Daily Kos

To Hell With Hackett (updated)

Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 03:43:16 PM PDT

This diary is based on a comment made in another diary about this issue. It has been edited and expanded from the original comment

Last night I took a break from reading about media coverage of the presidency to watch the Daily Show with my friends, a common nightly occurrence. I'm normally a fan of the Daily Show, because not only being funny as Hell, it usually goes after people who need to be taken down a peg.

But what I saw last night wasn't funny, no matter how much my friends laughed at it. Maybe it would have seemed funny if I hadn't known the situation. Or hadn't be privy to such an underhanded attack on the party I proudly claim membership in, or on my own personal political savvy.

Yes, I'm talking about Paul Hackett.

I don't watch the Daily Show expecting to get the news. I watch it for political satire. But just as we would expect a newspaper op-ed piece to uphold a certain level of accuracy and intellectual honesty in how it presents it's argument, I expect the same thing from good satirists. The Daily Show's Paul Hackett piece failed on this account to a rather spectacular degree.

This was one of the most shamefully one-sided stories about the Democratic party I've seen anywhere this side of Fox News. The piece (which I do not have a link to, but I believe is on Crooks and Liars) presented Hackett as a sympathetic figure, wronged by a risk-adverse party establishment. The script sounds all to familiar: Democratic leaders scared to stand up for what it seems they should so obviously support. But only the most over-zealous Hackett supporters would claim that was the real story. We here, who witnessed the blow by blow of the debacle of Hackett's withdrawal from the Ohio Senate race know better (or at least we should).

The Dailyshow did a good job of presented Hackett the way it seems he wants to present himself. However, it did not provide the context or facts needed for viewers to fairly judge his claim. As I watched the piece, the following questions came to mind which I would like Paul Hackett to answer.

If the Democratic party is really trying to force out candidates who don't accept the Republican-lite approach to politics, then how does Hackett explain the fact he was passed over for, arguably, one of the most liberal-progressive members of the House?  

If he really is to far a field from the party line, how does he explain the efforts of Rahm Emanuel to recruit him for another run in the Ohio 2nd?

And if the Democratic party was really so worried about Hackett turning off moderate voters, why would the DCCC want to run him in a district as blood red as OH-2?

Nowhere in Hackett's sanctimonious and self-serving Daily Show appearance where these questions asked or addressed. Not only that, but the piece did not give enough context to let viewers make a fair appraisal of what happened in the Senate race, and if Hackett really was the victim of trepidation by party higher-ups. In point of fact, pundits in the traditional media (I think it was someone on Tweetee's show) used Hackett's departure as evidence that Democrats were abandoning an â€oeelecatable” candidate for another far-left liberal. Hackett's claims might hold water against another candidate, but not against Brown.

In point of fact, my group of friends who were unfamiliar with the situation all came away believing Hackett was a victim of the Joe Libermen's of the Democratic party, and as a result, a negative impression of the party as a whole. However, this impression was based on what can only conclude was a deliberate effort on the part of Paul Hackett to deceive and mislead viewers about the events that lead to his withdrawal from the race, such as anemic fund raising, staff problems, and the fact the main architects of his near0victory in the Ohio 2nd had left to work for his opponent (who it should also be noted strongly supported Hackett's congressional bid).

The Daily Show may not be news, but if it is going to be shaping people's opinions, it has a responsibility to get the facts right, and it should be above participating in what I can only interpret as a political attack by an angry and disgruntled politico.

The Daily Show segment has effective destroyed any and all confidence, trust, or good-will I once had for Hackett. His actions were as disgraceful as Libermen's chronic inability to not pass up a chance to bash fellow Democrats to shore up his "moderate" cred. Only Hackett's target wasn't the middle, it was us, the liberals, the progressives, the Democratic wing of the Democratic party. It was an attempt to pit us against the leadership, motivated out of his sense of anger and entitlement. I take deep exception to an attempt to use me as a political tool against my party, and Hackett has forever darkened his reputation with me as result of that attempt.

The bottom line is this: I thought Hackett got a raw deal from the party higher ups. However, I always had doubts about his ability to run state wide, and would have been flat against it were it not for fact he would have been running against a deeply vulnerable candidate. And while I favor contested primaries, and wish Hackett would have stayed in, his performance prior to his withdrawal strongly suggested he was never going to beat Brown, and it would have been iffy against Dewine. So, he was forced out. That sucks, but it's politics. It wasn't personal. He was give a lifeboat, a second chance, in the form of DCCC support for another run in the Ohio 2nd (the race I thought he should have taken all along). He turned this olive branch down instead to wallow in petulance and self-pity. If he wanted to drop out of politics and do this, fine, but to try to drag me, to drag us into the fight with him, focusing on ego and grudge matches when we should all focus on winning back the Senate was dirty, dishonorable, and unbecoming the man I thought Paul Hackett was.

To Hell with that, and to hell with him.

Update Several people have made the point that the Daily Show writers, not Hackett, are responsble to for the piece I found objectionable. However, I have a hard time beliving Hackett didn't know what direction the DS writers were going to take things, and by extension supports the position they expressed. If Hackett in fact did not know how the footage he shot with them would be used, my objections would be moot, and I would glady admit I was wrong. However, barring evidence of that, I can only conclude Hackett's participation in the Daily Show skeatch ammounts to, at the very least, an endorsement of the piece they aired (which was dishonest and misleading, no matter if Hackett knew what they were doing or not). When I see a politican on TV, I have to assume they know what they're doing. I have to assume they're aware of the message they're projecting, and if for some reason they are not, and their words or likeness are misused, I expect them to say so, and set the record streight. Hackett may not have written the Daily Show piece, but unless he was unaware of what they were up too, I can not avoid holding him accountable for it.

Tags: Paul Hackett, OH-SEN, OH-02, The Daily Show (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

Permalink | 115 comments

  •  i still remember (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    Luam

    that guest jon had from the repug fundie college where they specifically groom right wing radicals for political office.

    jon was surprised to find they love his show.

    I want Lamont to win, but I won't cry when he doesn't.

    by BiminiCat on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 03:47:51 PM PDT

  •  Well (4+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    Meteor Blades, Aexia, poco, NearlyNormal
    you're probably right in your analysis of the situation, but I also think we need to move on and focus on helping Sherrod Brown defeat Dewine.
  •  Feh. (11+ / 0-)

    I saw it and thought it was hilarious. Relax. It's just comedy.

    hink

    Hyperbole will be the death of us all!

    by MrHinkyDink on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 03:49:53 PM PDT

    •  Dems had it coming. (1+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      stodghie

      They back stabbed Dean and Chegalis and Feinsgold.  Hackett's right.  You can be a liberal Democrat as long as you do as they tell you.  Daily Show was funny and on target.  Hackett did a fantastic job.  What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Besides the Dems won't even know - they're too busy hiding in the basement.

      ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

      by dkmich on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 06:06:40 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  How to troll rate a comment? (2+ / 1-)

    Recommended by:
    librarianman, peterborocanuck

    Seriously.  I notice the  '(+/-)' icon.  Obviously receiving a + is good and - is bad.  I have noticed alot of plusses handed out but no negatives?!  

    Is this the end of troll rating comments that fail the smell test?

    When we got into office, the thing that surprised me most was to find that things were just as bad as we'd been saying they were. -JFK

    by optimusprime on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 03:50:02 PM PDT

  •  Paul Hackett was great (5+ / 0-)

    I hope he comes back and participates in more segments.

    Internet, n., A series of tubes invented by Al Gore; not a truck. "I mailed an Internet to my friend."

    by Viktor on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 03:53:59 PM PDT

  •  I have the show downloaded (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    suzq, dkmich

    from I tunes and I am going to watch it again.  I wasn't sure what to think when I was watching it, it looked like a pity party but then I thought maybe Hackett was poking fun at himself.  It's on at 11:00 here, and once I swallow my prescription sleep aid I don't trust my judgment 100%.  It would be a shame if Hackett turns out to be a vindictive egomaniac.

    •  trust me, it didn't have any ego in it (1+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      dkmich

      Helms and Hackett made great sport of the shrum-like beings that inhabit DC in great numbers. He came across as funny and real. It was a great take off of the idiots who run political campaigns for Democrats.  It was funny.  That was the point. It was also true.  If people saw Kos tonight on Olbermann's show, he said the same thing, just not quite as amusingly.  If Hackett wants to move to MI and take over for Carl Levin when he retires, I'll happily vote for him.  

      A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

      by dougymi on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 06:06:11 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  everyone knew Hackett wouldn't run in OH-02 (5+ / 0-)

    Hackett had given his word to the other candidates that he wouldn't, what kind of asshole would pull a move like that?

    TDS was funny because it was spot on.

    •  I agree that it would have been awkward (2+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      cubicalization, NearlyNormal

      for him to run after he had given his word that he wouldn't...but honestly, if the other candidates had everyone else's best interest in mind...they would have told him to run and backed out themselves...Hackett is the ONLY candidate who would give Schmidt a run for her money...the ONLY one with a chance.

      So...what kind of assholes would stay in the race when they know Hackett can put up a good fight and they can't?

      (I don't mean to sound like a bitch there either...I just don't understand that argument...this is politics...not kindergarten)

      •  Other candidates (0+ / 0-)

        You don't think Gaby Downey, Dr. Wulsein, or Thor Jacobs stand any chance?  I think they're all qualified candidates who would have at least as much chance as Hackett in a regular election (namely not much, but if a lightning bolt hit they could maybe pull it out).

        "An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot." - Thomas Paine

        by Mister Gloom on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 04:33:07 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Well...I've never really heard of them... (0+ / 0-)

          and if I've never heard of them as anything other than "the other candidates in OH-02"...then no, they probably don't have much of a shot. I've also been told that by people who live in the district.

          Hackett had widespread support...and LOTS of donors from all over the country...those other folks don't quite have that pull.

          •  That's kind of sad (0+ / 0-)

            Thor Jacobs has been doing events for a couple of months now (http://www.jacobsforcongress.org/calendar_journal.htm), so its sad that people haven't heard of him.  And I thought Dr. Wulsin had some recognition from her past run.  I had heard some mild buzz buzz about Ms. Downey from a couple of kossacks who claimed to live in the district but I suppose they are a minority.

            >>Hackett had widespread support...and LOTS of donors from all over the country...those other folks don't quite have that pull.<<</p>

            Yes, but he's not going to get significantly more than he got last time and he'd need a heck of a lot more to make up for the increased Republican turnout.  As someone on politics1 put it:  Hackett would be lucky to break 40% in that district.

            "An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot." - Thomas Paine

            by Mister Gloom on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 05:18:07 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  Probably because (0+ / 0-)

        the other candidates have a lot on the line, too -- Did they quit their jobs?  Take out another mortgage on their house?  Hire dozens of staff members?

        Visit RemoveRepublicans.com and follow every 2006 Senate race.

        by AnthonySF on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 05:48:17 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Fair enough (1+ / 0-)

      My point was not so much that Hackett should have run (though I thought he should have). It was that his claim that he was being forced out because he wasn't viewed as "electable" was bullshit, giving that the DCCC wanted to run him in a district that weighted against Democrats.

  •  I thought it was ok (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    suzq, Bob Brigham

    not laugh out loud funny, but I didnt feel offended or anything. It wasnt even the worst sketch TDS has done on Dems.  I remember about the DNC Chair elections that was just terrible.

  •  in the first of your diary (6+ / 0-)

    you say you watch it for the satire.  I like the fact that Hackett is confident enough to poke fun at himself.  I like the fact that TDS was willing to satirize a subject they knew would register with their viewers.

    So you watch it for its satirical bent, just so long as they don't take aim at a topic you find distasteful.

    I laughed my ass off.

    But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

    by Bill O Rights on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 04:00:22 PM PDT

    •  I'm concerned about the subtext (0+ / 0-)

      Unless Hackett had no idea what was going to be in the piece (like putting his clips next to some idiot consultent who seemed to be there to repersent the "party line"), I have a hard time viewing this as anything other then a political attack.

      I say it was aimed at us, because guess what, a lot of us watch the Daily Show. Hackett reads Kos, Hackett knows this, and he knows that when he appears in a five minute bit on the Daily Show, we're going to listen, and 5+ diaries are going to be written about it. This was an appeal to our general anger (often times justified) at the reluctance of many members of the Democratic leadership and party establishment to take the fight to the Republicans the way we'd want to see things done. But what happened to Hackett just wasn't an example of that, and trying to say it was is trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

      I will say that I would retract all my negitive comments here, if I found out that Hackett didn't have any role in the writing of that piece, and if he did not know what would be said, or what the underlaying message of it would be. However, I find it unlikely he would have allowed himself to be taken as far out of context as such a serise of events would entail.

      As far as watching for satire, satire in my mind is a form of commentary. It has the same responsabilities as other forms of pundentry, and I'm not willing to cut TDS any more slack then I would any of the other talking heads.

      •  I would venture that (1+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        suzq

        Paul knew the piece was about the ineffectiveness of our Democratic leadership, but didn't know anything about how it would be framed edited (remember Blagojevich's blunder?)

        He probably didn't know about the "strategist" scenes -- and that guy fit perfectly into the "Kerry rambles too much" meme that many felt to be accurate during the '04 campaign, including me.

        Visit RemoveRepublicans.com and follow every 2006 Senate race.

        by AnthonySF on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 05:59:31 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Let me get this straight then, (1+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        Bob Brigham

        you support the "consultants" such as shrum and the idiot that was on the segment with Ed Helms.  You think they do a great job and we're all the better for their efforts. You would gladly hand over the party to the successful efforts of bob shrum because he's done such a great job of electing Al Gore and John Kerry and many other democrats especially in red states.

        Just wanted to get that straight in my mind.  I'll go back to my own bizarroworld now.  thank  you.

        A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

        by dougymi on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 06:11:07 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  ...The Hell? (0+ / 0-)

          I'm having trouble figuering out how you came to that conclusion from my post. Where do I say I support the Bob Shrums of the world? Where in my above post is there any support of consultents? If you havan't noticed, I reffered to the one who appeared on the Daily Show as an idiot. He was there to repersent the worst of the Democratic party, and he did his job very well.

          If you have a different perspective on the Daily Show piece, then fine, let's have it. But not only will I now debate things I don't believe in, it's an impossability for me to do so, seeing as how I never said I believed in them.

          •  I think he's trying to say (1+ / 0-)

            Recommended by:
            Jiminy Cricket

            that the sketch lampooned focus-group Dems.  If you aren't a focus-group Dem, why get upset?

            Visit RemoveRepublicans.com and follow every 2006 Senate race.

            by AnthonySF on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 06:44:22 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Exactly, (0+ / 0-)

              It was lampooning them and lampooning the consultants who use that exclusively.  Hackett didn't denigrate Democrats so much as the DC consultant establishment. Sure it was disrespectful to Democrats. We better grow thick skin or we'll never win a damn thing. Anything TDS is going to put on the air isn't going to come close to the slime that is going to come out of the rove machine in the near future. You can take that to the bank!

              A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

              by dougymi on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 06:52:18 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

  •  I thought it was funny. (12+ / 0-)

    And I was a Brown supporter all through the Brown/Hackett wars.

    I don't think Hackett's criticisms of the Dems as directed to him are legit, but I do think they are legit in general. Dems are too weak. Where are Feingold's co-sponsers?

    The piece was not solely targeted to Hackett's problems. It also covered the general blandness of campaigns:

    I support the environment, that's why I'm standing in front of a river.

    C'mon, it was funny.

    • • Get Your John McCain - NOPE T-Shirts & Stickers

    by KingOneEye on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 04:04:14 PM PDT

    •  And the 'coaching' he received (5+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      MrHinkyDink, suzq, DrewDown, Webster, Mia Dolan

      Although I didn't like the oversimplications in the intro to the piece, I viewed that as a setup to the main theme: His mocking the usual blandness of campaign pieces. The touchstone was his effectove reaction to being coached to lose his enthusiam.

      I've never seen him speak before and I was impressed with his on-camera poise--I think he had far more presence than most of the elected officials who appear  in those skits.

      But especially I appreciated his ability to perform parody so well. I think most politicians in the limelight would be too worried about their image. I sat there and couid not think of any other (non-retired) politician who could have done the skit as effectively as he did.  

      We're in a culture that increasingly holds that science is just another belief. - Alan Alda

      by sawgrass727 on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 04:27:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  That was the (0+ / 0-)

      funniest line.  Poked fun at poli-ads in general.

      Visit RemoveRepublicans.com and follow every 2006 Senate race.

      by AnthonySF on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 05:49:40 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  TDS spot on. (5+ / 0-)

    i know of the hackett story.  i welcome those who are willing to go outside their straight-arm of their party's leadership, and those who are able to poke fun at situations.

    i thought TDS' commentary was both funny AND spot-on accurate.

    the democrats couldn't win an election in 2000 with the best economy in years.  and don't say "supreme court" - a sitting vp in a great economy should CRUSH an opponent.  if they have any balls.

    the democrats couldn't win an election in 2004 with a declining economy, no finding of osama, and americans dying.  again, it shouldn't have even been close - it should have been significant.

    i hope that greenspan's comments - about an effective 3rd party candidate, who is a libertarian with a heart, comes true.  

    •  The straight-arm of [the] party's leadership (0+ / 0-)

      Oh Yeah,

      The over-abundance of party discipline is definitely the Democratic Party's problem...  (/snark of course)

      "the train tracks all run parallel, but they'll all meet up one day" -- John Prine

      by rockhound on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 05:55:22 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Goos satire (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    suzq, NearlyNormal

    I agree that we as a community need to stop being upset over the pressure that was put on Hackett to withdraw from the race, but I don't think that this piece went overboard.

    It made fun of the cautious, focus tested politics that we have been growing tired of here on the Kos and around the country, but didn't say anything negative about Brown specifically.  Almost all of the negative comments were by TDS itself not Hackett.

    My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
    Philly for Obama

    by Luam on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 04:09:41 PM PDT

  •  Two isues here. (8+ / 0-)

    1. Should Hackett have done this?
    1. It's a comedy show.

    The answer to #1 in my opinion is that I don't see what he gets out of this appearance.  I guess his political days really are over.  He's not making friends.

    As to #2, I thought it was funny, particularly the parts with Helms talking with the Democratic consultant.  No wonder we're on a losing streak.

    overall, funny, but Hackett sure seems bitter.  Move on, Paul.

  •  maybe (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    unterhausen, NearlyNormal

    it's precisely because most people don't know the blow by blow of the Hackett drama that this piece seemed effective to me.

    the democratic party has problems, i think we mostly agree on that. one big one is that they're terrified of seeming weak on security and the war on terror. the other is that they're perceived as weak and incapable of standing up to the president. the republicans play these two points out perfectly: they do whatever the hell they want and if the dems complain they accuse them of being on the same side as the terrorists. it's that simple. so dems either have to take a stand and risk hurting their security credentials, or slink away quietly, making them look weak and incapable of taking a stand.

    hackett is a nice solution to this problem. he can stand up and call out the president, and it's very hard to accuse him of being weak on security because he's a veteran. same goes for jack murtha. what feingold is doing is very courageous as well, he's taking a stand and is willing to stand up and explain why censuring the president for breaking the law is not helping our enemies (so sad that you have to work hard to defend that position).

    anyway, back to hackett. i don't want to get into the details, mostly because i don't know them as well as many others here, but generally speaking, given this bind that dems are caught in, you would think they'd get behind the hacketts full force. when feingold leads the charge they should be right there behind him. but they're not. maybe their strategery is a good one, but it sure seems to be failing miserably, so the position the daily show took in their hackett piece is to present an alternative. stand up and fight, and stop letting the other guy mug you hoping that he'll eventually take himself down.

  •  get a grip (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    Ari Mistral, NearlyNormal

    as a famous-movie drill instructor once said...

    LIGHTEN UP FRANCIS!!!

  •  Hackett was great on the TDS (4+ / 0-)

    And the fact that he was great reinforces the fact that the Democrats have made a gigantic blunder passing over this rising star.   But what's done is done.  Maybe instead of worrying about how great Hackett was on TV, you should worry about getting Brown on TV, now that  he's 16 points down to DeWine.

    By the way, telling Hackett to go run again in the 2nd was probably the biggest insult of all. Stop pretending it wasn't.  No one else is.  

  •  Goldfish dahling, (0+ / 0-)

    I agree with you about Hackett...to a point. I'm not quite ready to say "to hell with him"...but I DO think that he should stop whining and wallowing. He should have gotten into the race against Schmidt...that would have been MORE than ideal...he is afterall probably the only person who can beat her. It sucks that he wouldn't try to get back in that race.

    I did think that TDS bit was funny though...only because it is fairly true in the sense that the reason we lose is that the leadership is afraid of people who aren't predictable. Sometimes the truth hurts...

  •  Answering some of those questions (4+ / 0-)

    >> how does Hackett explain the fact he was passed over for, arguably, one of the most liberal-progressive members of the House?  <<</p>

    He is a member of the club and good buddy's with the relatively moderate (and increasingly influential) congressman Ted Strickland.  This isn't a liberal/conservative thing (though I'd point out that Hackett wasn't significantly less progressive than Brown outside of gun issues) it's a inside Washington/outsider Washington thing.  The Democratic establishment would rather run a sure loser insider in Ohio (Northeast Ohio Democrats do not win statewide in Ohio) than an outsider.

    >> he really is to far a field from the party line, how does he explain the efforts of Rahm Emanuel to recruit him for another run in the Ohio 2nd?
    <<</p>

    This was an effort to get Hackett branded as a two-time loser and thus made about as politically influential as Charles Sanders.  We had the perfect storm in the '05 special election and they still voted R, with 2006 Schmidt has many more advantages (as for the Murtha comment?  Nobody in OH-02 gives two shits).  This seat can not be taken.  Run "dependable" type candidates who could conceivably take the seat if a complete bolt of lighting occurs (someone like Thor Jacobs, Dr. Wulsein, or Gaby Downey all of whom are currently running) but don't waste a potential star on a near certain loss.  This would be the equivalent of runnign Barck Obama in Hastert's district.  Wasting a top talent on a lost cause.

    >>However, this impression was based on what can only conclude was a deliberate effort on the part of Paul Hackett to deceive and mislead viewers about the events that lead to his withdrawal from the race, such as anemic fund raising, <<</p>

    The last quarter reported had Hackett as raising about $465,000 with Brown raising about $480,000.  If Hackett had anemic fundraising then so did Brown (Brown isn't raising any new money outside of the $ 2 mill. he has banked from years of non-competitive house races).

    >>fact the main architects of his near0victory in the Ohio 2nd had left to work for his opponent<<</p>

    But he had John Glenn's chief of staff as his campaign manager so his staff seems like it was in good hands.

    >>He was give a lifeboat, a second chance, in the form of DCCC support for another run in the Ohio 2nd (the race I thought he should have taken all along).<<</p>

    More like getting tossed an anchor.  Allow me to educate all the Brownites out there:  If we did not win the seat in the perfect storm of the '05 special election this seat cannot be won under a normal election.  And any Brownite trying to spin otherwise is either being untruthful or is on something.

    >> while I favor contested primaries, and wish Hackett would have stayed in, his performance prior to his withdrawal strongly suggested he was never going to beat Brown, and it would have been iffy against Dewine. <<</p>

    Iffy against Dewine is a far sight better than Brown's chances (which is part of why Dewine is blowing out Brown by something like 15%).  Brown is another in the long line of Northeast Ohio Democrats who have led the ODP to defeat over and over again (Tony Celebreeze, Lee Fischer, Tim Hagan, Mary Boyle, Joel Hyatt, and Eric Fingerhut ring any bells?).  But, because Brown was in the club, he got the hacks out to back him.  I admit that Brown was favored in the primaries as he had the Akron-Cleveland crowd behind him and that's who votes in Ohio Dem. primaries but Brown never had any chance at beating Dewine and that's part of what Hackett's appeal was (in addition to his straight talking and fairly liberal positions).

    "An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot." - Thomas Paine

    by Mister Gloom on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 04:31:04 PM PDT

    •  You got it a bit backwards. (0+ / 0-)

      You say, "Brown is another in the long line of Northeast Ohio Democrats who have led the ODP to defeat over and over again."

      I'd say the Ohio Democratic Party led them to defeat.  The party machine is a mess.

      And I also think that you and a whole lot of other people are too enamoured of Mr. Hackett.  I supported him staying in the race as well--I thought it would have strengthened the candidate that emerged.

      But Hackett had about three months to his campaign and had not even registered above a 10% in state-wide name recognition.

      Netroots can get you money, but it can't get you votes.  You've got to do that yourself. And building a state-wide coalition is not an easy thing to do.

      Brown's been at it at the State level and now in the House (and from a 50-50 district by the way) for quite some time.  His machine was hard to beat.

      Hackett started at it too late.

      But he's got his PAC going now that that will be extremely helpful.  2006 can still be the Year of the Fighting Dem.

      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

        >>I'd say the Ohio Democratic Party led them to defeat.  The party machine is a mess.<<</p>

        The only one that this is potentially true of is Lee Fischer.  Hagan ran an actively bad campaign (as another kossack wrote "disaster would be putting it mildly") and Ohio really did not take to the others.

        >>And I also think that you and a whole lot of other people are too enamoured of Mr. Hackett.  I supported him staying in the race as well--I thought it would have strengthened the candidate that emerged.

        But Hackett had about three months to his campaign and had not even registered above a 10% in state-wide name recognition.<<</p>

        The thing is, when I look at the counties that Kerry lost that he scored 46% or better in (if third party votes are ignored) are Wood, Ottowa, Pike, Scioto, Hamilton, Clark, Lake, Harrison, Columbiana, and Perry.  Out of this group Hackett's background and style would have served to appeal to all but one (I think suburban Lake county would have seen him as a vulgarian) while I don't think Brown would even do as well as Kerry did.  Unions don't have a lot of strength electorally in this region (except in Hamilton, and even then that's mostly in Cincy) while Hackett's "straight talk" style would have appealed to them.  I can't see how Brown gets votes outside of what Kerry got in 2004, which weren't enough to win.  

        >>Brown's been at it at the State level and now in the House (and from a 50-50 district by the way) for quite some time. <<</p>

        His district is made up of about half of Summitt county and Loraine county both of which went fairly safely to Kerry last year.  Heck, this year there is a good chance that carpetbagging Capri Cafaro (complete with Traficant ties) could beat the Republican mayor of Lorain in the general election for the seat.  While not garuanteed the fact that an extraordinarily weak Democrat is considered to have a chance over a strong Republican indicates the partisan strength of the district (I really don't want this to happen because Cafaro is the only "serious" Democratic candidate the Republicans would have any hope of beating).  Brown's district isn't 100% safe but it's similar to Marcy Kaptur's in that it'll go Democrat unless the Dem is a complete and total disaster.

        "An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot." - Thomas Paine

        by Mister Gloom on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 07:35:28 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  It is too bad that we can't get off this (0+ / 0-)

        Hackett/Brown thing.  Hackett never mentioned Brown in the segment and he wasn't putting him down.  The segment was really about the lousy Dem consultants and Dems needing to grow a pair of balls.

        It is too bad that Brown is even mentioned in any of these posts.  It isn't about him.

        Hopefully Brown wins the Senate race.  Dems need to take over the Senate.

        Obama: "Because We Won... We Have to Win." 6/6/08

        by Drdemocrat on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 07:39:09 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Maybe he read CTG? (3+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    dougymi, Albatross, Jiminy Cricket

    I thought the whole bit was taken directly from the criticisms of the Democratic party made in "Crashing the Gate."  It was a scathing indictment of "business as usual" within the party and who better to symbolize that than Hackett?  Maybe pointing this out on the Daily Show will get them to notice?

    When a whole nation is roaring Patriotism at the top of its voice, I am fain to explore the cleanness of its hands and the purity of its heart. - Emerson

    by foolrex on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 04:43:30 PM PDT

  •  Hackett was the better choice but as usual (0+ / 0-)

    Are "Leaders" picked for us they turned Democratic Fundraisers agenst the Hackett campaign. And they stooped as low as the Repbulicans by putting out rumors against Hackett's war service about playing with body parts and other disgusting non truthful things. People attack Hackett for not jumping into OH-02 unlike Mr. Brown Hackett doesn't like to create competitive primaries in districts and states that allready have strong challengers. I get all this crap that Hackett doesn't care about the party he wasn't the one that started a competitve primary and used the establishment to get his primary opponent. And all of this crap that Hackett is a Republican if he was a Republican he would have ran in OH-02 as a Republican and won the General without trouble, he didn't he ran as a Democrat because he belives in the Democratic party of FDR, Truman, Kennedy... the Party that Schumer and Emanuel have forgotten. Now i wish Brown the best of luck in 2006 but if he wants his numbers up he should apologize for the behavoir of the establishment that was on the behalf of Congressman Brown. His poll ratings are low because of it he should acknowledge the mistake and move on and unite the Democratic party agenst Dewine.

    Rebuild America. Obama 08!

    by dieharddemocrat on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 04:49:52 PM PDT

  •  Goldfish needs to lighten up (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    Albatross

    It was funny!! It was suppose to be a joke.  Hackett was poking fun at himself and the Democratic Party.

    The Daily Show came to HIM not the other way around and Hackett said okay.  You are just taking this way too seriously.

    The Brown/Hackett thing is over and Hackett knows it.

    You maybe need to take a bath or something to lighten up.

    Obama: "Because We Won... We Have to Win." 6/6/08

    by Drdemocrat on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 05:21:51 PM PDT

  •  Goldfish and you want Feingold for President (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    dkmich, Bob Brigham

    What did Feingold do but bash Democrats on Fox News of all places as being cowards.  So you are bashing Hackett for poking fun at Democrats when it is okay for Feingold to do it.

    You are a hypocrite.

    Obama: "Because We Won... We Have to Win." 6/6/08

    by Drdemocrat on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 05:24:05 PM PDT

  •  Primaries are hard... (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    dkmich

    Go Brown

  •  How dare he put voters and ideas before party! (4+ / 0-)

    How dare he have a sense of humor!
    How dare he participate in the most insightful critique of the most hyper-efficient loser factory on the planet ever produced!
    You tell him!

    levity defies gravity

    by Levity on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 05:34:06 PM PDT

  •  God bless Paul Hackett (3+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    dkmich, Bob Brigham, geminiartist71

    He needs to be elected! Now! I have no doubt, that, unlike almost every other representative (except RUSS!) Paul will keep the fire lit under everyone's ass once he's in Congress.  He's a man of his word! As he said, I couldn't enter the congressional race because I HAD PROMISED THE OTHERS THAT I WOULDN'T! That's who we need.

  •  great SATIRE (4+ / 0-)

    The Hackett piece was spot-on.  The disclaimer at the end of the fake commercial was great - brought to you by people who don't know what they're doing and are scared shitless to make strong choices.

    OWOWFO (Old White Ohio Woman for Obama) -7.00, -5.38 Support ePluribus Media

    by Jesus was a Liberal on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 05:55:44 PM PDT

  •  I missed TDS last night (0+ / 0-)

    and with all the fuss I decided to check out the rebroadcast at 8PM tonight.

    I thought it was really really funny.

    And I don't think they got into the specifics of the Hackett/DSCC thing enough for it to matter.

    What was funny was how the consultants coach the dems on how not to speak their minds.

    TDS frequently attacks dems for sucking at politics ("pick up your game guys"), but rarely if ever hits us on ideology. Not too different than this place really.

  •  i recommended the thread (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    Goldfish