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Last week we all shook our heads in amazement as Bush proclaimed that Rumsfeld would "stay on no matter what" for the rest of the BushCo regime.  After all, Rumsfeld has done a "fantastic job".  So said Bush last week.

Obviously, today there was a big reversal on that element of Der Decider's Stay The Course strategy - Bush announced the appointment of the legendary Iran/Contra murderer Robert Gates to the Secretary of Defense post.

Did Bush lie about Rumsfeld??  Why yes, in fact he did.  And Bush admitted it today.

What. An. Ass.

Originally posted to bincbom on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:26 PM PST.

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Comment Preferences

  •  he's so cute when he's lying (3+ / 0-)
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    bincbom, FindingMyVoice, UneasyOne

    the shucking and fidgeting, the reluctance to make eye contact... What a leader!

    Funny, it's immeasurably easier to watch That Man today than it ever has been. And if I'm not mistaken - could be the video quality - his voice seems a little higher? Of course, that's what happens when your balls get cut off.

  •  BUT, he explained it. (3+ / 0-)
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    bincbom, Warren Terrer, UneasyOne

    He had to lie, otherwise people would know what was happening right before the election.


  •  Lou Dobbs (3+ / 0-)
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    Orj ozeppi, bincbom, UneasyOne

    called Bush a Liar on his show this evening. It's been a very good day.

    •  he did????????????? (0+ / 0-)

      how did he say it?

      •  Yep (1+ / 0-)
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        Warren Terrer

        He had Ed Rollins on the program, and Rollins was befuddled as to how W saying he'd keep Rumsfailed during the campaign, and then doing this could be considered politically smart.....He just couldn't figure it out (so much for the genius of Rove).  Rollins didn't use the word lie, but he definately said to said that W hanging the Rumsfailed albatros around R's necks for during campaign was just dumb given that he didn't really mean it.  He said that there were many defeated incumbent R's who are steaming at the moment.  That's when Dobbs said, "He lied, didn't he?"  Rollins sorta ignored the question, and Dobbs asked it again.  Rollins then clearly shrugged and nodded his head "yes", but again, refused to utter the actual word.

        •  All of the pundits are befuddled (0+ / 0-)

          Hmmm... What happened before Bush endorsed Cheney/Rumsfeld that might have challenged our cowboy president's manhood and caused him to grab his hat and six-guns?

          Wouldn't it be more accurate to use blue and grey when we color code Democrats and Republicans?

          by isbister on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 09:51:27 PM PST

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        •  Rollins wish it were 'Rumsfailed'. (0+ / 0-)

          Republicans lost because of Bush's f'ked-up foreign and domestic policies, and a rubber stamp Republican Congress. They lost becauase many of their wounds were self-inflicted. They lost because many of their people were involved in the biggest scandals this country has seen since Reagan. And if MOST CORRUPT was a prize, Delay's Congress would take first place.

          What if there were no Abramoff, Foley, Schiavo, Sheehan and Katrina? What if there were no K-Street? What if there was no 'macaca'? What if there were no Peter Goss? (Anybody seen him lately?) What if there were no Republicans getting hauled off to jail? What if there no infidelity by members of the 'Family Values' party? What if there were no rabid gay-bashing, homphobic homosexuals? What if there were no $6 per gallon gas? What if there were no attempt to use immigration as a wedge that resulted in protests in the millions? What if there were no push for creationsim in school? What if there no protecting and supporting Bush even at the cost of conservative values?  I could go on for quite some time.

          'Rumsfailed' didn't cost them Congress. Arrogant and greedy Republicans did that all by themselves. They absolutely earned and deserved defeat. Now they need to own it.

          The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world She didn't exist.

          by callmecassandra on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 10:34:29 PM PST

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      •  I don't have a transcript (0+ / 0-)

        but I saw him. I think it was actually on extended election coverage, not his show per se. He was talking with a Republican pundit about this story and he said, and I paraphrase "President Bush basically lied when he said this, didn't he? He was lying." I think he used the word 'lie' or 'lying' twice. And the look on his face was great. It was a lot of fun to watch.

        Btw, great name you have there.

  •  He meant it then, he's lying now. (0+ / 0-)

    Do you seriously believe that he "didn't want to  inject a major policy change into the last few days of the campain"?  When it would have gained tens or hundreds of thousands of votes?  

  •  Bush gave Cheney the Kiss of Death: (1+ / 0-)
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    Warren Terrer

    First, he gave Brown the Kiss of death by telling him he was doing a "heck of a job." A few weeks later, he was gone. Then, he told Rumsfeld he was doing a "heck of a job." Now, he is gone. Now, from your link, get this:

    Last week, President Bush unequivocally told a group of reporters that Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and Vice President Cheney would “remain with him until the end of his presidency, extending a job guarantee to two of the most-vilified members of his administration.” Bush said, “Both those men are doing fantastic jobs and I strongly support them.”

    The Kiss of Death -- As I have mentioned before, I suggest Bush sees Cheney as a liability and wants him gone. Unlike Rummy, he cannot fire him. But he can make it loud and clear that he is not welcome anymore by humiliating him in public, shutting him out of important meetings, and isolating him.

    •  It's unprecedented though, (1+ / 0-)
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      Eternal Hope

      isn't it, for a vice president to resign over job performance reasons?

      My quick research indicates only 2 VPs have ever resigned: John C. Calhoun resigned so that he could go into the Senate, and Spiro Agnew resigned because he was facing indictment for tax evasion. To me that suggests getting rid of Cheney will be tough. Typically the President just ignores a VP he doesn't much like, iirc.

      But if he does resign my guess is it will be for 'health reasons'. We all know about his heart trouble, so that would be a plausible way to cover up the rift.

      •  True. (1+ / 0-)
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        Warren Terrer

        The wingnut Washington Times speculated this to be the case.

        Cheney is a control freak, and for him to be completely shut out of the discussions would be a signal to him that he is not wanted. I think he might take the hint and cash in on his massive Halliburton profits.

        •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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          Eternal Hope

          It's a very interesting thesis. I read Bob Woodward's book recently and his take on Cheney is that he has basically withdrawn into a bubble to which only his wife and daughter have access, and are required constantly to tell him that invading Iraq was the right thing to do. Based on that it sounds very possible that Bush hasn't much use for him any more and has pushed him aside.

      •  Vice Presidents (0+ / 0-)

        generally don't have a  real job to do, except to hang out in undisclosed locations pending the unexpected death of the President.    Hence, how do you measure their job performance?

        Cheney should have been made to peel potatoes in the White House mess for the last six years.  Then he wouldn't have had so much time on his hands to make trouble.

        With all his noble still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin--Darwin

        by MadScientist on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 09:04:11 PM PST

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    •  The problem for Jr. on Cheney (1+ / 0-)
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      is that Cheney really knows where all of the bodies are buried - more so than Rummie.  I wouldn't put it past Dark Vader to hold that over Jr's head for the next 2 years.

      •  Problem is: (0+ / 0-)

        Gates is one of Daddy's people. He openly advocated engagement with Iran. And Daddy knows where even more bodies are buried and will not hesitate to plant stuff -- maybe through Skowcroft. Or some former Bush syncophat could conveniently "see the light" and turn on the Bush administration and do a Kitty Kelly tell-all that would be true.

        Given that Daddy is a CIA man, I would not put it past him to stab his own son in the back.

        It seems to me there is a huge brawl taking place between Daddy and Cheney -- and Bush II is merely a pawn in their game. Whoever wins, the end result will not be good for Bush II. No wonder he is turning to the Democrats and acting so contrite towards them.

  •  To have cut loose... (0+ / 0-)

    ...of dumbsfeld, before the election, would have been an admission of fault and weakness. it's obvious to the entire world
    (and that includes la-la-laura & barney)

    What a doofus

    ~A govt lobbied, campaigned and selected by corporation... is good for corporation. Bad for people.~

    by Orj ozeppi on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:38:37 PM PST

  •  The problem for Bush isn't that there was (1+ / 0-)
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    Warren Terrer

    a "big reversal" in Rumsfeld's fortunes in a short time. The problem is that Bush just told a roomful of reporters that he was lying a couple days ago when he said that Rumsfeld would stay through his administration. You'll notice that shortly thereafter, he tried to do that thing where he laughs nervously and expects the press pool to laugh nervously along with him. Today he was surprised when they bit off two of his fucking fingers.

  •  Thanks for linking in ... (0+ / 0-)

    Will any major newspaper or broadcast station run with this as a lead:  

    "Bush directly lies to reporters for political reasons ..."

    What a ...

  •  It's perfectly clear (2+ / 0-)
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    Bush had to lie about Rumsfeld tenure in office because there was a big election coming up and the truth may  
    have given the voters another reason to vote Democratic.  As in, even Bush concedes that Iraq is a disaster and that Rummy is a fool.  Bush's hands were tied, so he only did what he had to.  Perfectly understandable.

    The above is actually the most favorable interpretation of events and essentially the one that Bush gives himself.  

    The other possibility is that Rumsfeld's fate actually hinged on the results of the election--a Democratic majority meant that Bush and Rummy had to face reality.

    A Republican majority would have meant that Bush could keep hiding  from the truth for another two years, long enuf to run out his term, while more and more folks get killed or blown apart in Iraq.    

    With all his noble still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin--Darwin

    by MadScientist on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:59:27 PM PST

  •  If a reporter had some cojones (1+ / 0-)
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    Appalachian Annie

    he/she would have asked Dubya, "Why should we believe you now?  How do we know you're not telling us things just to 'get past the question' with anything you say?"

    We're all pretty crazy some way or other; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is just a setting on the dryer.

    by david78209 on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 09:04:57 PM PST

  •  If Rummy can quote Churchill in his exit (2+ / 0-)
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    nancelot, Warren Terrer

    interview, who will Tony Blair quote in his exit interview? O. Henry?

  •  I don't think Bush lied. (0+ / 0-)

    He said Dick & Rummy would remain until the end of his presidency. That was yesterday. We have now entered the period of the Bush Defense.

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