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WH Press Briefing: Where to begin and WTF?

Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:16:29 PM PDT

It will come as no surprise that during today's White House press briefing, Dick Cheney's hunting adventure was the hot topic.  Are you thinking, "boring," or, "I'm sooo tired of this story?"  That's where I was...but after Scott's performance this afternoon?  I'm now wondering if the Dick-shot-man story will be going away soon.  

First a few fun questions posed (hurled) today:

Q: How is that possible?

Q: Oh, come on! Scott?  -- that's ridiculous --

Q Are you kidding?

But before trying to sort out Scott's confusing answers and mangled timeline, I'd like to share the comedic genius that is Scott McClellan...today he said:

And of course, in a position like mine, I was urging that that information be made available as quickly as possible.

Of course. Anyway, the press briefing...

The first question out of the box:

Q Scott, do you think that the shooting accident involving the vice president on Saturday should have been disclosed to the public on Saturday?

Simple and to the point, right?  Scott chose the let's-imply-you're-heartless-response, one which he returned to repeatedly throughout the briefing:

MR. MCCLELLAN: Well, I think that the first priority was making sure that Harry Whittington, Mr. Whittington, was getting the medical care that he needed. And I think that's where everybody's attention should have been focused and was focused when the hunting accident took place.

Of course, I don't recall anyone arguing that Mr. Whittington should have been left bleeding in the field while they rushed to inform the press, so Scott (as per usual) wasn't bothering to address the actual question.  Then Scott gave what had to be the most unlikely explanation for the delay in getting the information out.

The initial report that we received was that there had been a hunting accident. We didn't know who all was involved, but a member of his party was involved in that hunting accident, and then additional details continued to come in overnight.

Does anyone honestly believe that in this day of instant communication, never mind that we're talking about the Vice President, that the White House didn't immediately know:  that Cheney shot a man, who the man was, what the man's condition was and who was present during the incident?  But this White House wants us to believe that it wasn't until 7:00 or 8:00 that night that George Bush even knew that Cheney was the shooter and not the victim.  I don't buy it and neither was anyone else in the room.  Scott said (about Bush being informed):

MR. MCCLELLAN: No, I think initially, again, Andy had the same report that I had, or a very similar report to what I had, and so we didn't know who was involved. But then there was additional information that was coming in later in the night -- or later in the day and on into the morning.

Q (Off mike) -- the vice president and find out that he was the shooter. How is that possible?

MR. MCCLELLAN: Well, Kelly, I can only tell you what the facts are.

But facts were in short supply.  Several times, Scott said that they had to wait for the information to "come together" and that new details were coming in, "all the way until 3:00 in the morning," but he could never explain why it would take so long to get the details of what should be a straight story.  Who was shot and their condition, who shot him, how did it happen, who was there?  The White House was monitoring events out the Situation Room, for crying out loud.  Hell, why didn't someone just pick up the phone and ask Dick what happened?  Scott explained:

MR. MCCLELLAN: There wasn't a press corps traveling with the vice president. He didn't have his full entourage that he might have on other trips, official trips. This was a weekend hunting trip.

And then secondary to that is gathering the facts. And so you want to get the facts together, so you can provide that information to the public. And I think that's important to do. And so they gathered facts together, and those facts were coming back to us throughout the evening and into the morning hours of Sunday.

Q Who was gathering the facts? Who was --

MR. MCCLELLAN: I'm sorry?

Q Who was doing that?

MR. MCCLELLAN: Well, I think there's information on the ground there, as well as information then being provided -- from the ground there being provided back here.

Q Right, and who was doing the providing? And who were they providing it to?

MR. MCCLELLAN: Well, people with the Vice President's Office. I think he can probably -- I will check with his office on more specifics.

Why couldn't Scott answer this simple question?

Q But when did the president specifically know that the vice president had shot somebody?

MR. MCCLELLAN: I'm sorry?

Q When did the president know that the vice president --

MR. MCCLELLAN: He was learning additional details into that evening, on Saturday --

And when pressed?

Q But you've got like a -- you've got a situation room here. You've got people who monitor stuff. It's impossible to find out -- I mean, the vice president knew immediately, "Oh, no! I've shot somebody accidentally," and it takes 24 hours --

MR. MCCLELLAN: Well -- and you know what his first reaction was? His first reaction was go to Mr. Whittington and get his team in there to provide him medical care.

And how about how the story finally came out?  When asked why the White House wasn't the one who announced the story, Scott said:

MR. MCCLELLAN:...Now, the vice president agreed with Mrs. Armstrong that it was best that she provide that information publicly first.

But he can't really explain why that would be best (or even make sense, for that matter):

Q I just want to clarify one thing. Is it appropriate for a private citizen to be the person to disseminate the information that the vice president of the United States has been -- has shot someone?

MR. MCCLELLAN: That's one way to provide information to the public. The vice president's office worked with her -- well, I should say the vice president -- the vice president spoke with her directly and agreed that she should --

I would certainly like another example of the White House having a host of the President or Vice President putting out the press release on their activities together.  And consider this:

Q Katharine Armstrong talked to CNN Sunday evening. She said that she thought this was going to become a story, so she was going to go to the local press.

She also told CNN that she did not believe the Vice President's Office was aware that she was going to go to the local press. How do you square that with your account --

MR. MCCLELLAN: The vice president spoke with her directly, and they agreed that she would make it public.

Q So you're saying that she's lying, that her --

MR. MCCLELLAN: No, you ought to check with her.

Q We did check with her. But you're saying that that's not correct.

MR. MCCLELLAN: The vice president spoke directly with Mrs. Armstrong, and they agreed that she would make the information public.

Scott makes a statement, it's pointed out that he just called Cheney's alibi a liar and his response is to simply repeat the statement and move on.  Interesting.

And frankly, on one of his many attempts to explain why the White House didn't handle announcing the details, Scott said something that I found extraordinary:

Q Let's just be clear here. The vice president of the United States accidentally shoots a man, and he feels that it's appropriate for a ranch owner who witnessed this to tell the local Corpus Christi newspaper and not the White House press corps at large, or notify the public in a national way?

MR. MCCLELLAN: Well, I think we all know that once it is made public, then it's going to be news and all of you are going to be seeking that information.

First they decided to "let" Mrs. Armstrong make the announcement, and now they were going to wait for the press to set the frame?  That strikes me as very unlikely.

And apparently the Vice President's office has been stonewalling the press:

Q You've repeatedly said that the vice president's office will share this information with us. Will you tell us -- will you now ask them to share this information with us, because they're not.

MR. MCCLELLAN: Share what information?

Q Details of what happened during the shooting incident --

MR. MCCLELLAN: I don't know the -- with the way you --

Q -- and more information about --

MR. MCCLELLAN: Well, Mrs. Armstrong provided that information. She was eyewitness to what took place.

Q Can we get someone from his office in here to answer?

Q Why can't we get someone from his office to answer the questions.

Q Yeah, get HIM.

I was picturing torches and pitchforks at the, "Yeah, get HIM."

There is much, much more and I urge you to read the entire transcript.   What should have been a story that was simply fodder for the late night comedians has become a mass of contradictions, unlikely explanations and downright bullshit.  Let me finish with a couple of my favorite questions, one pure snark:

Q Briefly back on the topic du jour, if I may. How long did it take until everyone involved was sure that Mr. Whittington was in the proper medical care that he needed? Did it take 12 to 14 hours?

And one eliciting an interesting response:

Q Is it proper for the vice president to offer his resignation, or has he offered his resignation?

MR. MCCLELLAN: Connie, that's an absurd question.

Didn't he say it was absurd to ask if Rove was involved in the CIA leak too?  ;-)

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  •  Seriously (3.98 / 69)

    This story just got more bizarre, in my book.

    Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

    by BarbinMD on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:17:53 PM PDT

    •  Shame on you Barb. (4.00 / 22)

      This is like shooting fish in a barrel!

      How exactly are all these people communicating? Via passenger pigeon?

      What's so hard about Peace, Love, and Truth and Progress?

      by melvin on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:23:47 PM PDT

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      •  Or like... (4.00 / 17)

        ...shooting 500 geese released right in front of me?  ;-)

        Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

        by BarbinMD on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:29:21 PM PDT

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        •  or a 78 yr old drunk guy (4.00 / 12)

          •  Hey B what do you think of this... (4.00 / 5)

            "Today vp dick Cheney was forced to resign after shooting a member of his hunting party in the face."

            "After it became clear the liberal media wouldn't let this non story drop the vp decided he had become a distraction from the real threats facing the nation and agreed stepping down was the best way to refocus the nation on the life and death struggle against radical islamist"

            "Jeb bush, the presidents brother has been nominated  to fill the vacancy and GOP insiders are saying the only way to win the war on terror is to assure a bush remains in the white house"

            "Reporting from deep, deep inside the white house I'm Jeff Gannon"

            •  The theme is correct (4.00 / 2)

              Though it will be health reasons related to stress. I feel a pinochet defense coming.

              The only misstep you've made is Jeb Bush. George Allen  (even without Gracie) is a more likely choice and he is starting to distance himself from Bush already. Of course the point of replacing Cheney is too have a smooth transition in 08. Both Condi and Jeb are natural assumptions, but to think the repubs would run or elect a black lesbian dominatrix is too surreal even for the 21st century. As for Jeb, evidently you're not aware of The Panda Photos, Neal 'hocked' them in the early nineties during the S & L fallout. If the Flight Attendent had died, he wouldn't even be Governor.

            •  Not Jeb, McCain (none / 0)

              I really don't think McCain has been so friendly with Dubya because he likes him.  Some kind of agreement going on there.
        •  or quail (4.00 / 7)

          or rabbits staked down spread eagle.

          CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

          by irate on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:00:52 PM PDT

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        •  If it weren't for us hunters... (4.00 / 3)

          A friend of mine, Mark French, wrote this tune.

          **

          Mistakes will happen, like shooting your nephew
          Told that fool to wear a brighter color red

          He was running across the field, looking just like a buck
          I took aim and shot him in the head

          If it weren't for us hunters, all the animals would be dead.

          **

          It's too bad I can't remember the rest.  It's so apropos for the moment.

          (Copyright Mark French)

          "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they kill, there would be no more wars." - Abbie Hoffman

          by Jensequitur on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:43:00 PM PDT

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      •  Cheney shot the last of the passenger pigeons (4.00 / 9)

        They found a few left in a cage for him to aim at.

        You can't be on the team, if you're not in the choir. Sorry.

        by peeder on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:36:35 PM PDT

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      •  Not by passenger pigeon (none / 0)

        Natural selection works.  Any pigeon dumb enough to volunteer for this was removed from the genetic pool long ago.
    •  I just don't understand... (4.00 / 11)

      how they could think that waiting, or, worse, trying to cover this up, would be of any benefit to this administration.  

      Just one more example of, "what were they thinking??"  Oh, but they would assume "thought" on their part, wouldn't it?  My bad!

      "No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a Party that ignores her sex." -- Susan B. Anthony http:www.twtp.org

      by Yellow Dog Dem Woman on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:25:17 PM PDT

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      •  reflex (4.00 / 7)

        they were looking for a way to link this to: 1) Iran, 2) terrorists, 3) Syria, 4) Iran and Syria and state sponsored terrorism, 5) Democrats

        As you can know, these boys are good, but even they are getting tired. So, it might take more than 12 hours. Evil is hard work.

      •  Covering Up (4.00 / 3)

        Is a tough habit to break...

        He was born with a gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.

        by Patrizio on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:19:36 PM PDT

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      •  hypothesis (3.85 / 7)

        What they might well have been avoiding was for this to become THE Sunday morning talk show topic.

        (I think one of the reporters in the pressroom this morning asked McClellan whether that was the reason the announcement was held back, and there was one of those non-answers given. I might have heard that somewhere else.)

        That strikes me as the likeliest motivation. And apparenty, Rove found out from I-don't-know-whom, and he's the one who calls Bush on Saturday night to tell him. You can imagine how that call went:

        R: Sir, the VP accidentally shot Wittington this afternoon.
        B: Is he ok?
        R. Yes, the injury is not life threatening, but he's bad off enough to be in blah blah blah.
        B: Does the media know?
        R. Not yet.
        B. Ok, good. Let's keep a lid on this until we figure out how to make the least poss splash with it. I did not need this.
        R. Yes, sir.

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        by oregon blue on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:46:28 PM PDT

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        •  Dean knew didn't he? (4.00 / 8)

               The comparison to Aaron Burr was just too good. Someone from the hospital tipped off Dean or this whole thing would have been covered up and forgotten. Deans statement on the Sunday talk shows was a shot acrossed the bow.

          CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

          by irate on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 05:36:35 PM PDT

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          •  well, ya know... (none / 1)

            I agree that the apropos-ness of Dean's characterization is very delicious, but I do not think he used it becuase he knew about the event. Burr's name was invoked because he personifies "traitor," and if Cheney really released Scooter to bandy Plame's name around, that would, in Dean's mind, constitute traitorousness. That Burr also happened to kill someone in a duel is an interesting parallel, but I think just a happy coincidence.

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            by oregon blue on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 05:56:11 PM PDT

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            •  No shit... (4.00 / 5)

              Burr could aim.
            •  Whether Dean knew or not..., (4.00 / 3)

              is probably immaterial. News of the shooting was released after the Sunday talk shows. Can you imagine what went thru Cheney and companies minds hearing him compared to Burr the day after his unannounced hunting accident? They gave up all thought of cover up thinking Dean had inside information.(Maybe he did). They are still sputtering making excuses for their half-day+ delay in releasing this to the press.

              CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

              by irate on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 07:02:12 PM PDT

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    •  And I am 100% positive (4.00 / 33)

      that the secret service detail with the VP spoke into their wrists that Cheney had just shot someone and within about 15 seconds the White House knew all the relevant details and went into crisis management mode.

      What they needed was time to rouse their lawyers and propagandists from their weekend activities.

      You can't be on the team, if you're not in the choir. Sorry.

      by peeder on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:28:07 PM PDT

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      •  Exactly (4.00 / 17)

        We know that's true...which is what makes this so bizarre.  What in the hell happened down there?  

        Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

        by BarbinMD on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:30:15 PM PDT

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      •  You know, (4.00 / 22)

        if the shitheads hadn't surrounded themselves with their Special Secret Cloak of Invisibility and Obfuscation, we wouldn't wonder about this crap.

        They do it their own fucking selves.  They make us distrust them.

        I'll betcha Cheney had been tippin' the bottle and he shot a man.  That's news; that's "crisis mode."

        Je suis inondé de déesses

        by Marc in KS on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:44:53 PM PDT

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        •  Yup (4.00 / 9)

          I think probably more than anything it's their obsession with secrecy that made them withhold the imformation for so long. It's an incredibly embarrassing story, after all. But they sure as hell are looking guilty.

          Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Ben Franklin

          by mcjoan on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:52:29 PM PDT

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          •  Maybe they were having (4.00 / 4)

            some sort of "energy task force" meeting down there, and they were concerned about who was there.

            How can they expect us to not think the worst when they make us do it?  Take the energy bill, e.g.: secret, Cheney fighting who was there, yada yada.  And when it finally comes out, all the oil and gas people were there, and it's an $80bn sop to oil and gas.

            WTF do they expect us to think?

            Je suis inondé de déesses

            by Marc in KS on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:56:04 PM PDT

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            •  LOL (4.00 / 13)

              You know, I could see this being the catalyst for the media turning on BushCo. Which would be insane. But things have been so fucking surreal for five years that it could happen. They could ignore all of the lies, all of the scandals, all of the corruption, all of the venality, and try to take them down because of a stupid drunken hunting accident.

              Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Ben Franklin

              by mcjoan on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:08:30 PM PDT

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              •  I could see that happening (4.00 / 4)

                Simply because, repugnant as all the lies, corruption, and outright felonies are, in the back of people's minds, covering those activities up makes sense (in a criminal sort of way). Covering up an accident, makes no sense whatsoever and leaves those same people wondering what the hell else happened besides the obvious.

                Not to mention the scads of "real" hunters out there who see this story and go "WTF?! What kind of maroon is he! He's giving us all a bad name!"

                Al Qaeda No. 2: "We don't kill innocents." GW Bush: "We don't torture." How tragic that both statements bring the same snort of disbelief....

                by PatsBard on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:15:23 PM PDT

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                •  From y'all's mouths to (4.00 / 2)

                  god's ear (if there be gods).

                  It'd be wild, but not impossible, that this is the thing that finally pushes people over the edge.

                  I just wonder if most people are as curious about it as we are.  We are, after all, the lunatic left.  (And I have a card in my wallet to prove it!)

                  Je suis inondé de déesses

                  by Marc in KS on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:20:11 PM PDT

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              •  This would be so sweet. (none / 0)

                I figure that something's gotta give, at some point.  I keep looking at the latest scandal, thinking, surely this, and, well, no.

                Maybe this trivial (well, trivial on the scale of nuclear war with Iran) incident will be the straw.

                Man, I hope.  Not sanguine about it, but it'd be oh so pretty.

                Je suis inondé de déesses

                by Marc in KS on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:22:01 PM PDT

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              •  Exactly my thoughts (4.00 / 14)

                I just told my wife tonight that it was just like the mainstream corporate media to ignore a ginned up war, manipulating intelligence, lies, slander, extortion, vote rigging, and other high crimes but use this as their excuse to jump all over him because they don't look partisan doing it over a duck hunting accident. Whatever it takes, I guess! I just hope it's finally happening and with Ron Reagan's mention of alcohol (which is something that Richard Cheney is known to enjoy) this could end up being the last straw. Who is going to ask the question: "Mr. Vice President, had you been drinking?" Might as well ask if he had the safety engaged and whether all other laws and regulations were obeyed- including reporting in prompt manner and not lying to investigators! Mob bosses like him usually go down on small shit- maybe he shot off his own foot finally.
                •  Yeah great analysis (none / 1)

                  The press feels safe to take them to the mat on this kind of petty thing; just like the blue dress.

                  A testament to how utterly compromised the traditional news product is.

                  You can't be on the team, if you're not in the choir. Sorry.

                  by peeder on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 06:10:32 PM PDT

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                •  I know if I had shot someone (none / 0)

                  I know if I had shot someone while hunting, "where you drinking?", would probably be the first question asked of me. Isn't it law to report gunshot wounds? or is that just a medical reporting thing?

                  I am not blaming those who are resolved to rule, only those who show an even greater readiness to submit. ~Thucydides

                  by get up stand up on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 06:51:12 PM PDT

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            •  they weren't having (none / 0)

              any meetings or doing anything "work related" is what they want hide...when does anyone ever know anything about what Cheney does on any particular weekend?  He probably rarely does anything any of the rest of us would consider "work"

              Maybe what will come out of this is that he goes hunting every freakin' weekend...fuck the war, not getting in the way of his leisure time

              didn't he stay on his fishin' trip for a couple days after Katrina?  

              undisclosed location = "west and welaxation"

              "Any girl can be glamorous. All you have to do is stand still and look stupid"~ Hedy Lamarr ~

              by kittania on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:39:01 PM PDT

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          •  They've forgotten how to tell the truth (4.00 / 18)

            The Busheviks have been lying and spinning and manipulating so long they have no idea anymore how to tell a straight story.  It's possible that this could be the most innocent incident in the world, just a stupid thing Cheney did with a gun.  Even if it were -- and I'm not buying that line, but just for the sake of argument -- the White House would react in precisely this way.

            Cover, lie, spin, manipulate, accuse, make a partisan fight ... these are the standard tricks in their kit bag.  They no longer know any other way.  Now, no matter what happened down there in Texas, Dick Cheney looks guilty as hell.  And he looks guilty as hell about something that has precisely nothing to do with Osama bin Laden or traitorous Democrats.

            Red state voters know about guns.  Many of them own guns, and they understand about gun safety and the ethic of responsibility associated with them.  Bush's cadre of paid liars, for the most part, do not, I'll wager.  Their lies will sound less plausible to the average Ohio or Idaho or Kentucky Republican than they do to us.  

            This is deep, deep shit for the Bushies.  They don't even know yet how deep it is.  I'm making popcorn, myself.

            Hanoi didn't break John McCain, but Washington did.

            by Dallasdoc on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:20:38 PM PDT

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            •  Precisely (none / 0)

              Can they handle anything without having to figure out how to lie about it first?

              You know, the other part of it is that Cheney really is in charge, and since it happened to him, he wasn't available to choreograph the WH response. It's entirely possible that without him, no one had a clue what to do. Except that leaves out Rove. Who would say lie about it.

              Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Ben Franklin

              by mcjoan on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:24:19 PM PDT

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            •  My theory - and I'm sticking to it (none / 1)

              My theory is that the communication actualy WAS done, everyone within the VP White House/Situation Room was up to speed.  Then - someone decided it needed spinning because "people will say he was drunk, on meds, bad eyesight, faith in the VP will erode, it will affect financial markets, oh woe, oh woe!".

              In other words - they panicked and froze.

              The millionaire hunters would buy the financial arguments about affecting the markets, so they'd buy into anything Cheney'd propose.

            •  Except for not involving sex, of course, (none / 0)

              it compares fairly well to a blow-job.
      •  Exactly (4.00 / 2)

        You KNOW that Cheney in situations like these travels with a Secret Service detail....and one that absolutely HAD to have top notch communications links......remember how much criticism the White House got right after 9/11 when Bush et al and Cheney et al couldn't communicate with each other very well.

        And remember all those times that Bush and Cheney travel in different locations to assure continuity in the case of an attack.....

        So you got a VP, surrounded by state of the art high tech communications via satellite scrambler no doubt, and suddenly they just can't figure out what happened on site until they talk with the woman who owns the place and then tell her that SHE can release the story....they'll just stand by and watch.

        This from a White House which controls the release of EVERYTHING otherwise.

        This is genuinely weird and totally out of character for the characters involved in this mysterious tale.

        Doug "A Free Market philosophy would be great, if markets were actually free."

        by dweb on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 09:15:00 PM PDT

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    •  Just one more in a long (4.00 / 10)

      line of bizzarities.

      All the shooting metaphors having been well used up, I'm reduced to laughter.  These people are in charge of the USA?

      Holy crap.

      Je suis inondé de déesses

      by Marc in KS on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:32:32 PM PDT

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    •  Cheney was hunting illegally. (4.00 / 4)

      he was hunting illegally. Did not have the upland bird stamp on his license. Given warning citation. which is supposedly SOP. thesmokinggun has the story.

      fouls, excesses and immoderate behavior are scored ZERO at Over the Line, Smokey!

      by seesdifferent on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:28:36 PM PDT

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      •  2 Underreported Facts (4.00 / 8)

        From the Incident Report: The "major factor" was "victim covered by shooter who was swinging on game" and NOT "victim moved into line of fire" or "victim out of sight of shooter", which were available as multiple choice items.  There is no item even available for "victim failed to announce his/her presence."

        And from the Kenedy Clunty Sheriff's Office Press Release: Due to lack of communication the personnel manning the front gate upon Kened County Officer's arrival did not have any information and were unaware of the incident.  Sheriff Salinas was informed shortly after the incident by Secret Service Agents by phone due to incompatibility of radio equipment.

        4 1/2 years after 9/11, the Secret Service and local enforcement have no direct radio contact.

        Thanks for the link to the Smoking Gun.

  •  Where's Mister Exploshuns? (4.00 / 12)

    I mean, I appreciate this diary and all...but I want my drawing of a cat!

    You can't be on the team, if you're not in the choir. Sorry.

    by peeder on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:19:49 PM PDT

  •  They are worried (4.00 / 11)

    There's the sex angle -- a hunting party of three women and two men.

    There's the drinking angle -- why were the local cops kept away?

    There's the corruption angle -- the victim was involved in a shady funeral industry deal.

    And for all the reports I hear about how the wounds were not serious, the victim is 78 and has been in Intensive Care for a couple of days. If the headline becomes, "Vice President Killed Man," how will Scotty spin that?

  •  I'm not sure how much help (none / 1)

    Cheney's medteam was...

    unless he suffered a heart-attack or mysterious foot problems after getting shot

    I got nuthin (-6.88, -6.15)

    by guyermo on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:24:59 PM PDT

  •  something rotten in Texas (4.00 / 18)

    I just watched the video on Crooks and Liars and it's now clear to me that there was something odd going on. The most benign (I suppose) would be either intoxication or some cardiac event on Darth Cheney's part. Or perhaps the victim was very seriously injured and they were worried he might actually die.

    Otherwise I just can't understand why they would subject Scottie and the WH to another Katrina-esque tragicomedy of errors. If it had been a "simple hunting accident" surely it would have been easier all around just to 'fess up to it immediately.

    I've never seen the press so tough on McClellan. Shame it was only over this minor even and not the illegal war on Iraq (one of many examples).

    I would be more upset if I weren't so sedated...

    by Paolo on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:26:34 PM PDT

    •  I wonder about the health (4.00 / 9)

      of the shootee.  He's 78, and at my spry young age of 49 I can imagine that there'd be some concern if I were shot in the face and neck (which is all I've heard) with a shotgun.

      I think they kept it quiet until they were sure the guy wasn't going to die.  78 is pretty old, especially for a republican (they don't eat so much fruit and nuts; they're red-meat folk).

      Je suis inondé de déesses

      by Marc in KS on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:37:45 PM PDT

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    •  If I owned the National Enquirer, (4.00 / 4)

      I'd be opening the corporate bank account for the first hired hand at the Armstrong Ranch who witnessed the shooting and what led up to it.

      Kah. Ching.

      •  Today's Word is "ANTHRAX" n/t (none / 1)

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:41:24 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Dog handlers?? (none / 0)

        Good point about ranch staff witnesses.
        There has been some mention of dogs being used to flush the quail. If so...who and where are they on this?

        I just put up a big ole limestone cross on my pigfarm for Jenna's wedding to a Karl Rove minion. Praise Jeebus, GWB

        by cosette on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 05:27:17 PM PDT

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    •  interestingly (4.00 / 4)

      Fox News has now reported that Cheney has been issued a warning, b/c he hadn't gotten the proper updated stamp to his hunting license.

      not that that would be enough reason for a coverup.  definitely very odd with the timing.

      although it's getting late, you still have plenty of time

      by maracuja on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:04:45 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  This is the kind (4.00 / 6)

      of thing that Mr. & Mrs. America can understand quickly, in the midst of all the other demands on their time and attention. Plus, most reporters (real ones, that is, not people like Tweety) start out on the cops and courts beat, which involves talking to the cop shop daily. They know about accident reports and gun incidents and response times and all that good stuff. So, trying to stonewall them on this is just going to get their competitive juices going.

      This PR admin does very well when it initiates a story, controls it with a pre-set agenda, and intimidates everyone else. It does very poorly when it has to react to real-time events, and its functionaries seem to be incapable of thinking on their feet. More and more, we're seeing examples of that.

      The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips

      by Mnemosyne on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:33:02 PM PDT

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    •  One thing I have to give this administration (none / 0)

      they ain't boring.


      Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room! - President Merkin Muffley

      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 08:06:57 PM PDT

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  •  Lou Dobbs (4.00 / 17)

    just had film of some of this exchange on his program.  Usually he gets it, but tonight he was making a big deal about why they were spending so much time on the shooting, when they could be talking about things like China, and immigration.  

    Well Lou, it's because this is just symptomatic of what they are doing with information that the American people should have the right to each day. They are keeping it from us.  Get a clue, Lou.

    I think the reason why the owner of the property told without checking with Cheneys office first is because she saw the potential in the situation of alot of mischief.  Namely, she could envision the man dying and the Administration trying to cover it up.  There is also a question of liability with something happening on her land, she could see the possiblity that she would be scapegoated and blamed for unsafe conditions which led to the shooting, or something similar.  She was protecting herself.  This didn't come out when it happened because they were all busy figuring out a plan of action in case he died about who was to blame, how the story should go, and how to spin it politically.  She got a jump on them before they were able to pin the whole thing on her.

    •  Continueing to relay info from Lou Dobbs: (4.00 / 6)

      Bushie down to 39% in Gallup Poll- Wooo Hooo!
      •  I agree with Lou (4.00 / 3)

        Of course this is a story and we should be used to not getting timely facts from this administration, never mind the truth. Yet I would be much more interested in seeing the press ask questions about other pending issues and there are so many. But I wonder, if there is a lawsuit, are you and I going to have to pay this millionaire a few million $ from our taxes? And I wonder, was this a reason he had so many deferments during Vietnam, they already knew he couldn't shoot straight?

        In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. G. Orwell

        by DickCheneyBeforeHeDicksYou on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:54:38 PM PDT

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        •  For our own selfish reasons, though (4.00 / 7)

          this is the right story to focus on.  This is mundane, and just mysterious enough to catch the attention of the people in the country.  If it can turn out to reflect poorly on Cheney, it could help us in all sorts of ways to get things resolved that Lou is talking about. Well at least help us to make small steps in that direction.

          The weaker Cheney looks, the weaker Bush looks, the weaker the Republicans look, the stronger we look, and the more apt we are to have some influence on the things happening in this country.  

          It is slow going, but it's a tangled web we weave.

          •  Key word is mysterious (none / 1)

            Could we have passed incompetent, sleazy, corrupt, bizarre and now headed to mysterious? Might have a point there.

            In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. G. Orwell

            by DickCheneyBeforeHeDicksYou on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:12:09 PM PDT

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          •  It also focuses on privilege (4.00 / 5)

            which is one thing that the repubs don't want anyone in red states thinking about. If a normal guy in texas accidently shoots someone while hunting, he's in trouble and he knows it. At the very least he's dragged in and questioned, given a drug test and an alcohol test and inconvienced big time. At the worst he's sued. Now cheney gets off without even an interview. His buddy in the white house stonewalls it, too. How does that look to the normal hunter? The one who wants to have a beer with bush because he's a normal guy?  

            This isn't good for them at all. It puts a big hole in the "we're normal Amurkins jest like you" theme that they've been living on for 5 years now. We should also get as much info out about the pheasant hunting in 2003 and about the canned hunting of quail in this case if it's true.  That's a big no no for normal hunters as well.  I think this is kind of important.

            A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

            by dougymi on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 06:00:39 PM PDT

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        •  Especially with the other news (4.00 / 4)

          This is the kind of story that will end up resonating according to people's pre-established beliefs. Even if we find a violation of some law, Bush supporters will interpret it as a legalistic and exceptional application of the law. No matter how egregious it seems to us (like Bush's service record) they can explain it away, because it can be reduced to a "he said, she said" take on what it is proper to do.

          Contrast this with some of the other news about the criticism in the Republican Katrina report, the CIA operative confirming the selective use of intelligence, and the British torture video. Those are stories that, because of their nature and sources, will be very hard for the right to dismiss, and build on the erosion of confidence in Bush. I say don't crowd those stories out with this one (but don't ignore this one either -- especially the White House role in hiding the story).

          With scandal fatigue, it is important to hit those themes that are going to make impeachment more generally acceptable. In my opinion, few will decide to impeach Bush because Cheney shot someone.

          "Stare at the monster: remark/ How difficult it is to define just what/ Amounts to monstrosity in that/ Very ordinary appearance." - Ted Hughes

          by MarkC on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:22:37 PM PDT

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          •  With all those other stories going on (none / 1)

            It's just a bit excessive that Cheney should be forced into shooting a 78 year old man to act as a distraction.
          •  It won't be a legal infraction. (none / 1)

            Nobody will really care that Cheney didn't have the right stamp on his license. Yeah, sure, he should have, but he's the VP of the US, for heaven's sakes, you don't think he handles things like that himself, do you? Some underling goofed. Big shrug.

            What will resonate are:

            1. the violation of hunting safety rules, which is going to be way more obvious to red-state gun owner NRA types than to most of us.

            2. the totally dumb attempt to cover it up.

            3. the inevitable suspicion that Cheney was drunk, and that's why they tried a coverup.

            So forget about the license stamp. But I think this is going to hurt them more than we first thought.

            Folly is fractal: the closer you look at it, the more of it there is.

            by Canadian Reader on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 06:28:10 PM PDT

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  •  This makes me wonder... (4.00 / 4)

    ...if Cheney actually weighed whether he could keep this a secret from Bush...
  •  What did the Pres know? (4.00 / 20)

    As I said on another diary, my favorite question from the press conference (which I watched on C&L also): "When did the President know the Vice President was the shooter?"  Man, we just cannot get away from "24" language with these guys!

    Does anyone else get the impression that Bush was the last person to find out about this?

    And I agree - liquor AND women seem clearly to have been involved.  Why else was the Secret Service preventing the local police from interviewing Cheney about the incident?  Can you say "breathalyser"?

    Angry Black Bitch's blog, by the way, has the best headline for this story: "Duck, Motherf*cker!"

  •  Yikes!..... (4.00 / 4)

    "And of course, in a position like mine, I was urging that that information be made available as quickly as possible."  The visuals on this are painful--gotta go bleach my brain now.

    ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

    by bibble on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:41:01 PM PDT

  •  How is it that David Gregory (4.00 / 9)

    can get so pissed off at what he takes as a personal put-down from a lightweight like McClellan... but he and the rest of the White House Press Corpse have been DOA on:

    The war. The WMD's. The scandals. The lies. The BS. The lies. The BS.

    Geez, if Dick Cheney had just shot Jack Abramoff in right in the ass on a lobbying-hunting trip... and put off talking about it for a day... we might have had calls for impeachment already.

    "Arguments are extremely vulgar, for everyone in good society holds exactly the same opinion." - Oscar Wilde

    by LeftHandedMan on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:43:20 PM PDT

    •  right how do they (none / 1)

      justify this "cartoon moment" as RElland aptly puts it when they virtually ignore the reporting on the Cheney-Libby allegations last week.

      Or the calls to investigate Cheney by R's and D's alike that went out yesterday after the Sunday talk news cycle.

      Or the report today that Plame worked on Iran at the time of the outing. And that major damage was done to intelligence by neutralizing her.

      No, they focus on an issue that can be properly marginalized by Karl Rove. They do the WH's work for them. And these "journalists" cry all the way to the bank. All they care about are their paychecks, there's not a patriot among them.  

    •  David Gregory was just on Tweety (4.00 / 7)

      (yes, my thirst for Cheney shooting news was so acute I broke my boycott) and he said that he believes that the way Cheney chose to handle this -- and he raised the question of whether the WH had any control over Cheney -- was indicative of other matters. At least he's beginning to connect a few dots, although I agree that he could be a lot more aggressive on other stories.

      Alan Simpson was just on Tweety too, as a friend of Cheney's and fellow hunter, and HE says that the country had no need to know about this because the Vice President wasn't hurt.  As for delegating the press function to Mrs. Armstrong the ranch owner, Simpson said that ranch owners NEVER want to disclose news that there's been an accident on their ranch, as if her natural reluctance to put herself and her ranch in the media spotlight made her the PERFECT person to handle the press.  

      Simpson concluded with a tirade about how the press is unfair to Cheney because they don't like him because he's aloof.  Tweety then assured Simpson that HE (Simpson) is not aloof.

      No, not aloof.  Just freakin' BONKERS!!!

      "Mom, did you hurt yourself, or are you yelling at the TV again?

      by litigatormom on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:29:53 PM PDT

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      •  Alan Simpson proved himself a jackass today (4.00 / 2)

        the ranting and raving about Cheney's critics was completely out in the fever swamp on CNN's the sit'n spin.

        Wolfie Blitzer can always be counted on to play the worst of the worst and pretend its routine commentary.

        "Arguments are extremely vulgar, for everyone in good society holds exactly the same opinion." - Oscar Wilde

        by LeftHandedMan on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:40:21 PM PDT

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        •  Longstanding Jackass (4.00 / 2)

          Simpson was an especially vicious questioner of Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas debacle.  I think Johnny Carson joked about milking Simpson's fangs for venom.  He ranks up there with Orrin Hatch as biggest jackass in the Senate, past or present.  His "fellow rancher to the defense" tirade is more of his same tired shit.  

          "Lawyers, I suppose, were children once." To Kill A Mockingbird

          by DC Scott on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 06:14:20 PM PDT

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      •  Betcha you're not going back to Tweety soon? (none / 0)

        What a pair--him and Simpson; both assholes-first class!!!   Gregory does miss some stories, but today he was ON!!!!  NBC Nightly led with a strong lead with a lot of scepticism(sp) about the whole matter.
    •  I enjoy watching David Gregory (4.00 / 3)

      grill McClellan at these press conferences.  He actually does a good job and is one of the ones who tends to be on our side.  At least he doesn't shill for the Administration like some of the others.  Remember how he tried to pin him down on Rove and the Plame case?  

      I think Gregory gets up in the morning for one reason, and that is to torture McClellan at press conferences , and to someday get him to spill the beans about something big.  I love watching it.

      •  He does have his moments... (none / 1)

        I thought his questions today were hilariously good.  He is at his best when McClellan is at his most obstinate (ok, I guess that's every day).  He gets incredulous and it makes Scott McConman smile insanely as he tries to conrol himself.  These are the few moments that I think people will respond to, because it is so obviously evasive.
  •  My oh my... (4.00 / 5)

    Please... somebody tell me that this ISN'T our Fourth estate's 'cartoon' moment? (Hey let's ignore the deaths, the tragedy, the crimes, the slow build up to dictatorship, but shoot an old guy and not tell the press?! BURN! BURN THE EVIL CREATURE FROM HELL!)

    It is this simple. Vote Republican- Iraq is Forever. Vote Democratic- Iraq is history.

    by RElland on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:48:44 PM PDT

    •  I was thinking the same thing- (none / 1)

      how is it that they're so worked up over one guy getting shot when thousands of innocent civilians are being killed daily because of the greed and mendancity of this administration?!  WTF?  Oh yeah, I forgot one old rich white Republican dude is worth at least 40-50k brown foreigners.

      Our "press" sucks.

      "Liberals feel unworthy of their possessions. Conservatives feel they deserve everything they've stolen."--Mort Sahl

      by jandey on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:24:49 PM PDT

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  •  Secret Service (4.00 / 10)

    Am I to assume the Secret Service wasn't guarding the Vice-President when, at dusk, he's in a field with two other armed companions?  Since it seems the SS was unable to inform the President of this incident and what transpired they obviously weren't there.

    Why?

    If they were, why were they unable to transmit this critical information to the President?  Maybe we need satellites positioned over Cheney's shooting areas so we'll know what's happening.  We get better intelligence about what some pedestrian is doing in downtown Moscow than we do from the VP's own security unit?

    I doubt it.

    Pennacchio for Pennsylvania

    by PAprogressive on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 03:50:33 PM PDT

  •  This thing has been stinking (4.00 / 16)

    ever since we knew it happened on Saturday, and not on Sunday when we heard about it.

    Dean had clearly heard about it when he was on TV that morning; the Aaron Burr reference is too obvious to be a simple coincidence.  (Well done to him for pre-seeding the field.)

    If it was a simple hunting accident, why wasn't it on the wires within minutes?

    And why is McLellan lying about when the White House was informed?  For god's sake, the VICE PRESIDENT has just had an ACCIDENT with a GUN!  Do they seriously think any of us out here believe that the White House didn't know in a matter of minutes that there had been an incident but that Cheney was OK?  Isn't knowing that the second highest elected official in the country is safe like... their JOB or something?  Isn't that what they do?

    There's a big line of bullshit coming out of the White House right now, and I want to know why.

    •  The worst answer.... (4.00 / 13)

      ...is that the guy was drunk.  Obviously this was not an outing to snuff Whittington that went horribly wrong.

      The simple explanation, it seems to me, is that this White House and the Office of the VP specifically are so addicted to secrecy and concealment that when a crisis arises, the first thing they think of is, "How can we make sure no one finds out?"

      However, I guarantee you, fucking promise you, that bribes and access and more were offered to the victim while he was suffering in exchange for silence on the matter.  I guarantee you that Armstrong was offered money to say SHE accidentally shot the guy.  I am sure that hours passed before they stopped trying every single angle they could to cover up the incident.  Not because it's even cover-up worthy; it's probably not.  Just because cover-up is this administration's reflex.  Their sport.

      "A person is as free as they believe themselves to be off." - Fortune cookie

      by The Termite on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 04:03:18 PM PDT

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      •  Despite the seriousness (4.00 / 2)

        of what happened, I get the impression that the WH felt that they could treat this incident like all of those incidents where Bush fell off his bike, his Segway, his couch, etc.

        If so, that would tell us two things:

          <