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Cohen: Killing is Justified Because Those Who Oppose It Offend Me

Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 04:48:40 AM PDT

Today, Richard Cohen renews his quest to explore the very limits of wankerdom in his latest Washington Post op-ed column.  It's valuable for its insight into how the opinion elite in Washington, and in particular the so-called "liberal hawks," can simultaneously recognize the war has gone disastrously wrong while continuing to maintain it was not wrong to have started it in the first place.

Cohen is exactly right when he says that at this point in the war,

... this talk of the Iraqis doing more on their own behalf is Vietnamization in the desert rather than the jungle. What remains the same is asking soldiers to die for a reason that the politicians in Washington can no longer explain. This, above all, is how Iraq is like Vietnam: older men asking younger men to die while they try to figure something out.

But how did we come to this point?  On that, Cohen, like the DLC politicians who backed the war before it began, is considerably less critical:  

I ... originally had no moral qualms about the war. Saddam Hussein was a beast who had twice invaded his neighbors, had killed his own people with abandon and posed a threat -- and not just a theoretical one -- to Israel ... We are a good country, attempting to do a good thing.  In a post-Sept. 11 world, I thought the prudent use of violence could be therapeutic.

Well, yes, Dick, therapy would clearly seem to be in order.  Let me dial you up a nice fat syringe full of Thorazine while we deconstruct your lunacy ...

What Cohen and others like him refuse to acknowlege is that war, however one attempts to justify it, invariably involves the slaughter of innocents.  Whether we look to the children we send off to fight, or the children whose homes happen to be under the bellies of the bombers, the parade of burned and mangled flesh, broken limbs, and open graves are what distinguish war from all other forms of human competition.  Even if everything Bush had said about going to war were true, and even if Rumsfeld had managed the war to perfection, Iraq would still be a charnel house, because that's what war is -- always, now, and forever.  The only thing that changes is the magnitude of the butcher's bill.

This is not news: the whole of human history stands as a testament to the price of war.  There may not be a square inch of soil on the face of the earth that has not been washed by human blood.  It's not therapy: it's massacre.  Cohen, like the other "liberal hawks," may be stupid, but he is not ignorant.  Having served in the Army and lived through Vietnam, he knows what war is.  

So why did he support this one?  

The answer lies buried in the middle of the column, and a truly gut-turning one it is.  Not only was Saddam a bad man, Cohen writes, and a threat to Israel:  

If anything, I was encouraged in my belief by the offensive opposition to the war -- silly arguments about oil or empire or, at bottom, the ineradicable and perpetual rottenness of America.

And there you have Cohen's final refuge: he supported the war because those who opposed it were "offensive."  

The entirely inevitable slaughter of war, the mass murder of hundreds of thousands, was justified in part because this twisted bastard found us offensive.  And for all that I think Cohen is frantically dissembling about his rationale for the war, that much rings true: in the final analysis Cohen, like the others, was a cheerleader for the war because it made him feel smug.  

And so for Cohen, it was not wrong to go to war, because going to war made him feel good about himself.

This, Dick, is the answer to the perpetual whine "But why do they hate us?"  It's not for our freedoms, Dick, its because to some of us -- to you, and others like you -- the lives of their children are worth less than your own ego.

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    •  Here's what frightens me... (6+ / 0-)

      ...I find many folks here on dKos making variations of that same argument to support a draft.

      I believe a draft is worth thoughtful, soul-searching discussion, not a political football to be bandied about by, and I quote your diary here, people who believe the lives of our children are worth less than their own egos.

      "Oh, TV. Is there anything you can't do?" -- Homer Simpson

      by Melody Townsel on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 04:52:17 AM PDT

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      •  I totally agree here... (1+ / 0-)

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        There should never be a draft - ever again. What draft means is picking people out of their houses, giving them a gun, and putting them somewhere to kill or be killed.
        Kinda gladitorial of us, isn't it.
        My little boy is too young at a tender age of two, but if he were old enough to go, and there were a draft, I'd buy a freaking M-16 and shoot the first person who'd come to take him away. They can all go to hell, them and their wars.

        Instead of ever - EVER - invoking this as a solution to make us all equal (as if the rich and the connected wouldn't just buy their way out of it anyway) - let's just bring them home. All of them. And give them real jobs instead of having them kill others in our name.

    •  Unfortunately, califlander, I did read (2+ / 0-)

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      the column, and not only because Glenn Greenwald linked to it in order to tear it apart. What's with that "4 I's" device he constructed? Like one of him isn't far too many.

      It annoys me when columnists insert themselves into their op eds. OK, I just said "I" but this is a different kind of forum. Sorry I didn't see this when you first posted to boost your mojo when it mattered. If you had timed your diary for afternoon... So congrats on getting rescued.

    •  Inspired me to write an LTC (Letter to a Clown) (2+ / 0-)

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      As follows:

      Dear Mr. Cohen:
         The following sentence in your Post editorial illustrate a profound and continuing lack of understanding about Iraq and Middle Eastern history:

      "If anything, I was encouraged in my belief by the offensive opposition to the war -- silly arguments about oil or empire or, at bottom, the   ineradicable and perpetual rottenness of America."

      Your desire to dismiss legitimate critics of the war as basically woolly-headed and un-American is shamelessly ad-hominem and intellectually vacuous. As much as you might not like history, the people who most strongly opposed this war from its outset are the people who understand the Middle East.  This war was unwinnable because Iraq is at best a barely viable state.  The British discovered this in 1920, and they made their best move when they got the hell out.  The secular state under Saddam was only ever skin-deep, and that skin was Nasserism.  Saddam clearly tacked away from Nasserism and towards encouraging old sectarian and tribal identification to hold the country together under his bloody, corrupt rule.  The war we went into was unwinnable from any vantage point, and nearly all of what would happen (civil war) were clearly visible to anyone bothering to pay atention to the history of the region.  Woolly-headed un-American critics like James Baker, who is most certainly "convinced of the ineradicable rottenness of America" have for some frustratingly incomprehensible reason been proved right time and time again.  Perhaps the time has come to stop casting around aspersions and learn from people who were right about this colossal debacle?  Or maybe as one of your earlier columns elucidated, you'd rather keep playing the class clown than work at learning something hard like algebra or geopolitics?

      The following sentences explain your continuing unwillingness to understand that we can't win when all plausible alternatives make us worse off than before, or to hold anyone (including yourself) accountable for the monumentally ignorant
      decision to try to do so:

      "On the contrary, I thought. We are a good country, attempting to do a good thing. In a post-Sept. 11 world, I thought the prudent use of violence could be therapeutic. The United States had the power to change things for the better, and those who would do the changing -- the fighting -- were, after all, volunteers. This mattered to me."

      Wars are attacks on another nation,  involving profound and almost always imprudent violence.  They are not a "good country doing a good thing" for "therapy".  Feeding the hungry, saving the whales, and educating those who are illiterate are "doing good things", and therapy happens in a psychiastrist's office.  At best wars are a country using violence as a way to halt an uncontrollably bad thing and preserve its strategic interests. This mentality of war in Iraq as a volunteer church outing is why you can let yourself and President Bush off the hook for Iraq over and over again, and come up with all sorts of reasons why we should continue to fight an unwinnable war that damages our strategic and security interests.  Rather than admit a mistake: you didn't really understand Iraq but prevaricated for the war and cast aspersions on its critics, you squirm around the language of therapy and personal emotion.

      Do us all a favor: either admit that you were wrong about Iraq and wrong to compensate for that by casting aspersions on the character of those who were right, and instead try to learn about what's going on there, or just pick another topic to misunderstand.

      Sincerely,

      Eric Ellsworth

  •  Reading Cohen's drivel (2+ / 0-)

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    Makes my head hurt. Talk about circular logic!

    "Truth never damages a cause that is just."~~~Mohandas K. Gandhi -9.38/-6.26

    by LynneK on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 04:50:03 AM PDT

  •  Humility (6+ / 0-)

    Note how easily Cohen glides from 'I think we can' to 'I think we should' to 'What's the worst thing that can happen?'

    There is no doubt the neocons expected to be having breakfast in Damascus by now, gloating in their own brilliance and oblivious to the death and suffering they caused to 'the masses'.

    The US used to be powerful because miscreants around the world weren't sure how overwhelming our power was. And that's what Shock & Awe was supposed to demonstrate, except that it predictably came back to 'Is that the best you've got?'

    Why haven't the media purged themselves of these goons?

    You kids behave or I'm turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! - god

    by Clem Yeobright on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 05:25:14 AM PDT

    •  Addendum re Shock & Awe (5+ / 0-)

      Maybe Cohen didn't consider this - hell, definitely Cohen didn't think of this in advance - but another S&A moment would have been what you or I might have predicted: Okay, Cohen, but if you are wrong your career is over. What a delight for him to discover that there is no accountability in the media either! One wonders if there was not a moment he saw himself clearly and asked his editors: You mean after all that you are still going to pay me for my drivel?

      You kids behave or I'm turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! - god

      by Clem Yeobright on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 05:31:11 AM PDT

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    •  No purges in sight, alas (0+ / 0-)

      In fact, since the election, the WaPo is a giving a platform to the loathsome poisonous toad and intellectual 50cent whore, Robert Novak.

      It's absolutely disgusting, so much so that I have almost stopped reading them on line. If only I could get Doonesbury somewhere else.

      And since is when is a country's being 'a threat to Israel' an adequate reason to justify killing half a million of it's citizens?

      You'll pay me the 8s I won of you a-betting?

      by Boreal Ecologist on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 04:50:25 AM PDT

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  •  Actually, (1+ / 0-)

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    We do hate you for your freedoms.  But only the ones used irresponsibly that to the rest of the world wind up as 'freedooms'.

    Best Wishes, Demena Economic Left/Right: -8.38
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    by Demena on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 05:54:42 AM PDT

  •  besides shredding cohen (1+ / 0-)

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    are you saying that no war is justified?

  •  Another person lover of Pax Amerikana.... (4+ / 0-)

    silly arguments about oil or empire

    Indeed, and people wonder why the the world doesn't like the U.S. these days.

    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." Seneca

    by Ralfast on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 09:21:46 PM PDT

  •  Cohen has his head up his ass (2+ / 0-)

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    The "offensive" opposition included Al Gore, Senators Feingold and Wellstone, Generals Schwarzkopf and Zinni, Pope John Paul II, and millions of decent citizens who saw this war as a cynical grab for power.

    But noooooo, Cohen has to cover his butt with Yet Another rationalisation.  By that token he probably loved Jesse Helms bashing gays because the Senator cloaked his prejudices with a thin veneer of courtliness.

  •  neocons wrote about oil and empire! (4+ / 0-)

    Cohen writes as if some mad leftists invented these two themes.

    I recall reading the infamous Energy Plan prepared by Cheney's commission.  Almost half of it was filled with "secure increased oil supplies from South America", "secure increased oil supplies from Africa" etc., without omitting Middle East of course.

    Shortly before the war there was an entire conference in London on the subject how to reorganize Iraqi oil industry after the war.  As oppose to, say, a conference to unite the entire Iraqi democratic opposition.

    Then there was a rather lucid and repulsive program called PNAC (modestly, it was about American Century, as opposed to Thousand Year Reich).

    Moreover, there was a slew of neo-conish books about American Empire.  And neo-cons were amoung the decision makers of the war, in the entourage of Rumsfeld and Cheney.

    It was neo-cons who warmly recalled whatever feeble imperial experiance USA had: civil wars in Central America and anti-insurgency in Philippines.  Unlike neo-cons, and perhaps unlike Rich Cohen, many regards those episodes of American history as thoroughly rotten, unlike, say, New Deal, Marshall Plan or Civil Rights Movement.

    So, "pathologically", war critics took neo-connish writings seriously, and, even more "pathologically", used them to make correct prediction.

  •  A good essay about this (0+ / 0-)

    today by Digby here.

  •  A war criminal hangs out his slate (0+ / 0-)

    He Is Apparently an Empty vessel whose vacancy cannot be filled with peace, or silence but only with noise. And war, for all its failings, is about noise.

    Screeching and grinding and horrific, relentless endless detonations that leave no cognitive room for thinking, or feeling or anything beyond a reptilian drive to just, not, die.

    War, for him, is the force that gives him meaning.

    Without the cacaphony of war to blot out the cosmic vacancy between his ears, and those of Bush and Cheney and their cabal, they are left to confront their own, personal, till death do them part, emptiness.

    War. Therapeutic. It alone can rescitate the heart of darkness.

    The Number of the Beast 78-22

    by Deep Dark on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 11:33:54 PM PDT

    •  Ummm, do you mean Christopher Hitchens? (1+ / 0-)

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      And have you read the book?  It's a little dense and academic, but you can hardly call it an endorsement of war or the warmongering mentality.

      Chris Hedges does not work at Slate, and Christopher Hitchens, who is a contributor there, did not write War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning.

  •  :You never do a mother a favor! (0+ / 0-)

    by bring war to her country! If you don't believe me, ASK! your mother!
    So says my better half!
    She is the better half for a good reason.

    "We need to ask America to adopt a new kind of patriotism, a patriotism about something more than just war." -- John Edwards

    Kissel '06
    Edwards '08

    "The difficult, we do overnite! The impossible takes a little longer."

    What was America, when I was young!

  •  HOW MANY "FRIEDMANS" AGO? (2+ / 0-)

    "In a post-Sept. 11 world, I thought the prudent use of violence could be therapeutic."
    Richard Cohen, November 21, 2006

    "The 'real reason' for this war, which was never stated, was that after 9/11 America needed to hit someone in the Arab-Muslim world."
    Tom Friedman, June 4, 2003

    Two pundidiots explaining why we had to go to war against a country that had no connection to 9/11. Why wasn't Afghanistan enough for Bush or them?

    How many "Friedmans" ago was it that the War on Iraq started? Six or seven "Friedmans", I believe, but I'm losing count. In another "Friedman" or ten, perhaps the War really will end.

    The billionaire pundit only talks to princes and pashas and dear old Henry the K. And the Times still publishes this bozo-in-a-bubble's opinions as if they were manna from heaven, rather than manure from inside-the-Beltway or from the royal stables of the world's rich oil oligarchs.

  •  "Prudent use of violence could be therapeutic". (2+ / 0-)

    What a fucked up line. What exactly Dick, is prudent use of violence?

  •  Cohen has HOLOCAUST psychosis (5+ / 0-)

    A few years ago I read an article written by the former editor of the New York Times, Mr. Rosenthal.
    It was a completely bizarre and unhinged insight into what I've come to call Holocaust psychosis.  

    The impact of the Holocaust on some Jews has rendered them psychotic on the issue of the "security of the State of Israel".  Mr. Rosenthal's article written in the U.S. in the 21st century sounded as though he was living in Germany in 1940.  Jews were on the cusp of being rounded up in the U.S. and an corresponding vigilance was required.  It was, to say the least, bizarre.

    I think Mr. Cohen is equally stricken with this psychosis. For him, for Paul Wolfowitz, for Douglas Feith and Richard Perle, there is no limit to the amount of American blood or American treasury that should be spent to destroy any threat to Israel --no matter how remote and how improbable that threat.
    And, no matter what the repercussions are to the United States.  Where do Mr. Cohen's loyalties lie?
    I think he answers that in his own writing.

    The neo-con inspired holocaust against the Iraqi people is of no consequence to Mr. Cohen.  Genocide against Arabs is good.  Because it's against Arabs and it protects Israel, apparently.  But, the psychosis prevents a person from thinking straight.
    Does Mr. Cohen REALLY believe that Israel is safer now than it was before the demise of Saddam?  I wonder.  Sometimes the over-reaching of those who have lost the capacity to see things clearly winds up hurting their cause even more... sometimes irreparably.  I much prefer those in the Israeli government and in the Jewish community in the U.S. who realize that if you treat people like animals... they'll act like animals against you.

    Dan in Baltimore

     

  •  A war because peaceniks are irritating. Sure. (3+ / 0-)

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    But not surprising.  Most of the politics in this country over the last few years have been based on antipathy of Americans towards Americans.  

    For years, the war and 9/11 and tax cuts haven't just been used to divide us, but used to spite objectors for the emotional edification of conservatives.  They love it when we gay lib east coast san franciso college educated granola eaters and latte drinkers squeal.

    At this point, for example, the republican true believers would rather drain our nation's blood and wealth into Iraq for another eight years rather than admit that democrats, liberals or Michael Moore had or have a smidgen of a point.  

    "For a man who will turn 72 this month, he's a surprisingly immature politician--erratic, impulsive and subject to peer pressure"-Newsweek.

    by Inland on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 04:39:08 AM PDT

  •  Why we opposed the Iraq War and Cohen did not... (3+ / 0-)

    Many of us opposed the war because we felt the astronomical cost of the invasion could be better put to use doing things like create clean sanitation for countries in the third world. If we put the same money to use for humanitarian purposes, $8 billion dollars a month, think how many more lives we likely could have saved than would have perished under the Hussein regime? We didn't know the war would cost as much as it has but we knew it would be on the scale of hundreds of billions of dollars. Had Cohen taken the opposition at all seriously, he might have seen this as a front and center view. The opposition is still not being taken seriously, either by Cohen or even by many in the Democratic Party. We don't believe in this war, never did, don't want to be paying for it; we think our money could be better invested elsewhere. We are asking for immediate withdrawal even if that means admitting flat out defeat.

    Yet, the Washington Post gave well over twenty editorials favoring the Iraq invasion. How does this come about? This is how Cohen reacted to Stephen Colbert's lampooning of the president at the Gridiron dinner. The Washington Post gossip column grumbled that Colbert, quote, "ignored the cardinal rule of Washington humor - make fun of yourself, not the other guy." Columnist Richard Cohen said Colbert was more than rude, he was a bully -- Oh, so Colbert was a bully and not the president who authorized torture and illegal wiretapping, said, "If you're not with us, you're against us" and who claimed repeatedly that if Democrats win, the terrorists will win? What respect has President Bush shown for the opposition, either real enemies or imaginary foes?

    Yet the singular bravado of the president's use of the bully pulpit appealed more to Cohen's sense of ethical propriety than the agitation of a multifarious group of protesters, many of whom are considerably reasoned and compassionate. Cohen sees his job as taking the president of the United States seriously and for the most part ignoring those who are not part of the elite. For a similar reason, United States Senators gave president permission to invade, even buying his (Colin Powell's) ridiculous argument that this would make it more likely for the United Nations to support a resolution authorizing invasion of Iraq if first the United States Senate gave the president permission to invade unilaterally. Shouldn't it have been the other way around? The United States Senate should have given permission only after securing a United Nations resolution in favor of invading Iraq.

    Speaking of the Gridiron Club's Annual Correspondents' Dinner, Bob Garfield has a good rebuttal to this tendency on the part of the media to reinforce power rather than consistently expose the truth behind power. But the question shouldn't be, why was Stephen Colbert so rude. The question should be why is the press gathering to toast a sitting politician in the first place, socializing with the government officials they're supposed to be covering. How can you sit there in your formal wear over boeuf and cabernet and maintain an arms-length distance from the person less than an arm's length away from you? The problem with the White House Correspondents' Dinner on Saturday was not the master of ceremonies, it was the ceremony itself. Democracy requires a vigilant press. It doesn't much need the Friars Club.

    More than anything, it is the media that sets the framework for debate in this country. The MSM has enabled president Bush to pursue a disastrous foreign policy course and the media establishment - including Richard Cohen - continues to refuse to own responsibility for its errors. No wonder the Washington Post endorsed Leiberman both before and after he lost the Democratic nomination to Lamont.

  •  I so want to recommend this diary (0+ / 0-)

    but time has run out.

    Great Diary, Califlander!

    Obama, don't take my advice. I'm just an anonymous blogger on the 'nets.

    by Bronxist on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 06:40:20 AM PDT

  •  Brilliant, Califlander (0+ / 0-)

    Thank you, thank you, and thans to the blogger who rescused this diary.  It huirts to even read this asshole.  When I think of the dead, and the misery, it makes me want to scream.  Liberal hawks = what I call Big Dickism, and I'm sorry to insult the male member, but it's a way of justifying might makes right, of a love of power for power's sake, of a kinf of blind machismo that slits the rest of us open from navel to throat for--what? a swagger, a bullying posture.  It's just sickening.

    And once again, Richard, if you see a country as posing a potential threat to Isreal--and mind you, even only a potential threat--why does that mean American arms and American lives need to be used up in an invasion.

    Are we really one country here?

    If you thought the cause was right, you should have put your own ass in uniform.  I hate these desk warriors.  I hate them.

  •  Killing and Murder can be very good things (0+ / 0-)

    The fact that these idiots tainted that really pisses me off.

    I am not a stand in the corner and sing songs sort of person, while I believe in burying the hatchet, I believe that at times the burying site should be someones forehead.

    To believe otherwise is foolish.  Who here supported Clinton (or now Clark, as I do) when he bombed and attacked Serbia?  Who here believes stopping the Germans was good?  Who wishes we had put troops on the ground in Rwanda?  Who would like us to stop the genocide in Darfur?

    Killing and murder are actions, what makes them good or bad is the motivation.  We invaded Iraq for good reasons but with a bad plan.  I opposed the war (please reread that before you go troll rating or flaming me) simply because I did not believe they had a serious plan to deal with the issues that are now so plain to see even Fox viewers get it.

    Want to watch Republican economic theories in action? Look at Iraq.

    by Michaelpb on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 08:19:54 AM PDT

    •  no, killing and murder are not good things.. (0+ / 0-)

      and nearly very "good thing" claimed by killing and murder and war have also been achieved by other (non-violent) means - without the pain, the bloodshed, the FUTURE PROBLEMS THAT WAR CREATES!!

      Rwanda, for example, could have been stopped just by putting boots on the ground.  I would have sent them armed, but I doubt, if they had done it right, that any bullets would have been used at all.

      (¯`*._(¯`*._(-IMPEACH-)_.*´¯)_.*´¯)

      by dancewater on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 10:06:26 AM PDT

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      •  Give me an example (0+ / 0-)

        Of where nice people holding hands won without violence.  Don't mention India because there were decades of bloodshed prior to and even durning Ghandi's time.

        Want to watch Republican economic theories in action? Look at Iraq.

        by Michaelpb on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 04:54:42 PM PDT

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    •  No, they're never good things (0+ / 0-)

      But sometimes they're the least bad thing.  Usually they're the last least bad thing left when other even less bad things were botched, not tried, or occasionally tried and failed.

      How many millions of people would be alive today if we'd simply marched 100K men over to France and stationed them on the border with Germany?  Or begun bombing a few German munitions plants to make our point clear?  Of if Europe had responded when Hitler invaded Poland or Czechoslovakia?  Our entering the war was probably less bad than the alternative of Hitler ruling Europe and slaughtering Jews, and the Japanese emperor ruling Asia, but a lot more bad than the aforementioned alternatives.

      That's what's really gravelling about Dick, aside from his cowardly instincts to make others fight.  He really, truly thinks that war is just as much a volunteer execise as digging latrines or administering vaccinations.  It's not.  It's a nasty cold calculation about a country's interests, humanitarian interests, and how to do the least bad thing that hangs on to the most interests.  But you can't claim that shooting 20 people in a post office just because you wanted to help them avoid the drudgery of the post office.

  •  The only thing you can say about Cohen (1+ / 0-)

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    is that next to Krauthammer, he seems relatively sane. I've never understood why the WAPO periodically holds polls to revamp its comic strips yet stays with the same batch of neo-con, beltway, pretentious, self-serving so called op-ed columnists. The only thing I look at on either page is the Tom Toles cartoon and the ocassional LTE of some interest and sanity that slips through.

    If I remember correctly, wasn't Cohen boning Jennings wife at one point. That is an indication of character....

    I submit we are engaged in a civil war between those who support the Constitution and those who would destroy it.

    by victor lazlo on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 09:35:58 AM PDT

  •  I am in the non-violent camp... (0+ / 0-)

    and never feel violence is justified....

    but when I read stuff like: "I thought the prudent use of violence could be therapeutic"

    I just wish to God that something would get him to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

    (¯`*._(¯`*._(-IMPEACH-)_.*´¯)_.*´¯)

    by dancewater on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 10:02:46 AM PDT

  •  sir richard the twice-wrong (0+ / 0-)

    if cohen represents liberalism, i'd rather have the blues...

    Bush Minor's 4,100 dead got us $4 gas. That's the Lying, Spying, Torture, Indifference and Incompetence Administration that McCain wants to prolong.

    by slangist on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 10:24:43 AM PDT

  •  Is Cohen even human? (0+ / 0-)

    What a sick fuck.

    "Somewhere. Someone's god is laughing." - Three Days Grace

    by Intercaust on Thu Nov 23, 2006 at 07:41:47 AM PDT

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