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Prison rapes is one of those subject that seems to be accepted by MSM because since inmates are the victims, then it is a fair punishment for their crimes they commited that permitted them to be encarcerated in  the first place.

When i was a teenager, i used to always hear jokes about prison rapes and men being raped by other men but never really gave them any importance and often laughed along with my buddies because they felt like overdramatized comments.

In another instance,I remember my older brother always warning me about committing any crimes because i would end up being the property of another man and i would always laugh off such pathetic lines and take it as another silly homophobe joke but never really ask follow-up questions on whether prison rapes are much more then just silly jokes meant to scare young people from committing crimes.

As years went by, i befriended this girl, and she onced started telling me this story about his ex boyfriend, now dead.He was arrested at the age 18 for some non-violent acts and got incarcerated. He served his time and got released, but was a complete different person from the one that got arrested at 18 and it wasnt about age...She noticed that his self esteem had dropped and he no longer felt comfortable talking to her..then one day, he hanged himself.....She found out throught a friend of his that he was indeed raped whyle in prison and probably could no longer live with the guilt on his shoulder.

Anyway, after i heard this story, i just felt guilt of my own because of flashbacks running throught my minds of me laughing at those prison rapes jokes during my younger years...I started doing more research online about prison rapes and couldnt believe at some of the articles that i was reading.

Some of the most outrageous things ive heard about prison rapes is that staffs lets it happen or ignores it because its a way to controll the more dangerous prisoners by soften them up so they let them prey on the weaker and younger inmates.

Now, i must tell you, ive spend sleepless night thinking about those articles and i really think something needs to be done about prision rapes.

Im aware that congress had passed some kind of prison rape bill in '03 that "only" ordered the collection of data about prison rapes but anyone knows whether there will be any follow up to actually pass laws that would actually act on those prison rapes?

Anyway, i want to use this diary to provide idea on what can be done to at least reduce prison rape.

Here's some of my suggestion.
1.Stop putting non-violent/young inmates in the same cell with violent inmates.

2.Weaker or smaller status inmates should be asked whether they would like to be in a cell alone and in a shower alone..inmate shouldnt have to go eat with the general population if he's afraid that he could get sexually assaulted.

3.Prison staff should educate younger/weaker/first time offender how to avoid prison rape and sexual assault.

4.All rapist should be locked up in a small cage for a week and be fed like a dog.

Anyway, those are some suggestion and if you have better ones, post them.

One final thing...does anyone knows whether the next congress would take on this subject and pass something?

Originally posted to BlueStateLiberal on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 12:36 AM PST.


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  •  serious (12+ / 0-)

    this is serious issue..lets home we can fix this

  •  Agreed something needs to be done. (12+ / 0-)

    Not sure about the locked in a cage and fed like a dog part, but I agree with your main point and your first three suggestions of ways to reduce the problem seem good - though considering the kind of prison overcrowding in many places, somehow I don't see the "alone in a cell" thing happening.

    Unfortunately, a huge first step that needs to happen is just getting people to see that prison rape is appalling, not funny.

  •  Prison... (16+ / 0-)

    ...the one place where I expect people to be protected from violent crime.

    It's a contained enviroment with full time supervision and no privacy rights for inmates so video cameras could be deployed everywhere and run on a 24 hour schedule.

    Going to prison and being deprived of freedom is the punishment for being convicted. There is absolutely no reason that someone sent to prison can't be kept safe while in prison.

    I think the prison system is one of the most corrupt institutions in the country. Remember a few years back in California when the warden and guards of Corcoran State Prison were staging gladiator fights in the exercise yard and betting on the outcome? That is what's wrong, corrupt cretins are in charge of prisons.

    At another California State Prison there was a prisonoer with the nickname 'Booty Bandit' because of his prediliction for raping other inmates. The guy was like six foot four and three hundred pounds. He got to have his own cell....and if an inmate comitted an infraction the guards would put him in the 'Booty Bandit's' cell overnight for punishment.

    It was said that all the imates on the block could hear the screams of the of the new cell mate for hours as he was being raped. The guards thought it was hilarious.

    We need serious prison reform nationwide. The conditions in prisons and jails is horrific.

    Lifers should be housed together. Violent inmates  with set sentences should be housed together. Non-violent inmates should be housed together. There needs to be seperation of inmates based on the threat they pose to other imates.

    I wonder if non-violent offenders should be sent to prison at all. Perhaps house arrest with electronic monitoring would be better or they should be sent to remote areas to do forest work or something.

    Non-violent drug offenses (with the exception of drug kingpins) should be handled out of prison completely.

    There's nothing funny about rape or brutality of any kind anywhere.

    •  Guards who tolerate or facilitate rape (7+ / 0-)

      are rapists themselves and should be punished as such.  (Would be nice to see em bunked with "the booty bandit" but...)  You hit the nail on the head as far as classification is concerned.  That is the key to preventing prison rape.  However the simple "violent" and "nonviolent" tags aren't always indicative of prison behavior (not a criticism of your excellent post, Rex, just more data). For instance "crime of passion" murderers have the lowest rate of recividism and generally good behavior whereas a crack dealer may have been convicted of a nonviolent crime but be a member of a violent gang - or not.  The most dangerous units are sometimes called "warrior farms" and house the youngest inmates.  Single-celling just ain't gonna happen. Too many prisoners.  And teaching inmates how to avoid rape in prison is a (sorry) laughably naive concept for a lot of reasons.

      •  It was a simplistic classification. (2+ / 0-)
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        Perhaps psychologists and other experts could interview new inmates over a period of days before deciding which housing module they should be placed into.

        Those inmates who are prone to violence should probably be placed in isolation until they have had enough couseling and treatment to be allowed to be with other prisoners.

        There's no reason that prisons can't be a safe place to do time.

    •  Oh, but we have prisons for profit. (6+ / 0-)

      Wouldn't want to interfer with their ability to do business would we?  Very interesting report on jails.  US is #1 for incarcerations and even imprisons more people than Russia.  Rise in the number of people in jail has occurred over the last 20 - 30 years after being stable for 50 years.  Over half of the people in jails are for drugs and other non-violent crimes.  Yeah, but it sure made the winger politicians sound tough.  3X we catch you with a joint, and we string you up.  The media set it up.  Day after day, drugs, drugs, drugs.... Ronald Reagan got elected by beating up pot smokers and welfare babies.  

      "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein

      by dkmich on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 03:45:55 AM PST

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  •  comment I recall from an Asst. Warden (10+ / 0-)

    He was the Assistant Warden of Cedar Junction, max prison in Massachusetts.

    Told a story about a "fish" being set up for a rape, which he caught in time to segregate the new prsioner.

    One thing he said stuck: Two-thirds of the prisoners shouldn't be there. The other one third should never get out.

    People convicted of non-violent crimes should for the most part not be imprisoned. (Imagine Kenneth Lay sentenced to work 40 hours a week at a minimum-wage community service job, with 50% of the money going to pay restitition, while being required to report immediately after work to a residence for rehabilitating white collar criminals? Much more effective than SuperMax ;-)

    People convicted of violent crimes should be imprisoned separately, and any prisoner should be able to be isolated from other prisoners by request.

    If the US would stop imprisoning drug offenders that need treatment, there would be plenty of resources. (That was the warden's other point: way too many drug/alchohol offenders should never be in the system.)

  •  prison rape (13+ / 0-)

    And guess how much prison rape increased after you know who took charge of running the state of texas. This guy f*cks up everything he gets put in charge of.

    Texas was found to be the worst state in the nation for prison rape by Human Rights Watch in a 2001 report, according to the ACLU.

    Republicans: "They are more interested in protecting themselves than minors." Joe Scarborough.

    by William Domingo on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 01:11:25 AM PST

  •  definitely a huge problem (5+ / 0-)
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    Sadly nobody wants to tackle this, because "conservative" Republicans and "populist" Democrats are both gung-ho about appearing "tough on crime", and surely it'd be weak on crime to coddle criminals by positing that they shouldn't be raped, right?

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    by Delirium on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 01:38:31 AM PST

    •  Populist Democrats?? (0+ / 0-)

      If your saying that the fearful "old guard" Democrats got stampeded into supporting the drug wars and "get tough on crime" slogans and policies, I agree.  I certainly hope it isn't true for new crop that I see as populists and not DLC or old guard.  

      "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein

      by dkmich on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 03:48:12 AM PST

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    •  Add to this the $$$ (1+ / 0-)
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      that's involved in building prisons and staffing them. In most states this serves as a benighted rural development plan.  Take, for example, certain upstate counties in NY which used to have enormous unemployment rates and where, now, the largest employer is the state corrections department.  It costs about $40,000 a year to lock up a prisoner in NY.  The prison has to be kept full so that there are prison jobs creating income in rural counties.

  •  jesus christ (4+ / 0-)
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    I totally agree with separating non-violent offenders from violent inmates...It just doesnt make any sense to put an 18 year old kid in the same cell with a killer.

    Man, the story that the diaryst wrote about the "booty bandit" raping people, is scary..jesus christ...Now, i will have a hard time getting any sleep tonight.

    I also agree that we should start thinking about decriminalizing certain acts or lessen the sentence...Most likely, not put those non-violent criminal in the box with hard core criminals.

    People that commits small scale fraud like fake id etc etc, should not be thrown in jail along with felons.

    The best way i thought, could lessen prison rape is, letting "only" the non-violent offenders to choose on whether they would like to be in a cell alone and shower and eat etc etc....You would be stupid to not ask to be segregated from the prison population if you're of small built

  •   Prisons are not (6+ / 0-)

    a solution.  They are the problem. America has a real problem with sharing wealth and get disgusted with the poor who do what it takes to feel no pain.  The old argument that there would be no drug dealers if drugs were legal makes more sense than imprisoning people in more painful circumstances than the ones they find themselves already.

    The people who make these laws should be made to spend a couple of weeks in an American Ghetto - let's say the Black Belt of Chicago - where access to any of societies benefits are literally walled off; maybe not by fences, but by the laws on the books.  I'm sure 90% of them would be out on the street trying to get their next crack fix or some half-strength heroin just to make it till the end of the week.

    Out of sight - out of mind. If someone from the ghetto tries to make it out, they are put into an enforced ghetto.  

    Sad to say, but even the rich people have placed themselves into rich folks' ghettos with gated communities, complete with guard houses and video cameras.  Forget letting all people live together and learn from each other - let's just build more walls.  Hey, I've got an idea!  Let's build a wall between one country and another country, that will make everyone happy!

    •  I agree on that (0+ / 0-)
      A minor felony record like being caught with a few drugs can ruin any of your hopes of having a good professional career and hinder your ability of just getting any job.  Those "collateral consequences" are the biggest reason a lot of people go straight back to prison...

      Unless, of course, you're Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels (who got caught with weed at Princeton and has been able to get through life by truthfully disclosing it...wish everyone else could do this.)

      I agree with locking violent criminals together.  I remember the prison rape scene in American History X  and it still makes me cringe, even though Derek was a scumbag himself.  And without getting into specifics, I know someone who killed his fraternity brother and being abused in prison is not supposed to be the point; it's to serve his several years (now that's short, though) and rightly never have a real professional career on release.

      Republicans' Congressional Elections 2006: Where your best shot isn't enough.

      by BlueEngineerInOhio on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 08:20:26 AM PST

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  •  i'm suspicious (0+ / 0-)

    that this problem may not be as big as everyone says it is.

    i can't help noticing that the people who talk about it the most are white supremacist groups like 'stormfront' who wave the prison rape problem -- specifically when blacks are the perpetrators and whites are the victims -- like a bloody shirt to justify the idea that whites are somehow oppressed by blacks instead of the other way around.

    yes, it obviously happens much more than it should -- even once is too much! -- and it's clear that there are institutional disincentives to reporting prison rape.

    apart from joanne mariner and human rights watch, i don't know a single institution promoting this issue that isn't somehow associated with the right.  (except 'stop prison rape', but that's their whole reason for existence.)  

    the forces who promoted the 'prison rape elimination act' were basically christian religious organizations and republicans.

    something has always seemed a little suspicious about this whole movement.

    •  Amnesty International, Senator Kennedy and others (0+ / 0-)

      championing "human rights", or simply on the political left, have kept prison reform issues high on their to-do lists for some time, and were also involved in supporting legislative movements to hopefully combat the prison rape problem.

      So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way.

      by wader on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 02:40:54 AM PST

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    •  Doesn't this imply (3+ / 0-)
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      we should be able to build a broad coalition to address the problem?  If there are people on both the left and right who feel strongly about it.

      I think it's sickening when people joke about this; it really makes me mad.

      I think the degree of the problem differs greatly in different institutions.  I just read "New Jack: Guarding Sing Sing" by Ted Conover and he says (based on his experience at that one prison) that the biggest misrepresentation in pop culture about prison is representing rape as common, but not showing the consensual gay sex which is going on all the time (and "Oz" aside, seems to be pretty much missing from pop culture prison).  But to judge from the book, Sing Sing has a pretty professional bunch of guards.  If guards tolerate or encourage rape, obviously it is likely happen a lot.

      Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils. ~Louis Hector Berlioz

      by Turquine on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 03:25:14 AM PST

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      •  It is not a joking matter (0+ / 0-)

        Setting aside the question of how often it happens and who turns a blind eye, it is not a joking matter.  When people make light of it, or suggest that any given criminal should expect this as part of their "punishment" then they are giving permission for it to happen and to be covered up and tolerated.

        This is wrong.

        There is one very important thing everyone here can do and that is to speak up when you hear those jokes.  In particular, I try and refute anybody on DK who uses that "joke" in a comment.  Reply that it is no joke; if enough people do that, it will be less common.

        Prison is enough of a punishment without condoning physical and sexual assaults.

    •  you only need one (1+ / 0-)
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      for it to be a serious issue.  one case of institutionalized rape where the guards look the other way.  they're all over the place, and it's also still accepted as part of our culture.

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      by tunesmith on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 03:28:05 AM PST

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    •  No. It's an old issue. "Fortune and Men's Eyes", (0+ / 0-)

      ... an off-Broadway play in 1967 and a movie in 1971, dealt with it. Interest in the play led to the founding of the Fortune Society which has been working for the interests of prisoners and ex-prisoners and lobbying for prison reform since that time.

      The young, unjustly incarcerated prisoner in Al Pacino's 1979 movie And Justice For All is subjected to repeated rape, leading him to run amok.

      Not a right-wing white supremacist thing at all.

    •  A black-on-white problem? (0+ / 0-)
      Obviously they must not have watched American History X (admittedly fiction, but I'm sure that stuff has happened.)  "You wanna be a [n-word,] sweet boy?  Well, we gonna treat you like one!"

      Republicans' Congressional Elections 2006: Where your best shot isn't enough.

      by BlueEngineerInOhio on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 08:18:58 AM PST

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  •  How about instead holding the staff (1+ / 0-)
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    criminally culpable in the assaults of their wards?

    Because that is what a prisoner IS a ward of the State, they have no means to defend themselves (in theory), are surrounded by armed guards who should be able to prevent this(in theory).  If the warden and staff who have a rape occur on their watch could sit the dock and end up in gen pop awaiting the same tender treatment or worse; you would see things begin to change.

    The other way to stop it quickly is gene screen each inmate.  If you get raped you are going to end up in infirmary likely as not.  When the rape kit is taken you check the DNA.

    Then you shoot the offender out in the yard and let the other inmates know WHY you did it.  Or in the alternative for those of my liberal brothers and sisters that are not as much as a vengeful bastard as I am...

    They come out of prison with a sexual predator rap and must register as one including orientation.  Now considering how many of these manly men self identify as straight and the level of machismo associated with it there is going to be a wee bit of shame here.

    But trust me the ones doing the worst of it are the lifers and for them you have no better recourse then the bullet to the back of the head.  More time isn't going to phase them.

    •  prison rape (0+ / 0-)

      I agree with making them register as sex predator when/if they get out....The thing ive learned about the rapist is, they dont consider themselves gay because being gay is like in insult to them and its just a macho thing for them and the only gay person is the person being raped, which is ridiculous.

      Ive also heard about people that have to rape just so that they dont get rape themselve..its a way to prove to other to back off because once you get raped once, you are considered a mark person etc, life in jail is not fun..if there's one reason not to get locked up, its prison rape.

  •  Amendment VIII (2+ / 0-)
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    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

  •  Soft on crime liberal pussy... (1+ / 0-)
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    Is what you'll be labeled by the right wing echo chamber and mainstream media.

    Then they'll bitch about how you want to raise their taxes and coddle criminals.


    I agree with everything you say in principle; and the fact that these responses are virtually guaranteed from the mainstream in our (err... your--I moved overseas) society is proof that it simply is not civilized.  

    •  Precisely (0+ / 0-)

      And as rape-as-punishment is at least tacitly supported by a quite sizeable segment of the populace (if people will laugh at prison rape jokes, and they will, they're not particularly inclined to "solve" the issue), and certainly supported almost overtly by most prison guards, this is an enormously difficult problem to solve.

  •  Being Raped (3+ / 0-)
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    Is widely considered to be part of the punishment of "going to prison" by society at large.  This all has to do with our totally psychotic social views about crime, punishment, sexuality, masculinity, etc., etc.  I don't know how you will solve this problem without first making major reforms in our societal "values."

    I bet you $5 that many, if not most, right-wing men view "being raped in prison" as a just consequence for seriously violating the law.

    •  One Reason (1+ / 0-)
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      One reason that I will never be a Daily Kos front page writer is that I read what Glenn Reynolds, Little Green Footballs and the like are writing on the Internet, and I come up with stuff like this:

      What thrills them most are imagines of men abusing men, men killing men, abusing men themselves, being abused, sexual humiliation of men, sexual humiliation by men ... etc., etc.

      These folks -- right-wing bloggers -- are unwittingly creating a whole new sexual literature of terrified, shaking, sexually-ambiguous men hunting the political spectrum for "real, muscular leadership," cheering abuses at Guantanamo, shuddering with frissons over the Abu Ghraib pictures ...

      It is this same psychology that seems to be driving the administration of our prison system and ... probably ... too much in America where it comes to how the state administers force in order to maintain the law.


    •  Except embezzelers (0+ / 0-)

      and other "white collar" crime.

    •  They think it's a "just consequence" (2+ / 0-)
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      until their 20 year old kid gets busted for pot or DWI and gets locked up, even briefly, in the county jail while they try to raise a bail that's more than they can get in a single visit to their ATM.  Then it becomes an issue.

      The walls don't just keep people in; they keep everybody else out.

  •  Rape is a crime and should prosecuted. (0+ / 0-)

    If prison staff condone rape or fail to report it or the institution fails to investigate or fails to bring in the proper local police authorities to charge the rapist, then civil action should be instituted by the victimized prisoner. Once it becomes costly for states to allow these crimes to occur, it will stop.

    •  The credibility problem (1+ / 0-)
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      Let's assume that guards (or would you call them "correctional officers"?) ignore prison rapes if they don't actually facilitate them.  The victim, who is probably a convicted felon, has no credibility, gets ignored by the medical staff (who could corroborate the assault), has no access to lawyers (virtually all imprisoned people are indigent), and has no access to the IG without fear of reprisals.

      And the prisoner cannot go straight to federal court because of something called the Prisoners Rights Litigation Act, which requires that s/he go through the ridiculous administrative process prisons set up to thwart prisoner complaints.  And even if s/he survives long enough to get to federal court, there is no appointment of lawyers in most civil rights cases by prisoners.  So the threat of liability to the state is distant.

      Meanwhile, it costs about $40,000/year per prisoner to lock somebody up in New York for a year.  Getting all of the non-violent prisoners out would certainly  help.

      Was it Tolstoy who said that the measure of a civilization was its prisons?

      •  the measure of a civilization was its prisons (0+ / 0-)

        No question when you look at what countries like Sweden have done to rehabilitate rather than just warehouse offenders.

        •  sweden (0+ / 0-)

          what did sweden do?

          •  It is probably related to their social democracy (0+ / 0-)

            and the wider effect on crime, but in this graph you compare the number of prisoners in the USA, Canada, and Sweden. The Canadian Council on Social Development produced this study on year 2000 data:

            Twenty-Five Key Indicators of Social Development

            --------------------CANADA USA SWEDEN


            1. Income per Person (%US) 79.0% 100.0% 70.2%
            1. Poverty Rate 10.3% 17.0% 6.4%
            1. Child Poverty Rate 15.5% 22.4% 2.6%


            1. Employment Rate 71.1% 74.1% 74.2%
            1. Unemployment Rate 6.8% 4.0% 5.9%
            1. Working Long Hours 22.0% 26.0% 17.0%
            1. Low Paid Jobs 20.9% 24.5% 5.3%
            1. Earnings Gap 3.7 4.6 2.2


            1. UI Benefits as % Earnings 28.0% 14.0% 29.0%
            1. Jobs Supports (%GDP) 0.5% 0.2% 1.8%
            1. Unionization Rate 36.0% 18.0% 89.0%


            1. Health Care (Public Share) 69.6% 44.7% 83.8%
            1. Tertiary Education (Public Share) 60.0% 51.0% 91.0%
            1. Private Social Spending 4.5% 8.6% 3.0%


            1. Life Expectancy (Men) 75.3 72.5 75.9
            1. Life Expectancy (Women) 81.3 79.2 81.3
            1. Infant Mortality/100,000 5.5 7.2 3.5


            1. Homicides per 100,000 1.8 5.5 NA
            1. Assault/Threat per 100,000 4.0 5.7 4.2
            1. Prisoners per 100,000 118 546 71


            1. Adults/Post Secondary Ed. 38.8% 34.9% 28.0%
            1. High Literacy (% Adults) 25.1% 19.0% 35.5%
            1. Low Literacy (% Adults) 42.9% 49.6% 25.1%
            1. Grade 12 Math Score 519 461 552


            1. Voter Turnout 56.2% 49.1% 83.2%

            Unless otherwise indicated, data are from the OECD Social Indicators Database.

            1. GDP per capita at purchasing power parity for 2001 (OECD estimate.)
            1. Poverty defined as less than half the median income of an equivalent household.
            1. Definition of poverty as in 2. Source: UNICEF. Child Poverty in Rich Nations. 2000.
            1. Proportion of population age 15-64 in employment. OECD Employment Outlook. 2001.
            1. Source as in 4.
            1. Men working more than 45 hours per week. OECD Employment Outlook. 1998.
            1. Low pay is employed in a full-time job and earning less than 2/3 the median hourly wage.
            1. Ratio of the top to bottom 10% (ie top of 9th decile to top of 1st decile of earners.)
            1. Earnings replacement rate: average by family type and unemployment duration.
            1. Public spending on training and labour adjustment (excluding income support) as % GDP.
            1. OECD Employment Outlook. 1998.
            1. Public share of total health care expenditures.
            1. Public share of tertiary education sector revenues. Education at a Glance. OECD.
            1. Private social spending (health, pensions, disability insurance etc.) as % GDP.
            1. and 16. Life expectancy at birth.
            1. Rate per 100,000 population. Statistics Canada Daily. December 18. 2001
            1. Victimization rate as reported by persons per 100,000.
            1. Percentage of adults with post secondary qualifications (not including CEGEPs.)

            22.and 23. Data from International Adult Literacy Survey.

            1. Data from Third International Math and Science Survey.
            1. Voting in Parliamentary elections, 1995-99
  •  prison rape (0+ / 0-)

    Is there a way prison can get acess to the IG without other knowing?...the big problem is, people are afraid to speak up and unless they do so, we would never know how big the problem is...Even prisonners that've been raped that gets out of jail still wont get on record because they're ashamed to ackowledge it.

    Also, the problem is, everyone wants to get tought on crime so you end of having people with light crime getting caught in the system just because this politician wanted to be tough on crime.

    With a democratic congress, we should press them to take the issue and enacts some meaningfull laws.

  •  Solving Prison (0+ / 0-)
    If the prisoner should be imprisoned forever, why shouldn't they be subject to the death penalty?  Is life in prison somehow more "humane", more moral, less of a "cruel and unusual punishment"?  Is the prisoner for life useful to the government and|or society such that it's not worth killing them?  I think "death vs. life imprisonment" is a false dichotomy.  I'd love to see any sentence of, say, "20+ years" turned into "instant death", to make judges more judicious with lives.

    If the prisoner should not be imprisoned forever, why do we permit and sometimes encourage stuff that will screw them up (literally in this case) upon their release into general society?  If a criminal enters "the system" as sane but somewhat screwed-up and leaves jail as a massively nasty  and more criminally talented miscreant, one who may be worthy of death, are we doing ourselves any favors?   We know a helluva lot more about what motivates people than we did, and the best we do with that for the jailed is to create some torture protocols to skirt Geneva conventions?

  •  A diary... (0+ / 0-)

    ...from way back.  This is a discussion that needs to be held.  I wish I had the time for it.


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    by rserven on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 10:47:19 AM PST

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