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Harry Reid to Help Frist Push Offshore Drilling Through Lame Duck Congress

Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 09:47:57 AM PDT

On June 29, 2006 by a vote of 232-187The U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 4761, the
Deep Ocean Energy Resources Act (DOER Act)
.

On August 1, 2006 by a vote of 71-25 the U.S. Senate passed the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act (S. 3711).

Congress recessed without a conference on these two very different bills.

Now, according to Congressional Quarterly, Senator Harry Reid has said that S. 3711 is one of a list of bills that he hopes to help Sen. Frist pass during the lame duck session coming up - starting Monday, Nov. 13.

CQ is subscription, but here is the quote:


"Lame Duck Preview: Lame-Duck Session Could Be Short: Appropriations, Tax Cuts Top List," Nov. 9, 2006, p. 14.
"Reid says he hopes to help Frist pass several other measures by the end of the year, including...legislation to authorize drilling south of the Florida Panhandle in the eastern Gulf of Mexico (S 3711)"

How bad is the suck?  The House bill transfers more than $100 billion in existing drilling royalties from the federal Treasury to the oil-rich states along the Gulf of Mexico.  Coastal states that want to retain the drilling ban would be required to periodically return to their legislatures and governorsbeg for approval for the exemption.

Not to mention the increased nurturing of oil company profiteering out of the national treasury and drivers' pockets.  The House measure does nothing to lower oil prices at the pump, prices which are largely set by the world oil market.

Worst of all are the environmental damage, and the lack of any provision or legislation planning a transition to renewable energy sources.  

In June, Congressman Roscoe Bartlett, R- Md,  said of the House Bill

 . .coastal states that want to retain the drilling ban would be required to periodically win approval for the exemption from their legislatures and governors.
And, of course, the measure would simply fatten the profits of oil companies while doing nothing to lower pump prices, which are largely set by the world market.

Congressional Record
June 29, 2006
[Page: H4830]

The Baltimore Sun recognized the scam, editorializing in July,


Backers of the legislation aren't interested in such common sense, though. In fact, the measure was so outrageously constructed it seemed designed mostly to allow lawmakers to go home for July 4 claiming they did something about gasoline prices.
Of perhaps greatest concern in Maryland is the prospect of environmental damage to Ocean City and Assateague Island beaches or to the Chesapeake Bay - particularly if Virginia were to opt for drilling, as expected.

The
Washington Post
, however, flogged the legislation, declaring the ban on offshore drilling outdated.  

An Outdated Ban - Washington Post Editorial

It's time to allow more offshore drilling.

Wednesday, June 28, 2006; A24

FOR THE PAST quarter of a century, the federal government has banned oil and gas drilling in most U.S. coastal waters. Efforts to relax the ban have been repelled on environmental grounds, but it is time to revisit this policy. Canada and Norway, two countries that care about the environment, have allowed offshore drilling for years and do not regret it. Offshore oil rigs in the western Gulf of Mexico, one of the exceptions to the ban imposed by Congress, endured Hurricane Katrina without spills. The industry's safety record is impressive, and it's even possible that the drilling ban increases the danger of oil spills in coastal waters: Less local drilling means more incoming traffic from oil tankers, which by some reckonings are riskier. Although balancing energy needs with the environment is always hard, the prohibition on offshore extraction cannot be justified.

The economic benefit of that drilling would be especially pronounced if it were aimed at natural gas extraction. Despite all the rhetoric about energy independence, it doesn't make much difference whether the United States gets its oil from its own coastal waters or whether it buys it on world markets. There is one global price for oil; producing more from U.S. waters will bring down that global price, benefiting all consuming countries rather than just U.S. consumers. But natural gas is traded globally only in small quantities, in liquefied form; nearly all of the gas consumed in the United States is produced domestically or in Canada. So producing more natural gas in U.S. coastal waters would bring down U.S. natural gas prices rather than world prices. Because natural gas is much cleaner than its main alternative, coal, this would have environmental as well as economic benefits.

Shame on the Washington Post editorial board's lack of judgment. And shame on Harry Reid ditto. And kudos to Congressman Roscoe Bartlett for recognizing the handwriting on the wall and reading it out loud to the dunderheads of the 109th.

What about the Senate bill, S 3711?  In July, Harry Reid said it won't solve our energy problems.

Here:

But I want to be crystal clear this morning - this bill will do little or nothing to fix America's energy crisis or the failed Bush-Cheney energy policies. And it won't have any impact at all on today's skyrocketing gas prices.

Nationally, prices at the pump are averaging just over 3 dollars a gallon. That's a record, at least in nominal terms. In Reno, Nevada, gas is about 3 dollars and 12 cents--up more than 50 cents from a year ago.

Let me say again - this bill will do nothing to bring down gasoline or diesel prices. They won't come down as long as demand keeps growing and the Big Oil Companies aren't investing their billions and billions of dollars in profits in new America energy jobs and manufacturing and in developing alternatives to oil.

This country needs a crash course to develop alternative and renewable energy. Unfortunately, this administration and this Republican Congress have not been willing to pursue this path.

We need to quickly bring much more fuel efficient cars and trucks to market and really promote energy efficiency and conservation.  

That's what Rep. Roscoe Bartlett said about the House bill, ennit?

The difference between the 109th and the 110th on energy and offshore drilling can be summed up in one word:  Pombo.

Richard W. Pombo was House Resources Committee Chairman in the 109th and received - ah, substantial - contributions from oil and gas companies.  Jerry McNerney - has a startup company that intends to make wind turbines.  

To quote the WaPo, "Pombo pushed hard to open up U.S. waters to more oil and natural gas exploration, but he would not accept a Senate version limited to a new part of the Gulf of Mexico. Drilling advocates now hope the House will compromise and accept the Senate version."

Now, the 110th has a chance to promote alternative energy legislation.   Offshore drilling was the main energy initiative this year. Nearly everything but offshore drilling will have to go through Rep. John D. Dingell of Michigan, the probable chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico is probable chair of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee.

So why in hell does Harry Reid want to push for a conference bill on offshore drilling in the lame duck 109th, including a Senate bill that by his own admission won't address our energy problems?  

202-224-3542 Phone calls, 202-224-7327 faxes, and emails to Reid's office are in order.  Let's see if we can stop this debacle.  

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  •  La Olla de las tips (17+ / 0-)

    This is us governing. Live so that 100 years from now, someone might be proud of us.

    by marthature on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 09:45:12 AM PDT

  •  I just don't get it.... (8+ / 0-)

    If this is bipartisonship --ie, Dems continuing to give Thugs whatever they want -- I really will give it up...

    We need Special Prosecutors. NOW.

    by CalDoc on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 09:51:03 AM PDT

    •  Ask Harry Reid, eh? (5+ / 0-)

      After all, it's his idea, not ours.

      This is us governing. Live so that 100 years from now, someone might be proud of us.

      by marthature on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 09:53:17 AM PDT

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    •  you have to remember there are a lot of old time (9+ / 0-)

      hacks. We have to keep the pressure up on them and put our hopes and cash innto the freshman class. Harry Reid was elected to lead the senate precisely because he is not a progressive. Until the 6th Dems believed the only way they could win was to be as repug as the repugs. The winds of change are blowing and we have to increase our numbers and our pressure. we have to send a message to the DLC and the rightwing Dems that it is no more business as usual. They would love nothing better for us to give up and go away. That would allow them to continue parrotting the bullshit that the US is a conservative country that really supports this backward bullshit. It is up to us to say No we want progress and the people we elected need to either Lead, Follow, or GET OUT OF THE WAY!

      To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men~~ Abraham Lincoln

      by Tanya on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 09:56:26 AM PDT

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  •  Thanks for posting and I urge everyone to (3+ / 0-)

    Rec this Diary and call and email reids office. The fight to take our country back has just begun and a large part of htat fight is going to be holding Dems accountable. We have to be even more vigilant now that the Dem's are going to take power because if it is business as usual we will lose in 08'

    To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men~~ Abraham Lincoln

    by Tanya on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 09:51:05 AM PDT

  •  If it passed 71-25 in the Senate (4+ / 0-)

    then it'll pass in the 110th, as well.  I suppose the real question is whether the bill would even come up for a vote (in the 110th).  But with Reid in control,  it looks like more of the same.

    I am become Man, the destroyer of worlds

    by tle on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 09:55:05 AM PDT

  •  Harry Reid: (5+ / 0-)

    Friend of the credit card industry, enemy of working people.

    Friend of the oil industry, enemy of The People.

    He and Lieberman will do whatever they can to block progressive change. They are both corporate puppets.

    •  Bigtime friend of the mining industry (4+ / 0-)

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      So much so that he could be called Harry Reid (D-Newmont).  I've written comments on this several times (no diaries), but not a whole lot of interest in these parts.  He's often a primary sponsor of sweetheart legislation for mining interests in Nevada.

      John McCain voted against health care for kids.

      by Land of Enchantment on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:21:53 AM PDT

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      •  There's a lot in Reid's closet.. (5+ / 0-)

        I think one reason he won't push for investigations is that he's not so innocent as he'd like us to believe, particularly in regards to K-Street and the massive screwing of the Western Shoshone.

        Another one I don't trust due to his big "extraction industry" ties - Jeff Bingaman.  And gee, guess who is in line to chair the Energy and Natural Resources Committee.

        Even dear old Rahm Emanuel has big energy ties - one of his largest contributors (both to his campaign and PAC)  is Exelon, the owner of fourteen nukes around the country, and countless other power plants.  

        It's clear, dear friend, our job as muckrakers has just begun.  Here's to lots of muck raked, on both sides of the aisle, over the next two years.

        •  Hey, MB, nice to hear from you (3+ / 0-)

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          by the way, the person who initially posted the info about this legislation - on an energy list where I participate - is a staffer in a GOP congressmember's office.  

          Both sides of the aisle, indeed.

          Cheers to E.

          This is us governing. Live so that 100 years from now, someone might be proud of us.

          by marthature on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 11:01:19 AM PDT

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        •  Long time no see (0+ / 0-)

          Have been thinking of you lately.  What do you think of what sounds like an end-run around Cobell suit?  ("We're such bad trustees that the best thing to do is to end the trust relationship.")

          John McCain voted against health care for kids.

          by Land of Enchantment on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 12:59:35 PM PDT

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        •  P.S. Bingaman, yeah. (0+ / 0-)

          He's announced he won't be running again.  Not till 2012, but it'll be a battleground, and thought to grooming a (better) replacement is not too soon now.  Kinda depends whether Domeneci retires in 2008.  Heather Wilson'll clearly go for the next available Senate seat.  NM Senate seats will be a real contest whenever they come up.  Our state Dem machine doesn't seem to produce many inspiring candidates, sadly.  Richardson's probably the best bet, if only he'd get over his presidential vanity ambitions.

          John McCain voted against health care for kids.

          by Land of Enchantment on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 01:03:45 PM PDT

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      •  I remember reading about... (3+ / 0-)

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        ...mining companies using some law from the 1860's that lets them roll in, strip mine an area until it's ruined then just pull out with huge profits leaving the communities to clean up the mess.

        That needs to be changed.

  •  Reid and Pelosi support this bill and so do I (2+ / 0-)

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    Revenue sharing for new oil and gas leases is critical to rebuilding the Louisiana wetlands. Louisiana has already passed legislation that pledges all of it's lease revenue to restoring the coastal protections that allow New Orleans and the surrounding areas to exist with any security.

    Reducing the dependence on foreign oil isn't going to happen through efficiency and new technologies alone. Some of the reduction needs to come from expanded US production - which can be done in an environmentally responsible manner. Before anyone slags me for being a tool of big oil you should realize you are probably powering your computer with energy produced by coal.

    Democrats need to be pro-energy (including fossil fuels), pro-environment like Norway. You can't get all NIMBY on every new oil lease like it's a national wildlife refuge. The Gulf of Mexico is a working port with tons of existing production. More production is good, not bad.

    •  I refer you to Bartlett's and Reid's observations (5+ / 0-)

      that neither bill contains provision one for alternative energy research and neither bill will do jack shit to solve our energy problems.  

      This is us governing. Live so that 100 years from now, someone might be proud of us.

      by marthature on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:06:27 AM PDT

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      •  It's not an omnibus energy bill (1+ / 0-)

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        This bill is about additional fossil fuel coming online and funneling some of that revenue to coastal states, just as states with mineral resources keep a share of the revenues.

        Our energy situation is an equation. Z = X + Y

        Z= total energy use
        X= fossil fuel use
        Y= renewable sources

        You can address X and Y independently.

        A= foreign fossil fuels
        B= domestic fossil fuels

        X = A+B

        Making B bigger helps you reduce A. A is partly the cause of the tensions in the Middle East. In addition to all of this Louisiana has pledged to devote all of it's new oil and gas revenues to restoring coastal wetlands.

        The entire debate does not take place in the realm of variable Y. This bill is about X.

        •  I don't buy it. (5+ / 0-)

          The purpose of a conference bill is to compromise.

          Here in California we learned years ago the results of offshore oil drilling.

          I worked at National Marine Fisheries Service co authoring 3 papers on the impacts of the water-soluble fraction of crude oil on marine food chains.

          The water-soluble fraction of crude oil includes benzene, xylene, toluene, etc.  They seep into the ocean as oil is pumped.  What do you know, they kill algae, phytoplankton, clams, fish that feed on the bivalves, etc.  The promise to spend money on wetland restoration in this circumstance boils down to promising to build a pretty place empty of life.

          There is no point I can see in encouraging the production by offshore drilling without one single mention of alternative energy funding. That is lousy politics.  You never ever bargain without bargaining.  If I were going to give up some oil drilling offshore I would damn sure require some quid pro fucking quo.

          This is us governing. Live so that 100 years from now, someone might be proud of us.

          by marthature on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:27:42 AM PDT

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          •  Compromise (1+ / 0-)

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            jeffinalabama

            If you are actively working against this bill I suggest you focus on Pelosi, not Reid. It's Reid that wants to pass the bill in the lame duck session. Gov. Blanco said of Pelosi:

            "She (Pelosi) had some problems with the extraneous issues but not our issue," Blanco said. "I'm going to encourage them to split our issues off and vote on them separately."

            I would work to get your concerns included into the issues that are 'split off' in conference. I support what you are doing but I don't think it's fair to the Gulf Coast to play politics (environmental or energy) with the funding of their rebuilding.

            •  I don't think it's fair either (2+ / 0-)

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              docangel, Jules Beaujolais

              but I do think that as Reid says the bill won't do squat for energy independence, and as the bill won't improve anything but oil companies' business, WTF?
              but thank you for the Pelosi steer.

              This is us governing. Live so that 100 years from now, someone might be proud of us.

              by marthature on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:56:50 AM PDT

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          •  Hey Martha! (3+ / 0-)

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            (It's MB, EBW from TribalLaw's spouse.)

            We're currently camped right on the beach at Jalama (near Lompoc) and can see three offshore drilling platforms (Eric speculates they're about 10 miles away.)  Every day as we walk the beach, we find big, black gobs of tar/oil/whatever littered along the shore.  I certainly wouldn't want to eat the shellfish off this beach.  Just imagine if any of those rigs failed and dumped large amounts of oil.  It would be catastrophic, potentially for generations.

            We cannot drill our way out of our fuel dependency - that we are nearing the CO2 tipping point should lead each and every leader to put a complete moratorium on any new CO2 energy production (with the exception of low emissions fuels such as ethanol and biodiesel.)  We have to bite the bullet, and now is as good a time as any.

            •  Hey, MB! (1+ / 0-)

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              docangel

              Yes, I knew it was you.

              That is terrible news.  I think it is probably a bust, too.  Let me recommend that you photograph the globs, also try to shovel one up in a bucket.

              Next:  email with pix to the LA Times, the US Fish and Wildlife Service enforcement, the California Department of Fish and Game enforcement.  And ask whom else.

              Cheers,
              M

              This is us governing. Live so that 100 years from now, someone might be proud of us.

              by marthature on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 11:10:26 AM PDT

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    •  interesting.. (2+ / 0-)

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      joejoejoe, jeffinalabama

      a progressive friend of mine in NOLA who's involved in regional business development down there seems to think this bill is essential to the ACTUAL FUTURE of New Orleans. She said "...if we don't get that bill NOW, we're done."

      What a mess, huh?

    •  Another way to look at that (4+ / 0-)

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      That work on the wetlands is being held hostage to doing this offshore development.

      The House version (Pombo's) touts how it will provide funding to rural schools.  But the right way to look at that, too, is that funding for rural schools is being held back.  That they won't fund it without this.

      I see no harm in holding it back until the 110th.  Then Pombo's out of the picture, and that can only help.

      John McCain voted against health care for kids.

      by Land of Enchantment on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:24:28 AM PDT

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      •  House-Senate conference (1+ / 0-)

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        From what I understand the bill that comes out of conference will almost exactly the same version as the Senate bill. The legislation can't move too far towards the House bill because it must get 60+ votes in the Senate to pass as opposed to a simple majority in the House. Here's Reid and Pelosi on the lame-duck session:

        Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, the presumptive majority leader, and President Bush both put final passage of a compromise for drilling in the eastern Gulf of Mexico on their short lists of goals for the lame-duck session that begins this week....Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, the incoming House speaker, has said she is open to acting on the Senate bill or something like it.

    •  I agree withyou, joejoejoe (0+ / 0-)

      this is not the 'answer' to energy problems we face, but this is an area with drilling already.

      Let's face it, this is a small matter compared with the entire energy debate and debacle we face as a nation, but it does help alabama, mississippi, louisiana... as a nation, we MUST lower importation of petroleum, AND cut demand by raising CAFE (aren't these the CAFE standards?) standards... but the energy crisis is now and will continue to be multidimensional in approach. Wind, Solar, drilling more off of the gulf coast? certainly.

      Drilling in ANWAR? and national parks? no way. For those who want energy research, this is a lame duck bill, and not the democratic plan. I want to see some serious funding for switchgrass research, more efficient than corn for ethanol.

      "Many people did not care for Pat Buchanan's speech; it probably sounded better in the original German," Molly Ivins, 1992

      by jeffinalabama on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:25:34 AM PDT

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      •  Please see I don't buy it (2+ / 0-)

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        Here again:

        The purpose of a conference bill is to compromise.

        Here in California we learned years ago the results of offshore oil drilling.

        I worked at National Marine Fisheries Service co authoring 3 papers on the impacts of the water-soluble fraction of crude oil on marine food chains.

        The water-soluble fraction of crude oil includes benzene, xylene, toluene, etc.  They seep into the ocean as oil is pumped.  What do you know, they kill algae, phytoplankton, clams, fish that feed on the bivalves, etc.  The promise to spend money on wetland restoration in this circumstance boils down to promising to build a pretty place empty of life.

        There is no point I can see in encouraging the production by offshore drilling without one single mention of alternative energy funding. That is lousy politics.  You never ever bargain without bargaining.  If I were going to give up some oil drilling offshore I would damn sure require some quid pro fucking quo.

        This is us governing. Live so that 100 years from now, someone might be proud of us.

        by marthature on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:30:19 AM PDT

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      •  Actress who played Mermaid in Splash drives (0+ / 0-)

        a grass-a-hol powered car.  Spoke about it on tv before Ahnold was governator.  Recall it because she was on one show, next show I watched was Arnold defending his Humvees and talking about "looking into" a solution.  I thought --- gee, maybe they should talk on movie sets?
           So why does switchgrass still need research? I thought it was a "problem solved" situation --- except for getting grass stations located more conveniently?

        De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

        by Neon Mama on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 03:31:22 PM PDT

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  •  Before we bash Harry (2+ / 0-)

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    Keep in mind the Senate Bill is considerably--considerably--different from what the House abomination was.

    Offshore drilling is not just going to "go away". And it shouldn't, if it's done sensibly and with adequate safeguards.

    It's oil and gas folks. It's what drives our cars and heats our houses. Reid isn't ruling out or dissing alternative energy.

    Who was Bush_Horror2004, anyway?

    by Dartagnan on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:06:00 AM PDT

    •  Last I looked, analyses show conservation gets it (6+ / 0-)

      done - like requiring a 5 mpg increase in the fuel efficiency of autos.  Like reducing the distance power lines go.  Like insulation and CFL's.

      According to Union of Concerned Scientists, if eveyrone in the US who drives an SUV drove a car instead we could eliminate Middle East oil imports 100%.  

      Fuel efficiency can be increased by at least 25% with existing technology, according to the Naitonal Academy of Sciences 2001 Report.  

      Driving a vehicle that gets 13 mpg - like an Escalade or Jeep Cherokee for example rather than a 22 mpg car like a Subaru legacy or a Ford Taurus -  for one year, will waste more energy than leaving the refrigerator door open for 6 years, the tv on for 28 years, the bathroom light on for 30 years.  

      This is us governing. Live so that 100 years from now, someone might be proud of us.

      by marthature on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:11:37 AM PDT

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    •  No more energy bills without... (3+ / 0-)

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      ...provision for alternative energy development.  It's unconscionable.  There's no excuse for it any more.  There never was an excuse for it.  But with Republicans in charge - like Pombo & Barton & Stevens - there's really no need for the Dems to do it.

      There was an amendment offered - maybe even by a Repub  (Bartlett?) - on this bill for a measly 20 million for alternative energy out of the royalties.  I watched Pombo manage that baby right off the House Floor.

      If there's going to be offshore drilling, it should be from the 110th.  After Pombo's gone, and a better suite of related matters can be assembled.  It can wait till next year.  It's not that urgent.

      John McCain voted against health care for kids.

      by Land of Enchantment on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:30:15 AM PDT

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      •  I'm with you (3+ / 0-)

        One more time re I don't buy it:

        The purpose of a conference bill is to compromise.

        There is no point I can see in encouraging the production by offshore drilling without one single mention of alternative energy funding. That is lousy politics.  You never ever bargain without bargaining.  If I were going to give up some oil drilling offshore I would damn sure require some quid pro fucking quo.

        This is us governing. Live so that 100 years from now, someone might be proud of us.

        by marthature on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:31:54 AM PDT

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  •  Pombo's replacement is a wind power expert. (7+ / 0-)

    Imagine that.  From ass to asset.

    (Hey Jerome, if you are listening, maybe you should interview him on his wind career and plans for one of your diaries.)

    Ignorance is Curable.

    by skids on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:07:14 AM PDT

    •  I say New Orleans should wake up and (0+ / 0-)

      demand that anything rebuilt must be with green power required. If they steal 9th ward land from poor people, it should be ABSOLUTELY reserved for clean and green energy --NOT for casinos and/or rich corporate developers.  Windmills, solar panels, and infrastructure designed to operate despite floods.  How often do we get a chance to CREATE it right?

      De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

      by Neon Mama on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 03:45:19 PM PDT

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  •  Look, the longer we put off (9+ / 0-)

    alternative energies, the worse off we'll be. We've given Big Oil plenty, already ...waaay more than they deserve. They won't change unless we starve them into changing.  So let them go hungry.

    Rec this diary. This is the first real legislation we've heard about, post-election, and we need to let Washington know that we voted for change. And letting Big Oil keep feeding at the trough ain't change.

    Left. Because it's right. Beware the terrible simplifiers!

    by 4thepeople on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:15:22 AM PDT

  •  Interestingly, Pombo has announced... (2+ / 0-)

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    ...two things he wants to push through in the lame duck.  And this isn't one of them, though I'm sure he'll get on board right away.  (His priorites were Endangered Species Act & ANWR.)

    I did a diary awhile back on the two versions of this bill.  Might be worth a look at this point.

    Pombo bill had several bad provisions missing from the Senate version.  Pombo's pretty well known, and not very well thought of, in Florida where offshore drilling is not supported.

    The Senate bill was already a compromise, and Frist promised Bill Nelson (D-FL) that not another inch would be given up in conference.  Nelson vowed he'd filibuster otherwise.  Pombo swore he wouldn't accept the Senate version.  Though his fortunes are rather changed since then.

    John McCain voted against health care for kids.

    by Land of Enchantment on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:19:57 AM PDT

  •  Drilling Offshore Isn't the Worst Thing (0+ / 0-)

    I may get flamed for this, but I believe it is OK to drill in places that aren't of vital environmental interest.  I oppose drilling in ANWR but drilling offshore is done by most countries around the world.  I haven't taken a good look at the legislation to see if its decidedly unfair, but I don't oppose offshore drilling on principle.

    Strength and wisdom are not conflicting values--they go hand in hand. - Bill Clinton

    by skidrow on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:27:20 AM PDT

    •  Please see my comment I don't buy it. (4+ / 0-)

      here again:

      The purpose of a conference bill is to compromise.

      Here in California we learned years ago the results of offshore oil drilling.

      I worked at National Marine Fisheries Service co authoring 3 papers on the impacts of the water-soluble fraction of crude oil on marine food chains.

      The water-soluble fraction of crude oil includes benzene, xylene, toluene, etc.  They seep into the ocean as oil is pumped.  What do you know, they kill algae, phytoplankton, clams, fish that feed on the bivalves, etc.  The promise to spend money on wetland restoration in this circumstance boils down to promising to build a pretty place empty of life.

      There is no point I can see in encouraging the production by offshore drilling without one single mention of alternative energy funding. That is lousy politics.  You never ever bargain without bargaining.  If I were going to give up some oil drilling offshore I would damn sure require some quid pro fucking quo.

      This is us governing. Live so that 100 years from now, someone might be proud of us.

      by marthature on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:29:36 AM PDT

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      •  Marthature, repeat-posting ad nauseum is not (0+ / 0-)

        an effective way of making your point.

        Who was Bush_Horror2004, anyway?

        by Dartagnan on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 11:23:07 AM PDT

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      •  Agreed big time. When Jeb Bush was elected (0+ / 0-)

        there was a flurry of sales in very old oil leases which seemed useless because our Florida stance had always been a big NO NO  to offshore drilling.  Very dependent of fishing and tourism in our lovely sunshine.  Still have species and swamps not destroyed like they've been all down east coast by developers and Gulf by drilling.  
          I couldn't figure HOW they would do it, but you don't spend that much for UNUSABLE leases.  I was webless so could not figure who or how --- but smelled a big stench coming.  Please help shame them for bargaining for bucks the American people will give them to rebuild, without extortion.  
          What will we eat when the seafood is dead? What will we drive when fossil fuels are gone because China is headed to burning them up faster than us?
          Techology is our answer. Not dead dinosaurs.  I'm starting to believe those poor black folks who heard explosions right before the flood.    Tin foil please.

        De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

        by Neon Mama on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 03:56:04 PM PDT

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    •  Uh--all oceans are places of extreme threat. (5+ / 0-)

      Been following the news about the fisheries crash lately?  The decline of the oceans is as much a threat as global warming.

      The DLC was created to prevent the takeover of the Democratic Party by Democrats.

      by Dracowyrm on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 10:48:31 AM PDT

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    •  Drilling (3+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      mbw, docangel, red bed head
      Drilling here is better than drilling there, but worse than drilling over there blahblahbla....  etc.

      This argument doesn't hold water.  The fact is that there is only ONE environment. Ours.  It'a all interconnected.  Anywhere you drill in the oceans, anywhere you burn carbon fuels, it ends up affecting the whole damn athmosphere everywhere for the whole damn planet and every single creature on it.

  •  New Orleans (0+ / 0-)

    We need the revenue stream from the royaltys to sell bonds so as to protect the LA coast line and that includes barrier islands, wetlands and levees.  This will allow us to bid the water management system internationally and get rid of the COE.  Please on behalf of my city - do not fight this bill.

    •  Sorry NOLA -- I won't sell out your grandkids or (0+ / 0-)

      mine.  The money is going for stupid war and sports domes and bridges to nowhere and deliberately broken vote machines, etc.  Let us get it for you WITHOUT shooting our planet in the head.   You need your fishermen working too.
         Get Blanco to fess up if she was strong armed to hire Bush crony, for example, to do dead bodies --- when they already fouled up in "funeralgate" and Georgia and Florida branches.  
          We voted and worked to get a Congress which will help you without you bending over.

      De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

      by Neon Mama on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 04:08:33 PM PDT

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