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Watching Rahm Emmanuel take the weak GOP talking points apart on This Week (hint to GOP: don't try to blame the host for Democratic scandals if you want a sympathetic hearing), it's clear that the Republicans are in an indefensible position. TIME captures why:
"If I fold up my tent and leave," Dennis Hastert told her, "then where does that leave us? If the Democrats sweep, then we'd have no ability to fight back and get our message out."

That quiet admission may have been the most damning one yet in the unfolding scandal surrounding Florida Congressman Mark Foley: holding on to power has become not just the means but also the end for the onetime reformers who in 1994 unseated a calcified and corrupted Democratic majority.

I can't predict elections or seat changes, but what's clear is that the rationale for the existence of the Contract For America class is gone. That means nothing to us (we've known it was nonsense in most areas and too real in others), but it means a great deal to to those who voted for them. This is one of those "the victors write history" thing. The Contract was delivered late in the cycle, no one read it point by point, but it meant one thing:
If you think politicians clinging to power isn't big news, then you may have forgotten the pure zeal of Gingrich's original revolutionaries. They swept into Washington on the single promise that they would change Capitol Hill.
Democrats represent change and at this moment, that's more than enough to garner votes.

Meanwhile, as mentioned several times before there's a heads I win, tails you lose component to the House leadership scandal. While the win for Dems is the kindling of desire for change, fueled by Iraq and fed by Katrina, the loss for the Republicans is the ability to propagandize from the WH about national security and everything else. Oh, they still tell whoppers on a daily basis but no one can hear them. From the WaPo:

Rep. E. Clay Shaw Jr. (R-Fla.) was trying to talk about security Friday at bustling Port Everglades, but with planes roaring overhead and containers slamming onto trucks, nobody could hear him.

That's a common problem for Shaw and Republican candidates around the country these days -- trying urgently 30 days before Election Day to frame a winning message but finding their efforts drowned out by the furor over former representative Mark Foley (R-Fla.).

Time and money are precious commodities as the election draws near. More importantly, this is when the majority of voters, most of whom are not political junkies, make up their mind. What they are hearing is that Iraq policy is a failure, Iraq is in civil war, and by the way, all the GOP cares about is themselves. The GOP fiddles while Iraq burns (aka State of Denial).

Here in CT, the three GOP House incumbents are running ads about how independent thay are and how party doesn't matter. They are not running commercials touting their votes for Denny Hastert. Does it work? Cokie Roberts, the voice of America's scolds, sums up: "America's mothers are furious". "The silliest response from old men" "have we learned nothing from the catholic Church?" etc. If the only reason Hastert is still here is because it's worse for him to leave (for the GOP), that won't wash. And give her credit for this line: counting on voters hating the media and Democrats more than sexual predators is a losing hand. It was refreshing to hear someone say that, even if it was the media.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 07:58 AM PDT.

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  •  Slight problem with the second blockquote (2+ / 0-)
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    Cato come back, flumptytail

    Constitutional Checks and Balances: it's not just a good idea, it's the Law.

    by EeDan on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 06:43:02 AM PDT

  •  Where was Tom? (3+ / 0-)
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    I actually thought Emmanuel was pretty weak-sounding in countering the "oh yeah, well what about Gerry Studds?!" bullshit.  The most telling moment for me came in the introductions, when Stephanopolous had to say Reynolds asked this putz, whoever he was, to substitute for him. Gee, Tom, what'cha doin', huh?  Here was your chance to answer all sorts of questions forthrightly and put this scandal to bed - but you COULDN'T DO IT!!!  Heh, heh.

  •  I was trying to watch Fox News Sunday (10+ / 0-)

    and got sick hearing them defend a sexual predator and talking about 'house keeping'.  This Week doesn't come on here until 12:30.  I can't wait to see Rahm give it to them.  If you want to see how we are really winning our house back--even in the south read RANT's post on Larry Kissell being even in the polls with moron Robin Hayes with Hayes having over a million dollars and Kissell has put all his on tv and reported $88.94 cash on hand.  I gave him $88.94, not often you can give money to a race that it helps this much.  

    We are going to do this and their weak arguments aren't going to work for once.  30 days and counting!

  •  And some of us saw through these pwr-hungry (15+ / 0-)

    . . . bastards from the get-go.

    Glad the rest of the country's finally catching on.  A damn shame that it took so long and caused this nation so much pain -- pain that we're going to have to deal with for a generation, at least (Alito and Roberts on the Supreme Court; the war dead in Iraq; the opprobrium felt by much of the rest of the world towards the U.S.; the credit card- and insurance industry-friendly laws enacted, etc...).


    We're working on many levels here. Ken Kesey

    by BenGoshi on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 06:46:07 AM PDT

    •  We knew over six years ago to be precise!! (1+ / 0-)
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      All we need now for the "coup de grace" (for those who like it plain & simple: the last nail in the coffin- I  like both expressions!) is another sex scandal from the gagging repukes and we're home, or to paraphrase Tenet: it's a slam dunk! are on the March, boy George!!

      by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 07:19:00 AM PDT

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  •  I'm looking forward to a Democratic Congress.... (9+ / 0-)

    It would be the very first time in almost a decade, since someone would finally start paying attention to the American People.We've made enough sacrifices.We've helped everyone else in the world.It's our turn and I hope we start with Universal Health Care.

    For ALL!

  •  Geez if they've lost Cokie Roberts then even (9+ / 0-)
    the syncophants are against them.

    "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again, but already it was impossible to say which was which."

    by Lefty the playwright on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 06:50:49 AM PDT

  •  These guys have everything to lose (6+ / 0-)
    They are war criminals and money launderers and they have allowed Bush to throw the Constitituion in the garbage.
    They will rig elections where they can.

    Proudly defending the Gay Wing of the Republican Party

    by LandSurveyor on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 06:51:17 AM PDT

  •  I thought Emmanuel was weak (1+ / 0-)
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    That GOP guy talked all over him, made sure to get his entire paragraphs stated without being interrupted.  Emmanuel wasn't forceful, let himself get interrupted and diverted into details.  I wasn't impressed.  If that GOP guy is ethically clean (I know, highly unlikely), maybe this is a try-out for speaker.  I note that he's 5th ranking.

    •  heh. (6+ / 0-)

      Kossacks would only be satisfied if Rahm reached over and plucked his eyeballs out and made a necklace of them on national TV.

      I would remind you that the viewers of this show apparently value what Cokie Roberts and George Will think. That's the audience. The important thing that rham did is step on the "it's a D plot". That had no traction, and invoking Stephanopolous asone of the D enablers was just dumb-as-a-post stupid.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 06:56:04 AM PDT

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    •  I don't agree, I think Rahm handled himself well (0+ / 0-)

      What's his name really sounded like he was giving the talking points, which, of course, he was.  And, not to worry, there are no "clean" Rethugs.

  •  I think at this point (1+ / 0-)
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    the narrative that people feel safer keeping the Republicans in power isn't going to fly if they try to steal more races.  There's going to be some serious shit if results are flipped overnight again.  Value voter explanations won't be believed by anyone.

    Love is a temple, love the higher law.

    by ckeesling on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 06:51:32 AM PDT

  •  Bill Kristol on FOX (7+ / 0-)

    just talked about what the GOP strategy will be in the Senate seats and it sounds an awful lot like the fall back that Democrats have lost with over the past few cycles:  the candidates will run ads.

    Now I know that is scary in a way because they do have a lot of money, but it is also perhaps a good sign that even someone like Kristol thinks that their best prospects for winning rely on 30-second ads rather than having the ear of the American people to begin with.  So I am hoping it works as well for them as it has for us in the past - hasn't worked well at all.

    Oh also has anyone noticed that Joe Barton could really be in trouble?  Don Imus is on the war path over the autism legislation that Barton has blocked in the House - Patricia Heaton (a Republican) is crying over the bill on This Week.  According to Imus, all Democrats they have lobbied on this bill have been helpful - only Republicans have blocked because of the environmental study included in the bill - the Republicans are protecting chemical and industrial insterests.

  •  Isn't it sort of telling that most, if not all, (4+ / 0-)

    the examples of Dem corruption the Pubs have been pulling out come from the era when the Pubs benefitted from a sea change in the Congress?

    a hope that may come close to despair

    by epppie on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 06:52:58 AM PDT

  •  The Gingrich Revolution (7+ / 0-)

    This is a pretty big election for the 1994 Revolution.  All those Rs who won on term limits had promised to serve only two terms.

    That means that everyone who WON in 1994 shouldn't be running now.  Yet, here they are.  Conrad Burns, John Kyl, plus a host of others, please stand up.

    I diaried this a smidge ago, if you're interested.

    Someday, kindness and compassion will be seen for what they are --- strengths, instead of weaknesses.

    by RogueJim on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 06:53:05 AM PDT

  •  Best line from that show (3+ / 0-)
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    George Will on GOP spending in House campaigns ...

    "The Republicans' financial advantage is not really as big as the Yankees' financial advantage."

  •  Great photo link for graphics hounds (2+ / 0-)
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    elephant and two lightning bolts

    Slow Thinkers-- Please Stay in the Right Lane

    by skywriter on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 06:56:15 AM PDT

  •  Minor Typos (1+ / 0-)
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    Democrats reprsent change and at this moment, that's more than enough to garner votes.

    Meanwhile, as mentioned several tims before

    "[T]hat I have no remedy for all the sorrows of the world is no reason for my accepting yours. It simply supports the strong probability that yours is a fake."

    by Heronymous Cowherd on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 06:57:05 AM PDT

  •  GOP seeks to continue endangering teens (3+ / 0-)

    It's no surprise that GOP leadership didn't give a hoot about teens being endangered by Foley. This is the same leadership, made up mostly of men who never fought, who endanger and exploit innocent teens every day by sending them off to a pointless war.

    So when Hastert whines about the importance of the GOP maintaining power, he means, in part, their power to continue exploiting teens, by pouring them into the Iraq meat-grinder.

    This GOP is all about exploiting the weak. This includes the rich but vulnerable teens in the page program, but it also includes the infinitely more vulnerable working-class teens who seek a career ladder in our armed forces.

  •  Guardians of Power (2+ / 0-)
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    We have all heard “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”.  And the GOP has driven this point home.  You can tie every single issue in this election back to the GOP’s absolute conviction that power above all else is important.

    The Foley matter makes it so clear that no one can miss it.  But Iraq and the Bush’s version of a war on terror is another.  All talk and no meaningful reasons for his actions.  It is just a talking point to retain power that, oh by the way, has killed more Americans than bin Laden’s famous attack.  Policies that allow the oil companies to jack up prices and play economic politics.  Just another Enron, but with better political cover.  Health care?  Lost in an error of deficits going to Halliburton.  Yep, it’s all about the power reward those who fund the party of the corrupt, the Guardians of Power.

    And when the Democrats sweep in, remember power corrupts.  We, the voting public, need to make sure the elected Democrats hold the government accountable.  We are not like GOP and must hold to these principles.

    We need to reach out to all groups from the family values folks to the gay community.  We need to teach tolerance and fair play.  And we need to promote families.

    But for now, we beat the GOP on their abuses of power.  But also learn the lessons.  No more compliancy, please.  We want accountability for one and all.

    Do the right thing 'casue it feels better.

    by John Boy on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 07:04:50 AM PDT

    •  I was talking to an elderly friend (4+ / 0-)
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      who has been not only a republican, but a church-induced one for years.

      When I told her about the Foley scandal, her eyes clouded with tears.  Her church has been working hard to get rid of anything homosexual for years and trumpeted the republican party for being their saviors.

      All she could say is, "They have too much power."

      I wanted to say, "And you and your church and the thousands of other churches unquestioningly GAVE them that power -- over an issue that has nothing to do with our nation's security or 'family values'."  But I left it alone; she seemed to be suffering enough.

    •  This has been evident about the republicans (2+ / 0-)
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      since Reagan was elected. "We are entitled. Only we have the right to be elected."

      It reached its ugliest public pinnacle in Florida in 2000: Kathryn Harris and Karen Hughes. "How dare anyone suggest George Bush did not win this election?! Damn the votes. Who cares about the votes."

      This assumption comes bursting forth all the time from ordinary citizens who should know better - and need to be taught some lessons about what America is about. I've heard it. I'm sure you have, too. This kind of thing:
      "How dare they let them say those things on the radio?" (Air America)
      "How dare they let him (Democratic candidate) post his filthy lawn signs in our neighborhood?"
      "How dare they criticize our president in the newspaper? This proves they are terrorists."

  •  Between the lines (6+ / 0-)

    If the Democrats sweep, then we'd have no ability to fight back and get our message out.

    Isn't there an unintentional description here of the Republican approach to democracy? He's anticipating that Democrats will have as much contempt for the right of the minority to speak, introduce legilsation or influence debate as the Republicans have had since they came to power.

    "I thought you were going to ask me about the pig."

    by Red Bean on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 07:05:37 AM PDT

  •  This was all planned in 1994 (3+ / 0-)

    Please Read Item #10 of the "Contract with America":

    Citizen Legislature Act


    This resolution provides for consideration of two joint
    resolutions which propose amendments to the constitution limiting
    the number of terms members of the Senate and the House of
    Representatives can serve.  The first  joint resolution
    (identical to H.J.Res. 38 as introduced in the 103rd Congress)
    limits the number of Senate terms to two and the number of House
    terms to six.  
    The second joint resolution (identical to H.J.Res.
    160 as introduced in the 103rd Congress) also limits Senators to
    two terms, but it limits members of the House to three terms.  
    Under the terms of this resolution, the joint resolution with the
    text of H.J.Res. 38 will be debated first and the first amendment
    in order will be a substitute consisting of H.J.Res. 160.  


    The idea of limiting the tenure of elected officials has recurred
    through our history, but it has become more popular in the last
    few years.  In 1992, 14 states passed initiatives limiting the
    tenure of federal legislators. Two of these laws, however, have
    been challenged and found unconstitutional in court.  The U.S.
    Supreme Court will review the ruling by the  Arkansas Supreme
    Court.  Since there is a chance the high court will uphold the
    state court's ruling, a constitutional amendment may be necessary
    to limit congressional tenure.  

    Time's up for the Republican control of Congress.

    You see, Republicans do keep their word.  OR: When you make a deal with the devil...

    /s ?

    Notice: This Comment © ROGNM

    by ROGNM on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 07:13:37 AM PDT

  •  John Warner, Virginia (1+ / 0-)
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    I think Warner's recent statements about Iraq really need to be dissected by Kos.
    Warner has said some pretty shocking things, including expressing anger he was ill informed about sectarian culture in Iraq.

    Proudly defending the Gay Wing of the Republican Party

    by LandSurveyor on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 07:16:12 AM PDT

    •  it's coming (1+ / 0-)
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      iraq is falling apart. See MB's post earlier.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 07:21:54 AM PDT

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    •  Warner Has A Staff That Could Have Given Him (1+ / 0-)
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      at least as much information as most of us here ferreted out from public sources during the run-up to the war.  (Obviously, he could have gotten much more than we did.  He - and all the other BushCo enablers - only has himself to blame.)  

      I don't trust Warner or his comments.  He's probably setting the stage for Baker's post-electuon Iraq proposals - which if Warner's got a clue sound a lot like Biden's almost year-old plan.

  •  Boycott ABC??? (0+ / 0-)

    Well, I guess we know how long this crowd can maintain a position of conscience/stand on principle.
    Come on, group--admit it--it was all a pose.

    Abigail, I'm sure if there is something out there, looking down on us from somewhere else in the Universe, they're wise enough to stay away from us. --Grissom

    by world traveler on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 07:17:34 AM PDT

    •  wtf are you talking about? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 07:22:24 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Try to remember (1+ / 0-)
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        The first sentence: watching This Week.
        This Week is broadcast on ABC.
        If you remember, several weeks ago, ABC broadcast a certain "docudrama", and this blog exploded in indignation, with so many people pledging to never watch ABC, boycott ABC sponsors, give up "Lost" and "Desperate Housewives," etc.
        Now we have a thread with people commenting on an ABC show as if it was the right, normal, perfectly ok thing to do.
        What a difference three weeks makes.

        Abigail, I'm sure if there is something out there, looking down on us from somewhere else in the Universe, they're wise enough to stay away from us. --Grissom

        by world traveler on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 07:32:39 AM PDT

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    •  I'm still boycotting them. (2+ / 0-)
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      This wasn't something every participant here agreed to do. It wasn't a pose. And we're not that kind of a group.

  •  Words of advice for the GOP: (0+ / 0-)

    When you're looking into the abyss, make lemonade!

    It is simply an insult to those who came before us and sacrificed so much on our behalf to imply that we have more to be fearful of than they did. -Al Gore

    by kitebro on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 07:30:26 AM PDT

  •  Yesterday evening... (1+ / 0-)
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     Watching the Tigers-Yankees game on the DC station, an ad for incumbent Virginia congressman Tom Davis came up. Never did he mention that he's a Republican. He just kept saying what a wonderful bipartisan guy he was. (He isn't; he's a loathsome wingnut.) If the Yankees had scored a run for every time Davis said "bipartisan", they would have won last night...

    Meanwhile, here in Maryland, Michael Steele runs and hides under the table whenever anyone asks him what party he represents. And his latest ad pathetically tried to convince voters that "i'm my own man" and "it's not true that i'm in the president's hip pocket".   When they get defensive it's usually a good sign...

    "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

    by Buzzer on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 07:31:33 AM PDT

  •  the Diebold factor (8+ / 0-)

    If digital ballot stuffing on electronic voting machines goes unchecked in these midterms, you're going to see a lot of miraculous comebacks for Republicans who were trailing in the polls.

    We need fraud prevention more than get-out-the-vote operations on election day.  No computers going home with volunteers.  No unsupervised access to the machines.  

    On the other hand, those "patches" we heard stories of several weeks ago can be applied ahead of time, so... exit polling?  And this time we don't just scratch our heads at discrepancies?

    If any cornered-animal GOP incumbents didn't know about the opportunity for ballot stuffing before the recent stories about "patches" surfaced, they're certainly having some discreet conversations with certain loyal supporters on the county and precinct level now.  Most likely they won't think of themselves as committing fraud.  They'll imagine themselves balancing out some supposed Democratic perfidy.

    Is there a way to detect software irregularity before the election begins?  I would say target for scrutiny the precincts that showed discrepancies from the exit polling in '04.  

    It's naive to think that with the wide open fraud opportunity these paperless machines represent, the results will come out fair and square without any effort on our part.

  •  Great diary! Oh, where's Al Rodgers??? (1+ / 0-)
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    I hope he's O.K.  and hasn't sustained another injury that takes him out of the game for awhile.  We need him!  

    I now return you to the aforementioned excellent diary...

    "You underestimate Bush at your peril: it takes a brilliant man to feign utter and complete globe-spanning stupidity." Hunter of DailyKos

    by mrclean on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 07:41:25 AM PDT

  •  It takes a scandal (1+ / 0-)
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    like this to finally get some in the msm to report and speak the truth, otherwise they would still be repeating the talking points of the GOP, doesn't sound like a free press to me, more like a clone of fascism similar if not like Pravda, shame on the msm, you are partly to blame for Americas predicament.

  •  Yeah, their "message": We want to continue (1+ / 0-)
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    screwing you, both figuratively and literally.

    The so-called "Press" seems to have transmogrified into a bunch of gossipy harridans, nothing more.

    by lecsmith on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 07:59:13 AM PDT

  •  CT questions (0+ / 0-)

    Flash forward to Nov 8, if the 3 Rs win their house seats on Lieberman's coattails, are you sorry Lamont was made a national issue?  How is it playing out--is Joe L's refusing to bow out hurting other dem candidates?  Will he definitely caucus with the dems if he wins?  Should Lamont's allies try to prop up the R candidate, a la Santorum and the Green party?

    Finally, what happens to the D party if it fails to achieve victory, majority, in either Chamber?  We need to win something--preferably the Senate--or we become Humpty Dumpty after the fall.

    •  people in CT really dont tie the Senate and House (2+ / 0-)
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      together. If Joe wins he's highly likely to caucus with D's despite his recruitment. He can't afford not to. He's making his "integrity" a centerpiece of reelection, and he's useless without the image.

      On the off chance the Dems take neither house, there's a Dem civil war.

      But on the more likely chance that the D's do win at least the House, there'll be a HUGE R civil war. That's the topic of a later post.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 08:41:50 AM PDT

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      •  caucus (1+ / 0-)
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        'If Joe wins he's highly likely to caucus with D's despite his recruitment. He can't afford not to. He's making his "integrity" a centerpiece of reelection, and he's useless without the image.'

        He already has no integrity--he bolted the party contract when he ignored the primary--and will be willing to sell himself to the highest bidder.  Can the Ds offer him a chairmanship after that?  Won't the Rs offer the moon if that's what it takes to keep their majority?  And he'd be sure to frame his defection as in the best interests of the US in this time of terror.

  •  If Kos is Right (1+ / 0-)
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    Emanuel was very good today, but I will not be too disappointed if Kos is right about Democratic takeovers next month.

    I have the overwhelming sense that the US is about to undergo an historic, National Humiliation in Iraq in the two years that even Jim Baker can do nothing about.  American forces may have to abandon the field in a humiliating failure.  Witness the rapid rise in casualties this month.

    If Republicans stew in their own colossal failure for another two years, with no one else to blame, then the Democratic victory in 2008 will be something to behold.

  •  Rahm kicked ass (1+ / 0-)
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    dude... that man put some smackdown - and the R's just looked desperate and angry.  Love how Rahm seemed level headed the whole time.  That was a great way to start my morning.  Better than a cup of coffee

    Work together to save the world.

    by Sarahkatheryn on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 08:55:42 AM PDT

  •  Its Time to Drain the Swamp (2+ / 0-)
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    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 09:21:14 AM PDT

  •  Yes, but... (2+ / 0-)
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    Did the Contract for America come with a Signing Statement?

  •  foley vs the nudists (0+ / 0-)

    Here's some fun hypocrasy: Foley attacking a nudist camp and called them child molesters! Heh!

  •  Remember Newt saying "Dems are Stalinists"? (0+ / 0-)

    It was hogwash, of course. It was/in an outrageous exaggeration re: Dem attachment to gov't programs. It was really a form of lie--the kind that "creates reality".

    The nature of the current moment, especially after Foley, is that GOP has suddenly lost its ability to define the Dems in this. We need to seize that opportunity.

    So I agree with DemfromCT (I am too) that Dems now represent change, but WE CANNOT DO SO BY DEFAULT. It's time to show we are both pragmatic and serious about government, with policies that make sense (not hard, compared to the Bush administration, but take nothing for granted . . .not even the House leadership mess . .

  •  What message? (0+ / 0-)

    The Pubbies will always have Fox, CNN, and soforth to get out their message. Why the tears?

    And what message? The GOP is gayer than the Dems? Has kinkier gay guys? That Michael Moore has competition for XXL clothing from guys uglier than him?

    At this point they have little say, but plenty of ways of keeping others from being heard.

  •  "even if it was the media"? (1+ / 0-)
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    you mean ESPECIALLY b/c it was the media. They don't suck because they're the media, they suck because they get it wrong so often. when they get it right, I for one am glad.

    "When people think, Democrats win." - Bill Clinton

    by Todd Beeton on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 12:04:35 PM PDT

  •  oh and best line from 'this week'... (2+ / 0-)
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    belonged to Emmanuel:

    "The Republicans are in breach of contract."


    "When people think, Democrats win." - Bill Clinton

    by Todd Beeton on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 12:05:33 PM PDT

  •  Don't blame the guest, either (2+ / 0-)
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    (hint to GOP: don't try to blame the host for Democratic scandals if you want a sympathetic hearing)

    Emmanual, like Stephanopoulous, worked for the "(Scaife-funded) scandal-ridden" Clinton White House. Putnam was tag-teamed and cleared outmatched--and outclassed.

    Given Reynolds no-show, Hastert's refusal to answer questions and the corruption among the rest of its leadership, the GOP is reduced to being represented by the Seven Dwarves.

    And they're all Dopies.

    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

    by kovie on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 12:24:42 PM PDT

    •  Except that (0+ / 0-)

      Dopey was the most lovable and republicans are not.

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      by Sassy on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 02:57:19 PM PDT

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      •  True (0+ / 0-)

        And I sincerely apologize for that.

        Don't forget, though, who owns the Dopey and Seven Dwarves character--our dear political fantasyland friends who put out Path to 9/11 last month.

        So perhaps Dopey was a right-wing troll all along?

        If so, then who is Snow White in this scenario?

        Any guesses? I have a few of my own.

        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

        by kovie on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 03:01:33 PM PDT

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  •  It is interesting .... (0+ / 0-)

    I saw This Week -- and yes, the GOPer DID attempt to diss George.  But I saw that about an hour after I saw another such thing -- on MSNBC.  The host, a female, had on 2 talk shows hosts -- Mike Malloy, the lefty, and some dimwit GOPer.  At the end, the GOPer completely insulted the host by claiming that "no wonder her ratings were in last place."

    When I saw that, I thought, "How stupid -- he will never get on that network again."  Then, when I heard about This Week, I thought it was a tad too coincidental.  I suspect the right-wingers, in desperation, are attacking the press -- personally -- now.

    Keep your eyes and ears open .....

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