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Shock and Awe

Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 08:32:42 PM PDT

At Bush’s stupidity!

Well, he’s finally done it. He’s hung Saddam Hussein on the eve of one of the holiest days in Islam: "Eid al Atha"... the day of sacrifice,  and he’s made Saddam into an (unworthy) sacrificial lamb in the eyes of millions of Muslims.

Saddam went to the gallows dignified, with Qur’an in hand, and to the sound of  prayers being recited (on the video, before the taunting). He met his destiny as a martyr, or at least that’s the impression that many will get.

What a crock of shit this has turned out to be!

More after the flip...

I mean get real! Saddam Hussein! The Butcher of  Baghdad! A bloodthirsty, secular, ruthless, atheist, conniving murderous bastard with virtually no redeeming qualities whatsoever. A man who quite recently had no more respect for Islam than he had for a piece of dogshit, now by a monstrous act of sheer stupidity, has been rehabilitated into an unlikely religious martyr. This is a clown so bad that probably even Satan himself is ashamed of his excesses... yet the morons running our government shoot themselves in the foot and redeem him in the eyes of millions of believers, both inside Iraq and throughout the world.

This is a guy whom the mullahs hated just a few short years ago. Now they’ll speak of him in hushed and reverential tones... I can already hear the rationalized crap that will be spewed about him a few years hence: "Oh yes, he used harsh methods to be sure, but you know, that is exactly what Iraq needed at the time. He really united the people... something the Americans could never do, and he was a real Iraqi patriot...(ad nauseum)"

Because of the insanely stupid selection of Eid as the best possible day on which to execute him, Saddam will garner a pity, and a sympathy that he did not earn, and does not deserve. He will be larger in death than he was in life, and people’s memories of him will grow rosier with time. Teenagers will sport T-shirts bearing his image, and his name will be remembered as an Iraqi hero and "strongman" who stood up, against all the odds, to a bullying and exploitive West. The blood on his hands will likely be largely forgotten, cleansed as it was by Bush’s vengeful antics, and a Texas Necktie.

Bush on the other hand, will be remembered by most for dumping white phosphorous rounds on the children of Fallujah.

This is a freakin’ P.R. disaster! They couldn’t have thought this through any worse if they tried. Of all the things they could have done to get rid of Saddam Hussein, they had to choose the one frickin’ thing that would guarantee that his image will be rehabilitated... they had to hang his ass on Eid and make a martyr out of him!

I’m not going to address martyrdom in a religious sense, it doesn’t matter, and frankly I don’t give a camel’s shit what happens to Saddam in the Hereafter, that’s between him and the Great Beyond. What I do care about is that he has been lionized in the minds of millions of folks, right here and now... to them he already is a martyr, unjustly killed by the Americans, and these are mostly folks who didn’t have a shred of sympathy for him before. Why the fuck did we do this?

I am a Muslim myself, and I did a quick headcount of those around town... reactions were bad across the board in our community. My friend "E", for example, a liberal, progressive, mostly secular and westernized guy said that he was "extremely saddened" by Saddam’s death, that he felt sorry for him, and why did they have to kill him on Eid?

Shit! What did Saddam ever do to deserve such a reaction?  In an amazing upset, the cruel ruthless bastard is suddenly getting pity.

Eid is day of forgiveness, coming together and mending old wounds and rivalries. It’s a day when we stand before God, and are cleansed, renewed, and forgiven. We sacrifice a lamb... it’s a proxy for us, really, in solidarity with the three million souls on Hajj who are performing their sacrifice. To kill Saddam on this particular day, with full photo and video documentation, absolutely ensures his place as a folk hero, and try as they might, they won’t be able to kill his memory, or his image. In killing Saddam, they turned a villain into a hero... turned a sow’s ear into a silk purse, and only made him stronger.

They had a million other options! The Hague, quietly offing him a couple of weeks from now, or throwing him into the same Black Hole where they threw Noriega... plenty of choices... but no, they had to go and hang him on EID for crying out loud! It’s a best-case scenario for Saddam Hussein, considering his meager options.

You know there’s a story in Islam about Ali, the prophet Muhammad’s son-in-law. He is revered as a noble warrior in Islamic lore, and an exemplar of Islamic martial conduct.

It seems Ali was locked in mortal combat with an enemy. After a heated struggle, he got the best of his foe, and was about to dispatch him, when the man spit in his face. At this, Ali sheathed his sword, and told the man to get up. "Why have you spared my life?" the man asked, "I have just spit in your face!". To this, Ali responded "A moment ago, I would have killed you for the sake of righteousness, but once you spit in my face, I was going to kill you in anger, for my own selfish reasons. This is something I won’t let you do to me. Go now, in peace."

Had Ali killed the man, he would have been reduced to his level (and no one would be telling his story). In sparing him, he became larger than life – the "Lion of Islam".

Islamic history is full of images of the honorable warrior. Muhammad himself was arguably a pretty lousy general... his first big battle was more or less a suicide mission, which he only won through divine intervention. The next major battle was a military disaster... his troops were routed and badly mauled, and the final big battle was a draw. 1:1:1 ... hardly a record to be proud of, and not too brilliant generaling by any measure. What finally won over the Meccans (his enemy) was his impeccable personal conduct... his honor. They fell in love with the guy (hearts and minds!) because he was merciful, just, unselfish and kind... everything that their own leaders were not. Muslim soldiers (traditionally) never harmed civilians, never damaged crops or houses, or even so much as a tree. They didn’t steal, and they were merciful to their captives, even when those people were not merciful to them (especially then!). They won over their enemies by being honorable... by being better men than they had to be.

We have lost so many opportunities in Iraq because of our lack of honor. Think of what we could have been gained if we had conducted the Iraq War as Muhammad’s soldiers would have... we would have gained the respect and admiration of the people. It would have required a rigid discipline, and probably would cost a few more American lives in the earliest days, but it’s likely that the bloodshed would have soon ended, had the Iraqis witnessed a firm determination on the part of the Americans to not harm the people, and to respect their property. Instead now the US will be remembered as sponsoring rape, mayhem and butchery... and the violence will continue until the day the last American leaves.

In hanging Saddam on Eid, Bush has only proven that he is as brutal as Saddam was, and is in fact, cut from the same cloth.

He is a barbarian.

We can do better.

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    •  The One Thing Said Of Saddam... (4+ / 0-)

      ...including on a BBC World Service radio program I heard last night, was he was certainly someone who would superficially change with the weather.  It was all about maintaining power.  From hardcore secular atheist, to Arab socialist, to pan-Arabist, to Iraqi nationalist, to savior of Palestine, to devout Sunni...it was all empty and all meant to help him hold onto total power.

      And yet, I think you may be right.  Despite the fact it's all horseshit, he really was able to paint himself as a Sunni Arab unafraid to stare down the U.S.A., even in death.  Refusing to wear the hood and everything, clutching a Koran.  In our many, many blunders, we gave him the PR to perhaps die more popular than he ever could have achieved otherwise.

      He was a butcher, a murderer, a divider, a self-obsessed dictator.  Certainly the Iranians don't miss him, nor due the Sunni monarchies and dictatorships to Iraq's south and west.  But many undeducated, poor Sunni's who might not have a handle on what Saddam was really about now see someone willing to stand up to the West.  Executing him on the dawn of an important holiday probably doesn't help.

      •  Even those who do not miss him (6+ / 0-)

        The Iranians, Sunni monarchies and dictatorships will certainly use his death to their advantage even if they do not miss him.

        Your post points out how we just screwed this thing up completely.  I really didn't think this could get any worse.

        January 4, 2007- It's a great day to be an American!

        by jah4168 on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 08:54:44 PM PDT

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        •  You Said It, Partner. (4+ / 0-)

          There's just no such thing as "good news" when in comes to Iraq.  Especially now.  Maybe 3 years ago you could convince yourself some little piece of news or another might--just might--be some light cracking at the end of the tunnel.

          For the last lord knows how long, you just know it's bad and won't be getting better.

          I don't miss Saddam.  I don't miss any murdering dictator.  I won't miss Saudi King Abdullah, Robert Mugabe, Muammar Gaddafi, Than Shwe, or Aleksandr Lukashenko either.  Saparmurat Niyazov of Turkmenistan just died, and I don't miss him.

          But it would be nice, as long as we're occupying a foreign country, not to fuck up every possible thing at every possible turn, all the time.  Executing this man at this time accomplished nothing, and could very well make things much worse.

          •  Spot on yourself (4+ / 0-)

            It just makes me want to scream.  I remember the conversations I had with the war supporters leading up to the invasion.  My arguments against the war seem silly now.  I never could have imagined how bad it would really be.  Don't get me wrong, this was a bad idea from the get go, but they have fucked it up in every possible way and made it just so much worse.  The invasion of Iran should make it all better though!

            January 4, 2007- It's a great day to be an American!

            by jah4168 on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 11:41:04 PM PDT

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            •  I remember (3+ / 0-)

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              all of those loud-mouthed Clear Channel fucks stuffing their faces full of free hot dogs at those pro-war rallies. Glen Beck was there, organizing them. Same morons would crash our rallies and scream in our faces. They were so blood-thirsty, so eager for death and destruction... and so fucking wrong about everything!

  •  Is he going to be a martyr? (1+ / 0-)

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    I don't think so.  So far, all I've seen is Shiites dancing in the streets and the rest of the Arab world express relatively muted criticism and a general sense that he got what he deserved.  Maybe we ought to give the Muslim world more credit.

    "We must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom." - Kodos

    by Jon Stafford on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 08:38:45 PM PDT

    •  He is giving Muslims credit (2+ / 0-)

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      They would have to be crazy not to be outraged by this stunt.  Look at the reaction here on Kos.  People reacted with outrage because this was an outrageous event.  We invaded a country and hanged their leader using our own made up Court to condemn him.  That is very bad.  Throw in the religious overtones and you could easily see Sadaam being remembered favorably in the Arab world.

      January 4, 2007- It's a great day to be an American!

      by jah4168 on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 08:58:51 PM PDT

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    •  Well that's what you're going to see (0+ / 0-)

      the media report. I'm talking about what I am hearing folks say in private. Trust me on this one, we lost the PR high ground on this one big-time. Had they hung him even a week or two later, at least we would avoid some of the martyrdom crap.

      It's like hanging a man on Christmas eve... only worse, much worse.

  •  thanks for your incite (1+ / 0-)

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    It is interesting to hear these things from your perspective.  I actually argued with my wife tonight about how stupid it was to hang Sadaam period.  That was without factoring in your points about Eid and forgiveness.  Sadaam was anything but a martyr in life, it is tragic that we made him into one in death.

    January 4, 2007- It's a great day to be an American!

    by jah4168 on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 08:51:40 PM PDT

  •  He is the very definition of a martyr Islamically (3+ / 0-)

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    Sadly, this evil man has become the textbook defintion of a martyr by what the United States has done, which is executing him on a day when Islamically, amnesty/mercy is to be given.

    This isn't a subjective thing; WTF does general public opinion from what is basically an ethnic group (ie the Shia'a in Iraq etc.) who was oppressed by this bad man have to do with whether or not he fits the definition of being a martyr?

    Whether or not someone fits the profile of being a martyr Islamically is not based on public opinion; there are ceratain very specific criteria that must be met.

    Moses perhaps you could go over those criteria? I am horrible with specific details but understand the general idea very well.

    ???

    Period, he was stupidly martyred by idiodic people in my own government.

    What a catastrophe!

    •  well (1+ / 0-)

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      I don't want to get too bogged down in Islamic law here, but let's just say that the bar for being a martyr is set pretty low... it's a fairly easy thing to achieve.

      Speaking truth to a tyrant, and then being killed by him is one way, as is dying by any means while on the path of God. Dying defending one's home, property, or family is another. All children die as martyrs, as well as most people who are made to suffer.

      Essentially almost anyone who is killed unjustly will be a martyr. Not that he was, per se, mind you... but in the minds of many, he will be perceived that way, and that's what really counts... if people perceive him as one, then we get backflash from it.

      It's all about perceptions, and Bush really blew this one (assuming of course that he actually wants Iraq to stabilize....).

  •  Iraq stability wasn't part of the calculus (3+ / 0-)

    It's all about perceptions on the home front --- Iraq is already fu**ed in Bush's mind (and in everyone else's mind as well).  It can, and probably will get worse in Iraq, but Bush's close followers and advisors are of the belief that "They already hate us." WIth that attitude, it can't get any worse in their minds.

    Bush wants to cover up the milestone of 3000 US deaths in Iraq and the cable debate about Ford's criticism of Bush from the grave that Woodward published. It's all about control of a few media cycles; the hell with everything else.    

    Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity. Horace Mann (and btw, the bike in kayakbiker is a bicycle)

    by Kayakbiker on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 09:03:30 PM PDT

  •  Tags fixed (1+ / 0-)

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    "Bush" changed to "George W. Bush"; we need to distinguish this bush from all the other similarly-named shrubs. Also, "Saddam" changed to "Saddam Hussein".

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    by sardonyx on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 09:25:33 PM PDT

  •  Bush or Shias? (1+ / 0-)

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    I presume you are Sunni as the Shia day of Arafat and the other days are one later in the Shia community. You will know the significance of this. The execution was carried out by Shia, loyal to al-Sadr whose father's name they taunted him with. CNN did a translation of the words on the unofficial video and these show that Saddam's last words were "I bear witness ...", the opening of the Shahada. The execution was after a further trial about his attacks on the Kurds had started and before a trial on his attempted genocide of the Marsh Arabs had begun. Those groups were denied the chance of having high profile examination of the most grevous crimes against them.

    All of these seem to point to the execution being an assertion by the Shias of their ascendency rather than any judicial process. To a large extent then your phrasing of the situation ("Bush killed ...") is both a hopeful and worrying sign. If this is seen as organised by the Americans rather than the Shia, the focus of attacks motivated by his death will be against the American presence. Obviously that is bad for the poor victims of this perception but it has as up side. What if the Shia as a group were directly blamed? Iran has already officially welcomed the execution. In Iraq the actions "by the Shia" would further exacerbate the seeming unstoppable march to civil war. Wider, it could even generate a schism in the Ummah, especially if there are any unfortunate events in Makkah after everyone has completed the Hajj.

    "That's an entirely valid point" - MBNYC

    by londonbear on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 09:30:22 PM PDT

    •  I have no doubt that both the Shia (1+ / 0-)

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      and the US will suffer some backlash from this. The question of who orchestrated this is probably going to be answered differently by different groups... the truth almost doesn't matter... if this was orchestrated solely by the Shia for instance, the US will still be a target for blame, and be solely responsible in the minds of many people.

      I tend to suspect that it wasn't the Shia pushing for this date though. Even though they may celebrate Eid tomorrow (as do some Sunni, mind you), killing a man during Hajj would be perceived as pretty bad form in any case. Also if any one (of three million) Hajjis dedicates his Hajj to Saddam, and he (Saddam) dies during the interim... he gets an automatic reservation in heaven... I don't think the Shia would want to risk that.

      •  tomorrow = today (0+ / 0-)

        it's getting late!

        •  That pesky moon (1+ / 0-)

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          no problem I knew what you meant and I am on GMT. I used to work in an area with a very large Bangladeshi population and we had various groups who depended on sitings either in Makkah (new offficial spelling of Mecca by the way) or in Sylhet where most came from. We even had a small number who used a London sighting. It caused chaos when the holy day fell on a school day as we could never determine which day the children would be at home for the Eid so could never plan to have an official vacation day.

          "That's an entirely valid point" - MBNYC

          by londonbear on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 10:18:24 PM PDT

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  •  Ali not brother-in-law but son-in-law (1+ / 0-)

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    he was the cousin of the Prophet and married Fatima, the Prophet's daughter and thus also became his son-in-law.  The fourth Caliph (and considered by the Sunni the last Rightly Guided Caliphs, although by the Shi'a the first of True Caliphs (and there are more complications into which I won't go), he was struck in the head by a sword while at prayers in Kufa (in Iraq) on the 19th of Ramadan in 662, dying 2 days later.  Although buried secretly, he is considered by Shia to be buried at Najaf.

    He is also the father of Husayn, killed at the battle of Karbala in 680.  His death is commemorated on Ahura, a sacred day for Shi'a.

    You might want to fix the diary.

    oh, and btw, Shi'a is short for Shi'at Ali, which means the Party of Ali

    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

    by teacherken on Sun Dec 31, 2006 at 05:30:59 AM PDT

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