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Just look at this picture.

Are these guys too youthful looking?  Do they have too much charisma? Are their speaking skills too good?

Could they beat McCain?  Wouldn't the contrast be striking?

I have a very hard time thinking Hillary (unless she picks the most strategically shrewd VP ever) could beat McCain in the general.  I am tired of writing off 49% of the electoral votes and fighting over 4% of the voters.

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Originally posted to EdwardsRaysOfSunshine on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 12:35 PM PST.


Would Edwards/Obama beat McCain?

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  •  I'm waiting for the comment (5+ / 0-)
  •  I think... (1+ / 0-)
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    Blue South

    We need a governor at the top of the ticket.  If we decide that either of these fine gents will be in the second spot, we'll need someone in the top spot that will bring regional diversity to the ticket.

    For either, any of the Western governors would be great:


    For Obama, additionally add Kaine
    For Edwards, additionally add Sebelius

    -9.50;-6.62. But it don't mean nuttin if you don't put your money where your mouth is

    by ultrageek on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 12:36:33 PM PST

  •  Their biggest... (8+ / 0-)

    problem is that between them, they would have less than 10 years of experience in the federal government.  That's going to be a tough sell against someone like a McCain, who can run as "a lifetime of service."  

    Personally, I like both of them, but I think either would need to be paired with an "old hand" type as the other half of the ticket in order to be a solid pairing.

  •  As requested (7+ / 0-)

    This Clarkie will point out the obvious -

    Too lacking in "keep us safe" chops.

    What will be the driving issue in 2008? Not 1 00% clear but national security is my bet.

    Clark won't win the nomination imo. Even though I would support him if he ran. But that does not change the fact that his type of chops will be necessary.

    Frankly, I think it is clear that neither Edwards nor Obama will choose the other as a running mate.

    Both would more likely look to someone like Clark.

    •  clark would be eligible for sec of defense (4+ / 0-)
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      bobinson, Urizen, kd texan, Ninepatch

      in any administration, now that his decade out of service has passed, no?

      my feeling is that he'd be a better administrator than he is a campaigner. mandatory cabinet pick IMO.

      surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

      by wu ming on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 12:41:13 PM PST

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    •  One More Time (9+ / 0-)

      This current War on Terror is really very small potatoes compared to the Cold War (some guy in a cave and 19 nuts with box=cutters is nothing compared to the military power that was the Soviet Union and its allies), and we voted for lots of guys will little or no high level military experience (and that was after WWII when most folks had military experience).

      While I'd agree that my strategy would be Edwards-Webb (because he seems to have everything that Clark has but he also stresses Two Americas themes and has actually been elected to something), I can understand the idea of Edwards-Obama as a new "Morning in America" ticket.

      "We need to ask America to adopt a new kind of patriotism, a patriotism about something more than just war." -- John Edwards

      by philgoblue on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 12:43:37 PM PST

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    •  makes a lot of logical sense... (1+ / 0-)
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      Sargent Pepper

      kind of depends on the countries mood and terrorism in 08... as to how much foreign policy chops will count.

      will iraq be such a disaster that isolationism will be back in vogue.

    •  I don't think (3+ / 0-)
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      Urizen, Sam I Am, libertyisliberal

      the big issue will be national security.  I think it will be what kind of country do we live in.  Big themes.

      Clark knows that generals often fight the last war.
      The 2002, 2004, and 2006 elections were dominated by national security issues.  People are living in Bush's fear state/war on terror.  The theme loses effectiveness after being run over and over.  During the Cold War, people got used to it and dealt with other issues.

      I could be wrong, but if I'm correct, either Obama or Edwards can be successful w/o big national security credentials.  

      Gore seems to have both domestic and national security credentials.  

      We will see what happens.

    •  wait a second. (0+ / 0-)

      I refuse to accept that your endorsement, alone, can't deliver the nomination to whoever you choose. :)

    •  Like them both, but maybe not on the same ticket (0+ / 0-)

      They both lack foreign policy and national security experience. Actually, they lack governing experience in general, though I would trust their judgment on most issues.  

      We will need at least one no-holds-barred fighter like Clark or Webb on the ticket.  

  •  Nah (6+ / 0-)

    Can't have the President and the VP both better looking than me.

  •  i think obama would be edwards' best veep pick (1+ / 0-)
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    CAL11 voter

    and while i'm leaning towards gore at this point, i agree that the two of them would be a good team, rhetoricallly as well as optically.

    surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

    by wu ming on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 12:38:35 PM PST

  •  Webb/Edwards or Edwards/Webb (2+ / 0-)
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    philgoblue, thecoolmacdude
  •  Obama Webb is the ticket (0+ / 0-)

    Obama or Edwards...they both hit the same button but Ombama can speak to the American public, Edwards was too DC...he's lost Demo primary, lost VP debate to Cheney and lost presidential...a lot of baggage...a lot of exposure.

    Webb's the VP...TR vote "guts, guns and America"...some Reagan Demo's also.

    •  webb (0+ / 0-)

      i've heard only one valid criticism of webb
      and that is
      "He doesn't know how to smile and look like an idiot"

      John Edwards is a good example--I know he's one of the top trial lawyers in US history (at least of the last 75 years), but when he smiles, I feel like he could easily be my neighbor, or my happy-go-lucky co-worker.

      Helps to have a little more sunshine on the ticket--not as much as Edwards/Obama, but more than any ticket with Webb.

    •  pundits (3+ / 0-)
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      philgoblue, Urizen, Sargent Pepper

      said edwards  beat cheney because of all the lies cheney told.

      however, you are right that edwards is not the slash and burn type that he could be... he's more of a charmer from the courtroom.

      Kerry kicked Bush's rear in all 3 debates but it didn't matter.

      We need to stop thinking as brainiac liberals and start thinking as independents who decide elections.

      economic populism is the way to go and edwards has been promoting that.

       ala webb, tester, sherrod brown, schweitzer etc..

      •  amen (0+ / 0-)

        nothing wrong with brains, but the aloofness that goes with them is a big loser for us (Gore Kerry dukakis etc.).  I love the webb, tester, style.  Not stupid like the shrub, but forceful and present, you know they'll stand up.  Clark is like this too.  Edwards, though I love his values, always seems a bit light to me.  Obama, I don't know about yet.  I don't know enough about the governors except Richardson who I don't think has the stuff (maybe VP).

        •  Edwards & Obama are lawyers. (2+ / 0-)
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          philgoblue, MeanBoneII

          Thus, it's no accident they know how to appeal to ordinary people. Who are juries? Ordinary people, usually picked from lists of voters.

          When November 2008 comes around, I want someone at the top of the ticket with a track record of persuading ordinary people. Edwards and Obama fit the bill. In particularly Edwards -- not just a trial lawyer, but a spectacularly successful trial lawyer.

          -4.25, -4.87 "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." -- Mark Twain

          by HeyMikey on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 02:54:44 PM PST

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  •  Agree completely on contrast issue (4+ / 0-)
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    jxg, Pithy Cherub, Sam I Am, Seeds

    McCain is old school as is Hillary. Still think Obama is why more charismatic than Edwards.

    If Obama appeared anywhere right'd get a crowd....Edwards would have use PR folks to create one.

  •  Gore/Clark (4+ / 0-)
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    Pithy Cherub, bobinson, leonard145b, TomP

    A respected, seasoned statesman with WH experience, and a military man of the highest order.

    Edwards/Obama would be fine at some point, but I believe we need to send in big guns to begin wrestling with the issues and opponents needed to get our country back.  These two have the cajones to just step up and grab the Constitution and Bill of Rights back for all Americans.  They also have the big brass ones needed to deal with Iraq and restore confidence in the US in the eyes of the rest of the world.

    Senator-elect Sherrod Brown of Ohio ~~ Governor-elect Ted Strickland of Ohio

    by Ninepatch on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 12:43:28 PM PST

    •  Whats with the clark mania? (0+ / 0-)

      Everyone here is talking about clark, but what has he been doing sionce 04.  He has no political experince, and lacks the charisma, and appeal of edwards and barrack.  McCain vs Wes would be a disaster, we would die.  What does clark have to offer, yeah he has the milotary thing, but wheres his visions, what makes him able to lead better?

      •  Clarks Only Problem is Name Recognition (0+ / 0-)

        and political power base, and for that reason he's not a likely bet to win the nomination. but, he's a smart seasoned foreign and military policy hand who was out in front of all the retired generals in questioning the Bush admin.

        he's perfect for a VP slot, especially for someone like Obama who needs an experienced counter weight.

        like I say below, give me a debate of Obama vs McCain and Clark vs Rudy, and I like our chances.

      •  There have been at least two whole diaries (0+ / 0-)

        just this past week with tons of comments listing everything Clark has done this past two years. The Clarkies were challenged to list what he stands for on the issues and they came through. Clark has a 100 year plan. Do any of the other candidates think that far in advance??  I keep hearing over and over about Edward's compelling story and how he cares for poor people. Well, where does he stand on the issues? What is his plan for the middle east? Clark has a vey compelling story too but he doesn't use it as a campaign tool over and over. Clarks grandfather, who helped raise him was also a millworker! So Clark is the grandson of a mill worker. Clark had to fix his own car when he was a Colonel because he didn't have enough money to get it done by a mechanic. He lived in a trailer at one time...... I can go on.....

        •  winning presidential elections (0+ / 0-)

          is not about lists.. (but I'm sure everyone running for 08 has them)
          including edwards.

          If people voted for presidents based on resumes and lists John Kerry and Al Gore would both have been presidents.

          and an Actor from California who mismanaged the state would never have gotten two terms

      •  What has Clark done? Are you serious... (0+ / 0-)

        Clark has tons of charisma or appeal?  He lectured a class of about 300 UCLA students last week and after the class was over, there was a lot of buzz.  There is a lot of electricity in the air when Clark speaks.  No Charisma, that's a Kerry thing.  Remeber his victory speech after Iowa?  

        Not to mention that he work hard to for dems than any other non-candidate in '06!

        Clark is a born leader!  Refer to the diaries about him in the past week.  Go to his web-site,  View the videos on YouTube.

    •  I really wish we could put Gore to rest (1+ / 0-)
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      He only seems like a populist to coastal urbanites.  Southerners don't think he's southern (he lost Tennessee and the rest of the south).  Sec of Interior, absolutely, but he's not a great candidate (he already lost once, to a moron).

  •  edwards-obama (3+ / 0-)
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    MeanBoneII, Ninepatch, leonard145b

    would also make it more likely that we actually hear about katrina during the campaign. a different sort of southern strategy, perhaps.

    surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

    by wu ming on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 12:44:16 PM PST

  •  I like Edwards, but I like Obama more (1+ / 0-)
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    Sam I Am

    I think Obama has to be our next nominee.  Edwards for all of his many strengths is associated with our last Presidential campaign.  I think we need a sharp break from the past so that the party can reboot its image in the eyes of the American people.

    Obama's a "sea change" figure.  That's what we need right now.  We need to toss aside the tired political narrative of the last few decades.  I don't see Edwards doing that for people in both red and blue states the way I see Obama doing it.  

    •  I don't see it (2+ / 0-)

      What has he stood up for? What does he want to do about the Incredible Shrinking Middle Class? What's his plan for better education and better jobs? Has he mobilized the Illinois grassroots? I see him talking a lot, mostly criticizing other Democrats for being too liberal or too secular, but not standing up for anything.

      Meh. He doesn't move me. He and Hilary would make the perfect pair. I see Webb as the sea change figure, but I'll wait and see if he actually does anything besides talk.

      A word after a word after a word is power. -- Margaret Atwood

      by tmo on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 12:58:57 PM PST

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      •  You aren't looking then... (0+ / 0-)

        What has he stood up for?  

        Start with the fact that he's been against the war since day one. He also voted against flag burning when other Dems crumbled.  He even stood up to this community when some were calling for Russ Feingold's head after the Roberts vote (Obama voted against Roberts).  The "what has he stood up for" meme that dogs Obama here on DKos is a tired cliche with no basis.

        As for "criticizing other Dems" - that's largely another hoary DKos invention.  What Obama has done is acknowledged the objections that moderate voters have had to the Democratic party in the past by being critical of some of the party's past attitudes and actions.  He hasn't torn down any active Dem, he has given the entire party a way of rebranding simply by jumping on the wagon.

        Luckily for this country the DKos attitude about Obama is not prevalent.  But to the extent that people like you choose to tear him down, you are working against a guy who you will likely later come to regard much differently.

        A for the other policy questions you ask - he isn't even running a campaign yet.      

      •  Agree (1+ / 0-)
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        with everything you say.  I'm very excited about Webb so far.

        Edwards seems to have some appeal, although he is my distant third choice behind Clark and Gore.

        Obama is a total zero to me.  I liked his speech at the 2004 convention as much as anyone, but he's a zilch on substance, and as much of a panderer (I could just retch every time he starts talking about religion -- he starts slipping into a chiding tone that reminds me in a vomitous way of Joe Lieberman) as Hillary Clinton.  No thanks.

        I support Wes Clark 2008. ------------------------- Oh yeah, and FUCK Joe Lieberman.

        by asskicking annie on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:23:37 PM PST

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  •  the biggest flaw (0+ / 0-)

    is their combined zero executive experience. And does anyone else have the feeling that Hillary will become outright nasty in the primary should she run? I don't see both Obama and Edwards surviving a battle royale that includes her, Clark and possibly Kerry.

    Then there's that "war" thing. I think if this was peacetime, this ticket could win by a huge margin. But the Dubya Era will end with so much political garbage to clean up, the happy promises these guys make can't happen if you want a good resolution to Iraq (and Afghanistan, and Iran...)

    Other then that, of course they could beat McCain.  

    Politics is the deliberation of one's moral enterprise.

    by Omen on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 12:53:23 PM PST

  •  moot point choosing "tickets" (0+ / 0-)

    because the VP candidate is chosen by the Pres candidate.

    Edwards might not choose Obama

    Clark might not choose Edwards etc

    I find it interesting that the "mainstream" media never mention Clark. They slobber all over themselves with the Hillary nonsense, throw in some Obama nonsense.

    It is highly doubtful that America is ready to elect either a woman or a black President. New York and california, sure, but that is NOT where the "battle" is.

    •  America is ready (0+ / 0-)

      A guy like Obama is precisely what we need to transform the "battle".

      The GOP domination has always been about convincing the moderate middle that the Republican Party shares theri values more than the Democrats.  But a guy like Obama will bring in a large number of religious voters, and the "Oprah" vote alone will dwarf the racist idiot vote.  You can also count on turnout from the African American community in unprecedented numbers.

      Obama's our next President.  It amazes me that more people can't see it.

  •  Edwards/Obama (2+ / 0-)
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    Pithy Cherub, Urizen

    Both suffer from the same problem, IMO.  You have basically two young, good-looking articulate guys trying to work the vision thing, but seem to be woefully short on specific ideas or tough stands.  I get the same feeling from both of them: not enough substance.  

    That's just my own personal reaction, so take it with a grain of salt.  I have no idea if they will connect with the voters.

    Most Profound Man in Iraq: farmer in a remote area who, when asked by Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area, replied "Yes, you."

    by johnny rotten on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 12:57:19 PM PST

    •  This is totallty true (0+ / 0-)

      The are Kennedyesque but lack his gravitas, or policy initiatives, they need a plan.  both obama and edwards lack experience

      •  Enough with the rarely understood (1+ / 0-)
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        Latin words.

        Kerry had more gravitas than you can shake a stick at and look where it got him.  Clinton talked underwear, played the sax, had sex with just about anything, in other words a complete lack of gravitas, and look where it got him!

        "We need to ask America to adopt a new kind of patriotism, a patriotism about something more than just war." -- John Edwards

        by philgoblue on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:09:28 PM PST

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      •  Stop repeating the "experience" meme... (0+ / 0-)

        Both Obama have as much experience as many men who held the office of President.  Lincoln and Reagan spring immediately to mind.

        If we keep saying it, the public will believe it.  One of these men may actually be the nominee.   Let's not defeat ourselves before we start.

        •  If he thinks they (0+ / 0-)

          don't have enough experience, why shouldn't he say it?  I don't think it's very wise to attempt to stifle legitimate debate about the merits of different candidates.

          Most Profound Man in Iraq: farmer in a remote area who, when asked by Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area, replied "Yes, you."

          by johnny rotten on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:21:16 PM PST

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          •  Who is stifling debate? (0+ / 0-)

            I am simply pointing out how counterproductive that kind of talk is.  It also happens to be wrong.

            •  Open debate on candidates (1+ / 0-)
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              is never counterproductive.  It's a legitimate criticism and I don't think anyone should tell him not to air it because of some perceived fear that it effect the outcome of some hypothetical future race.

              Most Profound Man in Iraq: farmer in a remote area who, when asked by Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area, replied "Yes, you."

              by johnny rotten on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:29:21 PM PST

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              •  It is counterproductive when it isn't true (0+ / 0-)

                Obama's experience is equal to that of several past U.S. Presidents, as well as the current occupant (admittedly not a selling point).  It is not a legitimate criticism.  

                •  Obviuosly (0+ / 0-)

                  many people disagree with you about whether or not it's true.  Those doubts are not going away just because you say they are not true.  You don't get to decide whether Obama or Edwards has enough experience for everyone's liking.

                  Most Profound Man in Iraq: farmer in a remote area who, when asked by Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area, replied "Yes, you."

                  by johnny rotten on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:49:28 PM PST

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        •  Lincoln was more than a century ago (0+ / 0-)

          and Reagan was a two-term governor who had been on the national stage for a couple of decades.  

    •  Sadly, I agree (1+ / 0-)
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      MO Blue

      Maybe during the next year+ Obama will dig in on something and show some toughness.  

    •  Read Up (1+ / 0-)
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      Edwards was teh only 2004 candiate to put out a relatively detailed booklet: "Real Solutions for America."

      And even with that, look for him to get more specific this time around.  See Elizabeth's comment when she blogged on BlueNC this morning:

      Two Americas would be the underpinning of a campaign if John decides to run, but the campaign would not simply be a reprise of 2004 -- we know the problem, John identified it and with Katrina, the nation was hit in the face with the truth of it. Now it is time to move forward from that with actual ideas and a commitment to end poverty, to end the diffences in health care, education, to end the imbalances in the tax system, to promote our rural communities with the same vigor we once gave (and need to give again) to our urban communities.


      "We need to ask America to adopt a new kind of patriotism, a patriotism about something more than just war." -- John Edwards

      by philgoblue on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:11:39 PM PST

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    •  I'm looking forward to.... (0+ / 0-)

      seeing Edwards plan on universal health care. He's supposed to unveil his plan soon. UHC is really important to me.

  •  Clark and whoever he would choose. (1+ / 0-)
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    Before putting the cart before the horse it might be best to see the primary debates and activity actually play out.  No candidate's image as it is today will be intact by Iowa and New Hampshire.  2008 will feature a national security component as security on the environment, economics and safety internationally and domestically.

    Obama is the great unknown and will rearrange some campaigns calculations because the demographics he will draw from potentially let the air out of other campaigns.  Veterans will make some interesting choices and Obama may not be their first choice.  Edwards neither.

    Every time history repeats itself the price goes up - Anon.

    by Pithy Cherub on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 12:57:28 PM PST

  •  Forget Edwards (3+ / 0-)
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    ParaHammer, snout, DumpDoolittle

    I really don't see him as a factor in 2008. I realize he has his fan base in the blogworld, but the Democrat field is already getting crowded, and new more compelling faces are emerging. For all of Edwards speaking polish and potential to appeal to the South, I think Obama beats him on both scores.

    And, one thing 2006 showed everyone is that 2008 will be determined by what happens in Iraq. In the few short weeks since the election, it seems that Iraq will get worse fast, and may not ever get better. All of the players involved, includeing McCain, Hillary, Rudy, Obama, Edwards and whoever else tries to get in this race, will be judged on their ability to pull the country out of the mess W's created there. That is McCain's biggest challenge, but I don't think Edwards will be able to carry the message that he's the guy to do that for the Democrats. He may be the 2008 cycle's Lieberman.

    As of this moment, my ideal situation for the democrats is for Hillary to be persuaded to abandon a run (perhaps for Senate Majority leader if Reid would agree to step aside), and for Obama to take the nomination with Wes Clark as his running mate.

    I think Obama would wipe the floor in a debate with whoever the GOPers put up including McCain. In Wes Clark, you have a man that voters (especially independent voters) would see as someone who clearly could be President in his own right. And I like his chances in a debate with Rudy, who I expect to be McCain's running mate pick.

    For the Democrats, the key is to avoid a primary blood bath with Hillary, preferably before this thing even gets started. We need to seen as serious about governing, united, and interested most in what is best for the country. Any insider blood bath will look like the players are more out for personal ambition.

    •  How is it crowded? (0+ / 0-)

      There are very few real contenders.  Dodd, Kerry, Biden, they dont count.  Potentially Bayh and richardson could be dark horses, but the race is really Hillary, Barrack, and Edwards

      •  Agreed, it's actually rapidly shrinking (1+ / 0-)
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        CAL11 voter

        I still find it hard to believe that Warner and Feingold begged off when Warner had a good chance and a really good chance at VP and Feingold really could have set the tone in the campaign.

        Right now, it could easily be Hillary, Edwards and Bayh.  They seem to be the only three who are really gearing up.

        "We need to ask America to adopt a new kind of patriotism, a patriotism about something more than just war." -- John Edwards

        by philgoblue on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:07:11 PM PST

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        •  And Barrack (1+ / 0-)
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          Hes the one who really has it, if hes in, he'll gain the momentum easy.  he has the vision, the driveand the ability.  Although he has not been in close campaigns, he will be surrounded by the best.  The chips hes acquired during the 06 camp should help out alot.    I like Bayh, but he'll have a tougher time(Money,recognition,communication).  He could be a good Vp.

          •  What about 10% (0+ / 0-)

            in his own state don't you understand?

            And I get the guy's emails, they're pathetic.

            "We need to ask America to adopt a new kind of patriotism, a patriotism about something more than just war." -- John Edwards

            by philgoblue on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:14:56 PM PST

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      •  You answered your own question (1+ / 0-)
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        Hillary, Obama, Biden, Villsack, Edwards, Kerry, Richardson, Clark, and maybe even Gore. One less than they started with last time.

        Some maybe be long shots but they still have to be whittled down one way or another. Original post is about how does Edwards stand out now among that crowd?

    •  Remember Edwards (2+ / 0-)

      Two quick pieces of evidence to refute your contention:

      1. Edwards Winning in Iowa Poll
      Iowa Poll, (May 29 to June 1, 2006). MOE: 4.9%

      Edwards: 30%
      Clinton: 26%
      Kerry: 12%
      Vilsack: 10%
      Daschle: 3%
      Feingold: 3%
      Warner: 3%
      Bayh: 2%
      Clark: 2%

      2. The 2008 Primary Calendar Favors Edwards

      Iowa:  14 January, Caucus
      Nevada:  19 January, Caucus
      New Hampshire:  22 January, Primary
      South Carolina:  29 January, Primary
      The window for other states would open 5 February.

      Edwards has his grassroots organization intact in Iowa (and had great success with Chet Culver’s gubernatorial campaign), leads the polls there now (he’s kept or expanded his 32% support from 2004), is working the state hard and lining up top grassroots activists, and is well liked by the Des Moines Register editorial board.  Vilsack's a non-factor in his home state, and may not even run if his polls don't go up.  

      So he wins Iowa and takes momentum into Nevada. Caucus is all turnout, and the Democratic party in Nevada is one organization: Culinary Union 226 of Las Vegas, Unite-Here's power base, the strongest local union in the country, 60,000 strong.  And Unite-Here are already 100% behind Edwards (that’ll be true of the Change To Win unions at least).  Union households make up 25% of the electorate in Nevada, and will be a much larger portion of the Democratic caucus vote.  Edwards has developed deep ties with union leaders and workers over the past two years; he’s been very active in "Hotel Workers Rising" movement.  Edwards is made many friends through his support of Nevada’s successful raising the minimum wage proposal.

      New Hampshire
      This might be the place where Hillary does best, but NH did follow Iowa in 2004, and may jump on the Edwards-Iowa-Nevada bandwagon.

      South Carolina
      And then there's SC, the state Edwards already convincingly won in 2004 (45% of vote)!  Edwards still has the local-boy-done-good vote (he was born in South Carolina), will compete with Clinton for African-American vote (or it will go to a fading Obama), and still will have the momentum.

      "We need to ask America to adopt a new kind of patriotism, a patriotism about something more than just war." -- John Edwards

      by philgoblue on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:03:46 PM PST

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    •  My early pick as well... (0+ / 0-)

      Obama/Clark would push Hillary off the stage. Nothing pleases me more.

      McCain's pandering to anyone who has an opinion about him makes him the easiest target to disarm. Rudy isn't going to get any traction with the 35% extreme right crowd. Those 2 running together would be better than watching old reruns of Martin/Lewis movies.

      DumpDoolittle is a statement. I am not affiliated with the blog of the same name

      by DumpDoolittle on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:12:22 PM PST

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    •  smoking crack (1+ / 0-)
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      there is hillary and than 1 or 2 anti hillaries.

      in every poll edwards and obama are the next 2 anti-hillaries...

      vilsack , richardson, bayh, biden and dodd are polling low single digits.. . the battle is for 1 or 2 slots of the anti-hillary.

      gore is not running...

  •  In just three words... (1+ / 0-)
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    Yes, yes, yes!!!!

    Okay, a few more words...

    We have to recognise that the US only elects Democrats for president if they are warm people and excellent speakers.

    This is the ticket. Others, please step down before you bruise one of these guys. ;-)

  •  Why I Think Edwards Is Weak (2+ / 0-)
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    ParaHammer, Urizen

    A man who is too willing to aim for second place and run for vice-president in a presidential nomination race is someone who is too willing to accept second place in a general election.

    I want someone who has courage and self-confidence.  I like Obama so long as he tries to sincerely win the presidential nomination and fights visciously for it.  Among all the possible contenders mentioned, I find him the most interesting so far, but I will drop him in a minute if he seems insufficiently ambitious and willing to shoot for number two.  I'm tired of competent but cautious Democrats.  I'm tired of risk-averse strategies.  I'm not sure if Obama will be a fighter when pushed, so I'd like to see someone go right after him in the primaries and test his mettle if he decides to run. Then, I'll know whether he is worth the effort.

    I might be willing to revisit the idea of Edwards for president if he returns to public office, such as governor or a return to the Senate, and shows me a bit more spirit in that time.

    I think that Clark makes for a better vice-president than president.

    Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

    by Anthony de Jesus on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:11:06 PM PST

    •  I feel the same way about Obama (0+ / 0-)

      I want to see some grit from him to go along with the charm.  Edwards doesn't project any of that.

    •  I don't buy this at all. (0+ / 0-)

      Edwards had every reason to go for second in the last go round. Anybody who would run for president with his level of experience -- last time or even this time for that matter -- has plenty of courage and self confidence.

    •  Huh? (1+ / 0-)
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      Edwards shot long and hard for the #1 spot and almost made it from 2% in the polls.

      Jeez, some people say he's too ambitious, others not ambitious enough.

      "We need to ask America to adopt a new kind of patriotism, a patriotism about something more than just war." -- John Edwards

      by philgoblue on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 02:23:18 PM PST

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  •  why doesn't Obama run for Governor of Illinois (1+ / 0-)
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    VERY FEW U.S. Senators have ever been elected President.

    Maybe we should avoid Senators?

    •  Not even a 1 term Senator (2+ / 0-)
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      johnny rotten, nicejoest

      This ticket is a 1 term senator with a "66% of one term" senator. Not a lot of experience, just a lot of media-darlingness.

      The problem with Edwards is you cant pick him to VP a ticket again, yet i doubt he should run as the number one slot because he's only a one termer. Same with Obama, but Obama COULD be a VP to someone with some kind of extensive experience.

      Real beauty is seldom appreciated by popular culture

      by Mikesco on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:36:21 PM PST

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  •  Clark must be on ticket for gravitas. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    From the shining blue city in the red swamp of Georgia.

    by VolvoDrivingLiberal on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:20:36 PM PST

  •  The Whippersnapper ticket! (0+ / 0-)

    Walking. It's the new driving.

    by Batfish on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:23:22 PM PST

  •  Edwards/Clark! n/t (0+ / 0-)

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

    by LV Pol Girl on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:41:05 PM PST

  •  Richardson/Sibelius. (0+ / 0-)

    Two governors. One Hispanic. One woman.

    Dream team.

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