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Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 08:26:52 AM PDT

LoganFerree and a gnostic have related diaries today on the article by Brink Lindsey, a honcho from the libertarian Cato Institute, in the current issue of The New Republic. (No, I do not defend every position TNR has taken in the last several years.) Lindsey seeks to advance the "libertarian Democrat" discussion that, so far as I know, was kicked off by our very own Kos.

LoganFerree and a gnostic take a broad philosophical approach. I post this separate diary to address Lindsey's policy proposals on particular issues. Basically, I think Lindsey is significantly (but not completely) on target.

Below the fold: extended quotation from the Lindsey article, a link to it, and my reactions on specific issues. And a poll! Gotta have a poll!

Regretfully, the full article is available to TNR subscribers only. The printer-friendly version, which I find easier to read on-screen, is here.

The gist:

Can a new, progressive fusionism break out of the current rut? Liberals and libertarians already share considerable common ground, if they could just see past their differences to recognize it. Both generally support a more open immigration policy. Both reject the religious right's homophobia and blastocystophilia. Both are open to rethinking the country's draconian drug policies. Both seek to protect the United States from terrorism without gratuitous encroachments on civil liberties or extensions of executive power. And underlying all these policy positions is a shared philosophical commitment to individual autonomy as a core political value.

The central challenge in cementing a new fusionist alliance--and, make no mistake, it is a daunting one--is to elaborate a vision of economic policy, and policy reform, that both liberals and libertarians can support. Here, again, both sides seek to promote individual autonomy; but their conceptions differ as to the chief threats to that autonomy. Libertarians worry primarily about constraints imposed by government, while liberals worry most about constraints imposed by birth and the play of economic forces.

The basic outlines of a viable compromise are clear enough. On the one hand, restrictions on competition and burdens on private initiative would be lifted to encourage vigorous economic growth and development. At the same time, some of the resulting wealth-creation would be used to improve safety-net policies that help those at the bottom and ameliorate the hardships inflicted by economic change. Translating such abstractions into workable policy doubtlessly would be contentious. But the most difficult thing here is not working out details--it is agreeing to try. And, as part of that, agreeing on how to make the attempt: namely, by treating economic policy issues as technical, empirical questions about what does and doesn't work, rather than as tests of ideological commitment.

Allow me to hazard a few more specific suggestions about what a liberal-libertarian entente on economics might look like. Let's start with the comparatively easy stuff: farm subsidies and other corporate welfare. Progressive organizations like Oxfam and the Environmental Working Group have already joined with free-market groups in pushing for ag-policy reform. And it's no wonder, since the current subsidy programs act as a regressive tax on low-income families here at home while depressing prices for exporters in poor countries abroad--and, to top it off, the lion's share of the loot goes to big agribusiness, not family farmers. Meanwhile, the president of Cato and the executive director of the Sierra Club have come out together in favor of a zero-subsidy energy policy. A nascent fusionism on these issues already exists; it merely needs encouragement and emphasis.

I'm with Lindsey on ag policy. I think the controversy on this issue could be largely defused by requiring US gasoline and diesel to have steadily-increasing percentages of ethanol and biodiesel. This would allow farmers to make a good living without subsidies, and would also help with CO2 and other pollutants.

Tax reform also offers the possibility of win-win bargains. The basic idea is simple: Shift taxes away from things we want more of and onto things we want less of. Specifically, cut taxes on savings and investment, cut payroll taxes on labor, and make up the shortfall with increased taxation of consumption. Go ahead, tax the rich, but don't do it when they're being productive. Tax them instead when they're splurging--by capping the deductibility of home-mortgage interest and tax incentives for purchasing health insurance. And tax everybody's energy consumption. All taxes impose costs on the economy, but at least energy taxes carry the silver lining of encouraging conservation--plus, because such taxes exert downward pressure on world oil prices, foreign oil monopolies would wind up getting stuck with part of the bill. Here again, fusionism is already in the air. Gore has proposed a straight-up swap of payroll taxes for carbon taxes, while Harvard economist (and former chairman of George W. Bush's Council of Economic Advisers) Greg Mankiw has been pushing for an increase in the gasoline tax.

Not only do I think Lindsey makes sense on the policy merits, I also think tax reform is a plum issue for Democrats to seize. We should take a lesson from Evil Master Karl Rove and campaign on our opponent's strength. Imagine the Dems pitching roughly this: "The tax code is riddled with loopholes that are only available to corporations and people wealthy enough to afford squads of accountants and tax lawyers. This has given the rich a windfall and left the children and grandchildren of the middle class up to their eyeballs in debt to the Chinese. We need a simpler, fairer, tax code that pays for American priorities with American funds."

Entitlement reform is probably the most difficult problem facing would-be fusionists. Here, libertarians' core commitments to personal responsibility and economy in government run headlong into progressives' core commitments to social insurance and an adequate safety net. Yet a fusionist synthesis is possible nevertheless, for the simple reason that some kind of compromise is ultimately unavoidable.

With millions already dependent on the current programs, and with baby boomers beginning to retire in just a couple of years, libertarians' dreams of dramatically shrinking federal spending are flatly unrealizable for many years to come. But liberals must face some hard facts as well. Spending on Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security is now projected to increase from about 9 percent of GDP today to approximately 15 percent by 2030. Already, spending on the elderly consumes more than a third of the federal budget, and the fun is just getting started. If a fiscal crisis is to be averted, if economic growth is to be sustained, and if there is to be any money left to fund domestic programs for people under 65, the federal safety net is going to have to be recast.

One possible path toward constructive compromise lies in taking the concept of social insurance seriously. Insurance, to be worthy of the name, involves the pooling of funds to protect against risky contingencies; "social" insurance fulfills the same basic function but makes the government the insurer. Unemployment insurance is a species of legitimate social insurance; wage insurance, much talked about, would also qualify. But Social Security and Medicare as currently administered are not social insurance in any meaningful sense, because reaching retirement age and having health care expenses in old age are not risky, insurable events. On the contrary, in our affluent society, they are near certainties.

We can have true social insurance while maintaining fiscal soundness and economic vibrancy: We can fund the Earned Income Tax Credit and other programs for the poor; we can fund unemployment insurance and other programs for people dislocated by capitalism's creative destruction; we can fund public pensions for the indigent elderly; we can fund public health care for the poor and those faced with catastrophic expenses. What we cannot do is continue to fund universal entitlement programs that slosh money from one section of the middle class (people of working age) to another (the elderly)--not when most Americans are fully capable of saving for their own retirement needs. Instead, we need to move from the current pay-as-you-go approach to a system in which private savings would provide primary funding for the costs of old age.

Here I think Lindsey lets his ideology get in the way of the facts. The Dirty Little Secret of Social Security reform is that the system would be fine with some modest tweaking -- a little more revenue, a little less benefits paid out -- no fun, certainly, but hardly the Apocalypse it's been made out to be.

And on health care, Lindsey avoids the elephant in the room -- universal coverage. Medicare? Medicaid? We don't need no stinking Medicare/Medicaid. Covering everybody, including those currently enrolled in Medicare/Medicaid, would be CHEAPER than our current "system."

These are only suggestions, meant to start conversations and debates. If a new kind of fusionism is to have any chance for success, it must aim beyond the specifics of particular, present-day controversies. It must be based on a real intellectual movement, with intellectual coherence. A movement that, at the philosophical level, seeks some kind of reconciliation between Hayek and Rawls.

If such an exploration could be launched, liberal and libertarian thinkers would begin talking with one another and engaging one another regularly. Over time, they would come to see themselves as joined in a common endeavor. And, in the shared identity that would emerge, there would be plenty of room for continuing disagreements, even sharp ones, just as there is in any robust political movement.

Can liberals and libertarians really learn to work together? I don't know, but their alternative is most probably to languish separately.

All right, Kossacks. Have at it.

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  •  Tip jar. (6+ / 0-)

    I've never troll-rated anybody. Can I use my mojo to get into the Trusted Users skybox at Kos Stadium?

    -4.25, -4.87 "If the truth were self-evident, there would be no need for eloquence." -- Cicero

    by HeyMikey on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 08:24:44 AM PDT

  •  Unnecessary and unrealistic (2+ / 0-)

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    Liberals have no need of this kind of fusionism.

    For elective purposes, sure, it's useful to find some common ground on a few particular issues, like Bush's abuses of power. But on economic and social issues, libertarians have nothing positive to offer liberals, nor are our ideas so troubled and weak that we need to reinforce them with concepts that are frankly antithetical.

    Liberals don't give a fuck about the size of government or federal spending, so long as it is effective at what it sets out to do. If more can accomplish good goals without causing wider problems, great. But we rightly look askance on libertarians' fetish for cutting government, and as you pointed our, their deep desire to gut social program spending is very problematic.

    Libertarians should stick to articulating their own ideas instead of trying to glom onto or stealing ours.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
    Neither is California High Speed Rail

    by eugene on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 08:37:20 AM PDT

    •  Nicely said! (0+ / 0-)

      Liberals don't give a fuck about the size of government or federal spending, so long as it is effective at what it sets out to do. If more can accomplish good goals without causing wider problems, great.

      Exactly!  The question isn't "Are your taxes too high?"  It's "Are you getting your money's worth?".

      -7.75 -4.67

      "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

      by Odysseus on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 09:45:54 AM PDT

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    •  Breaking legs and handing out crutches (1+ / 0-)

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      The government breaks legs and hands out crutches to the victims.  We don't want to stop it handing out crutches; we want to stop it breaking legs.

    •  The point Lindsey was making (0+ / 0-)

      was that something must be done to address Libertarian concerns if the Democrats wish to continue counting on their votes in the future.

      He lays out some valid points for why Libertarians are closer to the Democrats platform than the Republicans. He then points to 3 specific areas where the Democrats and Liberarians have (what seem to be) large disagreements...

  •  Lindsey's totally wrong on entitlements (7+ / 0-)

    I think LIBERTARIAN arguments could be made for Social Security and single-payer health care - not "Libertarian Party" arguments or Ayn Rand social Darwinist wannabe crap, but serious discussion of the value of a safety net for FREEDOM.

    (Oh, and Lindsey being wrong... shrink the fracking military budget to something liberals and libertarians can agree on and the spare money for entitlements goes WAY up)

    Take this example... say, you want to start your own business.  That's a classic small-L libertarian dream, and something liberals equally support.  The problem is, if you have a small business it's VERY hard to get health insurance, and impossible to get it in a way cost-competitive with large corporations and their negotiating power.  And since insurance is such a hassle and expense, it's also hard to hire employees for your small but growing business!  So universal health care, run as an entitlement program, makes us MORE FREE.  We can take breaks from our jobs, or start new businesses, without fear for our very lives and livelihoods.  THAT is how you sell it to libertarians.

    I trust Obama's judgment more than I trust my own. Why are YOU telling him what to do?

    by Leggy Starlitz on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 08:55:37 AM PDT

    •  GOOD POINT. (3+ / 0-)

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      I am self-employed and have one assistant. Thank God, my wife works for a big corporation that provides health coverage for our whole family, and my assistant is over 65, so she's on Medicare. Otherwise, I'd be up the creek for health care.

      -4.25, -4.87 "If the truth were self-evident, there would be no need for eloquence." -- Cicero

      by HeyMikey on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 09:28:03 AM PDT

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      •  libertarian is about FREEDOM, not taxes! (2+ / 0-)

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        That's how the argument must be framed.  And I think it can be easily done... the libertarian-inclined have been totally screwed by the GOP and are willing to listen, if the Democrats can make new and appealing arguments.

        I trust Obama's judgment more than I trust my own. Why are YOU telling him what to do?

        by Leggy Starlitz on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 09:32:06 AM PDT

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  •  The REAL liberaltarians I know (5+ / 0-)

    are those who have come from, or have flirted with, the true radical libertarian left (anarchist, council communist, etc. -- the ones who had the term 'libertarian' first).

    I've been putting off making a big diary about lessons progressives can learn from the libertarian left, but suffice it to say, most mainstream Libertarians nowadays (i.e. the ones with the biggest megaphones) only get it half right.

    They see danger in the coercive nature of government power, but largely gloss over the coercive nature of private economic power.

    Any real task of democratizing society will have to include the democratization of the economy, starting with the workplace. Politically, we live in a democracy, but for the large majority of our productive lives we live under dictatorships. That needs to be addressed and ameliorated.

    Our school systems (both K-12 and higher) could also use a good sledgehammer to their calcified and ultimately counterproductive bureaucracies. The Greek universities as I understand them have virtually no dedicated administration, that those tasks are done by faculty and students. Concepts such as student-elected professors and the democratizing of Boards of Trustees should be fleshed out (the great folks at the Democratizing Education Network are starting on this stuff).

    Right-libertarians want to pass centralized government power over to the free market of private economic actors. Left-libertarians want to pass that power over to the people themselves. We would do well to look at examples of Participatory Democracy in Porto Alegre, Brazil, and Montreal, Canada.

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    by Liberaltarian on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 09:40:29 AM PDT

    •  school administration (4+ / 0-)

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      My children go to a charter school that has no administration... it's run as a teacher's cooperative.  I jokingly refer to it as the Socialist Worker's Paradise school, but I must say, it works well.  The problem is scalability... we'd have to depend heavily on large numbers of small schools.  They can do it because they have only 25-30 students per grade for 7-12.  If there were more students, they'd probably need dedicated administration.

      I trust Obama's judgment more than I trust my own. Why are YOU telling him what to do?

      by Leggy Starlitz on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 10:05:43 AM PDT

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      •  Neat! (1+ / 0-)

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        I'm fascinated by that... Please, what is the name of your school?

        The closest thing I've had any direct experience with is the Albany Free School, which to continue your metaphor, would probably be referred to as the Anarchist Nonworker's Paradise school... ;)

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        by Liberaltarian on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 10:54:17 AM PDT

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        •  Avalon School (3+ / 0-)

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          Avalon School in St Paul, MN.

          Minnesota has a TERRIFIC system of charter schools and open enrollment.  At least in the cities, school choice is just fabulous.  I'm always using our system as a rebuttal to the voucher crowd to show that you don't need vouchers to provide school choice or variety.

          I trust Obama's judgment more than I trust my own. Why are YOU telling him what to do?

          by Leggy Starlitz on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 11:16:43 AM PDT

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          •  Have you diaried this? (2+ / 0-)

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            Here, in South Carolina, "School Choice" was the main issue in the big Superintendent of Education election in November, and here, "school choice" means "vouchers."  I'm for school choice in principle, but have never seen a voucher program that wasn't a wealth transfer from the poor to the wealthy.

            If you haven't already diaried about Minnesota's system of school choice, could you, would you?  I'd like to see an alternative.

            •  yep (2+ / 0-)

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              I diaried about it a while back, although my kids were at a different school then (also a charter).  Mostly, I was arguing for a rethinking of the "school choice" issue and recasting it as  LIBERAL value, by ditching vouchers and relying on open enrollment and charters, as Minnesota does.  Maybe I'll bring it up again sometime... that last diary wasn't as successful as I'd hoped.

              Anyway, the key point I like to make is that vouchers aren't about choice, they're about privatization.  It's clearly possible to provide choice without privatization - Minnesota does it.

              I trust Obama's judgment more than I trust my own. Why are YOU telling him what to do?

              by Leggy Starlitz on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 01:26:04 PM PDT

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    •  Private economic power is not coersive (0+ / 0-)

      in the sense that government is.  While I can be in a position to not like any of the choices I have in the marketplace, I will not be forced under penalty of imprisonment to select them.

      Microsoft may dominate the operating system market but I don't even have to have a computer.  I choose to do so, and I choose to use Windows.  I am not, however under threat of incarceration if I choose not to.

      Clearly economic power can generate a situation where we do not like any of our choices.  Nevertheless, the power of force is reserved for the government.

      •  The point I was making (2+ / 0-)

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        was more about the workplace side of capitalism, not the market side. We should be working toward a world where democracy in the workplace is more the rule than the exception, especially in light of studies that show the economic, social and psychological benefits of real worker empowerment (not simply focus groups or basic unionism).

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        by Liberaltarian on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 11:13:24 AM PDT

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      •  It can be... (2+ / 0-)

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        ...with the government's help.

        For example, you are required by the government to have auto insurance (if you own a car).  If you "choose" not to pay for housing, you can be imprisoned for vagrancy.

        True, in each of these cases, it's the government using force.  But you're basically saying that if two people rob you, one of them pointing a gun at you and the other one holding the bag, only the one with the gun is robbing you.

        •  That's the government again (0+ / 0-)

          With the power to use force.  Of course, as you point out, once you decide that the government can do something for the common good, then powerful lobbies will divert the power of the government to their good.  It's one of the reasons that libertarians want as little government as possible.  Most attempts at regulation wind up being subverted to protecting powerful interests. This is not a new concept. Consumer protection laws in the Middle Ages were used to protect the guilds from competition.

          And yes, the one with the gun is the one robbing you.  Without it, you have no requirement to put your money in the bag.  

      •  Corporations are parisitic entities. (1+ / 0-)

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        I'm libertarian twords owner operated buisiness, but corporations are not people, dispite what the supreme court thinks, and are intitled to no libertarian freedoms, IMHO.

        Just when they think they've got the answer, I change the question. -Roddy Piper

        by McGirk on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 01:32:24 PM PDT

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        •  It's not so hard and fast (0+ / 0-)

          I run a small corporation.  I employ a little over 25 employees in two states.  By being a corporation, I can have officers able to sign documents, rent property and can share equity with my employees without having to go through a business restructuring everytime someone goes or leaves as I would if it is a partnership.

          The corporation as a legal entity allows it to continue in operation, and it's employees to continue to be employed if ownership changes.  I'm not sure how a large company would operate if it could not deal with the world as an entity but had to have the several thousand owners sign every document renting property etc.

    •  Real Libertarians (3+ / 0-)

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      I have this pattern..

      Politically, we live in a democracy, but for the large majority of our productive lives we live under dictatorships.

      I'm currently reading After Capitalism: From managerialism to workplace democracy.  One of the things this book does a wonderful job of is showing the relationship between the growth of the welfare/warfare state and the corporate/managerialist workplace.  The government and the corporation are two halves of the same system of accumulation of control.

      It seems to me that a working fusion between left-libertarians and progressives will involve jettisoning the Cold War Liberals, who are committed to the accumulation of power within one or the other half of this system.

      •  I've heard (2+ / 0-)

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        good things about that book. I'll have to check it out, though I'm sure I'll agree with pretty much all of it.

        For those not ready to dump "capitalism" per se, it's useful to look at the managerial model of Brazilian firm Semco and the firm that makes Gore-Tex. Both have been wildly successful, and both follow, for the most part, total worker democracy.

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        by Liberaltarian on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 12:47:07 PM PDT

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  •  A social security fix that I put forth as grist (4+ / 0-)

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    for the discussion mill:

    We need to increase revenue coming in to social security, now I am not going to discuss any tax increases or revenue cap removals here but rather ways of improving the yield on the interest.

    1.  Make available a one time mortgage at prime +3-5% fixed.  The amount should not exceed $125-145k and is partially leveraged by the applicants benefits(default and get a lower pension check).  This would increase the interest earned while at the same time giving those Americans having the hardest time qualifying for a decent rate mortgage who would also be the most reliant upon SS for their retirement income an asset that they can leverage to pay for their kids college or sell after it has appreciated to supplement retirement.  The fact that it would in many cases give each of them money in their pocket each month through a lower mortgage payment doesn't hurt the economy any either.
    1.  Once a person has enough hours in to qualify for SS take 25% of their expected pay-out and provide them a secured line of credit with a fixed 7-10% interest rate.  This could take the form of a credit card that they could use day to day.  Now considering the amount that Americans hit the plastic, the power of the revolving charge card could be turned to the benefit of the retirements of us all.  Once more they are placing a portion of their SS at risk so defaulting costs the system little if anything.  And we could lower the at risk amount to 12% if we like.

    Both of these would provide a service to the people, would stick an eye into industries that have a very bad habit of bending people over barrels and shoving large objects up them, and would increase the interest income coming in over that provided by treasury bonds.

  •  Not to mention that (3+ / 0-)

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    libertarian Democrats would give us the edge to knock off DLCers in the primaries.  
    This fusion is happening on it's own. It's the result of Neocons in the Rethug party and the DLC incorporating everything that sucked about the extreme left and everything that sucked about the extreme right into a philosophy that extremely sucks.

    Just when they think they've got the answer, I change the question. -Roddy Piper

    by McGirk on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 11:07:51 AM PDT

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