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Wisconsin Idiot(?) charged for "Dirty Bomb" Hoax

Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:10:21 AM PDT

Yahoo News is reporting that the 20 year old grocery store worker who posted a "threat" on The Friend Society website was charged after the FBI and Homeland Security screwheads determined the "threat" to be a Hoax.

Hmmm, this kid, Jake J. Brahm, is guilty of one thing...Living in a country where freedom of speech is no longer a right.  Bad judgment was involved but bad judgment shouldn't negate the right to freely express creativity.  Had this scene played itself out in a novel, ala a Tom Clancy terrorist attack, a problem wouldn't exist.  A writing "duel" between two people involved coming up with the scariest threat.  Apparently this man won as the other participant is not being charged nor does the story say whether the other participant actually posted his "threat".  

This is a free speech concern.  This country has gone from being a believer in creative expression to be a country that suppresses creative expression.  The powers that be need to come to grips with the fact that the internet is a new landscape for all manners of activity such as news, entertainment, online writing forums etc.  From the fight over Blogs and Campaign contributions and their media "worthiness" to topic centric sites the internet is vast and fluid and has several hundred million (guessing on the total number of net users) voices adding opinions 2 cents at a time.  And the government is caught in "what do we do about this" land, instead of letting the evolution of the internet(s) continue on its journey.  Just watch the diaries here.  Every day there are diaries touching hundreds of different topics.  We have long drawn out conversations concerning YouTube footage from Al Jazeera or the BBC.  We have rumors spouted then later disproven or proven.  We have political commentators, health and wellness commentators, business commentators, science commentators, history commentators, we even have a writer teaching others how to write and get published.  And we've all seen offensive comments, pointed them out, trolled them told the commenter that "we're better than that."  That is what should have happened to this guy.  He should have been rebuked on the forum in which he posted.  He should have been forced to defend his words or apologize..  Either way it would have saved everyone a big headache and would have saved him a future legal bill and possible jail time.  All because a joke was misconstrued by the wrong people.

Something I come back to over and over:  "9-11 changed everything."  Bullshit.  9-11 didn't change my life.  It didn't change what I do for work.  How safe I feel in my home (safe from terrorists, not safe from govt intrusion).  Or how I view the world in general.  The only people that changed on 9-11 were the people directly affected by the attack, victim's family members, DC and NYC residents, people who already had a fear of flying.  Most of us were pissed.  Most of us were ready to go get Osama, dead or alive.  We all felt bad.  We all donated our money or our prayers or both to the funds set up to help the victims families, show FDNY that we appreciated their work, their sacrifice.  But while we did what we could, we moved on with our lives which, despite the govt's claim, remained remarkably unchanged.  

The govt did change, and not a little but a lot.  They turned the USA, land of the free-home of the brave into the "homeland".  George Bush stood on a pile of rubble and claimed that we were going to get those responsible.  We all rallied behind our President, our country.  That was before we saw pictures and video of a dense-looking irresolute chimp sitting in a chair doing nothing after he was told that planes were flying into the WTC.  That was before we heard Bush say "I really don't worry about Osama."  5 years later the people responsible for 9-11 are still alive and thinking up new ways to punish the "west".  5 years later we are still stuck in a war of attrition in a country that didn't attack us, didn't want to attack us, didn't have the capability to attack us.  Yep the govt changed.  It became a blame first regime.  Get Osama...no no let's blame Saddam instead...damn Sunni insurgents...no no it's the Shia death squads...civil war?  what civil war...oh you mean the sectarian violence (civil war)?  Fuck that, it wasn't Osama's fault or Hussein's fault it was CLINTON'S fault for not killing both of them pre 2001.  Mark Foley?  How dare those liberals sit on this information until election season.  (it was a republican who leaked the story)  Mark Foley?  It was a joke the pages were playing.  Damn Liberals.  Damn activist judges.  Damn liberal press.  Damn those damn leftists.  Followed by Fear.  "They want to kill your kids Matt."  "We're in a war for civilization."  "Liberals want to appease the terrorists".  "Liberals are cut and runners".  "American's should go shopping."---no need to be alarmed by 9-11 we'll give you enough fear to keep you voting for 'warriors' who will defend America.  Sidenote:  the defense of America consists of ignoring the 9-11 commission recommendations and building a 700 mile fence along the Mexican border.  It includes underfunding the military with regards to armored vehicles and body armor.  It includes sending PTSD diagnosed troops back to the front.  It includes the use of a backdoor draft to keep troop levels up.  It includes cutting funding to the VA despite the thousands of additional victims who are going to require VA assistance in years to come due to our govts "defense" of the "homeland".

No matter.  What is now important is gutting the Constitution.  Making it legal to detain whoever we want, whenever we want, for whatever reason our president wants and then torturing those detainees by whatever means the president deems as "acceptable".  What matters now is that the punditry (Ann Coulter, Imus in the Morning) can call for the assassination of a president or the beheading of a congressman but a 20 year old can't making a similarly fictional 'threat' without being arrested and charged.

The other man involved in the bet corroborates Brahm's story of the bet and the "threat-off".  Anyone who watched Olbermann last night would have seen his skewering of Homeland Security for giving this story creedence.  

I've always been told that the one no-no was making a threat against the life of the POTUS, even in jest.  But simply put, the times have changed.  How many web forums are there?  Is this really the first time a terror threat has been joked about?  Has nobody ever joked about offing the Prez?  

With all of the online writing forums all subjects are bound to be broached at one time or another.  The govt needs to understand that, just like with porn, even expression that the govt deems undesirable is going to be allowed by the courts.  

There is a problem with "the boy who cried wolf."  At some pt a real threat is going to posted and carried out.  But the simple fact is that fear of possibility is not an excuse to deny freedom of speech, creative expression, or whatever.  Just as with the Muslim cartoons not everyone is going to have the same threshold of acceptance.  While I found some of the cartoons funny and some offensive it is not my place, nor the govts, to say "that's unacceptable."

How do we sift through the info to glean real threat from hoax?  No idea.  But if we have to endure the punditry's over the top statements while the govt looks away then the govt can also forgive us for our errors in judgement.  

The man questioned did not appear to have any ties to terrorist groups, according to the official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

No shit?  A 20 year old grocery clerk in Wisconsin has no ties to terrorist groups?  Hmm, who coulda guessed?  I wonder how many Gitmo Hotel residents have no ties to terrorism but sit incarcerated regardless.  Because Bushco is focused on the obvious hoaxes they are going to miss the real threat.  Within a short time the NY "subway threat" was exposed as a fraud.  This was exposed as a hoax shortly after it was reported (by everyone but the feds)--which Olbermann joked about.  How many times has the terror threat been raised?  How many times has anything happened?  There is no pt in having a threat meter if it is only raised during election seasons.  No pt to Homeland Security at all if they can't get anything right.  I think it was on either the Daily Show or Colbert last night:  "We have another plan for Iraq and we now have a plan to rescue survivors of Katrina." (not sure of source)  The level of ineptitude with this govt is staggering but at least we got the kid who made the "threat".

Memo to all Kossacks, watch the "I wanna kick Bush's ass" comments, you might be taken seriously.

And yeah, yeah, I know the kid should've exercised better judgement but to my mind he should have the freedom to write what he wants.  Writing or orating an idea does not a terrorist make.  Without action the idea is just an idea.

Basically the word freedom has no meaning if freedom has a boundary.  If it's ok for a comedian or pundit to say whatever they want, no matter how outrageous or inflammatory, then so should the rest of us.

Good day.  Please correct whatever is wrong in your comments and I'll take note and apply the corrections as soon as possible.  I'm a lazy proofreader and I do apologize.  Especially with regards to this diary's non-linear form.  I apologize for bouncing around so much.  Now I'd better get back to work. *UPDATE* Additional link to News story stating that the two had posted threats as many as forty times. What gets me is

"These types of hoaxes scare innocent people, cost business resources and waste valuable homeland security resources. We cannot tolerate this Internet version of yelling fire in a crowded theater in the post-9/11 era," Christie said.
And that is baloney. A short investigation would have revealed the names of the two, just as it did when the story broke. The story could have been discredited before it became news. What is happening is once again the DHS has been proven to be totally incapable of finding threats, either credible or fake, without the story first breaking in the media. And now they have to cover their ineptitude by making a mountain out of a hill of indeterminate size and scope. IE, I no longer know where the cut off pt should be in this case. Were it just the one post, then I think he shouldn't have been arrested. But I will now agree that some sort of punishment is warranted now that I know that the goal was to get noticed by someone and possibly cause a panic. They may just be dumb attention hounds but that definitely doesn't excuse 40 attempts to have the hoax noticed.
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  •  This person should not be punished (0+ / 0-)

    for a knee-jerk reaction.

    •  I don't know... in some ways it's no different (2+ / 0-)

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      from tying up 9-1-1 phone lines or calling the fire department out on a false alarm. I imagine a lot of federal money and time was wasted on this person's hoax so I think maybe he should be punished.

      Flying Squid Studios - Cartoons to Rot Your Brain!

      by Arken on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:15:57 AM PDT

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      •  Agreed...he should be billed for the taxpayer (3+ / 0-)

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        dollars investigating his little joke cost.  That'd be punishment enough.

        Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

        by darthstar on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:16:54 AM PDT

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      •  A lot was also wasted on that... (1+ / 0-)

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        "runaway bride" fiasco. That's not her problem (until false police reports were filed, anyway).

      •  A lot of time and money (0+ / 0-)

        could have been saved if they would have just checked it out a bit before sounding the alarms..the better safe than sorry thing doesn't cut it when there is no credible evidence...

        That being said... you would think a 20 year old would have more common sense... knowing that right before an election the GOP machine is in over-react mode.Even if he thought no one would see it on some small time site...he should have quickly responded that it was not true. Once the Gestapo got involved... he was probably scared shitless...

        To give real service you must add something which cannot be bought or measured with money, and that is sincerity and integrity. -Douglas Adams

        by jigsaw68 on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:26:13 AM PDT

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        •  yeah but (0+ / 0-)

          out of all the blogs and forums do you think the kid thought that anyone outside of that website were going to read the thing?  We haven't heard enough on what the bet involved...was it meant to get national attn or was it just meant as a friendly bet between the two.

          Where i'd say his judgment failed was in doing this via the forum rather than emails between him and the other party.

          But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

          by Bill O Rights on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:30:22 AM PDT

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          •  Yeah... when it got more attention... (1+ / 0-)

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            I would bet it scared him... which to me would be enough of a punishment... unless there were some kind of pattern. But never fear... DHS will go overboard...they can let the GOP run wild... but not a store clerk.

            To give real service you must add something which cannot be bought or measured with money, and that is sincerity and integrity. -Douglas Adams

            by jigsaw68 on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:46:04 AM PDT

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            •  it's not just about punishment (0+ / 0-)

              it's about justice.  this guy should be fined and have to perform a lot of community service.  then maybe he might understand why the community doesn't like being dicked around like that.

              Don't fight it son. Confess quickly! If you hold out too long you could jeopardize your credit rating. --Brazil (1985)

              by hypersphere01 on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 12:17:18 PM PDT

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      •  I was under the impression (2+ / 0-)

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        that this was simply a forum conversation. A search for 'New Attack on America Be Afraid' in google gives The Friend Society link as the first result (NSFW text scattered around), and the thread seems pretty childish. If I saw it, there would be no alarm inside me going 'Quick, report this to the FBI!' The forum it's in is called 'Ordered Idiocy', c'mon now!

        I fail to see how this was a valid attempt to stir hysteria, but maybe I'm not looking deep enough..

        Anybody?

      •  I agree (1+ / 0-)

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        but where does free speech stop and government censorship begin?  The "threat" was admittedly a joke conceived by two people.  A simple phone call to the person could have cleared up the incident.  But just like Kstreets diary ignited a furious digging into Ohio voter purges this story got picked up by the media and blew up.  I don't think its the kids fault that the story was taken out of context.

        But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

        by Bill O Rights on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:27:24 AM PDT

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        •  It's never just between 2 people (1+ / 0-)

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          if it is in public on the internet. I mean, you could argue that carrying a fake bomb on the plane was just a joke with you and your buddy flying with you, and it might have been, but they did it in front of others. Ignorance, as they say, is no excuse.

          If, however, it was truly not intended to be a hoax, that's different.

          Flying Squid Studios - Cartoons to Rot Your Brain!

          by Arken on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:30:59 AM PDT

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          •  that isn't true (0+ / 0-)

            the media has taken guns and other banned items onto flights just to expose the fact that airport security still sucks.  They aren't arrested and jailed for having gotten away with the crime.  If you go on a plane and yell "bomb" then you should get punished.  But if you get busted at the gate carrying a fake cartoon bomb you shouldn't go to jail for something that isn't a danger.  If on the other hand you have a a mock up of dynamite with fuses and flashing lights, something that clearly looks ominous and the bomb squad has to be called then yeah, you should probably get punished.    

            when i was a kid we took a field trip to the WH.  We all went shopping at the Georgetown mall and all of the guys, myself included, bought butterfly knives.  The next day we go the WH and one of the guys hadn't left his knife at the hotel.  Guess what happens when he goes thru the metal detector?  But the SS was cool.  They held him for like 5 minutes, made him remove his studded wristband and swear that the knife was an honest mistake and case closed.  These days he'd probably end up it gitmo.

            I think we have a tendency towards over-reaction.

            But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

            by Bill O Rights on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:42:28 AM PDT

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            •  I don't think we're disagreeing. (2+ / 0-)

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              I didn't mean take an obvious joke bomb on a plane. I meant if you took a fake but realistic looking bomb onto a plane and showed it off to your buddy while it is in flight to scare him as a practical joke and it ended up creating a hysteria on the plane, it doesn't matter that you were only meaning to scare your friend.

              Like I said, I haven't seen the original conversation that started this but if it was clearly meant to be a joke I agree that there should be no punishment.

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              by Arken on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:44:59 AM PDT

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              •  fair enough (1+ / 0-)

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                i agree that if the plan was to get the story into the national media to cause a panic then he should be punished or at the least force to repay the money spent on the investigation.

                But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

                by Bill O Rights on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 12:00:48 PM PDT

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    •  CNN should be punished (5+ / 0-)

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      for enciting fear in all the stupid people. Reporting a terrorist plot when it was plain that there wasn't one is pretty close to terrorism itself.

  •  Is this kid a Republican? (3+ / 0-)

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    If so, it could be framed as a GOP distraction from the failing war in Iraq.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:15:41 AM PDT

  •  this (0+ / 0-)

    this country is being run by the lowest denominator now, it seems as if context means nothing in speach anymore.

    It takes all of two seconds to see this man was no threat, yet they go ahead with charges anyway.  That to me is a repressive regime.

    It as stupid as people being held and airports cleared because someone mentions or uses the B word. As if real terrorist would go around saying that.  Common sense has left the building.

    Generals gathered in their masses Just like witches at black masses.. Evil minds that plot destruction Sorcerers of deaths construction..........

    by pissedpatriot on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:15:47 AM PDT

  •  I feel safer now (2+ / 0-)

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    Good to get these terroristic grocery clerks off the street. I say we send him to Gitmo and put the screws to him. Maybe we can find others in his network.

    Snark aside, I'm not sure there's a free speech issue here. This is pretty damn close to the "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theater" bit. Very poor judgement on the kid's part. And you figure they're going to make a real example out of him, to avoid copycats.

    Every day's another chance to stick it to The Man. - dls.

    by The Raven on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:19:48 AM PDT

  •  Why did Chertoff (3+ / 0-)

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    and DHS run with this, then? Is our HS so poor that they panic at everything and can't thoroughly investigate leads? Heck, I was watching a diary the other day about this "scary thing" and commenters  figured it out in less than an hour. Should dailykos take over security?

    Barack Obama - I'll never see the threat of terrorism as a way to scare up votes, it's a threat that should rally this country against our common enemies

    by madgranny on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:21:11 AM PDT

    •  yeah because we have enough smart people (0+ / 0-)

      to dig through the shit.  Just as LGF went to town on the "font" in Rathergate bloggers have the ability to sift through a fuckload of info in a short amt of time if the whole blog ends up working the case.  

      Great idea.  Think we'll get paid?  Maybe dkos could get a no-bid Halliburton like "homeland security" contract.

      But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

      by Bill O Rights on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:24:15 AM PDT

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      •  Seriously...... (1+ / 0-)

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        The way stuff can get vetted so quickly around here makes the Gov't really look inept. And not just with a counter argument... the way facts are found to back up things... actual quotes are dug up... funding is tracked down...etc... I mean WOW!!! They can say what they want about blogs... but "the speed of blog" is way faster that the speed of Gov't...

        To give real service you must add something which cannot be bought or measured with money, and that is sincerity and integrity. -Douglas Adams

        by jigsaw68 on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:33:49 AM PDT

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    •  DHS said the threat wasn't credible... (0+ / 0-)

      ...within hours of it being reported. CNN was still reporting the threat this morning.

      For once, this isn't DHS' fault.

  •  The Real Story Here Is... (5+ / 0-)

    When the Packers have a bye week, there's nothing for football fans to do in Wisconsin except to envision terrorist strikes on football stadiums.

    Someone needs to buy this guy tickets to a Milwaukee Admirals game to keep his mind from wandering.  

    "The game's easy, Harry" - Richie Ashburn

    by jpspencer on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:23:01 AM PDT

  •  hm (3+ / 0-)

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    There's freedom of speech, and then there's the implication that there might be dirty bombs delivered to those stadiums.

    I guess that I'd rather err on the side of caution and question the guy, than say "eh, just a kid havin' a great time", and then find out the hard way that he wasn't just havin' a good time.

    One of the guys who was the perpetrator of a recent school shooting talked about how he'd like to do that, and this was on his website.

    Too bad he wasn't arrested.

    You're like the drummer from REO Speedwagon. Nobody knows who you are.

    by Plutonium Page on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:31:42 AM PDT

  •  Dood Abides (1+ / 0-)

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    seriously, prosecuting this guy is like prosecutying Dood Abides for his brilliant snark.  The whole thing was a goof, and more important, and important one, for it was really a diseration on where we are vulnerable.  

    Done with politics for the night? Have a nice glass of wine with Two Days per Bottle.

    by dhonig on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:47:41 AM PDT

  •  this is not a free speech concern (0+ / 0-)

    i keep hearing things like free speech..  not sure who really has that.  we certainly don't, never did.

    Don't fight it son. Confess quickly! If you hold out too long you could jeopardize your credit rating. --Brazil (1985)

    by hypersphere01 on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 12:15:14 PM PDT

    •  sure we do (0+ / 0-)

      if the courts didn't think so penthouse and playboy and hustler and the entire hardcore porn industry would have been declared illegal years ago.  

      if the courts didn't think so then the Klan and like orgs wouldn't be allowed to exist.

      if the courts didn't think so then evangelists wouldn't be allowed to bamboozle donations out of the people they convince that the exorcisms they perform are real.

      There are examples of free speech everywhere you look from the op eds to blogs to magazines to movies to books to music.  The best the Tipper Gore's could get from the powers that be to control violent and profane content in video games and music cd's was a rating system, not the inability for the artist to say what they want or show what they want.  

      The only time we take notice that a right has been trampled on is when the govt does try to make an example out of someone.

      Hugh Hefner was gone after in a half-assed way when he started Playboy.  Larry Flynt was gone after with a vengeance because the govt thought that he went too far.  Well, the Flynt decisions proved once and for all that the government can't legislate decency or suppress someone's right to earn a living, or say what is on their mind.  

      The freedoms exist and we enjoy them everyday.  If you don't think so then you're deliberately trying to ignore their existence.  Right now those rights are being stepped on and we need to push back.  From the loss of Habeus, to the illegal wiretaps, to the rights granted the police and feds under the Patriot Act, it is our responsibility to let the politicians know that any loss of rights granted by the constitution is unacceptable.  States or cities that want to adopt laws making christianity the official religion should be hauled into court by every other religious group who would be affected.  Right now the govt is being deliberately obtuse towards the will of the people.  Right now the Christian Right is in control.  Hopefully, in a couple weeks a semblance of sanity can return to the Legislative Branch via our national voice telling the GOP that they had their chance and they blew it.

      But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

      by Bill O Rights on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 12:48:14 PM PDT

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      •  my comment was half snark half venting (0+ / 0-)

        imo, we don't have 'free speech'..  that is just not the right word for it.  Flynt still has to cover up his magazines.  You can't say fuck on tv.  Women can't sunbathe in the nude in public.  'Free speech' ends at your driveway. and just how free is it?  my wife makes me pay for my 'free speech' if she doesn't like it.  so i think what is free speech?  just a phrase that doesn't really play out in the real world.

        Don't fight it son. Confess quickly! If you hold out too long you could jeopardize your credit rating. --Brazil (1985)

        by hypersphere01 on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 10:56:55 AM PDT

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  •  that idiot (1+ / 0-)

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    posted his plot on many websites.  that is not very innocent. that is deliberate.

    "Christie said Brahm admitted that between September and Wednesday he had posted the same threat about 40 times on various Web sites."

    Don't fight it son. Confess quickly! If you hold out too long you could jeopardize your credit rating. --Brazil (1985)

    by hypersphere01 on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 12:35:14 PM PDT

  •  How come it doesn't apply to everyone? (0+ / 0-)

    Ann Coulter claimed that she mailed the latest fake-anthrax letter to the New York Times. (http://mediamatters.org/items/200607190001) Yes, it was probably a joke. But what if it wasn't? As far as I know, there hasn't even been an investigation. So how come it's acceptable for some people to make terrorism jokes, but not others?

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