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"How Long Will The Right Let Us Love Obama?"

Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:22:21 AM PDT

Over at HuffPost, Dave Johnson and James Boyce pen a must-read article about the Smear Machine that tears down our Democratic leaders and accomplishments.

A large part of Obama's appeal, no doubt, is that he is a "fresh face" with genuine charisma and intelligence.  He didn't support the war, he can work a crowd in a positively Clintonian manner (and I'm not talking about Hillary), and his biography is an inspiration.  But - would he still be getting the rock star treatment if the MSM and right wing hadn't systematically torn down our party's more experienced leaders?

If Kerry, Gore, and Mrs. Clinton are already damaged goods beyond rehabilitation in the public eye, then what can we do to prevent Obama from being torn down in the same way?

Excerpts from the article below the fold...

With concentrated and coordinated efforts between the conservative movement organizations, political leaders and the press, we have been SOLD the myth of Rudy Guiliani as a strong leader just as they've SMEARED John Kerry to the point where he is, sadly, damaged goods contemplating the potential end of a thirty-plus year career of service.

Three Democratic leaders on the poll have faced the full wrath of the smear machine, two as the Democratic Presidential Nominee, the third as co-target of the attacks on President Clinton. And where are Al Gore, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton? All are near the bottom of the rankings with favorability of under 50%. That is the power of the smear machine. This is what the machine does to our leaders - the leaders of the party of the people. It smears and attacks and destroys them.

Our point here is not whether you will vote for them, or volunteer for their campaign, or give them money, but do you, the American voting public, have a favorable impression of these leaders?

The sad and resounding answer is no. This is what the machine does to Democratic and Progressive leaders. It smears, and attacks and destroys them. It leaves millions of Americans with an uneasy feeling about John Kerry or Hillary Clinton, a bad taste in the mouth, "I don't know. I just don't like him." It's emotional. It's not rational. But it is very, very real.

And it's not just these our most recent leaders. As we wrote last week, President Jimmy Carter left office virtually in disgrace. What about Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis? Are they perceived as what they really are - respected leaders who are both true American success stories? Hardly. They are perceived in the "conventional wisdom" as jokes and afterthoughts.

Those powerful negative stereotypes were carefully created by the use of brilliant marketing, coordinated messaging, virtually unlimited budgets and a complete lack of morals.

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  •  All I know... (1+ / 0-)

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    is his middle name is Hussein, and he's got some hinky real estate deals with an indicted crony in Illinois politics...

    And before you flame me these are facts.  We felixed George Allen, so don't be surprised when they do it back.

    Remember when we were against torture, before we were for it?

    by pshaw on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:32:13 AM PDT

    •  Linky goodness (4+ / 0-)

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      Liberal: "I still think it's a respectable word. Its root is "liber," the Latin word for "free," and isn't that what we are all about?"--Mary McGrory

      by mini mum on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:37:12 AM PDT

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    •  Felix (2+ / 0-)

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      As far as I am concerned, there are two differnces between using Felix and using Hussein.

      1.  Motive - I think that felix was used as a goof with the sole pupose of pointing out his goofy middle name which more closely matched his goofy persona.  Hussein would be used with the purpose of making him sound like an Evil-doer, which is a worse motive.  
      1.  Scope - I believe that the use of Felix was primarily in the left wing blogoshere and it did not show up in the Main Stream media.  If the use of Hussein was limited to the right wing blogosphere that would not bother me so much.  If it shows up in the main stream media (I already heard it on Hardball once) then that is a different story.

       

    •  We felixed George Allen? (and belated tip jar) (7+ / 0-)

      Excuse me, but George Allen felixed himself with his manifest racism in addressing the opposition's cameraman.

      The question is, what can we do to Teflon-coat our leaders so the smears don't stick?  Or maybe it truly is a personality characteristic... one that Reagan and Clinton had, and perhaps Obama does too, but Gore and Kerry certainly do not.

      Obama's mixed heritage: part RFK, part MLK, part Clinton, part Dean. Read more

      by jab on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:54:06 AM PDT

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      •  Allen wasn't Felixed (1+ / 0-)

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        He was Macaca'd

        A Vote For John Edwards Is A Vote For Yourself. Iowa Underground

        by ThunderHawk13 on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 09:02:53 AM PDT

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      •  asd (2+ / 0-)

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        while Gore doesn't have a thick Teflon coating, I think you are underestimating exactly what the media to Gore for over 2 years actually.

        February 1, 2000
        Al Gore v. the Media

        By Robert Parry

        To read the major newspapers and to watch the TV pundit shows, one can't avoid the impression that many in the national press corps have decided that Vice President Al Gore is unfit to be elected the next president of the United States.

        Across the board -- from The Washington Post to The Washington Times, from The New York Times to the New York Post, from NBC's cable networks to the traveling campaign press corps -- journalists don't even bother to disguise their contempt for Gore anymore.

        At one early Democratic debate, a gathering of about 300 reporters in a nearby press room hissed and hooted at Gore's answers. Meanwhile, every perceived Gore misstep, including his choice of clothing, is treated as a new excuse to put him on a psychiatrist's couch and find him wanting.

        Journalists freely call him "delusional," "a liar" and "Zelig." Yet, to back up these sweeping denunciations, the media has relied on a series of distorted quotes and tendentious interpretations of his words, at times following scripts written by the national Republican leadership.

        In December, for instance, the news media generated dozens of stories about Gore's supposed claim that he discovered the Love Canal toxic waste dump. "I was the one that started it all," he was quoted as saying. This "gaffe" then was used to recycle other situations in which Gore allegedly exaggerated his role or, as some writers put it, told "bold-faced lies."

        But behind these examples of Gore's "lies" was some very sloppy journalism. The Love Canal flap started when The Washington Post and The New York Times misquoted Gore on a key point and cropped out the context of another sentence to give readers a false impression of what he meant.

        The error was then exploited by national Republicans and amplified endlessly by the rest of the news media, even after the Post and Times grudgingly filed corrections.

        Comparatively, Kerry did NOT get bad media treatment until after the SBVT attacks surfaced, and even after that it was his fault for not coming out and denying the charges immediately and providing the netroots material to fight back with.

  •  Taste of their own medicine (0+ / 0-)

    It's obvious that any criticism of Obama will be because the Republicans hate Christ, and love the terrorists.

    Why does the GOP persecute Christians in office? Poor, sweet, moral, good Barak Obama is merely minding his and Christ's own business, and the GOP is trying to build a ladder to heaven so they can murder Jesus.

    What shameful terrorist-lovers.

    klaatu barada nikto

    by JohnGor0 on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:37:49 AM PDT

    •  And thinking of that... (0+ / 0-)

      whom do you think a non-racist christian votes for? That damn fish-eating papist, adulterer Rudy Giuliani, or the good, moral, sweet Barak Obama? The godless Manchurian Candidate John McCain, or the spokesman for "An Awesome God" Barak Hussein Obama?

      klaatu barada nikto

      by JohnGor0 on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:41:47 AM PDT

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  •  'Fresh' Means He Is Not Related To the (3+ / 0-)

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    American slave-descendent black community and so presumably will not share much of their, uhm, agenda.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:41:14 AM PDT

  •  They've already started (3+ / 0-)

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    I hear them trying out their smears to see which one will stick on the usual talk radio shows.  Mostly they are content to mention his middle name and then follow with, "he's inexperienced" and, "having a pretty face and a way with words doeesn't qualify you to be President."

    David Sirota could have written their material. In fact he probably did.

    Forget Hillary. It's McCain, people. Focus on McCain!!!

    by snout on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:42:34 AM PDT

  •  Don't worry, be happy (2+ / 0-)

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    If Kerry, Gore, and Mrs. Clinton are already damaged goods beyond rehabilitation in the public eye, then what can we do to prevent Obama from being torn down in the same way?

    You are expecting the opposition to let any candidate slide? Besides, the left around here are doing a good enough job of hammering away at Obama. It's all part of politics.

    You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war..... Albert Einstein,

    by tazz on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:43:35 AM PDT

  •  Remember that the MSM is only as liberal (3+ / 0-)

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    as the corporation that owns it. When election season kicks in  you can be sure that Obama will be scouraged so badly that Snoop Dogg will seem like a choirboy

    Let me do right to all, and wrong no man. - Dr. C. Savage, Jr.

    by pwrmac5 on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:44:28 AM PDT

    •  Bill Clinton passed a key test (5+ / 0-)

      early on in his campaign. He got together with "business leaders" and told them what they wanted to hear. He pretty much got media support from then on.

      One might argue that the media kept picking at him throughout the campaign, but compare the kid glove treatment he got over his "smoking bimbo" and the treatment Al Gore got.

      In 2000, I think it was pretty clear whom the media wanted to win the election. I think they were relatively ambivalent in 1992. In 2008, Obama has the story and charisma to become the snowball choice.

      In 1983, Harold Washington ran for mayor of Chicago. Racists fell over each other trying to explain why Chicago wasn't "ready" for a black mayor. In 2008, one can argue that the nation is more than ready for a black, hispanic, or female president.

      I agree with Kos' post last week that if Obama runs, he wins. All he has to do is not mess up, and he'll be the feel good candidate who puts the exclamation point at the end of George Bush's regime.

      klaatu barada nikto

      by JohnGor0 on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:57:42 AM PDT

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      •  Obama is not my #1 (2+ / 0-)

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        ...but I will be excited about his candidacy nonetheless if he wins the Democratic nod!

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        by Tetris on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 09:39:00 AM PDT

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      •  That is all providing he gets all kinds of (1+ / 0-)

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        support not only from the Democrats, but the media, netroots grassroots, and beyond. Mainly if he can prove he is his own man and not the product of handlers.

        Let me do right to all, and wrong no man. - Dr. C. Savage, Jr.

        by pwrmac5 on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 12:22:17 PM PDT

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  •  How Long Will The Right Let Us Love Obama? (2+ / 0-)

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    IMO the right, particularly the media and pundits will promote us loving Obama right up until the time he becomes either the Presidential or VP nominee. Then I give it a couple of days before they do a 180 and tell us why he does not meet the qualifications necessary for these perilous times. I would be willing to bet $$ that the talking points are already in place for this reversal.

    No courage = No $$$ for Dems

    by MO Blue on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 09:10:10 AM PDT

    •  That's ok (1+ / 0-)

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      JohnGor0

      By that time, people will grow to like him and they will not be detered by the lack of experience meme.

      Gore's problem was all linked to the long campaign against his character that started well before General Election season.  As a matter of fact, his poll numbers improved throghout the General Election season.

      I'm not sure whether Kerry was really hurt by the Swirftboating.  I just don't know one way or the other.  It may have made a small impact of a point or two, which obviously could have changed the outcome.  My thought is that Obama will be ahead by enough going into the General election that a smear campaign will not change the outcome.  It may even backfire like it did in the Healey v. Patrick governore race.

      •  SBVT attacks did hurt Kerry badly (1+ / 0-)

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        state after state you can see a dip in his numbers from before to after. He did recover partially in October.

        Kerry was leading by some 10 points on military family vote shortly after the Dem convention, swung down to 10+ point deficit (#s from recollection) after GOP convention and the SBVT attacks, and never regained the lead.

  •  The nation is ready for a black president (2+ / 0-)

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    Let's look to fiction for an example.  "24," to be precise.  The character David Palmer was a black Senator who was elected POTUS.  No one batted an eye, no suspension of disbelief (in a show which requires a lot of suspension of disbelief) required.  Yeah, real life isn't a fictional TV show...but still.

    In any event, America, I believe, would elect a black president (pre-Iraq Colin Powell had a shot);  I just don't think Obama is the guy.  When he answers a question, he sounds like Kerry with a baritone.  He's the Seinfeld candidate; he says nothing but says it with style.

    Take a stand on something and quit trying to be all things to all people, Barack, and maybe I'll consider you as something more than a media-hyped golden boy.

    One more thing.  "Audacity to Hope?"  WTF does that mean!?

    A Vote For John Edwards Is A Vote For Yourself. Iowa Underground

    by ThunderHawk13 on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 09:13:34 AM PDT

    •  Haven't read it, but (1+ / 0-)

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      It may mean that his message of hope, which sounds like a "no brainer" on the surface, is so contrary to the convential wisdom of how to campaign and govern that it is audacious.

      Just a guess.

    •  audacity to hope (1+ / 0-)

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      i think means adapt to win

      my love and respect for hillary should kick in any time now...

      by memofromturner on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 09:21:09 AM PDT

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    •  How hard would it be? (3+ / 0-)

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      To find the keynote speech from the 2004 DNC and get the answer to your question?

      Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or do we participate in a politics of hope?

      John Kerry calls on us to hope. John Edwards calls on us to hope.

      I’m not talking about blind optimism here -- the almost willful ignorance that thinks unemployment will go away if we just don’t think about it, or the health care crisis will solve itself if we just ignore it. That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about something more substantial. It’s the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs; the hope of immigrants setting out for distant shores; the hope of a young naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta; the hope of a millworker’s son who dares to defy the odds; the hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for him, too.

      Hope -- Hope in the face of difficulty. Hope in the face of uncertainty. The audacity of hope!

      In the end, that is God’s greatest gift to us, the bedrock of this nation. A belief in things not seen. A belief that there are better days ahead.

      I believe that we can give our middle class relief and provide working families with a road to opportunity.

      I believe we can provide jobs to the jobless, homes to the homeless, and reclaim young people in cities across America from violence and despair.

      I believe that we have a righteous wind at our backs and that as we stand on the crossroads of history, we can make the right choices, and meet the challenges that face us.

      Are you tearing down Obama becase you are an Edwards supporter? Why not make informed, evidenced comparisons between Obama and Edwards?

      Full disclosure: I lean to Edwards and Obama (tied) but also am willing to give Clark a closer look.

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      by demondeac on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 09:51:02 AM PDT

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      •  And that's how Clinton won (1+ / 0-)

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        By staying positive in the face of seething hatred. The only times he seemed to snap were with good-natured outrage. in 2008, America will have lived through the most negative, miserable 8 years of hatred and fear-mongering in US history, and will flock to a positive message in droves.

        klaatu barada nikto

        by JohnGor0 on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 10:01:58 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, that sounds great (0+ / 0-)

        and then he goes and makes nice with the wingnuts while scolding Dems.

        No thanks.

        A Vote For John Edwards Is A Vote For Yourself. Iowa Underground

        by ThunderHawk13 on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:20:22 AM PDT

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      •  I am not tearing down Obama. (0+ / 0-)

        I like Barack Obama.  I just don't buy the messiah hype.

        I don't want to "reconcile" with the far right element in this nation.  I want to isolate it.

        A Vote For John Edwards Is A Vote For Yourself. Iowa Underground

        by ThunderHawk13 on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:23:00 AM PDT

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        •  Who Thinks The Far Right Is Going To Vote Obama? (0+ / 0-)

          I certainly don't think anyone's suggesting the borderline-psychotic racist crowd will go for him, or the religious extremists, or the nuke the ay-rabs crowd.

          Obama would appeal to youth and indepedents.  That would unite this country.  

          To the trators (their words) who have distracted us by building the berlin wall on our border, patrolled by armed racists, blown up fertility clinics, dragged gay men and women through the mud, who want to put yellow star equivalents on the Muslims, so that they can attack and potentially kill them, NO.  Nobody ever can unite with that crowd and win with progressives.  Nor is there any desire to.  

          Screw them.  They love war for its own sake.  They are sado-masochists who decry ever teaching about compassion from their supposed inspiration, ("my favorite philosopher!") Christ.

          Republicans believe in gvmt. intervention for bankers and investors, I believe in intervention for the meek and lowly -- Nulwee.

          by Nulwee on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:43:25 AM PDT

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          •  Then WHY THE HELL (0+ / 0-)

            does Obama keep talking about "reconciling" with them, as if we owe those shiteaters any kind of reconciliation at all?

            He's the one who keeps talking about it, not me.  Screw that.  They are the enemy to those who value liberty.

            A Vote For John Edwards Is A Vote For Yourself. Iowa Underground

            by ThunderHawk13 on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 12:06:03 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, but you'll vote for him (1+ / 0-)

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      because the GOP will put up Nuttimer McHately.

      Obama seems to have that strange aroma of victory about himself.

      klaatu barada nikto

      by JohnGor0 on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 09:56:52 AM PDT

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  •  Longer than the left, apparently! (1+ / 0-)

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    I've seen some people get hit pretty hard in here for pro-Obama opinions in the past couple months.
    •  collective amnesia (1+ / 0-)

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      or I thought everyone on the "left" was already so over Obama already. Forget the right, David Sirota will not let you love Obama...

      Barack Obama will only become president if enough people pay attention, so pay attention, dammit!

      by JMS on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 09:25:17 AM PDT

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    •  I'm not sold on Obama (1+ / 0-)

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      because he doesn't seem to have a message. Edwards had the 2 Americas. I understand where Dean comes from.

      Obama's aura comes from a vague positive feeling about the future.

      I also want to see him perform in a contentious campaign before I fall hopelessly in love.

      klaatu barada nikto

      by JohnGor0 on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 10:07:52 AM PDT

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  •  Why Dean is still my main man (6+ / 0-)

    Listen. I still have my 'Dean for America' sticker on my car. I watched in horror Dean's character assassination. What I was not prepared for was the extent to which the Beltway Dems participated. I will never forget that. Rather than going away to lick his wounds, Dean implemented the 50 state strategy, and in two years--only two!--kicked their ass! Who's laughing now?!?
  •  Bush's team is so bad it's hard to smear rivals (2+ / 0-)

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    How important is experience if Rummy and Cheney are the measure?
    What Dem (except Jefferson) doesn't look clean compared to Abramoff and friends?

    Commercials don't work as well when the customers have had enough of the crappy product.

    In a democracy, the most important office is the office of citizen.- Louis Brandeis

    by crystal eyes on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 09:29:32 AM PDT

  •  THis is so true, I said in an earlier post that (1+ / 0-)

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    My choice woulda been HRC P/ Wes VP/Obama VP/.
    I soured on Al by the way he conducted the first wishy washy campaign.
    I soured on Kerry for practically the same reason.
    john Edwards isnt a bad guy I just done feel him ( I know its emotional but what the heck).

    So now My choice has been and still remains
    Wes Clark P/ Obama VP.

    I am ready to jump into the Obama P bandwagon should he capture that "something" that makes him embedded into the consciousness of the electorate, a la RFK.

  •  Obama will not win (1+ / 0-)

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    against say, John McCain.    No doubt our nation will still be in total chaos in Iraq and the Middle East by campaign season 2008.   Voters will be looking for a strong, experienced, maybe military presence in the White House to help clean up all this horrific debacle by this Administration.

    Barack Obama just doesn't have the gravitas and experience yet to be President, is my earnest opinion.   This is likely why the MSM is "allowing" or pushing Obama as some "frontrunner" for the Dems, because he could be defeated by several Republicans they could run.  

    The MSM and the Repubs want us to have either Hillary or Obama as our candidate, just as they had the swiftboating lying in wait for the John Kerry smackdown (remember how surprised we all were when he became our "front-runner" candidate?  Kerry who??).  So the media is making Obama their "darling" right now, to convince us all that we do indeed want him as our "front-runner", or just to make the Hillary bid more of a contentious, "hot" news item, etc.

    We need candidates with experience and gravitas in the government and the international arena.    Okay, that would be Al Gore, John Edwards, Wesley Clark, and yeah, maybe John Kerry, but I just can't see how he can win, ever.

    I really wanted to see Russ Feingold run, but alas...

    My pick?   Clark/Edwards.   Will Edwards ever take the No. 2 spot again?  Hmmmm....

    "A bad government is elected by good people who do not vote in elections." -- Unknown, pg 342, "The Shell Game" by Steve Alten

    by sockpuppet on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 10:09:40 AM PDT

    •  sure he will (0+ / 0-)

      Against McCain, any of them would win.  Hillary, Edwards, Gore, Obama.  McCain's a tired old man, Bob Dole without the sense of humor or principles.

      Obama's mixed heritage: part RFK, part MLK, part Clinton, part Dean. Read more

      by jab on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 10:18:04 AM PDT

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