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The secret formula to win in 2008

Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 07:51:54 AM PDT

Several years ago, I worked with another scientist (Eric Schulman) on an "empiric" formula to predict presidential elections.  It was a joke, published in the Annals of Improbable Research Online.

However, it ended up being correct in the 2004 elections (and it was a retrospective "I told you so" for backers of Howard Dean or Wesley Clark.

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The formula, and its implications for the current Presidential Cattle Call (and by extension, the downstream Congressional Races) below the fold ....

Warning: Obama fans will not be happy, but neither will most people

The formula is as follows:

Presidential Electability = 5*(years as President) + years as U.S. Representative + 11*(years as Governor),
    +110 if the candidate has been a four- or five-star general officer in the United States Armed Forces,
    +110 if the candidate has been a college or university president or chancellor,
    +110 if the candidate is the child of a U.S. Senator,
    –110 if the candidate has been divorced,
    –110 if the candidate has been a special prosecutor,
    –110 if the candidate was the first adherent of a particular religion (e.g., Protestantism, Deism, or Catholicism) to be a major-party candidate for President,
    –110 if the candidate was an officer of a lobbying organization at the time of the election.
     
Vice Presidential Electability = 4*(years as Vice President) + years as U.S. Representative + years as Governor,
    +110 if the candidate has been a corporate banker,
    +110 if the candidate has been a college or university president or chancellor,
    +110 if the candidate is the child of a U.S. Senator,
    –110 if the candidate was the first adherent of a particular religion (e.g., Protestantism, Deism, Catholicism, or Judaism) to be a major-party candidate for Vice President,
    –110 if the candidate was an officer of a lobbying organization at the time of the election.

Add the two together for the two major party tickets, and voila!  You have a winner.

This formula was based on every election from Washington's first to Bush vs Gore.

It doesn't state who wins the popular vote or who ACTUALLY won the states fairly ... it states who wins, by hook or by crook.

The full details and every election result are at the website.

Now if you look at the current crop of Dems ... as listed in the straw poll ...

Edwards      28   15   8   7   8  12  10   7   7
Obama        28
Clark        26   17  15  15  22  26  34  35  34
H. Clinton    5    2   2   2   3   6   8   9  10
Richardson    4    2   1   2   3   5   3   4   4
Kerry         1    2   1   1   3   2   2   1   2
Bayh          1    1   1   1   1   1   1   2
Vilsack       0    0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Biden         1    1   1   1   1   3   3   3
Gravel        0
Dodd          0    0   0

Only Clark and Bayh are superstars (Bayh is a senator's son and a former governor.  Richardson and Vilsack have a prayer.  The rest are cannon fodder.  Including Edwards and Obama.

I don't like Bayh either, although making him VP could be harmless.  So, an Obama-Bayh ticket could be okay.

And the GOP isn't looking too good either.  McCain is a divorced Senator.  Giuliani is a twice-divorced former special prosecutor.  Romney is a Mormon, and they've never been nominated to the Presidency on either party's ticket before.  In fact, only Rice could do okay (former University provost, which is a stretch of the current rule listed above for University presidents) and she isn't getting nominated.  Ditto for Jeb (although look out if he's ever nominated in the future).

So, as silly as it seems to follow something I devised as a prank, I'm supporting Clark.  And if Edwards or Obama or any of the Senators comes out on top, I'm supporting a VP like Clark, Richardson, Vilsack, or god help us ... Bayh.

And I may even talk up Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, and McCain in mixed company.

Heck, if you REALLY want to cause trouble ... post this formula at Free Republic or Red State.  I won't dare go there myself, but it could cause a great deal of discord.

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  •  Where's Gore in these calculations? (3+ / 0-)

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    Sherri in TX, cRedd, CTDemoFarmer

    Sic Transit Gloria Locavore!

    by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 07:51:41 AM PDT

    •  Ditto that! (1+ / 0-)

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      cRedd

      I'd like to see where Gore stands.

      The day may come, when the rest of the animal creation may acquire those rights which never could have been withholden from them but by the hand of tyranny.

      by Tetris on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 08:02:16 AM PDT

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      •  Go to the website (0+ / 0-)

        Gore is actually a HIGHLY scoring candidate.

        Where he went wrong was picking Lieberman, who was the first nominated Jewish VP candidate.

        Of course, where he went wrong in general was picking Lieberman.

        •  how come years as VP (1+ / 0-)

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          cRedd

          don't appear in the formula?

          You're wrong about Lieberman affecting negatively in the general. In the exit polls, 18% said his religion made him a better VP, and 10% said worse, so a net plus (on the religion front, which is what is being factored in here).

          Gore was handicapped by the Clinton impeachment and hampered by media bias. If it weren't for these, he would have won in a landslide. Seriously.

          People have estimated the Clinton factor to have cost Gore about 8 points in the spread, and I'd give another 7 points to the media's shoddy and biased work in 2000. Add 15 points to Gore's populuar vote victory, you have a 16 point Gore edge over Bush, i.e. it would have been Gore (56), Bush (40), Nader (3), Other(1), and that would have given a landslide electoral college victory for Gore.

          •  media bias all the way (0+ / 0-)

            i don't even think Clinton was that big-a-factor

            it was false scandals like:

            buddhist-temple-gate
            internet-invention-gate
            love-story-gate
            sigh-gate
            not-being-a-republican-gate

            etc.

            (By the way - I did email you back but not sure if you got it - sometimes my domain seems to be being spoofed by spammers so it can get filtered out - had another interesting possibility to help with the website stuff so let me know if you are getting my email)

            No single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood

            by ResponsibleAccountable on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 10:58:10 AM PDT

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  •  possible error? not sure... (0+ / 0-)

    Presidential Electability = 5*(years as President) + years as U.S. Representative + 11*(years as Governor),

    is that supposed to be "Senator"?

    •  Maybe... (1+ / 0-)

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      cRedd

      ...the "president" part gives an advantage to incumbentt presidents?  

      ...does being a vice president help at all in a bid for the presidency?  

      The day may come, when the rest of the animal creation may acquire those rights which never could have been withholden from them but by the hand of tyranny.

      by Tetris on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 08:02:49 AM PDT

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      •  Yes (1+ / 0-)

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        cRedd

        Being VP helps your ticket get re-elected.

        Being VP helps to become president.

        Senator doesn't help to do anything except boost your child's chances of becoming president.

        Let me say that again.

        SENATORS LOSE.

        •  Ok, but that says President (0+ / 0-)

          shouldn't it say "Vice President" then? Obviously, if you included incumbent presidents, the effect of being president would have a much greater effect than being a governor...

        •  i know - i don't know why this hasn't sunk in (0+ / 0-)

          to anyone either on this site - or the pro-McCain Republicans

          Senators lose.  Wasn't the last one to win Kennedy or Johnson or someone?  At least without being a VP first.

          Cannot be bothered to check, but I think that is right... not a good track record...

          and as far as I am concerned this makes the following REALLY bad bets as candidates:

          Obama
          Clinton
          Kerry
          Biden (what is he thinking?)
          Probably even Edwards, but maybe being away from the Senate long enough negates your time in it or some other such superstition.

          Gore, Clark, Edwards... those are my choices... now I think Obama is a great VP prospect - but even there I think there is a tendancy on the left to discount the strength of racism in voting preferences - and just a few percent swings elections - sad but true.

          No single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood

          by ResponsibleAccountable on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 11:02:01 AM PDT

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  •  You lost me at "Bayh is a superstar." (1+ / 0-)

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    condorcet

    That calculus is a bigger load of shit than the BCS.

    A Vote For John Edwards Is A Vote For Yourself. Iowa Underground

    by ThunderHawk13 on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 08:04:38 AM PDT

    •  Go to the website (0+ / 0-)

      There are two caveats:

      1. This only looks at the ticket matchups in the General.  Bayh may not be able to get nominated.
      1. Bayh is a loathesome toad.  He's only a superstar if he can get nominated or picked as VP, and ONLY in so far as he enhances electability.  I still hate him.
  •  it may be good overall (0+ / 0-)

    but not when dealing w/ only 12 ppl.

    needless to say, voters aren't resume calculators.

    anything that puts bayh that far up i can't trust.

  •  Hmmm, (0+ / 0-)

    I can't say I buy the "formula", but I do like the results for Clark!  Since Clark's particular strengths are so critical to our nation now, I'll lend support to anything that makes people look at him as a viable, electable candidate.  Therefore, you easily get a 'recommend'from me!

    "If we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom" Samuel Adams

    by cRedd on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 09:54:59 AM PDT

  •  fascinating. and very cool! (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks for sharing your work.  I see myself spending a lot of time playing with possibilities.

    Can I suggest that your formula might be better received if you explain what an empirical relationship is?  Some of the comments challenging your assumptions seem to be based on a lack of understanding of empirical formulas.

    The best example I can think of off the top of my head is one from my engineering education - it's for the flow of water through an opening in a dam.  We can't explain or derive an answer through theory, but by running 1000 experiments and measuring the flow, the depth of water, and the size of the opening every time, we can determine a relationship so that if we know the water depth and size of opening, we can predict the water flow out of it.  This is the same idea.  It doesn't matter if the "logic" doesn't "make sense" to anybody... it just is what it is. And it looks like a great predictor to me!

    One final comment about the website - in your table for 2004 candidates, I think you list Dean's years as governor (12) instead of the points he gets for those years (11*12 = 132).

    Thanks again!

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