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Suddenly I've seen the trailer on cable news three times tonight. I don't like this fucking movie one little bit.  It opens tomorrow, and it looks to me like the only thing that could possibly generate any sympathy at this late stage for our failed and still-failing Republican leaders.

As much as anything has smelled over the last six years -- and just about everything has -- this to me stinks to high heaven.

This isn't a Chicken Little diary, so I don't think a SYFP response is warranted (but that's up to you).  This isn't the end of the world.  

I just want to explore what our response should be to the release of a movie, eleven days before the 2006 election, graphically depicting the assassination of President George W. Bush.

So, what do we do?  I think any blogger that's accepted ads for this thing should jettison them immediately.  I think prominent bloggers on the left should publicly trash this film at every opportunity.  I think we need to agree on a fairly uniform statement.

Something like...

"While freedom of speech is at the core of our nation's beliefs and should always remain a near-absolute right in our country, the release of a film depicting the assassination of our currently serving president, eleven days before a major, real-world U.S. election, serves only to distract from, if not poison, our national debate about real issues.

Let's let all the talk about this and that fiction that some may hope will now come to dominate the conversation give way to real talk about real facts.  This is the real world we are living in.  Let's talk about that, and what that means we need to do on November 7th."

Your thoughts?

Originally posted to Irfo on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 08:47 PM PDT.

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  •  Find the link (2+ / 0-)
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    DrKate, kestrel9000

    between the financing of the movie and the GOP establishment. It's there. Look hard.

    •  Unlikely link ... it's a British film (2+ / 0-)
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      Irfo, Mber

      Me?  ... I'd like to pin it on Christopher Hitchens. Not that Hitchens had anything to do with it, but he's the Brit I most despise at the moment.

      "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

      by Glinda on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 09:50:12 PM PDT

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  •  You know what really troubles me (4+ / 0-)

    I am disturbed by the blatant cheerleading for the Cardinals by the TV network play by play guys.  Is this a sign of some sort or an ominous development??  I need a shot o Jack!!

    •  Welcome to Daily Kos (1+ / 0-)
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      yoduuuh do or do not

      I wish you longevity.

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      by Irfo on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 09:02:11 PM PDT

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      •  But seriously (0+ / 0-)

        I was thinking the exact same thing when FOX aired a preview of "24" during game 3 of the WS.  

        •  whoa, there are already previews of "24" (0+ / 0-)

          out??? Did it look good?

        •  Goldwater 1964, Eh? (0+ / 0-)

          AuH2O64 would have been cooler, but you did what you could.

          While it's true he whom was considered a nut in '64 would be thought a wise centrist today, are you ready 42 years later to agree?

          "Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed."

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          by Irfo on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 09:50:04 PM PDT

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  •  i saw the clip too (1+ / 0-)
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    DrKate

    i don't like it one bit either.

    and what about the deafening silence in the media about how this film is inappropriate?

    i may have missed it, but i thought fox news et. al. would be up in arms about this.

  •  Keep it simple (10+ / 0-)

    "Any  entertainment based on the hypothetical assasination of an actual person, let alone a sitting president, is in extraordinarily poor taste."

    •  You're Probably Right (3+ / 0-)
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      DrKate, churchylafemme, ChiGirl88

      Simpler is better.

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      by Irfo on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 09:01:12 PM PDT

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    •  I don't like it (0+ / 0-)

      and I don't like the fact that it makes sense to attach it to us as liberals.  I hate Bush's guts, sure, but I get that out of my system by yelling profanities at my TV and checking the "straight party Democratic" box on my ballot twice (to make sure).  

    •  This is the way to go. (1+ / 0-)
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      DrKate

      And it would be good if there was some way to work in the fact that movie history is frequently the bunk.  No basis in reality and manipulative just like the "Path to 9/11".

      Bush fights crime by making it legal.

      by Friend of the court on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 09:18:28 PM PDT

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    •  worse than that! (0+ / 0-)

      It is not just "a distraction from (the real issues of the day)..."

      It is not just "in poor taste."  

      It is downright disgusting, unacceptable, and far beyond the boundaries of freedom of speech.  

      It is one of the few instances in this country of speech that is criminal and for good reason.  

      We should be standing up and saying we absolutely deplore this, for the above reasons and more.  And we should make clear that we say it as de-facto loyal opposition, who are routinely angered by the actions of this administration, who have significant criticism of this president, and who believe that everything we value about a democratic society requires upholding the lawful order rather than committing or even encouraging atrocious acts of criminal violence in the name of politics.  

      Oh, and should the guy who made this film (I guess he's English) ever show his face in the United States of America, may he be met at the airport by two or three uniformed police officers, arrested on the spot, and put on trial under the appropriate statutes.  

  •  I was being nice when I voted "Minor Problem" (2+ / 0-)
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    DrKate, doinaheckuvanutjob

    But, you haven't seen the movie, so maybe you should STFU. Seriously, people who think they have a clue what a film is about when they have not seen it end up saying shit like this (IMDB):

    This is a horrible movie. Though I have not seen it, but it is about our current president getting assassinated. That just ain't right. I read that some Canadians made this. Canadian films should not be made for this reason. This movie was made for the liberals. Though if a liberal president were to get assassinated in a movie they wouldn't like it. That's exactly how I see it. I think its very gay how all of those liberals out there always put the blame on the president, when more than half the time it isn't. Like when Hurricane Katrina came and destroyed New Orleans. Yeah that was the president's fault for making a gigantic hurricane come in and destroy New Orleans. That would be impossible for him to do that. He didn't need to make the government bring the people food there. They were given a chance to leave and didn't. How retarded. I would never watch this movie even if it were the last thing left on the planet with nothing else to do. I'd rather kill myself than watch this shiot(note the "o" is supposed to be there). People who liked this movie are retarded and should go kill themselves right now. I don't think people should watch this movie or even here of this movie because of how horrible it is.

    I have seen it - and it is not a snuff film for liberal political circle jerks. Just like "To Kill a Mockingbird" wasn't about the murder of an annoying bird, "Death of a President" isn't focused on the murder of an annoying president.

    My review on IMBD:

    This film is a documentary of America's uneasy submission to fear and our need for closure. Even though the plot is fiction, the characters and events all seem to reflect something real. The fake assination of a real president offends many people. To watch it, it seems unreal - a metaphor for the events of 9/11. The sweeping investigations, false accusations, prejudicial governement employees, and lost truths have all occurred in the past five years. And in the end, we learn that the most dangerous security threat we may face is ourselves.

    Watch this movie, then watch this real documentary from Oct. 10 by Frontline. (Or visa-versa) http://www.pbs.org/...
    The art does imitate life.

    •  It May Be A Masterful Film (2+ / 0-)
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      grndrush, DrKate

      Then next Citizen Kane, for all I know...

      But they picked the most cynical Friday possible, eleven days before our biannual elections, to release it.   That negates any proclamations of its artistry, regardless of their merit, it seems to me.

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      by Irfo on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 09:23:46 PM PDT

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  •  problematic, but it can be dealt with (4+ / 0-)
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    Though I believe in free expression, I find the premise of this film to be distasteful.

    If I were Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi, I would summon a handful of journalists to my office without telling them why, and place a phone call directly to the the Oval Office expressing my horror at the movie and wish the preisdent the best. Something like, "I know we don't play for the same teams, Mr. President, but this film crosses the line. We wish you a long and productive life." It would take the wind out of the sails of any Republican hoping to use this as an lection issue.

  •  Bad taste yes, but it's pure fiction. (6+ / 0-)

    Read the description of the president in the story:

    The President is portrayed as a sympathetic and likable man--beloved by those close to him and charming to his followers.

    Doesn't sould like any George Bush I know.

    "One cannot be pessimistic about the West. This is the native land of hope." Wallace Stegner

    by Mother Mags on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 09:29:18 PM PDT

    •  Doesn't Matter One Bit (0+ / 0-)

      Our televisions are about to be inundated with the image of George Bush being assassinated. They're running trailers now you know.

      Now, the only thing that can make a politicians poll numbers go up more than their own death is if he runs into a burning building and saves a small child... and then dies.

      So, as usual, George is getting the benefits without paying the price. Just like his whole life. As in, 'I'm not a martyr. But I play one on TV.'

      I've spent hours trying to find a connection between the filmmakers and any powerful, pro Iraq war, interest. But I haven't found anything but this from a conference. Strangely enough, from the website of the Bank of England:

      Opening Remarks

      Andrew Bailey, Chief Cashier, Bank of England.

      Mr Bailey outlined the history of the Bank of England and its role in markets; also, the development of the foreign exchange market and importance of the role of operational managers and the increase in activity and development of infrastructure e.g. CLS, to support the market.

      Offshore Outsourcing – It’s a Reality
      Panel chaired by Mike Neale, JP Morgan Chase

      The panel comprised:
      Mike Neale – JP Morgan Chase
      Oonagh O’Neill – Morgan Stanley
      Jean Moorhouse – FSA
      Andy Mayer -HSBC

      Gee, some of the most powerful people in the world. And then below, a panel discusses contincency planning in case of terror attack or whatnot. This is a workshop on maintaining "business continuity" during that attack by the ruling, most powerful banking community in London. And guess who's doing the presentation?

      Contingency Planning: ‘Are you Prepared – Exercising your Top Team’
      Chaired by Derrick Pearson, LloydsTSB

      The panel comprised:
      Derrick Pearson – Lloyds TSB
      Simon Banks – LloydsTSB
      Allen Drew – LloydsTSB
      Simon Langdon – Insight Consultancy
      Simon Finch – Freelance Film- Makers
      Gabriel Range – Freelance Filmmakers

      John Trundle – Bank of England

      This was an interactive exercise facilitated by an external consultancy group. The group outlined its experience of contingency planning with a number of city institutions, and addressed the level of preparedness and the many lessons learned (to date) in this key area. It also addressed the impact of communications in the event of a contingency being invoked.

      The first session covered “putting your business back into business continuity” and how exercises can act as the catalyst to raise awareness with senior management, identification of issues that need addressing and training those that need to implement the plan. Ultimately, ‘exercising of your top team’ should prove the businesses ability to recover and respond to a range of disaster scenarios, including a scenario affecting people, infrastructure or business, or any combination of these.

      ...

      Borough Films, filmakers who share a strong reputation for producing ground-breaking drama and quality documentaries made a brief presentation.

      Their broadcast work focuses on how government, emergency services, business and the media deal with disasters. They offer business continuity experts with the chance to have more authentic simulation exercises and specialise in the development of detailed scenarios designed to test corporate and government contingency measures and the creation of video material to bring such exercises ‘to life’. They are most famous for producing films such as ‘the Day Britain Stopped’ and ‘the Man Who Broke Barings’.

      The final part of the presentation was by the Bank of England on the co-ordination between the authorities and market. The Bank explained their role in the Tripartite Authorities (Bank of England, FSA and HM Treasury) and also described some of the recent initiatives and topical issues for the market, highlighting the importance of the market working as one body in a contingency situation.

      Strange company for a couple of filmmakers. Does this mean anything at all? Hell if I know.

      But here are a few facts: Terror and fear are used to control by Bush and Blair. We are seeing this now, daily. These guys make films that facilitate the reign of fear under the auspices of "raising awareness" about the impending doom that awaits us all.

      This film, and the timing of its release help Bush. Pseudo martyrdom and all that.

      The Bank of England, who at least in this one case, has employed these filmakers. The Bank of England's proprieters support the war in Iraq. If they didn't, I can assure, the Poodle wouldn't have done it.

      So does one degree of seperation between powerful forces who support the Iraq war and filmmakers who just released a film dipicting the assassnation of Bush have any elevence? Is it a coincidence?

      Fuck if I know.

  •  I haven't seen the movie (0+ / 0-)

    but we all know you will have the die hard fundies go see it so they can be outraged and maybe they will learn something or at least have their eyes opened to how far things have gone with this country.

    Apparently Cheney takes over, makes a Patriot 3, imprisons the wrong person and a few other things as well.

    I read the article about it on Wikipedia and it has spoilers so I will not go into further detail.

    You never know, it could work for us.

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    by Chaoslillith on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 09:40:34 PM PDT

  •  It's gotten bad reviews--as a boring movie (1+ / 0-)
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    Irfo

    And that's our meme. When your Rush-head freinds say "Liberal are celebrating this movie," respond with "Liberals are too smart to waste time going to a movie that got such rotten reviews. Liberals are ignoring it ."

  •  Anybody with any sense (2+ / 0-)
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    Irfo, Miss Blue

    knows that Democrats don't want Bush assassinated. Dick Cheney - President - dear GOD!

    •  That's what the movie is about. (0+ / 0-)

      From the reviews I've read, the movie shows that Bush the Insane is more benign than Cheney the Degenerate Tyrranasouras, so don't assassinate the Chearleader In Chief.

      How could that at all help the Rethugs? I don't see it. False alarm, code orange.

  •  It's a British film, right? (1+ / 0-)
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    Irfo

    I'd just keep repeating that.

    British film. I understand Bush is not popular there.

    British film. Distasteful, just like their food.

    --------
    When facts interfere with faith, I remember the immortal words of R.W.Reagan: "Facts are stupid things." Hmmmmm.

    by PBJ Diddy on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 01:03:18 AM PDT

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