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Just when I thought the secrets about my local race, the NY-19 were uncovered and finished the NY Daily News drops this bombshell:

In response to his local represenatitive, Sue Kelly, backing the constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage...
Gay realtor drops 500k into Majority Action!

[more below]

I thought i had a relatively clear picture of what was going on behind the scenes in the NY-19... apparently not.

I find this quote enlightening:

According to filings with the IRS, Rose effectively underwrote Majority Action's campaign against Kelly, giving a $500,000 check to the group Sept. 29, and persuading friends and relatives to contribute tens of thousands more.

Geez, one multimillionaire (and friends) funding Majority Action's advertising incursion into the NY-19, whodafunkit?

I suppose it shows you that legislation can get people active in many ways, one I guess it to back a 527 and pour money into negative ads against the opposition.

As for us non-multimillionaires... I'll prefer grassroots organizing, canvassing, and making phonecalls.

Whats your take? Anyone else have a millionaire fly in behind a 527 and potentially tip the scales of the race?

-- MrMacMan

Originally posted to MrMacMan on Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 02:52 AM PST.

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  •  Beautiful! (2+ / 0-)
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    slksfca, McGirk

    Gotta love that secret gay multi-millionaire agenda, doncha?!

    ♥cowgirl♥
    I'd like to see a nude opera. Because when they hit those high notes, I bet you can really see it in those genitals.

    by cowgirl on Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 03:05:09 AM PST

  •  Secret gay multi-millionaire agenda? (6+ / 0-)

    Outlaw polyester and velvet drapes and replace them with cotton earthtones and spiffy wooden blinds.

  •  A true repudiation for faux moderates (6+ / 0-)
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    Tom P, bustacap, G2geek, Mike McL, McGirk, Predictor

    She voted for hate and discrimination against gays and now she's on her way back to obscurity. Exactly what she deserved.

    Is that where the Facts of Life was set? Maybe Jo and Blair sent some donations to Hall.

  •  This is the best part (8+ / 0-)

    "She told him she had backed the amendment in part because of the scruples of her Orthodox Jewish constituents in the enclave of Kiryas Joel. "

    Why is this so great?

    Kiryas Joel endorsed John Hall and gave him the key votes he needed to win.

    Sucks to be you, Sue!

    •  another all-politics-is-local instance (4+ / 0-)

      Kiryas Joel's major ongoing political issue is their rapid population growth (due to high birth rates), and friction that's caused with surrounding communities over things like land, utilities, etc.  As far as I can gather, John Hall gave them better assurances than Sue Kelly on a bunch of related issues, so they threw their weight to him.

      "See a world of tanks, ruled by a world of banks." —Sol Invictus

      by Delirium on Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 03:43:07 AM PST

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      •  actually there may not have been assurances (4+ / 0-)

        This blog post makes it sound like Hall didn't give any assurances, but that Kelly was working against some stuff they wanted (a pipeline in particular), so they were fed up with her and wanted her out.

        "See a world of tanks, ruled by a world of banks." —Sol Invictus

        by Delirium on Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 03:46:58 AM PST

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        •  So she led them on and they wised up (1+ / 0-)
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          Mike McL

          Good. Hopefully if Hall treats them with respect they'll still support him.

          Do you think the seat will stay Democratic in 2008, or is it too soon to tell?

          Hall seems like a really good politician to me. He was involved in a lot of other politics at a more local level before he ran for Congress, although the media may just see him as the guy from Orleans.

          •  no idea, but seems like good odds (2+ / 0-)
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            slksfca, Mike McL

            I'd say there's a pretty good shot, given the incumbent advantage, unless: 1) something crops up in the next 2 years that'd be an obvious negative; or 2) someone high-profile challenges.

            "See a world of tanks, ruled by a world of banks." —Sol Invictus

            by Delirium on Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 08:44:00 AM PST

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            •  yeah the odds are positive (1+ / 0-)
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              Mike McL

              The district is trending bluer every year. We are closing the republican leaning gap every with every registration.

              I don't really feel that there are many local political stars ready to break out for the republicans. Some commented that Kelly might run against him in a rematch -- I doubt this because of her age and how ... if she didn't talk to the public before this election... why would she try to get the public behind her for future elections?

              If anyone knows something else -- please comment.

              -- MrMacMan

              Its time to boot Sue Kelly out of office.

              by MrMacMan on Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 10:04:24 AM PST

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              •  And Hall will be even better in debates next time (2+ / 0-)
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                around, increasing that advantage. He also said he wants to focus on maintaining constituent services and people around here like that.

                Another plus, I think the local committees are stoked by his victory and the grassroots will get even rootier. I know my local committee is going to be reorganizing from the ground up and hopefully will be a force in the community in 2 years.

  •  Yeah! Get 'em! (2+ / 0-)
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    slksfca, Predictor

    I love it!

    Never underestimate the anger of a queen.

  •  and now his letter to Dobson (3+ / 0-)
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    bustacap, Mike McL, McGirk

    Fictional of course, but it would be fun if he did.   Might make Dobson poop in his pants, which by itself won't change the world but will at least make Dobson's day more interesting.

    "Dear Mr. Dobson:

    Enclosed are some copies of newspaper articles about one of the races in New York state.  

    Yes, I'm the gay millionaire realtor who wrote the check for $500k to defeat the hate-mongering wretch who wanted to deny us legal equality.  It worked; now she is looking for employment in the private sector.

    And you, sir, are my next target.  I just thought I should let you know, after all, it's the honorable thing to do.

    Sincerely-..."

  •  Hey Vinnie Mac, (0+ / 0-)

    I've got two words for ya....
    http://www.youtube.com/...
    ;)

    Just when they think they know the answer, I change the question. -Roddy Piper

    by McGirk on Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 04:17:39 AM PST

  •  filthy politics (5+ / 0-)
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    bustacap, Take19, Mike McL, bobswern, MrMacMan

    The best part of the linked article has to be this quote from Kelly's campaign manager Jay Townsend (who formally managed hard-right Pat Buchanan's presidential campaign):

    "They were basically calling her a coddler of pedophiles," her campaign consultant, Jay Townsend, said bitterly. "It was legal, but it was filthy politics . . . "

    This, of course, is from the people that distributed a mailer featuring a doctored photo of John Hall's next to Noth Kora's Kim Il Jong.  Oh, and with a mushroom cloud in the background, I think.

    Confirming Kelly's sore loser-ness and complete divorce from reality, of course, is the fact that as of today, six days after the Hall victory that everyone else on the planet has recognized, Kelly has yet to concede.

    •  Poor Sue! (1+ / 0-)
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      katonahdem

      If I have to read one more comment from Sue's hack about how dirty John Hall played, I'm going to FedEx my barf to him. There ought to be a law against using Photoshop to attack your opponent (as she did in the Kim Jong Il piece) and the nasty, nasty attack on his benign mutual fund holdings. For her to now play the victim is beyond nauseating.

      It's time for Sue to fade into obscurity. Starting now.

      •  The the 'outside groups are evil!' (2+ / 0-)
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        Mike McL, bobswern

        How could you have organizations other then my opponent taking out ads against me?

        That should be illegal or something!

        waaaaaaa!

        Hall slandered me!

        He said i should have been awake during House Page Board meetings! He says I ran away from local news cameras!

        waaaa!

        -- MrMacMan

        Its time to boot Sue Kelly out of office.

        by MrMacMan on Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 09:58:35 AM PST

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  •  Hey, MrMacMan (0+ / 0-)

    I saw this comment by you saying that:

    The NY State dem party has online software where people get printed and barcoded lists about which elections the person has voted in, who occupies the same house, age, gender, etc.

    I want to build Sullivan County (and Mamakating) usage of data to more effectively reach Democrats and other voters.  Can you give me more info about how to get the state party's data?

    •  I'll ask around (0+ / 0-)

      Just keep ontop of me about it ok?

      I tend not to write stuff down and then fail to remember =(

      -- MrMacMan

      Its time to boot Sue Kelly out of office.

      by MrMacMan on Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 09:54:31 AM PST

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      •  And where are you a student? (0+ / 0-)

        I'm a Marist alum myself (grad school).

        •  I tis a marist student (and the info you want!) (0+ / 0-)

          Marist College Freshmen to be specific.

          I contacted some people at the Hall campaign they are using the 'Voter Activation Network' aka 'VAN'.

          The NY State dems are a client listed here.

          I gotta say that it was a significant improvement over any phonebanking i did with any other campaign.

          Specifically they had very very targeted lists with voter background on the sheet.
          For example people would be asked if they needed a ride to the polls if they were listed as seniors.

          Once you make the phonecall you check off a box about their inclination to support the candidate or if they aren't home of if another person was, etc.

          Then later someone scans in into the website and they click which box was checked and there we have some brandy new voter info.

          great stuff.

          Better was:
          Also the fact that they phone calls were automated -- no needing to spend time to dial the number.

          The software put the persons name in the field where you would ask for that person so you didn't need to look at the sheet or anything.

          -- MrMacMan

          Its time to boot Sue Kelly out of office.

          by MrMacMan on Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 02:10:18 PM PST

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          •  I see (0+ / 0-)

            I did some phone banking from home for Hall using the Popvox system.  It was very good, and the fact that you were always waiting for a call to be connected kept you on your toes!

            Any idea of the kind of money they charge for that data?

            •  Sorry, I don't know... (0+ / 0-)

              But if your taking NY State, as i said you could contact the State Dems who seem to have provided this service for the Hall campaign (and others i think, but others used it significally less).

              I'm pretty sure to start they use the voter registration lists and then a campaign just builds upon that info... so its really the more the campaign does the better the info gets but i could be wrong.

              As for other uses or other states, (or whatever) i'm not privy to costs or such...
              -- MrMacMan

              Its time to boot Sue Kelly out of office.

              by MrMacMan on Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 03:29:29 PM PST

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  •  A Rose by any other name is (0+ / 0-)

    well, just Gay.

    Boxer-CA,Pallone-NJ & M.Warner-VA for SENATE '08

    by Predictor on Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 07:47:03 AM PST

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