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A potential bombshell has landed smack in the middle of the Florida Governor's race and there's no telling right now how or to whom the damage will be done. For some time, I've heard rumors circilating that called into question Republican Charlie Crist's sexual orientation. Now, Independent candidate Max Linn has decided to call him out.

Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist has been the subject of speculation for several years but on Wednesday a political opponent used National Coming Out Day to say he's known for years that Crist is gay.

Appearing on WFTL, a South Florida news-talk station, independent gubernatorial candidate Max Linn said it is common knowledge in Tallahassee that Crist is gay.

And, Linn said it is time Crist acknowledged it.

"Charlie come out, come out from wherever you are," Linn said during an interview on the station.

Linn said he has known Crist for 25 years and even worked to help get him elected to other offices and that he's "a good guy."

The Crist campaign said Thursday it would not comment.  A spokesperson for U.S. Rep. Jim Davis, the Democrat running for governor, also declined to comment.

As I mentioned, he's been the subject of rumors for a long time. Even his primary opponent tried to fsn the flames of speculation.

During the gubernatorial primary Crist's opponent for the GOP nomination, Tom Gallagher, continually assailed Crist as "soft on homosexuals".

While I'm not sure if this is going in a healthy direction, the cloak of secrecy that shielded the true relationship between Republican operatives and the gay community should be lifted and those who enable bigotry of the Religous Right should be exposed. Let the chips fall where they may.

Originally posted to RandyMI on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 07:53 PM PDT.

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  •  If true, beautiful. (1+ / 0-)
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    auditor
    •  Max Linn has been "outing" Crist for six weeks (4+ / 0-)
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      Phoenix Woman, deben, litho, auditor

      or more. It's his only talk radio trick, and it's getting him airplay on the rightwing radio circuit. And here in Fla., that's almost all the radio we have.

      Crist's personal life is just that. But what nobody in rightwing radio land wants to talk about (and, oddly enough, no one in this diary has mentioned yet as of 11:57 pm est)) is that Crist is Fla's attorney general, the state's highest law enforcement officer, the guy who has more influence investigating Mark Foley than anyone in Fla., and the Fla. Dept. of Criminal Law Enforcement (FDCLE) is "investigating" Foley's online solicitations very s l o w l y a n d m e t h o d i c a l l y so as to hold off any revelations until after Crist is safely in office.

      Crist's personal life is no big deal. His manipulation of the Foley investigation is par for the (Republican) course.

  •  "Soft on homosexuals?" (9+ / 0-)

    That's the most puzzling part of the story for me. With echoes of "soft on communism."

    Last time I checked, being gay was not a crime.

  •  Well (3+ / 0-)
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    gmb, PatsBard, blueoasis

    at least the job of mainstreaming that went to a third party candidate. That's always useful for preventing the negative effects of claiming such things from hurting Davis.

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 07:52:54 PM PDT

  •  Very sad (13+ / 0-)

    Sad that anyone cares who he sleeps with. I don't...except...if he's gay then why is he enabling the gay-hating party. I guess that's a valid question. I wish it weren't, but sadly it is.

    What kind of bizarre mindset induces gays to be Republicans. It's like a black person joining the KKK. Frikkin' weird.

    Whackos get their info thru the Christian right. We'll bring them out to vote against something and make sure the public lets the whole thing slip past them.

    by chemsmith on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 07:53:11 PM PDT

    •  He's denied it several times (5+ / 0-)
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      GayHillbilly, Dallasdoc, gmb, nehark, Vereker

      No dancing around the subject - flat out denials. So for Republicans, lying is okay, but being an out gay man isn't.

      Republicans: They can't protect our youth. They can't protect our country.

      by PatsBard on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 07:58:29 PM PDT

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      •  Oh, well then (2+ / 0-)
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        nehark, PatsBard

        Never heard a closet case issue a flat-out denial before.  Guess it's a closed question.

        The beauty of this rumor is that it only matters most to the people who'd be voting for Crist anyway.  As the old saying (almost) goes:  It's not the gay, it's the coverup.

        -4.50, -5.85 In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. --Orwell

        by Dallasdoc on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:01:54 PM PDT

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    •  I'd like to discuss that issue. What DOES induce (3+ / 0-)
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      Sandy on Signal, gmb, Steffo

      gay people to be Republicans?

      Surely it can't be identification with "family values" as defined by the Republicans. Is it a fetishizing of economic success? Is it nationalism? I'd love to know what it is.

      •  wolfie asked the head of the log cabin (6+ / 0-)
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        Lois, GayHillbilly, gmb, auditor, blueoasis, Steffo

        publicans that very question the other day.  

        Short answer?   money.

        "Facts are stupid things"-- Ronald Reagan 1988

        by dougymi on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:01:44 PM PDT

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      •  I know plenty of gay people who. . . (2+ / 0-)
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        brittain33, gmb

        . . . crazy evangelicals and bigotry aside, would probably be perfectly happy with old school Republicanism.  In particular on tax issues and general issues of libertarianism -- especially not having to support public education.

        Is America finally suffering from Idiot Fatigue?

        by LarryInNYC on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:08:25 PM PDT

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      •  All the same reasons (2+ / 0-)
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        gmb, blueoasis

        Heterosexuals support the GOP (minus the gay hatred plank, though self-loathing closet cases might be in it for that reason as well).

        cheers,

        Mitch Gore

        Want control of Congress? Put you money where your mouth is

        by Lestatdelc on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:09:08 PM PDT

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        •  The thing is, when you start down this road.... (3+ / 0-)
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          gmb, joliberal, Wendy in FL

          where do you stop?  I mean, who COULD logically vote republican?  Not gays, since repubs hate them, not minorities since rethugs want them all to be a permanent underclass except a few token "Oreos", not women because of choice and wanting them to be subservient to men, not anyone who works for a living, and at the end of the day the only group that I can see logically voting republican is very rich straight white men who don't give a damn about anything except keeping their money and getting more.  

          But obviously they've suckered a lot more people than this 1-2% of the population into voting for them...  

    •  not not like KKK (1+ / 0-)
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      ChiGirl88

      No, it isn't the same thing, because with some gays, financial issues such as taxes attract them to the republican party. Some are more interested in the political economic aspects than they are in the political social issues...

      Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.

      by pollbuster on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:14:16 PM PDT

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      •  That is just so wrong (0+ / 0-)

        Greedy fucks, to ally themselves with a poliitical party that wants to deny their basic civil rights - over money.

        It almost makes me want to say that gay Republicans deserve the treatment they get from their party.  But I try not wish bad stuff on anyone because it might bounce back on me.  But that's just wrong.

  •  I'm glad (6+ / 0-)

    so sick of hearing the Republicans villify the gays.  Time for the "holier than thou" folks to be called out.  It is also a time when we  need to say honesty is a  moral value,  not someone's sexuality.  

    "I'm not going to take a lecture on morality from a party that took hush money from a child predator." - Rep. Harold Ford

    by Sandy on Signal on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 07:57:09 PM PDT

  •  I don't get it (1+ / 0-)
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    Lois

    Why do people think they can lead this double life?  If you're going to be a gay republican and run for office, go for it!!   But why try to hide it, and worry and obsess about maybe it getting out?  Then you've got yourself a scandal.

    Just be who you are, be honest, and run with it.  If you win, it will be on your own terms.

    • Chris.

    ---- www.bluespaceradio.com New Wave and beyond.... music with no boundaries.

    by Northern Lad on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 07:57:47 PM PDT

    •  Because (2+ / 0-)
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      eeff, boofdah

      he might identify with positions that the Democratic party doesn't want to stand behind -- tax cuts, or some other perceived pro-business stance. The gay community isn't monolithic either. But it is sad that he feels he can't run openly as a Gay Republican. I imagine (without knowing) it's pretty hard in the Deep South in particular to be gay and win widespread acceptance. If I'm wrong, apologies to y'all.

  •  He's Been Married (3+ / 0-)
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    gmb, auditor, Vereker

    According to the St. Petersburg Times...

    Crist has already answered questions about his sexual orientation, saying he is not gay, just single.

    He's also been married before...

    While in law school, Crist married Amanda Morrow in Delray Beach. The 1979 marriage lasted a little more than six months. They divorced in January 1980. Crist does not comment about the marriage but has said in the past that the two were just too young.

    Crist has no children, lives in an apartment, lets his father handle his finances, drives a Jaguar and owns a small fishing boat. He rises every morning at 5:30 and swims laps every day. When he travels, his staff finds him hotels that have a pool. Trim and tanned, Crist said he eats one full meal a day but also nibbles during the day.

  •  Not cool... (7+ / 0-)

    to out people aginst their will. Doesn't change my opinoin about him, since I wasn't going to vote for him any way.

    Take back Congress! Ron Klein for FL-22!

    by weelzup on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 07:59:59 PM PDT

    •  Yeah well... (5+ / 0-)

      Considering who he's been whoring himself out for (Republicans), I say he deserves it.

      Those pigs have screwed this country up so much that I don't have the slightest bit of remorse for anything politically bad happening to any Republican anywhere...   They ALL deserve to be removed from public office, at every level of government imho.

      If Crist doesn't want to deal with this kind of crap, then he shouldn't belong to the political party known for "swiftboating" the opposition with rhetoric 10x more unethical... What goes around comes around.

      Will someone give Bush a bj already, so that he can be Impeached?

      by jaosnhouse on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:12:25 PM PDT

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      •  Live by homophobia, die by homophobia (2+ / 0-)
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        GayHillbilly, jaosnhouse

        It would be only fitting to see the Republicans screw themselves out of the Florida governor's mansion because of this.

      •  Another point of interest speaking of Swifties... (0+ / 0-)

        Crist actually HIRED the Swift Boat people to go negative on Jim Davis. Because he's currently so far ahead of Davis in the polls, he hasn't felt the need to get out the big Swift Boat guns (just yet).

        I agree with you, JH. Crist being a closeted gay man who enables the party responsible for engendering so much hatred for and vilification of the GLBT community and their rights is one thing, and that's bad enough. To hire the most deceitful and despicable of campaign propagandists as the Swifties makes Crist fair game for any information that puts him in a negative light with his voters IMNSHO.

        FWIW, I know some very well-connected ppl in the GLBT community in FL who have essentially guaranteed Crist's outing if he even tries to move forward with a statewide ban on same-sex marriage or adoption (a topic which he's been dancing around to not piss off the Fundies).

    •  What if (3+ / 0-)
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      What if the outed was joining in the gay bashing? Is it then ok to out him? Does backing other gay bashers (Republicans, religious right) make any difference?

      I don't know if any of the above applies to Crist, just trying to decide where the line should be drawn. Without much consideration yet, I think it would not take too much hypocrisy before I'd be ok with an outing.

      Republicans have nothing to fear but the absence of fear itself.

      by factbased on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:12:34 PM PDT

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    •  I disagree in this case... (9+ / 0-)

      Republicans have used the demonization of gay people as a wedge issue against the Dems for decades all the while privately knowing and approving of gay people in their families and as colleagues in the workplace. If Crist is an impediment to gays seeking equal recognition under the law I don't have a problem with him being outed. It's time for the disconnect between who the Republicans are on television and who they are in reality to end. So much of what they claim to believe seems to be a lie. And it hurts people.

      There's nothing wrong with love.

      by Crestingwave on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:13:07 PM PDT

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    •  I have mixed views on it (4+ / 0-)
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      2lucky, gmb, Crestingwave, blueoasis

      I am all for outing actively anti-gay hypocrites. The ones that do not actively advocate anti-gay policies, I tend to side with the "it's nobody's fucking business" (pun noted) position.

      cheers,

      Mitch Gore

      Want control of Congress? Put you money where your mouth is

      by Lestatdelc on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:13:43 PM PDT

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    •  Depends (2+ / 0-)
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      gmb, auditor

      outing someone like McGreevey, who was not anti-gay and even legalized domestic partnerships in NJ, would have been unwarranted. Outing someone who assists in the persecution of gays, like Crist, is a different story.

      •  I agree. If somoene runs for (0+ / 0-)

        office and is homophobic during the day, but is looking for same sex loving at night, out him or her.  You can't have it both ways.  Period.

      •  Say what? (1+ / 0-)
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        timdauwalter

        Sorry, but outing Mcgreevey was totally warranted... The guy gave a person he was crushing on a high paying govt job that he wasn't even qualified for, and then proceeded to sexually harass that person!

        A refresher for those with selective memories

        Mcgreevey's problem wasn't that he was gay, it is that he was corrupt, and let his winkie do the thinking for him. It's not unlike the Foley issue... It's not that Foley tried to screw boys, it's that he tried to screw children, and his HOR pals covered for him for years...

        Will someone give Bush a bj already, so that he can be Impeached?

        by jaosnhouse on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:24:13 PM PDT

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  •  All Depends On Media Reaction (2+ / 0-)
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    I read on a gay site that there are several gay/liberal blogs are working on "outing" some closeted GOPers including a very high member of the GOP House Leadership (probably David Drier).  They also mentioned that a very prominent GOP Governor candidate would be also....that a reporter was working on a story and was just verify things before coming out with it.  

    I immediately knew the subject of the potential outing was Charlie Crist.  Like Foley he is seen as somewhat moderate especially on gay issues which his GOP opponent tried to use against him in the GOP Gubernatorial primary.  I was suprised that Gallagher didn't just outright "out" Crist then.  

    Crist leads by 10-13pts now.  If this story gets out it really could change the dynamics of this race.  Would conservative GOP voters still vote for him if they had reason to believe he was gay?  

  •  Wasn't Crist invoved in Foley mess (2+ / 0-)
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    I remember Crist possibly being involved in the Foley matter. It had something to do with when he was Attorney General. I think this matter is now under investigation. Perhaps the IMS between Crist and Foley now need to be looked into. I'm just trying to help.

    Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.

    by pollbuster on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:37:29 PM PDT

    •  Exactly (2+ / 0-)
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      pollbuster, davidkc

      Crist is currently the AG and frankly, how could he not know about Foley? The democratic party of Florida has subpoenaed documents from Jeb and Crist on this issue. We'll see what comes of it.

    •  Crist and Foley served in FL Senate together (1+ / 0-)
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      boofdah

      According to the Sun-Sentinel, Crist served in the state Senate with Foley for two years in the early 1990s and has joined him at fundraisers for the state Republican Party.

      On Wednesday the Florida Democratic Party on Tuesday asked Crist's office for any e-mails or other records it has pertaining to Foley and his inappropriate contacts with congressional pages. This is their indirect way, I think, to link Crist with Foley.  You can read more here.

  •  If Max Linn is behind this... (1+ / 0-)
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    auditor

    ...then there's really no story here.

    Linn is an independent candidate for governor of Florida. Per his web site, he claims to be socially progressive.

    Here's his web site's sole statement on gay rights: If the Florida legislature recognized civil unions I would accept that.

    Zowee, well knock my socks off. If that's his display of leadership, Linn should go back to his desk job right now.

    Linn rails against Rep and Dem for "politics as usual" attitudes yet Linn has made this charge against Crist as one of his stronger themes against Crist.  

    Why?

    Because Linn is playing politics by trying to disaffect some of Crist's base.

    Instead, I wish that Linn was railing against widespread homophobic attitudes that cause people like Crist to stay in the closet.  

    But that would take real leadership.

  •  This is not outing (2+ / 0-)
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    auditor, curtadams

    Saying someone is gay - people have said that about Crist before.

    Unless Linn has some kind of evidence, then no one will care.

  •  Deleted my Diary for this one... (1+ / 0-)
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    GayHillbilly

    My headline thoughts on this.

    THE GOOD:

    = Once this story ripples through Florida, Davis could conceivably pull off a win here.

    = In Florida and nationally, this story will further deflate the Religious Right radicals from turning out on election day.

    = It will increasingly be impossible for gays and lesbians to make a career out of aiding and abetting the Gay-Hating Republican Party for their own personal and political gain.

    THE BAD:

    = Right-wing conservatives will blame gays for everything, launch a purge, and hurt a lot of honest Americans --particularly thos who opposed the radical Republican agenda.

  •  Why this matters (2+ / 0-)
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    I just moved to Florida and didn't really know anything about Crist.  When I saw the first Crist ads an television this fall, I gathered that he was a right-wing conservative.  His ads touted that he represented "traditional family values," which us gay folks all know is code for, among other things, being against gay rights and gays in general.  This impression of Crist was confirmed when I learned that he opposed gay marriage and gay adoption, and was proud to declare this publicly.

    In most cases I am against outing someone.  But when a closeted gay Republican strongly opposes the rights of GLBT Americans and intentionally uses his opposition to gays to court the anti-gay wingnuts for political advantage, then I believe he needs to be exposed for his hypocrisy.  I don't believe that Linn's revelation alone will be enough to break this wide open, but due to the Foley scandal I think all bets are off.  All it would take is one misstep by Crist to be revealed, and that could be it.

  •  I diaried this the other day (1+ / 0-)
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    boofdah

    and was accused of being borderline on the gay outing...there's a lot more potential smoke and fire here with the Foley affair...

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's. - Mark Twain

    by route66 on Fri Oct 13, 2006 at 07:55:47 AM PDT

  •  Crist as FL Atty Gen, had to know about Foley (2+ / 0-)
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    boofdah, OWTH

    Crist has been denying and denying and even jumping the gun by calling Radio shows to proclaim that he is not Gay.  So - it isn't that he is or isn't Gay, it is that he is the Attorney General of Florida now, is friends with Mark Foley and one has to wonder what he and Jeb knew about Foley and what they kept secret.  

    Crist was married over 25 years ago for only 6 months, lives a very different life style - has no experience owning a home and thus wants to become Governor of Florida where some of our biggest issues are about Real Estate Tax, Homeowners Insurance and Education - Crist has no children, owns no home - what does he know?  

    What we want to know though is what did he know about a child predator living in his state, a friend of his in his Republican party and running wild - what did he know and when and then why should he be our next Governor?  

    That's what I want to know and it frightens me to think he might win because he has more money and more connections to the current Governor JEB Bush.

    Help us here in Florida - spread the word - Take a look at the Dem. Candidate Jim Davis and the complete thorough plans he has to make Florida a first class state again.
    Thanks,
    Glo in South Floria

  •  Crist's Role in the Foley Investigation (2+ / 0-)
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    boofdah, OWTH

    Charlie Crist is falling all over himself to not go near the Foley investigation.

    Here are Florida Attorney General Charlie Crists 'initial comments on the Foley fiasco:

    Republican nominee for governor Charlie Crist calls the Mark Foley scandal "tragic and terrible. What can you say?"

    As for the role of the Florida Attorney General in the investigation Crist had this to say:

    "That really will be up to the FBI," Crist said. "The last thing I want to do is get in the way of an ongoing investigation, but I want to offer any appropriate support that I can."

    More irony on Crist and Foley:

    Crist has been aggressive in publicizing Internet predator cases handled by his agency. He testified before a Congressional subcommittee last year on the need for better inter-agency coordination at all levels of government to track online pedophilia. His web site still carries a June 7, 2005 release about his testimony -- including praise for three Florida members of Congress "for their dedication to finding workable solutions on this important issue." They are Reps. Ginny Brown-Waite, Katherine Harris and Foley.

    Mark Foley, Katherine Harris and Charlie Crist.  Now there is an unholy trio!

    You can't govern if you can't win.

    by gatordem on Fri Oct 13, 2006 at 09:16:17 PM PDT

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