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YearlyKos Convention Needs Your Opinion

Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 09:04:04 AM PDT

This week the YearlyKos Convention organizing committee got into a debate, and as often happens in big tent progressive service organizations like ours, we have a bit of a (sigh) hung jury. So of course the logical next step is to go to y’all, our community, and ask what you think. Our problem is a typically controversial one among progressive circles, but maybe together we can compose a solution that works, at least for our progressive blogosphere community and our YearlyKos Convention project.

As usual, the problem is money. We are always uncomfortable talking about money. Maybe that is because someone is always asking for it (like we are now, in the middle of our first YK2007 fundraiser). Maybe it's because a lot of us are poor activists, and it makes us uncomfortable not being able to give (more) when asked. Maybe it is a "purity" issue, where we expect that people should give to good causes because it is the right thing to do, with warm feelings being reward enough for generosity. Or maybe it’s just a general sense of wanting to avoid the tackiness that comes with publicly discussing such things. In reality, though, no matter how we try to reduce this issue to its simplest form, the reasons are as multifaceted and complex as our community.

The particular money issue we are having today is how to recognize donors/investors. I could rant all day about how if we were conservatives, money would not even be an issue for organizations like ours. But as much as we all know that we are doing a good thing, we are still reduced to the humiliating task of begging, cajoling, guilting, and righteous indignation ranting for money. And with that, we need to, I don’t know what to call it, reward good behavior(?) from potential investors, because we need a heck of a lot more of that if we are going to pull off a convention that makes last year look like a bake sale.

If you notice, on our registration page we have multiple options for registration fees so that YKC2007 can fit into everyone’s budget while giving everyone the same access.  We could avoid the whole fundraising mess entirely if we just charged the $600 per person it actually costs to put on a convention of this size in a world-class city like Chicago. But we don’t want to out-price anyone, and judging from the 1/3 of registrants who are choosing the discounted student/low income rate, there are a lot of people who would definitely not be able attend if we didn’t offer this option. But when choosing this option, our funding needs still remain the same, and it is left up to our intrepid volunteers and kind donors to make up that missing $500 in funding (two weeks of pathetic minimum wage level labor, if they were actually getting paid to do this work).

So, what we need to do is make it more attractive for those who can invest and pay more to do so, and one way to do that is by somehow recognizing their generosity .

How do we do this? Some of the suggestions explored by the committee were

  • Placing a star or some other symbol on registration badges
  • Including a ribbon (or something) with the registration badges so that donors who want to be recognized can choose to affix the ribbon, and those who would rather remain anonymous can do so
  • Listing names in the program
  • Not giving lower level registrants the same access as upper level registrants (booooooo!)
  • Giving higher level registrants some kind of extra goodie

Really, we are not sure what to do here, so we are tossing it out to you. How do we encourage and recognize the generosity of higher-level registrants/investors without making people who can’t do more feel bad?

Let us know what you think in the comments below. Thanks!

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    •  well, it ain't free (19+ / 0-)

      and our fundraising could use a boost. That's why we're asking how to make donating and sponsoring more attractive to those who can.

      •  I'm on board (5+ / 0-)

        I'll be donating again this year...and trying to get there, my own self.

      •  Gina (15+ / 0-)

        I'm unemployed, but for Christmas & my birthday (in Jan) I asked my best friend to get me the $100 registration fee.

        BUT

        I fully plan to donate as soon as I get a job and/or more money, even though it will probably be in dribs and drabs. I think there are alot more people like me out there than anyone knows.

         No clue how to attract more big bucks people, but I wanted to let you know that even those who can only pay $100 in a lump sum, do appreciate the magnitude of the convention, and will help out along the line.

        Let bravery be thy choice, but not bravado- Menander

        by paddykraska on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 09:54:27 AM PDT

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      •  did you guys get 501 status? (0+ / 0-)

        cause if you did there is always the tax deductibility perk

        OIL UBER ALLES says "MORE WARS" McCain

        by KnotIookin on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 10:41:07 AM PDT

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      •  Has anyone looked at securing grant funding? (5+ / 0-)

        ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

        by dkmich on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 11:09:56 AM PDT

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        •  so frustrating (5+ / 0-)

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          SarahLee, lizah, dkmich, BCO gal, trashablanca

          a lot of foundations won't touch you without 2-3 years of success. And because we do things like, gasp, express opinions, we are too controversial to touch. Same goes for folks who you would think would be natural advertising sponsors, like Google and Apple (although the Coors, etc. don't seem to have a problem supporting "controversial organizatons")

          We also have to fight the misperception that as a convention, we can operate on a for profit model. The ways that other conferences make money are not feasible for us. Our target audience and potential sponsors are not of the plenty-of-cash-on-hand type.

          I guess we could get Exxon to sponsor our energy panel, and Merell Lynch to sponsor our econ panel, Dupont to sponsor our environment panel, Cigna to sponsor our health care panel, and so forth. Certainly that wouldn't effect our intellectual content.

          •  Look at the links... (3+ / 0-)

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            Ben & Jerry are very liberal, and the Carnegie link sounds like it is describing you.  It even talks about encouring youth participation in democracy.  I can't do it for you because I don't know enough about the facts, but I would try to help if I can.

            ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

            by dkmich on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 12:12:39 PM PDT

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          •  Beg George Soros (0+ / 0-)

            for money.  :-)

            "The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma." - Abraham Lincoln

            by Jerry 101 on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 12:13:11 PM PDT

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            •  if (0+ / 0-)

              they were accepting unsolocited applications

              •  Sell kisses from George Clooney (1+ / 0-)

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                niteskolar

                That's not intended literally, but metaphorically.

                That is to say, there are many people who have things that cost them nothing, but that people would buy because to them it means something.  It costs George Clooney nothing to give someone a kiss; yet it is a valuable and cherished memory for the recipient.

                Celebrities -- political, media, journalistic and otherwise -- want in on the Kos media circus.  This is a way to let them cheaply purchase their ticket.  People here would pay for a private small group lunch with Markos -- not something I recommend putting on the block, because the man already does enough -- as one example.  Here's a small, off-the-top-of-my-head list of people that I would be willing to spend $50 to have a small-group (say 12 people) lunch with, in this context, in addition to my registration fee, as a means of supporting the cause, because the memory of this having been part of my YKos experience would be worth it:

                Joe Wilson
                Jane Hamsher
                Digby
                emptywheel
                Meteor Blades
                Rep. John Hall
                Rep. Paul Hodes
                Rep. Louise Slaughter
                Eric Massa
                Jimmy Carter
                Sen. Barbara Boxer

                need I go on?

                Set aside one afternoon at the conference where there will be no official lunchtime event, and instead there will be these small group, "get to know people," lunches and discussions for those who can afford them.  (The rest of the people can head to the hotel bar or Taco Bell.  Or you can show a nice documentary in the auditorium.)

                This is nice in part because it's subtle.  Some people are gone for 90 minutes and they come back smiling.  I would not want to walk around the convention with a special star saying that I gave extra money; that would seem like lording it over people.  (A mention in the program would not be as ostentatious.)  But I would have no problem with saying, thinking, and telling people that I spent $50 (or more if the bids go higher) to have lunch with Rep. Slaughter.  Yes, it's an enviable treat, but this would just happen to be the luxury I chose, and I think that people can understand that.  Money buys things -- experiences as well as goods and services.

                Asking the celebrities among us to give a little, in a way that will probably be enjoyable to them (after all, mostly I'm just going to tell Rep. Slaughter how great she is) is not an unreasonable imposition.  They want to be part of the team, they can sell their kisses -- or, more accurately, their presence.

                This is how it works in DC; it can work for us too.

                If somebody writes a book and doesn't care for [its] survival, he's an imbecile.

                ~ Umberto Eco

                by Major Danby on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 01:39:56 PM PDT

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              •  The VLWC (1+ / 0-)

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                niteskolar

                The Vast Left Wing Conpiracy doesn't seem very vast or conspiratorial :)

          •  Corporate Sponsors (6+ / 0-)

            There are PLENTY of them...Some right here in Chicago.

            Hyatt Corporation - big sponsors of HRC, Gay Games, etc. CHICAGO BASED.

            Boeing Corp. - They need to "make friends" with groups like ours to keep their govt contracts (OK, bad example)

            Chase Bank - Also big sponsors of gay games and other "controversial groups" - email campaign by Kossacks who are customers might help sway their decision.

            Allstate Insurance - Another Chicago giant with great philanthropic souls. How many Kossacks are "in good hands"?

            Progressive Insurance - The founder is a BIGTIME Democrat. Based in Tampa, but they have a fairly large presence in Chicago as well.

            JetBlue - Kos' favorite airline. As many plugs as he's given them, they should be thrilled to reciprocate. And they just entered the Chicago Market.

            How do we sway them?

            1. Dems now in power, thanks in no small part to US in the netroots. WE are the future of politics.
            1. Over 100,000 subscribers, many in the coveted 18-35 demographic.
            1. Visibility. Not only at YK, but ad space at DKos as well (If Kos is willing).

            And then there is CONGRESSIONAL Sponsorship:

            Slaughter, Tester, Webb, Conyers, Dean, Edwards, Kerry and the many, many others who have "professed their love" for the netroots. They all have campaign funds from which they could donate.

            They SAY they love us, they SAY they need us, they SAY we are vital to the future...So let them put their money where their mouths are.

            "Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - after they have exhausted all other possibilities." ~Winston Churchill

            by Da Buddy on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 12:50:04 PM PDT

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            •  Wow. (3+ / 0-)

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              SallyCat, Da Buddy, kaye

              You have some great suggestions there.

              I would have never thought of asking the politicians - I think it's a brilliant idea.

              "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4130+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

              by Miss Blue on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 12:59:03 PM PDT

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            •  those are good suggestions (2+ / 0-)

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              SallyCat, Da Buddy

              we'll follow up.

              Do know we were rejected last year by Progressive. But last year they were gambling on a complete unknown.

              And one thing I'd like to point out is we are having much better success with sponsors this year then last. In '06 we didn't get our first sponsor till March. We'll be announcing a few more coming on shortly.

              But we still have a long ways to go. And in budgeting this year we factored in several revenue streams, including the generosity of small dollar donors. This convention was built on in large part by those donations and will still have an important role to play in making this convention a success.

              •  Email Campaigns (0+ / 0-)

                Let us know who you are talking with when you get a foot in the door. Kossacks who are customers can email them asking for their financial support.

                You'd be surprised how powerful that can be.

                And here's a couple more:

                Kraft Foods: Chicago (Glenview) - They told the American Family Assn. to take a hike when they threatened a boycott of Kraft over the Gay Games this year.

                United Airlines - Chicago Based.

                American Airlines - Huge in Chicago.

                It's always good to stress the connection to the town you will be in - their "backyard", if you will.

                "Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - after they have exhausted all other possibilities." ~Winston Churchill

                by Da Buddy on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 07:06:43 PM PDT

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      •  You called me a troll last year (1+ / 0-)

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        I think the only time someone here has done so, FWIW.

        I was trying to suggest getting a local indigenous person to open the thing with a proper blessing.  Because that is the proper way to do a gathering.  

        I was ignored, then berated when I persisted for not suggesting via the proper channels (sounding more like a disinterested bureaucratic hack than anything).  You listed half a dozen ways ways I should have submitted my suggestion - rather than simply receiving it on the spot.  So I went ahead and submitted all six of those ways.  Which pissed you off, apparently.  That's when you called me a troll and told me to get lost.  So I followed your orders and never went back to YearlyKos website again.  And, of course, my suggestion was not followed through on.

        As to your convention.  For people who really don't have much money, even free registration isn't likely to make the difference.  Because there's a grand or so in other costs (airfare, hotel, meals, airport transfers & parking and so on).  Not everybody has a spare $1000 hanging around.  Including me, so you can breathe easy that this "troll" won't be crashing your party.

        Don't know why, but various comments and suggestions I've made along the way have always been rejected ignored.  Perhaps because of my so-called "trollishness"?

        Here's one suggestion in particular:  Some option for hotel costs to be covered for low-income people who put in some specified amount of work at (or before) the convention.

        I know that the stated concern of your diary is how to encourage the high rollers.  And I'm not speaking to that: my concern is instead how to make room for low-income people.  So I'll probably be ruled out of order, thus creating justification for my comments to be ignored.  And, perhaps, again dismissed as a "troll".

        So it goes.

        John McCain voted against health care for kids.

        by Land of Enchantment on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 12:50:22 PM PDT

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        •  LoE,,,, (0+ / 0-)

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          get over this.  Seriously.  We know you aren't a troll.  You're a brilliant addition to Dailykos.  I for one would love to meet you at the convention.

          Try submitting your ideas again, even if in a post here.  Or a diary.  

          "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4130+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

          by Miss Blue on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 01:02:19 PM PDT

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          •  My suggestions are included in the comment (1+ / 0-)

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            AmericanRiverCanyon

            I'm pretty much certain one will be ignored, about the blessing.  It certainly was last year.

            The other, who knows?  But I've made it.  Here.  

            Can't make Gina give it any attention, though.  (She's the only one ever to call me a troll anyhow, and presumably uses that as an excuse to discredit/ignore anything I say...)

            John McCain voted against health care for kids.

            by Land of Enchantment on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 01:12:02 PM PDT

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            •  I Am Not Official (0+ / 0-)

              I did however attend the ecumenical service put on by pastordan.

              Everybody, it seems, (including a pagan, and an athist) was there, except a Muslim, because they could not find one who would participate.

              There was also a sage-burning ceremony put on by along with a panel by/for Native Americans.

              So, don't be shy about speaking up again.

              I will look forward to meeting you there.

              RMD

              The Bushiter's Iraq 2004 - 1268 Dead, about 25K Medivacs and 9000 Maimed... It's the Bushiter Way, wasting other people's money and lives. And it's worse now.

              by RedMeatDem on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 01:56:52 PM PDT

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          •  P.S. Nice that you'd like to meet me (2+ / 0-)

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            Miss Blue, AmericanRiverCanyon

            And I'd like to meet you.  I still smile sometimes remembering that wonderful Red Cow Truck diary.  And thanks for the other compliments, too.  But I won't be going to the convention regardless.  That $1000 price tag is way beyond my (very modest) means.

            John McCain voted against health care for kids.

            by Land of Enchantment on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 01:13:51 PM PDT

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            •  I"m hoping to go. (1+ / 0-)

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              trashablanca

              Still unemployed, so who knows, it may be sold out before I can register.

              But I'm near Madison, so only an hour from Chicago.  I won't need a hotel room if I can't afford one by that point.  If I'm not working by then, I'll be living in a ditch, so that isn't an option, lol.

              I have donated a breeding to my stallion for the auction, so at least I feel like I've contributed something.  Although, with all the urban population on here it may not sell, lol.

              Oh well, we do what we can.

              "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4130+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

              by Miss Blue on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 01:20:28 PM PDT

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        •  Or how about (3+ / 0-)

          since McCormick Place is transit accessible (the spouse looked it up but forgot which station), how about a guide to lower cost facilities that are on the same transit line (so people only have to take a single route)?

          I'd also be interested in a guide to "cheap eats" in the McCormick Place area, especially healthier fare since I'm still going to be on the eat less/move more regimen...
           

          "Old soldiers never die -- they get young soldiers killed." -- Bill Maher

          by Cali Scribe on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 01:12:38 PM PDT

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        •  Like the idea of trading work hours for $ (0+ / 0-)

          for those who can't afford the cash layout.  Or if not straight hours, some people may have a particular skill (Eg. making name tags, signs, other artwork, bookkeeping, carpentry) that would be valuable.

          My Karma just ran over your Dogma

          by FoundingFatherDAR on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 02:04:00 PM PDT

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  •  Are you only asking about big money registrants? (7+ / 0-)

    Or do you need ideas about sponsor recognition too?

    "I'm not a humanitarian. I'm a hell-raiser." Mother Jones

    by histopresto on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 09:06:31 AM PDT

  •  Who are your investors? (4+ / 0-)

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    Are they companies/corporations?  Tell us who they typically are.  If commercial, maybe a free ad on dailykos.  

    ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

    by dkmich on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 09:07:32 AM PDT

  •  Haliburton? (4+ / 0-)

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    Maybe they will write a check for $10 million and won't have to worry about anything?  snark

    maybe have a pre-convention reception that people pay extra for.  Talk to maybe a couple of politicians or bloggers to have a reception and charge everyone 50-100 dollars to attend the reception before the convention starts?

    That way you wouldn't have to discriminate to people who couldn't afford to attend the convention and then have areas they were banned from.  "two america" theme?

    just my 2 lincolns

    Republicans are not a national party anymore.

    by jalapeno on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 09:08:55 AM PDT

    •  $50-$100 (11+ / 0-)

      Would only cover the costs of a reception. We'd still need to cover regular costs. That is part of our dilemma. To start getting into profit range, we would need minimums of $250 or maybe even $500.

      Yeah, my jaw hits the floor too when I think about it.

      •  And that's the rub, is it not? (7+ / 0-)

        We don't incentivize more big donations, then we end up with only people who can afford $500-600 convention fees attending, which is all in all the same thing.

        My three cents

        We're just going to have to get over that based on luck, starting point, education, skills, choice of career and work experience, people make different amounts of green stuff and have different incentive structures for parting ways with it in the name of a good cause.

        1. Many people who are going to give big already are. They're a given.
        1. Another set of big donors will pony up cash only for large recognition an special privileges. The DLC meeting's down the hall, thanks. Yeah. Buh-buh.
        1. A third set will give big, for relatively inexpensive tokens of recognition and appreciation. You don't get a net 100% of their generosity, on the other hand you don't have to give 100% of your soul to get their money.

        I think sticking with #1's not working, and so do a lot of other people.

        I think going with #2 is a very bad idea, and there's almost universal consensus on that score, here.

        I think we can offer up some goodies per #3 and still look our collective self in the mirror in the morning. This is simply not that big an issue, except that it is being made into one.

        Having attendees pay $600 a pop and therefore we see 1/5th (maybe) the number of participants than last year is far more unacceptable.

        Just me talking. PS - Keep up the great work. :)

        •  That's an interesting point (2+ / 0-)

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          I'm going to expand on cskendrick's statement:

          "Having attendees pay $600 a pop and therefore we see 1/5th (maybe) the number of participants than last year is far more unacceptable."

          I've had related thoughts.

          Last year was a blast. But it was also only $300 to honor one's entire bill. This year that individual bill has doubled. It seems the convention has doubled in price without offering anything more than a change of location. This seems in conflict with Ykos's spirit - to get as much physical participation out of a virtual community as humanly possible.

          Basically, what I'm trying to politely get at is: what are we paying for? I remember this being a big question last year, the convention called for like 300g's, but when darksyde broke down the numbers, the vast majority of the money was unaccounted for. We were left to wonder if we were helping reimburse Mark Warner for his Chocolate fountain or if Reid et al. were asking for exorbitant speaking fees.

          Did we learn last year that a convention of this size would require more troops than a volunteer force could support? Will we outsource convention related labor from kossacks to say, unaffiliated apolitical Chicagoans? Do we not get the perks as last time, such as free wireless stuff that we have to budget for this time around? Does Barak Obama want $100,000 to speak at our convention? What are we paying for?

          I have to wade through years of darksyde diaries to find the one in question, so I'll keep looking so you know what I'm talking about.

          •  Hmm I see your point. (1+ / 0-)

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            Melody Townsel

            I'm visiting Dallas for Xmas. On a lark, I emailed Melody Townsel to see if she wanted to get a local DKOS gathering going.

            I estimate that 15 people are going to show up. So far.

            And all they'll have to pay for is their bar tab and their burritos and maybe a babysitter.

          •  Last year (2+ / 0-)

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            Klio, NeoconSemanticist

            we had a lot of things donated that will not be donated this year, such as about $150k in travel and hotel expenses from speakers. And, yes, Chicago is at least 1/3 more expensive.

            Good will only goes so far and it is unreasonable to expect that it will always pay the convention bills and a bit presumptuous that you think it should.

            When our accountants (who have to be paid) release the final numbers, we'll run them by the attorneys (who have to be paid) and publish them on our website (which ain't free). Meanwhile, the cost was around $303k and I assure you no one was pocketing jack shit.  Were you really there last year? Are you really asking what you were paying for? Free perks like wireless, I assure you were not free. We had to build the network from the ground up, dropping our own lines, purchasing our own routers, etc. None of that free. And guess what, having someone make sure the system kept running wasn't free either.

            Three full meals for 1000 people and two buffets. Not free. Setting up and tearing down tables, not free. Stage setup, video equipment, projectors for powerpoint presentations, not free.

            Union reps to trail independent filmmakers, not free.

            Hanging a poster on the wall...more union labor. Not free.

            C'mon, man.

            •  okay, okay (0+ / 0-)

              I didn't mean to impugn your integrity. I was indeed there last year, and like I said, it was a blast. I understand these things are not free.

              In my defense, I call on Shakespeare. there's this part in King Richard the III where two countrymen are speculating on the politics of Richard's coup d'état. The peasants wonder about this and that, showing the further one is from the happenings in question, the more speculative the people become, the more they attribute events not to man's own device but to nature/god/fate. That's how I felt last year in my little circle. Not being privy to the inner circle, all we could do is sit back and wonder where and for what the money went. My point being - or in defense of my queries: Is YearlyKos a part of the democratic machine? Are we collecting funds as much as putting on a convention? It's a question I keep coming back to when I hear Markos talk about various projects he's working on and how all funds go to worthy causes. Is my material support of yearly kos de facto support of the national democratic party? these aren't make-or-break my support kinda questions. I'm not trying to be antagonistic or subversive in asking them. They're just rhetorical.

              I remember being impressed by the convention layout itself, the table cloths, silverware instead of disposable plastic sporks, the free lunches... it was all nice and thought out and certainly not done on the cheap. (I sure thought the wireless tab was picked up by Air America - granted, that doesn't make it free, but it doesn't mean the convention was billed for it either. Whoever picked up the tab, it was nice not to have to pay for individual accounts through the hotel.) I guess I didn't realize how expansive the bill became: I don't remember attorneys and accountants in last year's planning. I don't remember union reps and independent filmmakers as anything other than individual projects. I suppose that accounts for the bill - instead of a straight-up account of personal rooms and pre-determined convention space, there's tons of peripheral costs. I will keep that in mind if I see irregularities in the future.

              When you say: "Good will only goes so far and it is unreasonable to expect that it will always pay the convention bills and a bit presumptuous that you think it should." I think you're projecting your own connotations into my sentiments. I have no idea where you get me being presumptuous about good will. I find that mildly offensive.

              So let me be clear, in case my tone belies my point: I do not think there's nefarious accounting deeds afoot. Nor do I think people should work for free, or that good will should put a ham on everyone's plate for christmas. I'm simply curious as to whether all the expenditures are up front, or if there's a fine print that says "x amount of your convention fee goes to support candidates, future conventions or related/unrelated projects, and whether candidates appear of their own volition or whether we pay them to appear." This may not be a pleasant question to have to deal with at this stage of the game, but I think it fair to wonder.

              •  it's certainly understandable (2+ / 0-)

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                MissLaura, NeoconSemanticist

                that you would have these questions.  They're legitimate.

                I'm sure gina will get with you, but I do not believe that any speaker was paid a feee to appear, nor do I believe that any funds have gone to fund any political party or candidate.

                Lawyers and accountants are a cost of doing business in America today.  I believe we had donated professional services last year but professionals are unlikely to work for free forever.  Nor would we want to ask them to do so.

                As a final point, YKC is always held in a union shop, and they protect their members.  Full stop.  Why would you want it otherwise?

                I'll see you in Chicago, and I will personally induct you into the inner circle.  Beware your soul ....

                Cheers,

                •  thanks (0+ / 0-)

                  I appreciate it. I'm sure Gina's busy with a great deal. I can't imagine how much stuff goes into putting on a convention.

                  I certainly agree with yearlykos being held in a union shop. Sorry if my comments come off disparaging towards unions.

                  P.S. did you know you misspelled "kilo" as your handle?

                  •  hah (1+ / 0-)

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                    NeoconSemanticist

                    somebody had already taken Clio, and I hesitated to spell it in the Greek way Kleio.  But I should have.  Nothing good comes of cutting corners. Plus I coulda had a way lower uid.  But no, I had to think about it...

                    So I'll see you in Chicago -- we know our rites we muses :-)

                    •  I had a similar situation (1+ / 0-)

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                      I signed up around dec 2004. It would have been earlier, but I had to over-think my username. I was new to the blog world and this place seemed so smart. It was a little intimidating, so I vowed to take my time and come up with soemthing really sharp. I thought "NeoconSemanticist" would be good because I thought it meant "one who derives meaning from neoconservative policy, rhetoric, etc." This was back when "neoconservative" wasn't quite a household brand, and I thought I'd be cool by jumping ahead of the semantics game. But my username seems to draw the opposite effect - I'm viewed as someone representing neocon perspectives, not deconstructing it. Some people get it. But most see "neocon" and keep moving. SOme people shorten my user name and call me "neocon." That's the polar opposite of what I signed up for. Drives me nuts.

                      Yep. See you in Chicago. I'll be the one in corduroy assless chaps. Just ask everyone to spin in place and you can't miss me.

              •  I was too cranky. Apologies (1+ / 0-)

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                All monies went to convention costs, from filing fees to incorporate, to space, to printing, to everything.

                You did have ligit questions. And we will be publishing a report soon as everything is checked and double checked.

                AA did some wifi, but we had to pay for the network and setup and onsite support.

                Thanks for coming last year.

                •  Thank you (1+ / 0-)

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                  I obviously have no idea how big a job this is. I will  leave you to your excellent work.

                  As a side note, I will share one story from yearlykos 1.0.

                  I happened to meet Advisorjim and his wife. She told me this story about a black republican from a Kansas thinktank (remeber, this is in the midst of the Scopes retrial) who came to yearlykos to recruit liberal bloggers to explain their blogging success. (to other  conservatives, presumably. maybe he was some sort of computer science professor, who knows.)

                  She was laughing so hard at "black republican from kansas" she could barely finish the story.

                  I don't know if I conveyed the story properly, but it was the highest of high comedy at the time. We thought this might become the new urban legend - a black (active) republican from kansas.

                  ahhhh, memories.

    •  or perhaps focus on 'liberal' families (0+ / 0-)

      who have always given a penny on the dollar to uphold liberal causes and to promote themselves in the process, such as the Levi-Strauss heirs of San Francisco.

      YearlyKos sponsorship would be a wonderful distraction from what has really made the family rich: firing its entire U.S. manufacturing force and exporting jobs, doing deals with Wal-Mart, using slave labor to manufacture jeans in the Northern Marianas, etc.

      Which is to say: sometimes it takes the work of thousands of activists to combat what a few self-declared "liberals" will happily do in the name of enriching themselves. Trust me, Halliburton isn't the only villain in the U.S. corporate world.

  •  What about ... (25+ / 0-)

    doing something like giving them a "bonus" thank-you gift, like a complimentary copy of Unconventional or Inconvenient Truth?

    I really get the feeling that in this group, public recognition like special stars or ribbons would feel kind of icky, even to those being recognized. But I may be wrong, just going on how I would personally feel about being singled out visually at the convention.