which is the ability to exchange relevant information among the military commands associated with force protection inside the United States.

MR. BEN-VENISTE: Was there some -- that program that had been initiated in DARPA, is that continuing?

MR. VERGA: The research on that is continuing as of now.

MR. BEN-VENISTE: Okay. And if Northern Command is a customer for collected intelligence, does that include intelligence about U.S. citizens?

MR. VERGA: Only to the extent that it's permitted by law for NORTHCOM to have information about U.S. persons. We conduct all of our intelligence activities inside the United States or outside the United States in accordance with the applicable law, and there are --

MR. BEN-VENISTE: I understand.

MR. VERGA: There are restrictions on the types of information that the Department of Defense can collect or hold on U.S. persons. If it's relative to the protection of U.S. installations or property, equipment, a criminal investigation or a counterintelligence investigation, then military intelligence activities could keep and hold that information, otherwise they're not permitted to.

Mr. Verga is Peter F. Verga, the Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense, whose boss is Paul McHale.  Verga also served as a liaison between the DOD and the Department of Homeland Security.

You might remember that Senator Feingold, Corzine, Wyden and Nelson on January 16, 2003 introduced a bill to freeze all data-mining by the DoD and DHS as part of their "Total Information Awareness" program.  So now the military has used JPEN to circumvent the stigma of TIA (which was heavily criticized) and now feeds both gossip and NSA intercept data into its system.

I guess it's just too great a temptation for the government not to attempt to track and monitor its citizens, with the excuse that we're in a "War on Terror".  You might remember my article a few days ago about how the Department of Justice went fishing for a judge to give them the authorization to track you via your cell phone without a warrant.

Clearly these reports are just the tip of the iceberg, the grand daddy dream to know what all citizens are doing, all the time.  The only way we're ever going to escape this authoritarian behavior is to raise awareness about this issues.

I knew when I saw that JPEN only brought 293 hits in Google that it was time to write this article.  The military's spying on Americans is something that needs to be more widely known!

Crossposted from Flogging the Simian

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  •  Northcom is much worse than you think (4.00 / 35)

    Gen. Ralph Eberhart, commander of Northcom, was also in change of NORAD when it stood down and let 9/11 happen.  This is definitely not the guy we want in charge of defending the homeland against "all enemies foreign and domestic".

    Worse than that, as I documented in a diary last year, Northcom has been implicated in running psy-ops against the American people here in the United States under white propaganda programs, using black ops commandos within the USA, and continuing the Poindexter TIA program that Congress tried to shut down (which seems also to be the implication of the questions you quote above).

    You may wish to consider that Northcom would implement any martial law order within the United States.  Eberhart is just the guy for it.

    "Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" - Abraham Lincoln

    by LondonYank on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 03:02:45 AM PDT

    •  More scary NORTHCOM stuff (4.00 / 31)

      Here's an article from the May/June 2005 Mother Jones:

      Battlespace America:

      In early 2004, Sahar Aziz, a law student at the University of Texas at Austin, organized a conference called "Islam and the Law: The Question of Sexism." The seminar attracted several hundred people. Unbeknownst to Aziz, who is Muslim, in the audience were two Army lawyers in civilian attire. They reported to military intelligence that three Middle Eastern men had asked them "suspicious" questions about their identity during a refreshment break. A few days later, two military intelligence agents materialized on campus, demanding to see a video-tape of the seminar along with a roster of attendees.

      Aziz didn't respond and instead helped arrange a press conference. When the Wall Street Journal highlighted the episode in a story about domestic intelligence gathering by the military, the Army's Intelligence and Security Command acknowledged that the agents "exceeded their authority" and introduced "refresher training" on the limits of the military's jurisdiction.

      Read the whole thing.  Really unsettling.


      Blind faith in your leaders, or in anything, will get you killed. -- Bruce Springsteen

      by Plutonium Page on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 03:15:55 AM PDT

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      •  GAO alert data mining. (4.00 / 2)

        GAO Report Reveals Rampant Federal Data Mining

        http://www.findarticles.com/...

        Congress put the kibosh on the Pentagon's Terrorism Information Awareness electronic surveillance program in February, but data mining remains alive and thriving throughout the federal government. A General Accounting Office report released Thursday enumerates nearly 200 data mining initiatives in operation or in the works.

        Scores of data-mining projects that collect and analyze U.S. citizens' personal information are in operation at dozens of federal agencies, the GAO found. Many of the nearly 200 projects planned or already under way rely on data purchased from the commercial sector.

        Read more here about the dropped Terrorism Information Awareness project.

        Civil rights advocates have raised concerns that the government's use of commercial data--rather than data it collects itself--allows agencies to dodge laws protecting citizens' privacy.

        Many of the data mining initiatives use off-the-shelf software packages purchased to improve agency performance or better manage human resources.

        For example, the Air Force uses Oracle HR to manage information related to pay grades, security clearances and promotions; and the IRS uses Oracle Model 33 Partnership Scoring Model to identify noncompliance in partnership tax returns.
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        But many other initiatives draw from a variety of private-sector databases and personal information for the purpose of analyzing intelligence and detecting terrorist or criminal activity. The Department of Defense alone has 47 data-mining projects planned or already in place.

        The Department of Homeland Security, the national clearinghouse for security-related data, draws the most extensively from personal and private-sector information for its data-mining initiatives. One DHS system in operation, called "Analyst Notebook 12," correlates people and events with other, unidentified information.

        DHS's planned "Incident Data Mart" will examine law enforcement and other government logs--such as traffic tickets, drug arrests or gun possession records--seeking patterns and any type of unusual activity. It will mine personal information, private-sector data and data from other agencies.

        Since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, civil rights advocates have raised concerns over the potential for blurring lines between the military and civilian law enforcement.

        The GAO report lists several examples of Pentagon tools for criminal investigation, including an Air Force system called "Modus Operandi Database," which is used to identify and track trends in criminal behavior.

        For insights on security coverage around the Web, check out eWEEK.com Security Center Editor Larry Seltzer's Weblog.

        The report also illustrates the extent to which many federal agencies beyond the Department of Justice are involved in criminal investigation through data mining.

        The Department of Education operates a program called the "Foreign Schools Initiatives National Student Loan Data System," which seeks to detect criminal activity by processing data about financial aid granted to students attending foreign institutions.

        The Department of Energy runs the Counterintelligence Automated Investigative Management System, which tracks cases of individuals or countries that threaten DOE assets. The personal information stored in this database is also used by federal and state law enforcement for national security.

        Check out eWEEK.com's Security Center at http://security.eweek.com for the latest security news, reviews and analysis. Be sure to add our eWEEK.com developer and Web services news feed to your RSS newsreader or My Yahoo page

        Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)

        by fugue on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 09:27:34 AM PDT

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        •  Congressional Research Service: Wiretaps Illegal (none / 0)

          Check it out - the non-partisan Congressional Research Service says the wiretaps are probably illegal:
          Report Questions Legal Basis for Bush's Spying Program
          By ERIC LICHTBLAU
          and SCOTT SHANE
          (New York Times)

          WASHINGTON, Jan. 6 - President Bush's rationale for authorizing eavesdropping on American citizens without warrants rests on questionable legal ground and "may represent an exercise of presidential power at its lowest ebb," according to a formal Congressional analysis released today.
          ...
          ...the analyses of the Congressional Research Service, part of the Library of Congress, are generally seen as objective and without partisan taint, said Eleanor Hill, who served as a Congressional staffer for 17 years and was staff director of the joint Congressional inquiry into the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

          The Perfect Storm of Abramoff, Illegal Wiretapping, Duke Cunningham's wire - 2006 may be a very good year.
      •  Suspicious questions about identity (none / 0)


        Guess they must have asked something outrageous like "Hi, my name is Joe, what is your name?".   Suspicious to someone who is undercover and thinks they stick out like a sore thumb but not to anyone else.


        --
        -6.25, -6.36 Worst. President. Dictator. Ever.

        by whitis on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 03:31:20 PM PDT

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    •  Well then (none / 1)

      Read your diary, can't post in it. Didn't know what this reference was: Payne Stewart.

      Now I do:
      http://www.cnn.com/...

      My. Oh. My.

    •  Let 9/11 happen?! (none / 0)

      WTF?

      What to back that up with some proof?

      •  Proof? (none / 1)

        How about 4 hijacked airliners flying around in the most heavily defended american airspace for 90 minutes without 1 fighter plane scrambled to intercept them? that doesn't seem fishy to you?

        "If being an elitist just means not the dumbest motherfucker in the room, then yeah, I'm an elitist." - Get Yer War On

        by sadair on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 06:13:23 AM PDT

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        •  Fishy yes (4.00 / 2)

          proof, no.

          Ocam is my friend.

          •  the problem with this is (4.00 / 2)

            there will never be proof for a hypothetical black operation like this, if that's what occurred.
            For example, I believe JFK was murdered by the mafia, possibly with some sort of inside help. A majority of Americans don't believe the Warren Commission. But there isn't definitive proof for this.
            You can look up Operation Northwoods, the burning of the Reichstag, the Gulf of Tonkin, and the USS Maine to see other possible examples of state sponsored terrorism against its own citizens to promote a war agenda.
            They're good at creating layers of complexity and confusion to hide what happened.
            That being said, you could use the "there will never be proof" argument to promote any wild explanation for complex historical events.
            So what I'm left with is my own intuition, and after reading about it and looking at the subsequent behavior by this administration, well...I could go on, but NSA is listening!

            "If being an elitist just means not the dumbest motherfucker in the room, then yeah, I'm an elitist." - Get Yer War On

            by sadair on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 08:57:26 AM PDT

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          •  if Ocam is your friend (4.00 / 4)

            you must deal with the fact that Government complicity is a simpler explanation than a large number of unexplained (and highly improbably) "coincidences" . . . (beginning with they wanted something to happen to give themselves an excuse).
          •  Proof? (none / 0)

            If you were standing in front of a guy with your eyes closed and felt someone hit you then open your eyes to see him still simply standing there what would you conclude?

            What's your proof that he hit you?

            Okay, suppose that there were two guys standing there. One of them is your best friend and the other your worst enemy. When you got hit again with your eyes closed and opened them to see both simply standing there what would you conclude?

            Would you conclude anything?

            One more time. Suppose there are three guys in front of you. One is your best friend, one is your worst enemy and one is a stranger. Go through the same exercise. What would you conclude?

            Would you conclude anything?

            Now repeat the above three exercises but replace "hit" with "chopped off your arm" and tell me that you wouldn't conclude something in each and every case. What do you think a jury would conclude?

            I'm Ron Shepston and I'm not done yet. There's much left to accomplish.

            by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 03:45:32 PM PDT

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        •  incompent, yes (none / 0)

          conspiracy? - gotta prove it -

          McCain just flushed his own campaign by his appearance at the FBF on Aug 16th, 2008.

          by shpilk on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 09:33:24 AM PDT

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        •  Add to That... (none / 1)

          ...any attempt at an honest investigation was squished.  It's called 'circumstantial proof'.  I'm hatin' on that.
      •  I didn't post that (none / 1)

        allegation but I too have always wondered why NORAD did not do its job that day.  Why did it "stand down?"  I am a military brat and in school on post they went into great and blinding detail on NORAD and just exactly what was supposed to happen under such circumstance.  And what happened on 9-11 didn't come close to approximating how NORAD was supposed to respond.

        There has never been an adequate explanation of that.  If you have one, I'd be very grateful.  Basically I'm left with the uneasy feeling that NORAD did deliberately stand down or was ordered to.  What I'd like it proof that it didn't and wasn't. Do you have any?

        •  that's why we needed a real investigation (4.00 / 8)

          I get cranky about 9/11 conspiracy theories, but the fact that the Bush administration resisted the investigations so strongly, and managed to cripple the investigation that did happen has always bothered me.  The main reason, is that we need to be sure that the incredible ineptness that occurred that day isn't repeated.  The other reason is that we need to be assured that the incredible ineptness that day wasn't the product of malice.  Because ineptness from our military isn't what was expected.

          Granted, we no longer have Soviet bombers testing our intercept capabilities, so we're out of practice, but scrambling jets is something we've been doing ever since we had radars and jets that were up to the task.

          •  Every time I buy something made in China (none / 1)

            that's made of steel, I can't help but think of the evidence debris that was carted away...creepy!
          •  intercept capabilities (4.00 / 9)

            According to Maj. Douglas Martin, a NORAD spokesman, NORAD scrambled jets and intercepted flights within the US on 67 occasions from September 2000 to June 2001.  It is standard practice to intercept flights which wander off course.

            This page discusses some of the discrepancies in NORAD's tale of what happened on 9/11, and includes this:

            And, [Sen. Mark Dayton, D-Minn.] said, a squadron of NORAD fighter planes that was scrambled was sent east over the Atlantic Ocean and was 150 miles from Washington, D.C., when the third plane struck the Pentagon -- "farther than they were before they took off."

            Dayton said NORAD officials "lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to your 9/11 commission to create a false impression of competence, communication and protection of the American people."

            I also remember that a fighter pilot flying over DC after the Pentagon was hit was without any weapons capability.  At that point Flight 93 was still headed for DC, and there was this fighter jet with no ability to shoot it down.  The pilot requested permission to fly his plane into the passenger jet should it approach any DC landmarks.  That was the only way he could stop an attack.

            I agree, this level of ineptness was not expected.  Is it even believable as mere incompetence?

            I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. -- Mark Twain

            by vinifera on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 07:44:15 AM PDT

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            •  Norad (none / 1)

              From information in the 9/11 report, it appeared to me NORAD lacked the either the ability or the direction to monitor the airspace over the US. The entire program looks to me focused on spotting a Soviet attack. Norad's web site shows where its facilities are located and except for the command center in Colorado, all the of the bases are placed to monitor aircraft over the ocean.

              NORAD admits that prior to 9/11 they were only looking over the ocean:

              Prior to Sept. 11, NORAD was a word that was associated predominately with the Cold War. The eyes and ears of NORAD were focused on aerospace threats that may come from sources far away from the shores of Canada and the United States.

              I consider the fact the we've spent a huge percentage of federal budget on defense but still lack(ed) the infastructure to actually defend the country from anything but the cold war threat, to be an example of extreme incompetence. Apparently, $400 billion plus a year does not actually buy an air defense command that can acutally monitor what is going in the airspace over the country.

              "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." -Stephen Colbert

              by Monkey In Chief on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 08:31:18 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Bullshit. NORAD F-16s shadowed Payne Stewart's (4.00 / 11)

                death plane all the way from Florida until it crashed in Minnesota in 1999 from just a few minutes after it lost contact with ground control.

                It is absolute bullshit to suggest NORAD was only able to look seaward in 2001.  They cover every inch of airspace over North America and can scramble jets up in seconds.

                "Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" - Abraham Lincoln

                by LondonYank on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 09:28:43 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Payne Stewart (none / 1)

                  According to NTSB report, it was 20 minutes before an F-16 arrived and it appears from the report that F-16, flown by a test pilot, who just happened to be in the in vincity.

                  Additionally, air traffic control, not NORAD, reported the incident.  The plane was not flagged as having problem not because it was off course but rather because it did not respond to radio calls.  If controllers hadn't been trying to contact the plane for other reasons, they may have taken hours to notice.

                  "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." -Stephen Colbert

                  by Monkey In Chief on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 12:03:09 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                •  And let's not forget.... (4.00 / 6)

                  ...that the tapes of interviews done with air traffic controllers on 9/11 were taken, smashed, cut up with scissors and deposited in trash cans "around the building" by an executive at the FAA.

                  Now, mislaying them is something you could say was understandable, if extremely incompetent. But destroying them FOUR DIFFERENT WAYS? That's deliberate concealment of evidence, and to me it indicates that someone, somewhere, was saying the words "Where are the fucking interceptors? Why aren't there jets in the air?" on the day.

                  Fool me once, I'll punch you in the fucking head.

                  by HollywoodOz on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 12:21:56 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

              •  I too tend to be (4.00 / 2)

                dubious of this explanation.  Our military has been dealing with plane highjackings within U.S. airspace since the sixties or seventies.  The detection of and response to the apparent 9-11 highjackings should have been routine and in fact immediate response to apparent highjackings in the US has been routine for the past 3 decades at least.

                This is like Sherlock Holmes' dog that didn't bark in the night.  It should have but it didn't.  Why?

                •  Hijacking Response (none / 1)

                  Pre 9/11, standard hijack-ing response might have been to track the plane but definately was not to even consider shooting it down.  Previous hijackings all had the hijackers announcing to the media they had control of the plane and hostages and then making some sort of demand.  The standard response was to avoid inciting the hijackers into killing hostages and buy time to figure out a rescue plan.

                  On 9/11, the hijackers did not announce to the media they had control of plane.  Information that the plane was hijacked had to come from unofficial channels and it appears to me that all branches were throughly unprepared for such an incident.

                  It certainly appears to me from reading excerpts of the 9/11 report that NORAD had no plan for an airplane that was a threat already being in US airspace.  While I find this to be gross incompetence on the part of the national defense establishment, it seems a lot more likely to me than NORAD intentionally diing nothing.

                  Looking at the chronology put together by the 9/11 comission, it's not clear who would have ordered NORAD to do nothing.  Bush after his "My Pet Goat" incident spent the rest of the day flying around   like a scared little rabbit.  Intentionally doing nothing makes no sense either.  Can you imagine how much more "Strong Leader" spin we would have had to endure if Bush had managed to do something to thawrt one of the planes?  It would have been endless.

                  It's hard to accept that $400+ billion defense budgets do not create a plan and infastructure to defend the country but it's really the only explanation that makes any sense.

                  "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." -Stephen Colbert

                  by Monkey In Chief on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 11:54:22 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Standard highjacking (none / 1)

                    procedure also includes "interception" and certain graduated steps starting with signaling the wayward airplane to change course and follow the interceptor jet to land.  Nothing like that happened.  

                    It wasn't till nearly one half hour after the FCC determined that the first plane wandered off course did jets get scrambled to intercept and by then it was way too late.  So where was the dog?  Why the hell didn't it bark?

              •  If not, why not? Remember the PDB? (4.00 / 3)

                That PDB Bush had six weeks prior to 9/11 which was entitled something like: "Planes will be flown into buildings by terrorists"?

                So, why did not the order go out for the military protectors, NORAD, etc. to be ready to protect US cities in the event this happened? Shouldn't that order have gone out immediately? Of course, the vacations should have been cancelled and all military alerted, and so on.

                IT TOOK five years, the deaths of 4,100 US soldiers... to make Iraq safe for Exxon. ~ Derrick Z. Jackson

                by Gorette on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 02:42:37 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Clinton made preparations... (none / 1)

                  During the Olympics in Atlanta, there was a perceived threat that someone might hijack a small cargo plane (think UPS or FedEx), possibly bringing along explosives, and then fly it into one of the Olympic venues.

                  Clinton's administration had armed Blackhawks and armed fighter jets in the area during peak times, and expanded the restricted airspace to provide more opportunity for interception should a plane go off course.

                  So, to re-iterate your point: Why wasn't this done over NYC under Bush?

                  I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. -- Mark Twain

                  by vinifera on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 07:13:40 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

            •  Incompetence as smoke and mirrors... (4.00 / 8)

              Incompetence is a 2fer for these jokers.

              First, it provides total cover and allows for unmitigated waste and corruption...

              ...think Iraq war.

              Second, it increases people's mistrust of our current structure of government.

              These jokers are doing planned incompetence...and doing it well.

              9/11...Iraq...Katrina...it is all the same gameplan.

              With 9/11, the planned incompetence is so outlandish, it is surprising that the American people bought it.  The Payne Stewart plane example is just one of many that demonstrate the effectiveness of NORAD, a capacity which was built up over 50 years and at an expense of trillions of dollars.

              Winners from 9/11: George W. Bush and a whole ream of military and homeland security contractors.

              With Iraq, the low number of troops initially used even though 10 years before the key players, including Powelll believed in overwhelming force, is the first example of planned incompetence.  The second is the rotating viceroys, none of whom were ever given a plan to execute.

              Winners from Iraq: George W. Bush and a whole slew of military contractors.

              With Katrina, "Brownie" is the most glaring example to date of the useful idiot.  He was setup.  Just think if Bush had been able to strongarm the governor and bring troops into Louisiana.  

              Winners from Katrina: unknown if any yet.

              PATRIOT I+II, MCA, FISA CAPITULATION, NOW TORTURE. YOUR COUNTRY IS SLOWLY BEING DISMANTLED. WHAT R U GONNA DO ABOUT IT?

              by maxschell on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 10:30:43 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  One Katrina winner (none / 1)

                They had mercenaries patrolling streets in America for the first time.

                Think about that. Not just our National Guard, but mercenaries.

                Blackwater, et al who our tax dollars have been paying to operate in Iraq.

                Now -- did you hear the hue and cry -- "Get these hired guns off the streets of America?" No.  

          •  Would have been nice... (none / 0)

            ...had the incredible ineptness also resulted in the rolling of some heads after the 'investigations'.
            •  exactly, we all needed closure (none / 1)

              this wasn't some bizarre incident like OK City that nobody could really predict, this was a series of failures that is so bad as to be difficult to grasp.

              Obviously, it was Bush's fault.  But there were plenty of people to fire to get the blame off of his back.  I think Ashcroft was the best target, followed by Rice.

      •  even worth it is hard to proof (none / 0)

        they didn't put it together. in stead of being shocked try to look critically at hard data available eg 911truth.org

        -9.00,-7.79 At least I know Physics!

        by fourtytwo on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 02:00:23 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  The evidence (none / 1)

        The evidence may be mostly circumstantial, but there is a mountain of it. The coincidence theorist's guide to 9/11

        --
        -6.25, -6.36 Worst. President. Dictator. Ever.

        by whitis on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 03:34:56 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  More on JPEN: Who's running it? (4.00 / 4)

      Great diary. Scary, important stuff.

      RL Phillips is providing this homeland defense project overall network security architecture and certification and accredidation support. JPEN is a project managed by Northern Command (NORTHCOM) and the system development is at SPAWAR Systems Center in San Diego, CA. [From RL Phillips's website]

      From their "About us" page:

      The RL Phillips management team bring many years of IT profiency to the table. Drawing from experience at Lucent, Sun Microsystems, Qualcomm, the US Navy, the National Security Agency, Veritas and Goodyear, RL Phillips management employs sound, enterprise-class processes in every engagement. At the same time, our size and dexterity means that we're able to be nimble, responsive, and deliver on specific ROI objectives.

      Founded in June 1998, RL Phillips is located near San Diego, CA. The company employees over 50 technology professionals. RL Phillips serves customers nationwide comprising financial, insurance, bio-tech/life sciences, aerospace, and federal markets.

      Please contact for further information: info@rlphillips.com...


      War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

      by Valtin on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 06:18:31 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  And Even More Scary Stuff about CIFA (4.00 / 14)

      Here's an earlier Diary I did about CIFA It's incredibly scary capabilities and the unbelievable new powers it was recently granted

      here's the Highlights:


      CIFA is a three-year-old agency>whose size and budget remain secret. It has grown from an agency that coordinated policy and oversaw the counterintelligence activities of units within the military services and Pentagon agencies to an analytic and operational organization with nine directorates and ever-widening authority

      Its Directorate of Field Activities (DX) "assists in preserving the most critical defense assets, disrupting adversaries and helping control the intelligence domain," [According to an offical fact sheet"].

      Those roles can range from running roving patrols around military bases and facilities  to surveillance of potentially threatening people or organizations inside the United States.


       They Also  run the so called "Talon" database that they busted for  keeping info on Nuns and Quakers:


      CIFA manages the Pentagon database that includes Talon reports, consisting of raw, unverified information picked up by the military services on suspicious activities that could involve terrorist threats. The Pentagon acknowledged last week that the Talon database contained reports on peaceful civilian protests and demonstrations that should have been purged long ago under Defense Department regulations.

      and they keep all kinds of interesting people on staff too:


      A third CIFA directorate, Behavioral Sciences, "has 20 psychologists and a multimillion-dollar budget," and supports both "offensive and defensive counterintelligence efforts," ...

      COINTELPRO anyone?

      oh? and the Scary new power?  Well they now control More federal Law enforcement officers than anyone but the FBI:


      CIFA's authority is still growing. In a new move to centralize all counterterrorism intelligence collection inside the United States, the Defense Department this month gave CIFA authority to task domestic investigations and operations by the counterintelligence units of the military services.

      CIFA's new authority will give the agency the ability to propose missions to Army, Navy and Air Force units, which combined have about 4,000 trained active, reserve and civilian investigators in the United States and abroad. For example, the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) has 1,935 "federally credentialed special agents,"

      Scared yet?  Where here's one more lovely tidbit that came out after I did my Diary

      CIFA's Director is now Higher in the Pentagon food Chain than any of the Joint Chiefs

      Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

      by Magorn on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 06:36:10 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  This diary... (4.00 / 12)

    ...and the comments are precisely why I love this blog.  Great work.

    -7.75, -7.64 www.politicalcompass.org "When the intellectual history of this era is finally written, it will scarcely be believable." -- Noam Chomsky

    by scorponic on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 03:18:58 AM PDT

  •  OMFG (4.00 / 2)

    is there anything they WON'T do?
    Great diary & recommended.  This needs to be highlighted.

    If you won't pray in our schools, we won't think in your churches.

    by BlueInARedState on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 03:41:07 AM PDT

    •  The more we know, the worse it gets (4.00 / 17)

      When I saw Pincus' article on New Years' Day, the hairs on the back of my neck stood up.  I knew then it was going to be a bad year, as this stuff starts coming out.  It pissed me off so much I ventured a rare diary to bring the article forward.

      Intuition told me that things were bad.  The military's use of this information must at some point run afoul of the Posse Comitatus law, in addition to FISA and God knows how many other laws.  Intuition also tells me that what's going on at the NSA and in Homeland Security (under the malign gaze of Michael Chertoff) will be even worse.

      Thanks, Soj, for a peek inside the police state.  I'll be creeped out all day.

      I can't expect to live in a democracy if I'm not prepared to do the work of being a citizen.

      by Dallasdoc on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 04:51:24 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Every day with every new facet of this story (4.00 / 20)

        I go back to the fact that Bush attempted to take military control of Lousiana from Governor Blanco.  I felt then and more so now that the lack of Federal response was definitely connected to her refusal to give Bush authority to "invade" Louisiana.  I remember at that time thinking that it was really out of bounds for him to ask for that much power.  That was the time that the news was rife with the darker side of the human response to the situation and that Bush was was doing the only thing he knows to do when there is a problem which is to call the Pentagon, but I also had the sense that it must go much deeper.  The stories of the NSA and military spying only underscore, what what I think it is a really pathological power grab.

        I recommend reading the Declaration of Independence every day in 2006 because it seems to me that it has more relevance at this point in the history of the United States than at any time between the time it was written and now.  Reviewing Posse Comitatus and the reasons that it was created is also recommended.  You see the people who came before us saw how bad it could be and put in place safe guards to protect us - people they didn't even know because we weren't even born yet - and I think we should listen to the wisdom of experience NOW.

        •  Problem: bush is above the law (4.00 / 3)

          I dread the day when we find out that Yoo wrote a memo, and bush signed a secret exective order, authorizing martial law.

          I hope I'm wrong.  

          If it comes to pass, I can only pray our military has more of a sense of duty to obey laws than blind obedience to bush.

          •  He may have demoralized the military (4.00 / 2)

            enough that there will be some question as to their dedication to a project that would be mounted against American citizens.  Of course, the reason why Bush has sent primarily National Guard Units and left his military apparatus largely in tact here in the States is something to ponder.  It is a frightening question as a good percentage of Governors would likely not allow their forces to be used against Americans while the Federally controlled military would have a Commander in Chief who has already proven that he doesn't mind.  To extend it out to its logical conclusion, the States' resources are at this time so depleated by Iraq that the National Guard would not be able to defend their states from either an external or god forbid an internal assault.  It is scary really scary.
          •  Former NSA intelligence officer (4.00 / 4)

            "Russell Tice (speaks out) on reports that the Agency has been engaged in eavesdropping on U.S. citizens without court warrants. Tice has volunteered to testify before Congress about illegal black ops programs at the NSA. Tice said, "The freedom of the American people cannot be protected when our constitutional liberties are ignored and our nation has decayed into a police state."

            listen/watch/read
            http://www.democracynow.org/...
            his interview with Amy Goodman.
            (he has no whistle blower protection since congress has not provided that to intelligence officers)

            •  Anyone know (none / 0)

              if the two congressional committees Tice made the offer to have responded?

              I believe I read that he wrote to two committees on Dec. 18.

              Perhaps Conyers' office should get on this.

              Against silence, which is slavery. -- Czeslaw Milosz

              by Caneel on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 12:21:59 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  during the 1/3/06 interview he said that the chm (none / 0)

                of the cttee (that would be Republican, of course) had not responded.

                I hope he chooses to send a copy to the ranking member of the cttee as well as to the Democratic staff of the cttee(s).

                John Conyers would, as you say, also be a good choice.:))

          •  Problem: Bush is nuts. (none / 0)

            Explains it all, kinda like Tim Robbins charactor in Bull Durham, Nuke La Louche, the one Kevin Kostner called "meat."

            Just as spolied and self centered, but insane, too.

    •  Congressional intel briefings violated the law (4.00 / 2)

      which requires the House and Senate Intelligence Committees to be "kept fully and currently informed" about the spy agencies' activities. Specifically, it was a violation of the National Security Act of 1947, according to Rep. Jane Harman, who wrote a letter to George W. Bush on Wednesday (reported in the New York Times yesterday, "Democrat Says Spy Briefings Violated Law"):

      [T]he law allowed briefings to be limited to the eight leaders only in cases of covert action. The National Security Agency program does not qualify as a covert action, which the law says does not include activities whose "primary purpose is to acquire intelligence," [Harman] wrote.

      Harman, a conservative Democrat from California, was one of the few members of Congress briefed on the NSA activities. Her letter identifies what may be an important, perhaps even key, avenue for pursuing impeachment. Yesterday's little-noticed diary on this is well worth a look.

    •  Well, they put government minders (none / 0)

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 08:39:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Question (none / 1)

    So if an American gets lost, drives up to a military gate, and gets into JPEN, are they now on a list of "suspected terrorists," thus subject to illegal wiretapping?  How about the No-Fly List?  
    •  it's all just about gossip (none / 1)

      that becomes the justification; sort of like the nazi's only 60 years ago or the Chinese that outed their teachers, parents, uncles, whatever... We have been living in a gossip culture for the last 20 years.
      •  rumint leads to rubbish (4.00 / 5)

        And in the end the vast mountain of RUMINT being collected will lead to some pretty silly episodes. You know that there is a problem when the TSA has tens of thousands of names on its watch/no-fly lists.

        I just cannot understand how the US intelligence services have so totally lost the plot on the intelligence that really counts - live, reliable human sources that can put all that material that gets intercepted into some sort of coherent context.

    •  I got lost a couple of months ago (none / 0)

      And ending up driving right up to the pentagon.

      (It was dark and rainy, usually I am better at directions than that.   Really!) ;-)

      Anyhow...  I wonder....

    •  Anti-"Terror" Wiki? (4.00 / 2)

      Well, we now have the answer on how Ted Kennedy, James Moore and other anti-Bush figures get on the "no-fly" list.  All it takes is one rabid Republican with database access and a practical joke mentality.  Remember the Wikipedia false Kennedy Assassination story?
      Wikipedia author: False entry was joke
      Writer linked journalist to Kennedy assassinations
      Tuesday, December 13, 2005; Posted: 4:53 a.m. EST (09:53 GMT)
      NASHVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- A man who posted false information on an online encyclopedia linking a prominent journalist to the Kennedy assassinations says he was playing a trick on a co-worker.
      ...
      "I knew from the news that Mr. Seigenthaler was looking for who did it, and I did it, so I needed to let him know in particular that it wasn't anyone out to get him, that it was done as a joke that went horribly, horribly wrong," Chase was quoted as saying in Sunday editions of The Tennessean.
      Garbage in, garbage out - how much time and money is being wasted tracking questionable data?  Who wants to bet the names of prominent Bush Administration critics don't creep into the database due to someone's "practical joke?"

      Another problem is the "Mars Face" problem: seeing connections that aren't really there.  Once enough erroneous data on Bush critics gets into such a database, coincidental unrelated data will sooner or later cause a false positive correlation and make someone look suspicious, especially if you're predisposed to think ill of them.

      Bottom line: all this noise makes it easier for the real bad guys out there to hide while the Bush League chases political opponents.  

    •  Or publish a book ... (none / 1)

      ...critical of the Bush Administration?

      This may explain why James Moore, co-author of the bestselling, Bush's Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential", had trouble at the airport.

      Described in this diary and over at the Huffington Post.

      We're in a culture that increasingly holds that science is just another belief. - Alan Alda

      by sawgrass727 on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 08:56:02 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  pretty soon we'll have neighborhood watch dogs! (none / 0)

  •  You just cut my hair-gel use (4.00 / 6)

    All my hair is standing on end by itself now.

    Shall I send you the savings -- or maybe to the DNC?

  •  Why it is a concern (4.00 / 10)

    to see if patterns develop that could indicate terrorist activities

    This is a concern because there have not been enough terrorist incidents (pray that there never will be) to establish what a pattern of terrorist activities are.  Their pattern matching has to be on theories about what terrorist might do.  Action on those theories has already shown to have swept up innocent people who merely fit a pattern.

    The danger is that such "matches" could produce police action that detains, renders, tortures, or kills people without due process and without a check on whether there is reasonable cause to believe that they are terrorists.

    •  Comparison (4.00 / 21)

      The Republicans have a pattern of Secretaries of State in the states trying to exclude voter participation through all sorts of shenanigans.  The Republicans have a pattern of messing around with voting machines and vote tabulation.  The Republicans have a pattern of running campaigns to have tight elections in which vote fraud might be hidden.

      Voting is key to our safety and liberty.

      Therefore, the President, governors of Georgia, Florida and Ohio, secretaries of state of Georgia, Florida and Ohio, all county Boards of Election members in Georgia, Florida and Ohio, and all CEOs of electronic voting machines should be detained, rendered, tortured, or killed without due process and without a check on whether there is a reasonable cause to believe that they stole elections.

      Most ordinary people think there is probable cause to at least investigate the 2000 and 2004 elections.

      No doubt any such dragnet as I described above of officials involved in a Presidential election would produce innocent people.  Because they were involved in a suspicious "pattern", even if the particulars do not rise to probable cause.

    •  Ok, you are speaking of patterns (none / 0)

      and much of dating mining involves following those, to see if the bad guys can be flushed out.

      So , using that same mentality, what if the patterns indicate that Bush and Cheny and the rest of the Nazis were involved in 911?

      Adn you're right -- it is following the patterns.

  •  Excellent diary. (4.00 / 4)

    Scary, sobering stuff.

    The time is now. Damn it, the time is ALWAYS now!

    by PrairieCorrespondent on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 04:25:35 AM PDT

  •  correction (4.00 / 4)

    Myers is former Chairman of JCOS.

    Otherwise, this is fabulous work. I am still reading it. I love your blog too Soj. Ya'll should check it out.

    i think they're attacking me cause i'm awesome. how's that??

    by missreporter on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 04:28:09 AM PDT

  •  Check out (4.00 / 5)

    this link:
    http://www.fas.org/...

    SECRECY NEWS
    from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy
    Volume 2004, Issue No. 26
    March 9, 2004

    "DRASTIC" CHANGES SEEN IN DOMESTIC MILITARY OPERATIONS
    HHS ESTABLISHES BIOSECURITY ADVISORY BOARD
    DOD DIRECTIVE ON SAFEGUARDING BIOLOGICAL AGENTS
    REP. HARMAN ON "SERIOUS INTELLIGENCE REFORM"
    "DRASTIC" CHANGES SEEN IN DOMESTIC MILITARY OPERATIONS
    In the absence of clear guidelines and effective oversight, the U.S. military is becoming increasingly involved in domestic operations, including surveillance activities that blur the traditional distinction between foreign intelligence and domestic security.

    "Since September 11, 2001,