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get along now?
Sheesh.
by Delaware Dem on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:11:42 AM PDT
by putino on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:12:11 AM PDT
[ Parent ]
That Pelosi's one cute chick. I'd pass her legislation anytime!
klaatu barada nikto
by JohnGor0 on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:12:19 AM PDT
i mean maybe 25 years ago she was hot, but....c'mon
"If you could hear the dreams i've had my dear, they would give you nightmares for a week" -Jawbreaker
by monkeyman58 on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:47:43 AM PDT
I want a hottie as Speaker of the House.
Perhaps you two would also like to comment on her wardrobe while you're at it.
by brookeb on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:00:52 AM PDT
I mean, what else do they do but escort bills up the catwalk?
by JohnGor0 on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:32:25 AM PDT
such a young monkeyman.
If you're lucky you'll get there one day. (In the space where a 60 year old is sexy to you.)
donate to a shelter box please http://www.shelterboxusa.org/
by TexMex on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:02:29 AM PDT
it lights up her face.
"The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information".- Henry Wallace, Vice President under FDR
by LisaZ on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:07:38 AM PDT
n/t
"a jug fills drop by drop" http://www.reubidium.com/
by puffbunny on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:32:55 AM PDT
Nancy Pelosi is nothing like MY Sicilian grandmother!
by Anthony Segredo on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 07:34:56 PM PDT
Speaking as someone over 60, get over it.
by Janie on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:47:40 AM PDT
You wouldn't have had a chance with her 25 years ago, either
She didn't know it couldn't be done, so she went ahead and did it.
by Boadicaea on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 01:16:22 PM PDT
by Wednesday Bizzare on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 01:50:18 PM PDT
57 is even too old to be considered a MIlF
by monkeyman58 on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 05:11:09 PM PDT
But I do think she's pretty. I ran her picture off and taped it to my door, more as a dig to the Republicans who walk by.
by JohnGor0 on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:14:55 AM PDT
Time to stop the circular firing squad and do what we were elected to do (with a clear mandate): pass some decent legislation.
"The perfect is the enemy of the good." -Voltaire
by PsiFighter37 on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:12:16 AM PDT
The surge worked huh? Really? Are the American soldiers out of Iraq? Then the surge FAILED!
by RElland on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:15:42 AM PDT
by gladkov on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:27:37 AM PDT
That's just stupid. He will not.
by thomsonmi on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:29:29 AM PDT
you think he had nothing to do with the anti-murtha smears recently?
No single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood
by ResponsibleAccountable on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:30:31 AM PDT
by gladkov on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:32:08 AM PDT
So...in support:
Hoyer will BLOCK Pelosi's every move!!!!!
"We're all working for the Pharaoh" - Richard Thompson
by mayan on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:35:37 AM PDT
HOYER will block Pelosi's every move! Hoyer WILL block Pelosi's every move! ... Hoyer WILL block PELOSI'S every move! Hoyer WILL block PELOSI'S EVERY move! Hoyer WILL block PELOSI'S every MOVE!
by Andrew S on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:42:13 AM PDT
"block". Geez.
Seek first and final principles at The Mean Free Path.
by Cream Puff on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:50:13 AM PDT
I just saw that you were completing the above post. It's inconsequential to begin with, and there I go erroneously correcting someone. Shut up Cream Puff!
by Cream Puff on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:51:32 AM PDT
All my sisters, brothers, and me... weee!!
Though, I must note the rather sour look on Murtha's face when the new leadership had its press conference....
by dclawyer06 on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 12:37:13 PM PDT
I said it in Hebrew - I said it in Dutch - I said it in German and Greek: But I wholly forgot (and it vexed me much) That English is what you speak!
L. Carroll, The Hunting of the Snark
Which pundit most resembles Ruby Rhod?
by wystler on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 12:45:01 PM PDT
Last time I checked he won the #2 spot of the DEMOCRATIC party.
Thinking men can not be ruled. --Ayn Rand
by Wisper on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:30:29 AM PDT
by RElland on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:34:03 AM PDT
would arrest me for a diary saying just that. I'll put it in my next diary featuring a Wayne Madsen article saying Bush planned 9/11
by gladkov on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:39:44 AM PDT
...are still busy investigating the 9/11 - Holstein link.
"That which I am writing about so tediously may be obvious to someone whose mind is less decrepit." - Ludwig Wittgenstein
by Mad Dog Rackham on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:34:51 AM PDT
I always suspected the Danish revanchists.
by Whittless on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:37:41 AM PDT
what is it from?
by monkeyman58 on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:49:15 AM PDT
The Schleswig-Holstein Question
And a relevant quote:
"Only three people understood the Schleswig-Holstein question. The first was Albert, the Prince consort and he is dead; the second is a German professor, and he is in an asylum: and the third was myself - and I have forgotten it." - Lord Palmerston.
by Whittless on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:11:54 AM PDT
With a tattoo that says, "Better dead than Danish" (in Friesian Plattduetsch, of course).
[-8.13/-8.67]
by chgriffen on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:15:41 AM PDT
All comments on this site should be fully pastuerized.
Homogenization is optional.
by Whittless on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:34:56 AM PDT
by Linda in SFNM on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:40:49 AM PDT
[/no snark]
Time will tell.
Contact Pelosi about impeachment: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
by Pescadero Bill on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:55:35 AM PDT
if you can't handle democracy, maybe we should go back to total Rethug control...
Honestly, they haven't even taken power yet. Why not give them the benefit of the doubt until after they've been in office for a day or so?
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it -- GB Shaw
by kmiddle on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:03:13 AM PDT
I don't do trust when it comes to politics.
That's not my job in this democracy.
I want to crush corporate influence in politics so that this democracy can actually work.
Hoyer's owned and I'm on my second bottle of mouthwash.
by Pescadero Bill on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:14:08 AM PDT
is not for the faint of heart.
And who the hell isn't "owned" in some sense? Is Pelosi "owned" by the Sierra Club? Or by Jeanne Lynch (to pick out one random name of someone who contributed more than $200 to her campaign)?
Purity is pretty darned hard to come by, especially in politics.
by kmiddle on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:27:18 AM PDT
There's a world of difference the examples you give. Campaign contributions and perks come from corporations that want to see their profits continue and increase. People send $200 because they believe the candidate will improve their lives, or because they admire the candidate--or both.
by Boadicaea on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 01:47:18 PM PDT
Murtha gets whip post and Hoyer's history of backstabbing Bush critics is now exposed for all the rank-and-file to see.
Hoyer knows now that we're watching his every move. He tries to backstab Pelosi any more like he's done on Iraq and on the Bankruptcy Bill (to name but two instances), we'll make sure the world knows about it well before he does.
John McCain will end Roe v. Wade if he's president.
by Phoenix Woman on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:15:01 AM PDT
somebody needs to reign her in. It is time we recognized that she does not represent the views of a majority of america. My brother lived in San Fran for 10 years... and they, along with Berkeley and SantaCruz, are militant in their own world view. Tolerance is great... as long as it what they want to tolerate.
This report is great. The Meltdown Election
I totally agree with Carville on the part that says this is a great opportunity for the democratic party... but people voted against republicans just as much as they voted for democrats. It was not a total mandate for a liberal agenda. The DNC should not ignore that. Lead honestly and responsibly from the relative center and they will stay in power. The Michael Moores, Bradys, and Cindy Sheehans of the world may not be completely happy... but we will have a responsible government that will move our country forward.
I won't speak for america, but what I want is common sense legislation. I feel that the republicans have been doing "check the box" legislation (like the boarder fence, airport security) that sounds good but when you peel back the layers it doesn't really do anything. I feel the democrats suppot "feel good/in a perfect world" legislation that places P.C. above reality and does not deal with the threats that face our country. There has to be something in the middle. There IS something in the middle... but we are too partisan to go there.
My freedom is more important than your good idea. - Bumper Sticker
by Captain Infidel on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:30:45 AM PDT
I needed that slap in the face, that bucket of cold water dumped on my head.
Here I was euphoric over the delusion that the Iraq and class wars, and the realization that the Bush regime is EVIL incarnate, were what this was all about, what energized the voters.
I see now that it's good that Pelosi is reined in -- to keep us going in the same direction. That "new direction" stuff, that's a good sound bite, but we don't want to panic anyone important.
Privatizing Social Security wouldn't have done anything. And adding 12 million illegal immigrants to the legal work force wouldn't have affected the unemployment rate. And we don't need Habeas Corpus.
After all, the Democrats in the House have spoken with one voice these past 6 years. Standing up to Bush, calling him on his outrageous behavior with unanimity. That's why everyone was saying, "My, the Democrats sure have an agenda!"
It's clear the same leadership will continue to do fine.
Bush Administration: Proving the saying, "You can fool all most of the people some of the time, and 30% 24% all the time...."
by Helpless on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 02:22:03 PM PDT
to do what she did. Now we lost all the momentum.
by ProudLib on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:49:15 AM PDT
The election is over. In a little while we will be wringing our collective hands over someone or something else.
Why? Because we're the netroots, and it's what we do!
And we do it better than anyone else!
Now, who will join me for a nice piece of PIE?
John McCain--Anti-choice and anti-woman!
by Sharoney on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 01:12:52 PM PDT
It would have been better if we had just elected the GOP.
[/snark]
by hackeynut on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:35:50 AM PDT
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -- Mark Twain
by JDRhoades on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:47:04 AM PDT
Murtha's crooked. How would it look if we kick the Republicans based, at least to a large degree on corruption, and then elected a guy who's on tape giving his reason for turning down a bribe as simply that he didn't know if the briber was on the up and up. Turns out he wasn't so Murtha is smart, smart but corrupt. And corruption has dogged him his entire career. Never caught, but never clean either. What's our message if we had him: "Tired of watching your congressmen go to jail. Vote Dem. We do corruption right, we don't get caught." Besides Murtha's no liberal on most issues. Sure he's turned coat on Iraq (after initially supporting the invasion, I don't know why you all give him a free pass on this that you don't give Edwards or Kerry), but he's on almost any social issue you can name he's an arch conservative. He's not loyal either, if the Republicans offer enough he can be counted on to break ranks. Murtha didn't deserve the job, and the way Pelosi acted in pushing him makes me doubt she deserves hers.
by sld7c on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:57:21 AM PDT
Hoyer is much better? Does K Street ring a bell with you? Murtha and Hoyer had just about the same voting record. Also, you did hear Novak and the rest of crew at Faux plug Hoyer, right? What does that say about Hoyer when Faux is rooting for you?
John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:30:34 AM PDT
That does say a lot, doesn't it? (And why doesn't it surprise me that Novak would like Hoyer?)
by Phoenix Woman on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:36:49 AM PDT
"A vote for a Dem is a Vote for Terrorist"? I feel that the logic behind this argument, no matter when used, is false.
by antifood on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:12:25 AM PDT
to supposedly "present the Democrats as who they really are." Which in Limbaugh Land means, just as corrupt as Repulsicans.
by chgriffen on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:18:12 AM PDT
I saw Murtha explain himself on Hardball. Just as with his "crap" comment about the ethics bill he was able to explain it and away went the misgivings I had.
Ostensibly it looks like the Dems in the house chose to take someone as Majority leader who doesn't appear corrupt over someone who will work hard to change the direction in Iraq.
Corruption trumped Iraq here. That's the way I see it. Unless Hoyer is corrupt. Ugh. I hope not.
In the long run the Iraq war will be Bush's war and HIS stain and will take all the blame for it. The Dems are in a tough position because of it. But with keeping a clean House, I think the electorate will reward that more than whether or not you had a strong position on getting out of Iraq quickly or more slowly.
Cheney/Satan '08. Let's finish what Bush started!
by agentcooper on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:58:30 AM PDT
With all of the discussion about the elections and changes, etc. I think everyone is missing this point...
Bush is STILL commander in chief.
Democrats do not have the power or constitutional authority to direct the troops or run the war.
If my understanding is correct, the only thing they can do is...
Oversight. Fund/Defund the war.
Besides that, it is still Bush's war...
by JoelNH on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 03:30:08 PM PDT
Where's your facts? Your links?
The only corruption claim I've heard was in regards to ABSCAM. And there, it was admitted he wasn't charged.
Another Kos poster pointed out that the Feds tried to nail him. Took video tape of their guy offering him $50K. And Murtha said no thanks, got up and walked away! Then cooperated with the Feds to nail others.
So, do you have other corruption "facts"? or are you a troll "Swift Boating" our hero?
by Helpless on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 02:29:20 PM PDT
Available Here
by JoelNH on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 03:31:22 PM PDT
He said "I'm not interested. . .at the moment." Then proceeded to say that he might be interested later, assured them what a good buy bribing John Murtha was, and talked about banks he knew that were good to deposit money in. He's steered contract after contract to his his brother's company and he's sold out the Democrats more than once just to get pork. Hoyer might not be Mr. Smith, but he's not crossed the lines Murtha has. You're either woefully underinformed or twisting the truth beyond recognition to portray Murtha like you do. Call me a troll if you will, I'm trying to talk some sense into you people. This guy's a hero of yours? What does that say about you? He talks your game on one issue, one single issue, where he doesn't even have much say and you're willing to ignore a bad voting record and a crooked career. If that's all it takes to get the blogosphere's support then you're even dumber than and more misinformed than you're made out to be.
by sld7c on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 04:29:15 PM PDT
Better off if we elected the GOP because this guy's the whip? That's patently ridiculous. Don't let politcal junkyism get the best of ya.
This whole business is a post-election frenzy molehill; and the party can function well on the Hill , whoever would have won this thing.
by bmazor on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:20:24 AM PDT
... but figure you don't visit often ...
else how could you miss the endSnark tag ...
by wystler on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 12:52:39 PM PDT
it can't be called a cock block all things considered so what can it be called? [ /snark ]
Sarcasm: It beats killing people...
by Dreggas on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:38:23 AM PDT
We need to systemmatically track legislation. In fact, there is no reason why we can't track every single piece of legislation under consideration in congress before they get to vote on it because there are enough of us for doing that. That's the key.
Get to know what they're up to ahead of time, do research on those bills, form well-informed opinions and positions (and perhaps come up with suggestions for improvement), and finally make sure that they hear from us.
That's how power can return to the people, and that's how we can usher in an era of direct democracy on progressive terms.
GovTrack.us may be a good place to start.
Evan Bayh is a McCain/Lieberman clone.
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:25:25 AM PDT
but the reception was less than enthusiastic.
Jim Talent
by healthpellets on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:26:49 AM PDT
reception to your diary.
I am thinking that some structure and organization needs to be put in place before people get into it and over time become engaged in it on a regular basis. I'll read your diary. Thanks.
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:31:11 AM PDT
thanks for linking up!
Show of hands... who would join Kucinich's effort to impeach VP Cheney?
by Mogolori on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:14:29 AM PDT
when you are ready (or before).....
PATRIOT I+II, MCA, FISA CAPITULATION, NOW TORTURE. YOUR COUNTRY IS SLOWLY BEING DISMANTLED. WHAT R U GONNA DO ABOUT IT?
by maxschell on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:01:58 AM PDT
Some legislation can only be reviewed by people who are knowledgable in very specialized fields.
For instance, I could review air pollution laws and regulation, but not much else with any expertise.
I did not see your diary.. I'm not here on Friday night at 11, and I wouldn't be surprised if that played a part in the low response.
by Politburo on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:39:23 AM PDT
life here and around the blogosphere. Therefore, if we are able to tap into that diversity of expertise, it may be possible to cover a large domain of areas.
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:45:21 AM PDT
Don't get too upset about it, especially on a high traffic day.
by JDRhoades on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:47:59 AM PDT
going?
Article 6: "...no religious test shall *ever* be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the U.S."
by billlaurelMD on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:37:16 AM PDT
healtpellets' comment above. thanks.
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:40:16 AM PDT
There are places for volunteers to sign up to monitor congressional committees there. Please do!
Hopemonger
by extradish on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:46:39 AM PDT
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:51:22 AM PDT
One of my bigger requests to the Democrats is to make everything that's voted upon have lines indicating which Rep/Senator is responsible for every paragraph. No more anonymous lines inserted into bills so there's deniability that such and such isn't responsible for putting that earmark in to that bill. Heck, MS Office will allow edit marks to show this, why can't we demand it of our elected representatives? If they can't be strong enough to stand up for their own works, why should we accept they're doing things for the people's best interests?
by ColoTim on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:40:40 AM PDT
in recognizing when a lobbyist was responsible, directly or indirectly, for whole sections of a bill.
"In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken
by SueDe on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:47:28 AM PDT
By seeking to stop the "circular firing squad", does that mean that we are NOT to hold Dem feet to the fire on legislation and ethics reform and that we are supposed to shut-up and stay quiet just 'cause their Dems?
Just wondering. See, I wont hold fire if there are ethical lapses or failures to push necessary reforms and legislation: REAL ethics reform that cannot be undone by simple policy measures if the GOPers retake the castle, dumping the torture bill, stopping Iraq Debacle (stopping an expansion as Bush is declaring), gutting the "Patriot" Act, killing warrantless eavesdropping, reinstating habeas corpus, etc.
Or is it "they're crooks but at least they're OUR crooks"?
"Events are in the saddle and ride mankind." --Ralph Waldo Emerson
by Terminus Est on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 12:21:48 PM PDT
let's get on with it.
Let's pause for a moment of science...
by cleverblogname on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:12:40 AM PDT
My immediate reaction was along the lines of "whatthefuckever."
Which is the same reaction as it would have been if Murtha would have won.
We're the majority party. Now would be a good time to learn when and how to pick our battles.
by betterdonkeys on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:17:21 AM PDT
get along now? Sheesh.
DLC=RNC-30years
by hardleft on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:12:46 AM PDT
relief that Hoyer won, but relief that the race was over. I liked both Hoyer and Murtha.
by Delaware Dem on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:13:59 AM PDT
Just felt MY feelings should be expressed too.
by hardleft on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:19:08 AM PDT
the same, though it my case it was because I'm not crazy about either of them :-)
Bruce is still God, but Michael Phelps is moving up the rankings.
by ChurchofBruce on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:38:38 AM PDT
Please visit Steviemo, Heideho and Friends on the World Wide Web!
by steviemo on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:13:09 AM PDT
Time for the Dems to get to work and do the job they were elected to do. Hopefully now that this is settled, they'll come out kick-ass and raring to go in January.
by crowgirl on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:14:35 AM PDT
Alex Choose Our President 2008
by ourprez08 on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:15:57 AM PDT
But it's given the media no end of "Dems divided" and "Pelosi ineffective" stories. Bah.
Live Free Or Do Whatever It Takes So I Don't Die
by nasarius on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:16:01 AM PDT
Today's a good day to skip TV. It will all have washed over by tomorrow.
Never give up! Never surrender!
by oscarsmom on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:27:59 AM PDT
I think the media will dine out on this one for quite a while.
With a maverick like John McCain, who needs a toady?
by Malacandra on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:51:57 AM PDT
I'd hop on 422, take it to 95 south, curse and get all huffity at the traffic, get down to DE, knock on your door, and give you a big hug!
::::
Me! | John McCain
by nowheredesign on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:17:32 AM PDT
It's better for the environment.
by Kimberly Stone on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:18:22 AM PDT
by nowheredesign on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:19:27 AM PDT
by PsiFighter37 on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:23:49 AM PDT
by nowheredesign on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:25:42 AM PDT
I am located at 18th & JFK in Center City.
by Delaware Dem on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:41:37 AM PDT
and this store on South st. called VEEM... Remember that place?
My aunt still works @ at Sansom st. Oyster House after 30 years.
by nowheredesign on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:45:45 AM PDT
... House, across from Kennedy House.
The Dutch children's chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen (= “kids for kids”): is a world cultural treasure.
by lotlizard on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:15:13 AM PDT
across from the Sterling.
by Delaware Dem on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:15:53 AM PDT
by lotlizard on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:32:47 AM PDT
Yes. And hopefully sometimes can agree to disagree, etc. phew!
on strike.
by daria g on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:19:50 AM PDT
Nothing to see here...
Soldiers are required to do their jobs when politicians fail to do theirs
by leftvet on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:26:56 AM PDT
Unlike Republicans, orders don't come down from the top to Democrats. They're independent representatives of the people, not foot soldiers for the party leadership.
This is how you fight corruption - with independence.
There will be no "Hammer" in the Democratic Congress.
by Richard Carlucci on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:40:54 AM PDT
And the next person in the MSM who brings up "Democrats in revolt" should be reminded of their spin when Lamont won: "The Democrats are intolerant of dissent!"
by JDRhoades on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:50:29 AM PDT
What can we use instead? Free Democrats?
"It is not be cause things are difficult that we do not dare; it is because we do not dare that they are difficult." Seneca
by MontanaMaven on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:09:56 AM PDT
And calls off her lap dogs (Carville, Rahm Emmanuel & Begalla) to apologize or at least congratulate him for a job well done.
If they don't, I say we pick a day... a month from now, on the 1 month anniversary of the election, and get everyone from Kos, mydd, atrios, all of them and send Howard money.... $5.01, $20.01, $100.01, as much as one can afford and show the Clinton camp that we are a force to be recognized in this party.
I'm going to post this in a diary & see if there's anyone whith any ideas?
Confucius say: Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.
by bluecayuga on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:44:53 AM PDT
I thought I read something earlier that says he supports Dean staying.
by JDRhoades on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:51:41 AM PDT
The Eternal Optimist
by RealisticDeminMD on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:00:50 AM PDT
I just wanted you to know that your name loaded the youtube in my brain and showed me some great shots of Cayuga. They were sharp and clear, even after having been kept in slimy grey matter since I was 11 years old (the last time I lived in Ithaca--50 years ago).
Thanks :)
by Boadicaea on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 01:56:50 PM PDT
All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting. - George Orwell
by Five of Diamonds on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:46:43 AM PDT
If a few less people DIE. AMERICA, GET THE FUCK OUT OF IRAQ!
But when Great Satan's gone, the Whore of Babylon. She just can't remain with all that outer space. She breaks. She caves. --Conor Oberst, Four Winds
by neoconsuck on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:19:09 AM PDT
should have gotten behind ethics reform. That's what did him in.
by jeffman on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:11:57 AM PDT
doesn't matter what you meant to say, sir. It's what you said. Corruption was THE issue in the election, so Ethics Reform is due. Period.
by healthpellets on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:13:47 AM PDT
Let me tell everyone what just happened. The Iraq withdrawl just got put on the back burner. As with the lead up to the invasion itself, Dems are going to put political expedience in front of doing whats right.
Watch as they go after Carl Levin next.
At this point we might as well torpedo McCain by agreeing to his more troops proposal.
Now excuse me while I go throw-up.
Usually a candidate only has to run against one Party. Ned Lamont had to fight the entire CT Rep Party, and 1/3 of the CT Dem Party. No wonder he lost.
by DeanFan84 on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:20:52 AM PDT
Iraq withdrawl is still a "front burner" issue. Murtha will still draw attention to the war as he did in the past. He won't have the title, but he'll still have his voice. And his voice will carry the same weight.
If you're going to run on a "more transparancy, less corruption" platform, can you really say that Murtha is the guy?
And as a progressive, I can truly say that Murtha is NOT the guy for this job.
by healthpellets on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:24:59 AM PDT
his voice will carry the same weight.
Murtha just took a huge blow. This will be spun as a win by Hoyer, "the Centrist", and Murtha will be further derided as "corrupt".
Please understand, that on a purely political basis, Dems don't want to be responsible for leaving/losing Iraq. At least not until it gets that much uglier.
by DeanFan84 on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:35:00 AM PDT
by Angry White Democrat on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:40:48 AM PDT
This vote shows Hoyer is politically stronger than Murtha, in part because Murtha wants us out of Iraq soon. But also simply because Hoyer provides more $$$ to Dem candidates.
We knew before today that most (60+%?) members of Congress are against leaving soon, against Murtha's Iraq approach. That is no more or less true today.
The Iraq situation is still in play: The voters have made their desires known; the disastrous chaotic headlines will stay just as bad or get worse over the next several months. & the Dems (hopefull??!!) KNOW they will pay heavily in 2008 if they get on board with whatever "still occupying in November 2008" 'solution' the ISG and Bush start pushing.
We need the PEACE movement protesting NOW! Not despair.
I'm important, and everyone else is too. - G.K. Chesterton
by fairleft on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:49:31 AM PDT
But not too loudly.
The only thing Dems had going for them in 2006 was Iraq, (and the netroots). With no real platform, they are hoping a continued mess in Iraq will garner us the White House in 2008.
Our Dem politicians don't want to wear an Iraq withdrawl/loss. This is just Vietnam all over again.
by DeanFan84 on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:54:49 AM PDT
