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Jim Webb discovers Virginia is for Hispanics too

Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 10:53:14 AM PDT

After months of campaigning and barely acknowledging the existence of a Hispanic constituency in Virginia, Jim Webb, democratic candidate for Senate has finally reached out to the Hispanic community four weeks before the November election.

In an email circulated today to registered supporters, the Webb campaign asks:

"Hola! fellow Webb for Senate volunteers...are you interested in Latino voter outreach?"

My answers would be "Are you?, "What took you so long?", " and "Why now when we are only four weeks before election day?".

(More below the fold...)

Webb is a former republican who served as Secretary of the Navy under Ronald Reagan. He recently switched his allegiance to the Democratic Party and is now facing republican incumbent George Allen for a US Senate seat.
It seems like after turning democrat, Webb learned pretty quickly the widespread and mistaken belief of many in his new party that the Hispanic vote can pretty much be taken for granted. If Webb did not know how mistaken this belief is all he has to do is look a Bush's Hispanic vote numbers in 2000 and 2004.

While other state leaders such as Mark Warner and Governor Tim Kaine are well known for having cultivated links with the Hispanic community of Virginia for a long time before becoming elected officials, Webb gives the impression that he is jumping on the Hispanic voter bandwagon at the very last minute. After all, this is shaping up to be a very tight race for the Senate and it is possible that this election will be decided by only a few votes. So it may also mean that the Webb campaign has finally realized that even a few Hispanic votes may count and make a difference in this election.

A few days ago Hispanic leaders from Northern VA endorsed Webb and announced the formation of "Adelante con Webb" (Come together with Webb), the Hispanics for Webb action committee.

However, Webb's positions regarding some issues of interest to most Hispanics, particularly immigration, are not known.

His website lists general statements about education and healthcare, such as "It is vital that we take the crucial next steps to improve academic achievement in American schools" and "Jim believes that all Americans deserve access to some form of quality health care".

These positions are philosophically nice but I would prefer to learn more about how he plans to deal with specific issues such as high Hispanic drop-out rates in high schools, funding of after-school programs and gang prevention efforts, and student loans for Hispanics to attend college, among many other issues that more directly affect Latinos.

On immigration, Webb seems to duck the more immediate issues of what to do about the 11 million undocumented workers (most of them Hispanics) currently living in our country, and the guest worker program, and prefers to focus on the much less controversial and long term issue of securing our borders saying that "Immediate action is needed to stem the flow of illegal border crossings".

He continues saying "Once the border is secure we can develop a fair solution to other immigration issues".

Unfortunately, he seems to ignore that while we wait for the border to be secured (a task that may take decades to attain), millions of Hispanics are being exploited, abused and discriminated, and live under constant fear of deportation.

The jury is still out on Webb, we will have to wait and see.

However, for many Hispanics in Virginia, so far it looks like voting against Allen, a self-declared bigot, may be a better reason to go out and vote in November than staying home, or voting for Webb.

(Crossposted at Latinoblogger)

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  •  Adelante con Webb! (11+ / 0-)

    Jim Webb is very strong on Latino issues, which is why he was just endorsed by a group of leading Latinos.  Needless to say, Webb is infinitely better than George Allen on all isssues, including those of concern to Latinos.

    Thank you for visiting Raising Kaine, the voice of Progressive Virginia.

    by lowkell on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 10:53:59 AM PDT

  •  Help me understand this (5+ / 0-)

    Are you saying that Hispanic voters in Virginia need to be convinced that a Democratic candidate has a more favorable position on immigration than a Republican candidate?  Why don't they just assume--like everyone else--that Republicans see immigrants purely as another way to whip up fear in their base?

    This is a sincere question.  I live in New York, am not hispanic, and it's been over 100 years since my family considered itself immigrants, but--I don't even need to know the name of a Democrat and I just assume his/her position on immigration is more favorable than any Republican's.

    Are Virginia Hispanic voters reallly holding out to find out the details of Jim Webb's position?  Or are there other reasons for not supporting Webb?  The high polling numbers amongs Hispanics for Alllen has been a total mystery to me.  I just assumed it had to do with "religion," not immigration.  But honestly, I had no idea...

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    by Jeffrey Feldman on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 11:00:58 AM PDT

    •  Hispanic voters are not solidly Democratic (1+ / 0-)

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      In 2004, Bush got 40 - 45% of the Hispanic vote.  While Bush has enforced a lot of the draconian immigration measures signed into law by Clinton, he has also given lip service to helping people legalize their status.  I have encountered many Hispanics who believed Bush's rhetoric that he would be legalizing them and their families.  Bush made a big play for their votes, then never seriously pursued their interests. But, many still think that Bush supports Hispanics.  So it is no surprise that this would spill over to some other Republicans.

      •  yeah, that's what I don't get (1+ / 0-)

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        Loudoun County Dem

        Why does the "big play" work?   I just don't get it.  

        I realize there isn't one answer to this question, but the diary made it seem like "where it not for Webb not having said more about immigration...Hispanic voters would all vote for him," which I know just isn't true.

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        by Jeffrey Feldman on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 11:14:22 AM PDT

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        •  The Democrats have not supported immigrants (2+ / 0-)

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          theboz, Tanya

          Under Clinton the most draconian immigraiton bills in decades was passed.  It made it so that for most people even if they waited decades they could not legalize their status (whereas before they could wait years and then legalize).  They made it so even minor criminial convictions (or even things not considered convictions in any other US courts) would get someone removed for life.  They stripped immigration courts of discretion.  They made it harder to get asylum.  And on and on and on.  So it is not hard to see why immigrants don't wholehardedly endorse Democrats as their friends.

          •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

            Webb is aware the entire infrastructure is pathetic, antiquated, inefficient, unjust, full of corruption, fraud and so forth.  the NIS (USCIS)and the entire system rubber stamps and "who you know" as in the "right group of lawyers" versus what is actually on the application is the thing getting through.

            This is one of the things he wants to fix.

            The problem is addressing the infrastructure 1st doesn't make a nice sounding sound byte, especially in this emotional topic that often has a lot of misinformation being spread for various lobbyists/public relations real agenda.

          •  I get that (0+ / 0-)

            but you keep arguing just one side of this.

            Put Democrats and Republicans at the head of the room and fill the room full  of Hispanic voters.    Then ask the room which party has "good immigration policies."  

            If you are telling me that the room will raise it's hands for the Republicans, then  there's been a whole lot of swamp land sold to Hispanic voters by GWB.

            It's this country that's been messed up on immigration policy.  I know the Republicans have been saying otherwise, but I thought only movement conservatives bought those phoney arguments.  

            That's why I suspect that the high numbers amongst Hispanic voters for Allen is not a produt of the immigration arguments alone, but of a broader set of issues--values, military, etc.

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            by Jeffrey Feldman on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 11:50:12 AM PDT

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            •  Most of them would keep their hands in their laps (1+ / 0-)

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              I don't know what you mean by I'm only "arguing one side of this."  The poster asked why Bush's promises worked.  The answer is that the Democrats at the time weren't even making promises, they were passing draconian immigration laws.  

              Immigrants aren't stupid.  If both sides are treating them horribly they are not going to tightly embrace either side.  

              I don't think the Hispanic vote is all about immigration.  Many Hispanics have very mixed views about immigration and there are lots of other issues they care about.  Education is suppossed to be one of the most important issues to Hispanics in polling.  But, when the immigration issue does play out there are relatively new friendly noises from Democrats in Congress coming after years of harsh treatment by Clinton, against Republicans split between the very friendly proclamations from Bush, friendly noises from some and harsh words from others.  Neither side looks good.

              If Democrats get power and pass a good immigration bill then Hispanics will look more favorably on them because they are Democrats.  

              •  The draconian changes in immigration law (1+ / 0-)

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                (at least as far as Mexicans are concerned) were passed in 1997 by a REPUBLICAN congress -- House and Senate. It included 16 additional pages directly targeting Mexicans, changing the rules on spousal support, parent-child status, amnesty, etc. Personally, it delayed my application for two years because they passed the law and then didn't have the ability to implement it, so no forms were prosessed that included any of those areas for nearly two years.

                The real leverage against Democrats among Hispanics I know has been the Catholic Church. And a group of Hispanic "leaders" who are as greedy and venal as Bushco. And, as the last Mexican election showed, they have profited from their alliance with Bush.

                If the attitude you describe is correct

                If Democrats get power and pass a good immigration bill then Hispanics will look more favorably on them because they are Democrats.  

                Hispanics can expect to be marginalized from now on. Or worse.

                "There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest." -- Elie Wiesel

                by carolita on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 01:13:47 PM PDT

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      •  So the answer, politically-speaking, (1+ / 0-)

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        theran

        is to also give lip-service? I mean, the problem (again, politically) is that Democrats haven't been vocal enough?

        I wonder if Jeffrey isn't answer his own question, in some ways: been 100 years since his family was immigrants, and they know Rs are bad for immigrants. But, well ... they've been around for 100 years! Maybe recent immigrants don't have that information passed down from the generations?

        •  Talk AND Listen!!! (1+ / 0-)

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          theboz

          Migrantes and Latinos have particular areas of interest, some of which are crucial for their families--up to and including chances for advancement or even survival in this country.  

          The good thing--Latinos tend to be very loyal to those who are loyal to them.  Por eso, vale la pena!!!  (Because of that, it's worth the effort!!!)

      •  Not anymore (0+ / 0-)

        During the immigration marches there was a lot of frustration with Bush, so one of the chants we would yell was, "Bush, escucha, estamos en la lucha!"  This means "Bush, listen, we are in the fight" (it can probably be translated better, my Spanish is mediocre.) I'd say that Bush has pretty clearly become "The Devil" in the eyes of most hispanics, as he should be viewed as pretty much everyone but rich bastards.

    •  Not Good Enough!!! (2+ / 0-)

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      Latino voters, like all other important groups, deserve specific answers to their particular areas of concern.  Chechecule did a good job of pointing to dropout prevention and immigration policy as two signficant ones.  

      'Just shut up and vote for the Dem' just isn't good enough.  This is an important, and rapidly growing, bloc of voters with vital concerns.  Either Jim Webb understands these issues and their importance, or he doesn't.  No more, "Si, Patron"!!!

      As was pointed out, Bush had made serious inroads, which no doubt boosted him in '04, because he paid attention and respect to this important group.  

      'Adelante' means 'forward', and that's where we should all be headed--together, and with respect and understanding.  Que no, Chechecule???

      •  Bush made inroads by appealing to the worst (1+ / 0-)

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        traits in people in general and picked up those in the Latino community who bit.

        I am not convinced the diariest has the best intentions in mind. It is a MONTH before the election, so I don't know why this is considered late. I also find statements like this to be a bit revealing:

        It seems like after turning democrat, Webb learned pretty quickly the widespread and mistaken belief of many in his new party that the Hispanic vote can pretty much be taken for granted. If Webb did not know how mistaken this belief is all he has to do is look a Bush's Hispanic vote numbers in 2000 and 2004.

        Is that a fact? Does it really SEEM that way? Or is that just one person's opinion? Seems to ME chechecule is CONCERNED about the wrong things if he is really looking for a Webb victory.

        The prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad; For the multitude of thy iniquity, and the great hatred...

        by Tirge Caps on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 11:24:37 AM PDT

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        •  maybe not a CT (0+ / 0-)

          Apologies for throwing that out, but I really don't understand the attitude.

          The prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad; For the multitude of thy iniquity, and the great hatred...

          by Tirge Caps on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 11:28:18 AM PDT

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        •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

          Well, you can bet if it's about cheap exploitable labor request of corporations, Bush will be for it.

          If it's to integrate new immigrants and welcome them as new Americans with equal rights, workers rights and not for the purposes of exploitable labor, you can bet Republicans will vote against it.

          The problem is the lobbyists rhetoric which confuses the issues.

          BTW:  Webb wants to recraft some critical trade agreements, CAFTA-DR, NAFTA and one could claim this is a major reason for the current crisis on illegal immigration.  These trade agreements has assisted in throwing even more people S. of the border into abject poverty so they have no choice but to be illegal in order to eat.  It isn't exactly "Pro Hispanic" to force migration of entire groups of people in order to economically survive.

        •  No--He Paid Attention to Latinos (0+ / 0-)

          showed some respect, and spoke Spanish.  This is the ONE issue he is really pretty good on.  He understands where Mexicanos are coming from from his stint in Tejas...

          •  He paid attention? (0+ / 0-)

            Showed respect? Sorry bro, but you've been duped.

            The prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad; For the multitude of thy iniquity, and the great hatred...

            by Tirge Caps on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 11:52:27 AM PDT

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            •  No, Not at All (2+ / 0-)

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              I vociferously oppose him on everything else, and realize that a part of the mutual attraction is the conservative Catholic thing, but how do u think he got 40% of the Latino vote???  U think all Mexicans are stupid or act against their self-interest???

              Dems need to look hard at this, and not just thru their own preconceived ideological prism.  This is the fastest-growing voting group in America, and will continue to be so.  Many Anglos are just ignorant of this group and its various but critical concerns!!!

              •  40% isn't that high (1+ / 0-)

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                I live in San Francisco, just for reference sakes, and know many Latinos who are organically conservative and who are attracted to the Republican platform not because of Bush, but because of what they believe it stands for. I agree many in America are ignorant of the nuances involving this burgeoning group in US politics and society, but I don't see how kicking Webb in the nuts helps anything.

                The prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad; For the multitude of thy iniquity, and the great hatred...

                by Tirge Caps on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 12:15:22 PM PDT

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                •  Not a 'Huevos' Kick (0+ / 0-)

                  Just an important wake-up call!!!

                  •  I am always suspicious (1+ / 0-)

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                    of attacks from inside the party in the build up to election. The time to air differences is before and during the primaries but between the primaries and the election... that is the time we put that all behind us and rally together. This should be welcomed, not spurned, and the diariest wrote it in a spurned tone.

                    The prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad; For the multitude of thy iniquity, and the great hatred...

                    by Tirge Caps on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 12:49:52 PM PDT

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                    •  I Generally Agree W/U (0+ / 0-)

                      Tirge Caps, but I find the ignorance and lack of understanding of the Latino community to be so appalling that it's just shocking to me.  And this is no idle chitchat--there's still something to do something about it and get more votes.  

                      So be suspicious if u wish, but learn something!!!!

                      If Dems didn't understand Blacks care about affirmative action, or that Unions don't like Right to Work, you'd feel that was a problem, right?

                      Well, there ya go...

                    •  Attacks from inside the party? (0+ / 0-)

                      And where did you get that?

                      For your information I have no allegiance to any party, I vote for the candidates that best address issues of importance to Hispanics and our country.

                      That was a point I tried to make in my diary. I guess it was not that obvious.

                      Oh well.

        •  I am concerned about Hispanics getting "Respect" (0+ / 0-)

          And being heard on the issues of concern to them.

          Not just being asked for their votes one month before the election.

          I bring this up one month before the election because this is the first time I have heard of Webb making any effort directed at Hispanic outreach.

          I have commented about the lack of Hispanic outreach from his campaign here in DK for months. Mark Warner and Tom Kaine were meeting and planning their campaigns with Hispanics for months before their respective elections. They showed REAL concern about what Hispanics thought and what their most important issues were.

          Gang prevention, very high school drop-out rates and lack of college education are big issues for Hispanics. So are immigration and amnesty. I have no idea what Webb's position is on these issues. So why should I vote for him? Because he is a democrat?

          Bullshit!   Hispanics are voting more and more for issues and less for party, the way I feel it should be.

          A republican with whom I disagree on many issues including immigration reform (Frank Wolff, VA-10) has done 100 times more positive things about gang prevention in VA than any of the elected democrats.

          And yes, democrats do take the Hispanic vote for granted and believe we are a monolithic group. But more and more are being surprised on election day  because they neither understand nor show real concern for the issues that are important to Hispanics.

          I do not believe Allen will be any better than Webb regarding Hispanic issues. In fact, I believe he is a bigoted racist as I said in the diary. But that does not mean that I should go out and blindly endorse Webb without knowing his position on issues of importance to me just because he is a democrat.

          And I wonder what an endorsement from a group of, "leading Latinos" as lowkell says, really means when they are willing to endorse a candidate without knowing what his public position is on issues of the greatest importance to our community.

          Cheers

  •  George Allen vs. Webb (6+ / 0-)

    Allen:  Guest worker Visas yes
    Webb:  Guest worker Visas no
    Allen:  amnesty no, period
    Webb:  amnesty case by case, conditional yes

    Allen:  co-sponsored massive guest worker Visa increases for professionals even though there is no worker shortage, fraud, exploitation and displacement of Americans (Skil Bill).  This is a major corporate lobbyist agenda item (ITAA, US Chamber of Commerce)

    Webb:  no on the Skil Bill

    Webb:  endorsed by labor extensively
    Allen:  Corporate cheap labor donors

    Allen:  voted against many border security and port security measures

    Webb:  wants to actually solve national security issues and come up with techniques that actually work.  The infrastructure is also dismal and Webb wants to address that 1st for national security reasons and to stop the fraud (which leads to further worker exploitation).

    If you're looking for a pathway to citizenship it's pretty clear Webb is the better choice.

    If you're looking for open borders, plenty of corporate cheap labor exploitation,  Allen is probably the better choice.

    •  Some people don't understand the difference (1+ / 0-)

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      between the options that exist in reality and the options that exist in fantasy "the way it should be" world.

      The prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad; For the multitude of thy iniquity, and the great hatred...

      by Tirge Caps on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 11:26:43 AM PDT

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      •  yup (1+ / 0-)

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        Looking at reality and what is really going on is especially difficult in this topic.  There are so many special interests, powerful lobbies spreading so much misinformation and rhetoric around...and often their goal is cheap labor.

        Here is something the Latino Community who is concerned should know.  Right now, in the WTO GATS mode 4, there are many proposals to trade people...
        i.e. cheap labor, between nations (corporations).

        WTO wants to classify services as commodities to be traded.  This will give a cartel like control over domestic labor markets and greatly reduce any quality of life and control/choice workers have on even which country they want to work in.

        These lobbyists are pouring money to heat the flames in this argument to obscure their cheap labor agenda.

        •  whoah! (1+ / 0-)

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          BobOak

          holy moly!

          WTO wants to classify services as commodities to be traded.

          THAT is frightening.

          The prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad; For the multitude of thy iniquity, and the great hatred...

          by Tirge Caps on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 11:54:47 AM PDT

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          •  yup (1+ / 0-)

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            I think we need to get this real agenda out there more prominently.  So many groups are being played and divided when it really needs to be "workers unite" to stop the global exploitation agenda.

            I hate to sound so socialist, but this is very real.

            Here's a blatant article, Legalizing Human Trafficking on it.

            •  Thanks for that link (1+ / 0-)

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              I don't think it's socialist to assure proper working conditions around the world.

              The Iraq War and the whole reconstruction effort has relied heavily on work forces subjected to persistant abusive consitions. Expoitable labor opens so many doors for companies and governments alike, it really has to be challenged and buried for good.

              We really need people in charge who will cut this future off at the pass.

              The prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad; For the multitude of thy iniquity, and the great hatred...

              by Tirge Caps on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 12:21:45 PM PDT

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    •  Your conclusions don't follow your facts (1+ / 1-)

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      For lots of people they would rather have guest worker visas than no visas.

      "Amnesty case by case, conditional yes": What does this mean?  If sounds like promises with no substance

      Increase in H-1B visa numbers.  This is a huge plus for not only employers, but many immigrants.

      Border security is often code for increasing deportations.  

      So it is not clear that Webb is the better choice.  Allen sounds like he favors some immigration measures because business backs them.  But, these measures are better than what we have for workers.

      Let's not pretend the Democrats are something they aren't.

      •  what? (1+ / 0-)

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        who is writing fiction here.

        Try the AFL-CIO for one on no guest worker Visas and what they do to labor, and go to our website on the many papers, congressional testimony and GAO reports on H-1B abuses, fraud and labor arbitrage.

        •  Talking about what people support (2+ / 0-)

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          I'm talking abouat what people support.  What I support is a different question.  

          Many immigrants come to my office wanting the guest worker program, because they believe it is better than what we have now.  The discussion was about the Hispanic view of these issues.  And I often see the view that half a loaf (gueset worker visas) is better than none.

          As for the H program, many people are being forced home or into illegal status because of the shortage of these visas.  If there is fraud treat it as fraud.  As for abuses, if there is some strenghten the provisions for ensuring that the going wage is being paid.  Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. H-1B visas are paths to permanent resident status and citizenship for many people.  To cut off this route is to hurt many immigrants.

          •  I think you're a troll (2+ / 1-)

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            jct

            Sorry but your words are straight out of the ITAA corporate lobby agenda.

            There is no shortage of these Visas, it's proved by the GAO and many other credible studies.

            Pascrell and DeLauro have introduced legislation repeated to stop the fraud.

            I troll rated you because I think you are an ITAA paid for blogger from what you are writing and I know on craiglist they are recruiting.

            Or, you are a blood sucking immigration attorney who makes their ill gotten gains over processing these Visas and displacing Americans.  It's big business and how funny the rhetoric spews when YOUR CAREER is threatened!  But you could care less on what you're doing to American engineers!  Just as long as you line your pockets with your 30 pieces of silver.  Jesus, even the H-1B Visa current holders are lobbying against this bill!  They are becoming unemployed now too!  Some worker shortage!

            •  Thanks for the polite, well-considered comment (2+ / 1-)

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              If jobs for engineers are scarce, don't go blaming immigrants; look instead to (1) globalization and (2) the boom-and-bust cycle that has been a feature of engineering for quite a long time.

              My understanding is that H-1Bs are indeed in great demand; each year they run out earlier and earlier.  I don't know what GAO study you are talking about, but GAO investigations are ordered by a Senator or Representative for a particular political purpose, and can be written so as to prove anything you want.

              And before you accuse yet another commenter who disasgrees with you of being a paid shill or a bloodsucking immigration attorney, I can assure you I am neither.

              You can't reason someone out of something they weren't reasoned into. - Jonathan Swift

              by A Mad Mad World on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 03:55:58 PM PDT

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            •  There is a huge shortage of H1-B visas (0+ / 0-)

              I'm trying to find some people to work with as consultants with experience in a specific piece of software and send them to my clients to work.  Unfortunately, very few people in the U.S. have been trained with this software or even heard of it.  As a result, my choices are to either 1) take a risk on hiring an American out of college who has no experience and no knowledge of anything useful with computers, or 2) bring over someone from India with years of experience and a solid understanding of the product.  As a result, my business partner (he's Indian) and I are looking to bring over 10 people on H1-B visas to work for us since no Americans seem to be up for the task.


              The unfortunate thing is that there are no H1-B visas available until April, when we can apply for them.  If we're lucky, we'll get the ten visas and be able to bring the people over by September of next year.


              Also, I've discovered that as one of those engineers whose job has been threatened, it is better to learn other skills and evolve than to expect a crappy job to be available for me always.  If I can keep these 10 people employed, I will make more money with my side business than I do with my full-time job as a programmer.  You have to work smarter, not harder.


              Additionally, I do not find it a danger to bring immigrants into the U.S. to work here.  It is a danger for the jobs to be shipped overseas.  Temporary worker visas like the H1-B and TN programs can be a useful way for people to get their foot into the U.S. and become residents and even citizens.  It's the best we can do in the light of the fascist immigration laws we have on the books right now.  I'd like to see things improved, and I think everyone would.  However, we have to let people use the tools that are available until we can improve things for all.

          •  You are aware, of course, that guest worker visas (1+ / 0-)

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            come with a poison pill? They are, as proposed, only good for six years. But if you EVER work here on one, you can NEVER even APPLY for permanent resident, much less citizenship. I fail to see how this is an improvement (and I know lots of non-doc immigrants). And what it does to the children is even worse.

            I know that there is a lot of misunderstanding among Hispanics about this. A lot of it is promulgated by so-called Hispanic "leaders" who are actually working for the chicken-processing industry (and some others) to try to secure a steady supply of cheap labor. But it is hard to imagine how anyone could think a racist like Allen would be more supportive of Hispanics than virtually anyone else. Every Hispanic I know is way too dark to qualify as a person to racists.

            "There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest." -- Elie Wiesel

            by carolita on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 01:25:31 PM PDT

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  •  I could be wrong but it seems to me (1+ / 0-)

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    that trade agreements and immigration policies are things that a United States Senator can effect policy on and Jim Webb takes the position on those items that is most reasonable and favorable to Hispanics.  The issues you cite:

    specific issues such as high Hispanic drop-out rates in high schools, funding of after-school programs and gang prevention efforts, and student loans for Hispanics to attend college, among many other issues that more directly affect Latinos.

    seem like state and local issues. Maybe they could be federal block grant issues but I don't want the federal government handing down laws about how my community needs to address their gang problem or drop out problems. The federal government is not good at these things.

    Republicans need people to be stupid

    by strengthof10kmen on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 11:48:43 AM PDT

  •  Been around since the primary (0+ / 0-)

    and have heard Webb reach out to hispanics often.

    Where ya been?

    At least the war on the middle class is going well

    by worried dem on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 08:20:24 AM PDT

    •  You got to be kiddin' (0+ / 0-)

      Been around since the primary too, I am subscribed to his mailing list, I get at least 1-2 emails from his campaign every day, I have him in my Google RSS feed to search for every item that comes out with his name, including speeches... you must be alucinating.

      Show me a single public statement Webb has made before the last couple of weeks about Hispanics and their issues.

      Saludos

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