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The Purity of Unicorn Farts

Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 04:14:56 AM PDT

Last Friday Hunter wrote a brilliant piece on the Great Conservative Walkback. One thread that comes out of that phenomenon that he touched on but didn't tease out more is the amazing similarities between this grand experiement of Conservatism and the 20th-century grand experiements in Communism. The lesson is the same, and we should pay attention to that lesson.

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The problem with grand ideologies, with sweeping world systems that are guaranteed to create that shining city on the hill is that, in the end, they have to be implemented by human beings. Communism sounded like a great idea to many people in the early 20th-century who witnessed the grinding inequalities most people had to suffer under. Poverty, injustice, discrimination, were the problems and some thought that this wonderful idea would be the answer.

Unfortunately, humans are not like pristine, elegant theories. We're quite messy and complex and full of contradiction. No matter how well-thought-out your theory, as soon as people have to put it into practice, parts get left out, changed, warped, corrupted and just generally screwed up.

As soon as a theory comes into practice, other forces besides the original motivations spoil the broth: greed, laziness, fear, ignorance, prejudice...  As Hunter said about the grand conservative experiment we've been suffering under since 2001:

We could choose to believe that they've just been terribly unlucky in electing leaders too dimwitted or corrupt to really implement conservatism, of course. We could choose to keep believing in the power of unimpeded unicorn farts. Or we could judge conservatism, quite reasonably, on the actions of those that say they are conservatives, and hold them to be the true conservative intent:

    * Tax cuts for the rich, and an increased tax burden on the poor and middle class.

    * Cash giveaways of historic proportions to selected industries.

    * A stifling and public condemnation of science.

    * Record deficits.

    * Rampant nepotism and cronyism.

    * Decreased civil liberties.

    * Pork by the barrelful.

What's conservatism? That is. There's no question about it, and hand-waving speeches don't enter into it. Conservatives have the entirety of legislative and executive power, in the Presidency, in the Senate, and in the House. They could choose to implement whatever they want. They have chosen to implement precisely what they want. We're living it.

See, it doesn't matter when conservatives point to Bush's huge spending and say, "But he wasn't really conservative! So this doesn't count!"  Well, we can point to their great bugaboo, the old Soviet Union and say, "But that wasn't Communism, so that doesn't count."  They shouldn't buy that argument any more than we should buy theirs.

They gave it a shot, they held all the cards, all the levers of power and they failed. What is the lesson we should derive from all of this? The biggest one is that grand theories do not work. Period. The world is too messy, changes too quickly, and people always screw them up.

I believe the practical lesson is that when we go to define who we are and what we will do, while we should have basic, core values that inform our actions, those values should be policy-agnostic. Yes, there will be policies out there, but we don't start out by knowing what they are.

We instead should clearly define out values, our objectives, our goals and then develop policies that fit the realities of the times that strongly support these goals. As the realities change, change policies, but always, always check those policies against your basic values, your goals for where you want this country to be in 5, 10, 15 years. Every single policy, every single program should be validated against these values. How strongly, how weakly do they support those values? If you can't justify it against those values, then seriously question if it is needed. In other words, bring rationality back into government, but rationality based on guiding principles of core values. I call it "Value-driven Pragmatism."

The failure of grand policy schemes based on theoretically ideas of how government and society should work always fail because they're not truly based in reality. Societies are not neat and tidy machines. We have to be able to adapt our policies and governmental structures to a rapidly changing world, but our adaptations have to align with certain, basic values.

Without the strong, underlying value system, we have chaos and the strong and powerful will eventually win over the weak. Without the ability to adapt to a reality-based view of the world, we end up relying on the purity of unicorn farts to see us through.

Plane Crazy

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    by PlaneCrazy on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 04:11:12 AM PDT

    •  One serious nitpick (9+ / 0-)

      The biggest [lesson] is that grand theories do not work.

      So, you would argue that the grand theory of America won't work either?? The American experiment is doomed to failure??

      I'm sorry, but just because two grand theories failed, that does not mean that all are doomed to a similar fate, that there isn't some grand theory out there which, when implemented by human beings, will work.

      If I accept this "lesson", then I also have to accept that 1) world peace is an impossible ideal and I should give up hope for achieving it, 2) that the American experiment is doomed and I should just be apathetic and accept tyranny, 3) that the christian ideal in human relationships (ie, love for our fellow man) can never be achieved.... I could go on. All of those are grand ideas. And you are ready to give up on them?

      Sorry, but I'm just not buying it, because if I do, then apathy is the necessary outcome of that viewpoint (and you see where apathy has gotten us, no?). I prefer to believe that there is something worth living for, worth working toward, even if that something hasn't even been discovered or clearly enunciated yet. So, I think you've learned the wrong lesson. You've taken the evidence and drawn a an all-encompassing conclusion from it that the evidence doesn't support. It is important we learn from our mistakes, but it is similarly important that we learn the right lessons from it.

      Yes, we've learned conservatism is a failure. The question now is, what grand vision will replace it? There will eventually be one. The real question is whether it will be defined by us and our beliefs/principles or someone else. Personally, I think it is our turn again at the bat on this front.

      •  In fact, you contradict this lesson later. (4+ / 0-)

        Without the strong, underlying value system, we have chaos and the strong and powerful will eventually win over the weak.

        And just what, exactly, will those values be based on? I can guarantee that it will be some grand social theory, just as conservative values emanate from their grand theory (both social and economic). So, in a sense, you have just contradicted yourself. You admit the need for values for social order, but aren't willing to accept that any given set of values for a social order always emanate from larger, umbrella principles and theories that are generally accepted by the larger society.

        •  Values (9+ / 0-)

          Young children naturally develop a sense of right and wrong, of fairness, of beauty. Those are values; those are values enough to base a very fine world on. Those are values at the core of what we are as human beings.

          Read Francis Hutcheson, the favorite philosopher of Jefferson and the other Founders. He didn't have a grand theory from which to derive core values, instead he carefully observed how those core values were already in our nature — that what we find admirable and beautiful is not just what is good for ourselves, but what is good for other people.

          To the extent Hutcheson's findings constitute a theory, it's the theory that led to the experiment that has been America. To the extent America has been, in many respects over much of its history, great, it's the proof of the theory.

          Hutcheson was in sharp disagreement with those who believe that human beings are essentially selfish, and require culture or religion to restrain that and make us good. His stand is the polar opposite of the Dobsons and Falwells, who treat "values" as something to chain us with, least we be beasts.

          •  No, they don't. (4+ / 0-)

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            Didn't you read Lord of the Flies?  Children are naturally savage creatures who need to be instructed in fairness, beauty and values.

            A large segment of the American public is infantilized to the point where they are only concerned with their own narrow lives.  Of course, that kind of simplistic thinking doesn't let them see where larger issues impact them negatively.  Thus, they vote emotionally and not logically.

            The Dobsons and Foulwells play into that selfishness.  They don't ameliorate it at all.  The kind of "values" they espouse are chained to blind faith.

          •  They do? (0+ / 0-)

            To me it seems clear that the values developed by children substantially depend on those held by their parents, caretakers, and broader society.  I don't know how you can assume that children "naturally" develop these values.  I think I would argue that the values that are "at the core of what we are as human beings" are merely the values that have been most apt at constructing and maintaining succesful societies.  Just because Hutcheson's historical circumstances led him to develop an optimistc world-view doesn't mean that his theory is more "natural" than others.  From what I've read (and it ain't much - maybe you can help me out with this), Hutcheson led a pretty easy life.  If his experience had been a little more harrowing etc, he might not have developed such a rosy philosophy.

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            by vejoaronda on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 08:36:28 AM PDT

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          •  not to pile on, but... (0+ / 0-)

            empathy is NOT an innate quality, it's a learned quality. And empathy is arguably the basis for all good values, particularly a sense of fairness and knowing right from wrong.

            If left to our own natural instincts from birth, we would all be self-serving, amoral animals. Which is why families like the Bushes are so fucked up: lil' Georgie and his brothers are the product of the son of Nazi collaborators and Lady MacBeth.

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            by snookybeh on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 09:23:57 AM PDT

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            •  just one persons experience (0+ / 0-)

              I have observed innate empathy in children while raising them. children spontaneously share food (it takes years of training to stop them from doing that), and they cry from a very early age when they hear another child crying.  In fact the survival of the child to some degree depends on empathy... the ability to "read" the mom/dad from very early on.

              On the other hand, there are plenty of times when a child is not empathetic. I believe that empathy is an innate tendency of people which can either be increased or reduced by training.

              Part of our "natural instincts" are gregarious desires to be part of a group.

          •  Spoken like someone who's never worked childcare (4+ / 0-)

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            Young children naturally develop a sense of right and wrong, of fairness, of beauty. Those are values; those are values enough to base a very fine world on. Those are values at the core of what we are as human beings.

            Yeah, I know a couple people have gotten on you about this already, but come on. I'd suggest volunteering at a childcare to discover what the children of people who do not instill fairness, beauty, right & wrong, &etc. are like.

            To the point of the diary and the thread - the great experiment of America has one major difference from both Communism and Neo-Conservatism, namely while the authoritarian Communists and Neocons say Trust us and obey, for we know better than you - after all, we have Our Theory - what America is about is Don't trust us. Think for yourself. You can work out the theory between yourselves.

      •  the American experiment isn't 'grand' at all (17+ / 0-)

        At least not in the sense being discussed here.  The founders were terribly cynical people, and even the ones who leaned monarchist didn't believe that governments were perfectible, because it's human nature to abuse power when you have it.  Their working model was precisely what PlaneCrazy is saying here, only substitute monarchy for Communism/Conservatism.  

        This in no way undermines the Christian ideal of human relationships.  It simply gives you and your neighbors a practical safety net (separation of powers, freedom of press and religion) in the event that the representatives you happen to elect aren't actually the saints you thought they were.  If they're saints, great.  If not, well, at least the damage can be contained.  And there's certainly nothing to prevent you or I or anyone else from being a saint, or from just doing our best to live the Christian ideal (or the coincidentally very similar and coincidentally similarly rare Buddhist, or Wiccan ideals).  

        •  Cynicism (10+ / 0-)

          I think you put your finger on it. The founders didn't trust people to get it right. That's why they deliberately devised a system that would force people to work together to at least get it right now.

          And it worked, just so long as we didn't have Ideolaters coming along and mucking up the works with their Grand Ideas about how they could improve it so that people wouldn't have to compromise anymore.

          •  It's Not the Idealogues (10+ / 0-)

            It's the entire new contemporary planet unanticipated by the framers that gives idiotic idealogues the power and reach to violate and ignore the system.

            We've not done what the framers insisted was necessary--keeping our system up to date with the world it lives in. Its stone-age conception of 'press' for example gives all the Constitutional rights to the handful of owners of the realtime mass media, protecting them against the people and society.

            So we have the most advanced nation in history with a population who cannot be reached with an adult message and who cannot assemble, speak, or petition in the prime venue of our age.

            Find a way to give the Constitutional system a public square, and then under that system the people can easily handle any of the other challenges.

            Keep letting a few noblemen own and operate the public square as their private property, and none of our grandest theories or cultural inheritance is worth a bucket of warm piss.

            We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

            by Gooserock on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 07:54:35 AM PDT

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      •  I guess it wasn't very clear (10+ / 0-)

        that what I'm talking about are ideologies and their details systems of "how" to do things. One of the powerful elements of our system is that we set up some basic values and we were lucky enough to have a good basic system set up to enforce those values (individual rights, balance of powers to avoide centralized power, rule of law...) and yet the system has built into it the flexibility to change. This is what has allowed us to keep one Constitution longer than any other existing country.

        It's not the grand theories, per se, it's the complete systems they attempted to set up, the complete set of solutions that fails. These solutions are invariably based only on theory, ignore human nature and change, and are easily hijacked.

        In a way, our underlying grand experiment of America is the exception, and the so-far, successful exception. I mentioned that our Revolution was different in that it has succeeded in staying true to most of the founders' ideals.

        I guess where I would disagree with you is your assertion that I think all grand theories are failures. What I didn't make clear, but now see behind what I wrote, is that I believe we already have a very viable grand experiment here in what our founders set up. What we need to do is use this system, which was purposely very flexible, to promote the core values, the things "worth living for, worth working toward". What we don't need is another grand theory, another grand experiment to replace it.

        I'm also one of those people who do not believe that we will ever attain ideals, but that by no means we should stop striving for them. We should not give up on our values, but we should be suspicious of anyone coming along with a "brand new plan" to get us there.

        Plane

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        by PlaneCrazy on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 07:27:27 AM PDT

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      •  question... (3+ / 0-)

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        ..which grand theory of America are you refering to?  If it's democracy then it's failure or success is far from certain.  But, the founders of this country realized the inherently flawed nature of human beings and created a government of laws not people.  Even with their grand visions of equality and justice for all, the reality of it was far from perfect at it's founding.  "America" is and always has been a work in progress.  Inching towards a goal that may never be fully achieved but one that people are constantly trying to improve upon.

        But there are also forces in this country that want to dismantal and regress back to good old days that never were.  The country is in a constant struggle between these forces for progression and regression.  Over the long term progression has won out but there have been several lapses as well.  But neither side will "win" because it's in the struggle that we improve.

      •  The problem is politics (1+ / 0-)

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        The problem lies with the forced political application of a grand ideology onto an inherently flawed institution that is government.  The founding fathers recognized that government will always be inherently flawed and easily corrupted, and therefore worked assiduously to define a sytem of checks and balances to mitigate the ability for exploitation.  Rigid application of social/political/religious ideology will never work.  In my opinion, that is one of the tenets of progressivism.

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        by Progressive Liberaltarian on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 09:37:33 AM PDT

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        •  The Framers must have known the triangle (0+ / 0-)

          is the most stable of geometric shapes, ergo the three branches of our federal government.  Whenever one branch acts up, there are two others to pound it down.

          Maybe I'm too optimistic about this, but I still trust the collective judgement of the American people.  We've got a lot of Congresscritters running scared.  We'll have to see this November.  

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          by Ice Blue on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 01:04:43 PM PDT

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      •  I think you're all missing the point (0+ / 0-)

        The point is not that "conservatism" doesn't work. It actually might have valid aspects.

        What doesn't work is a system where the politicians are wholly owned subsidiaries of the entities that fund them. What corrupts the system more than anything and that caused it to lean hard towards the corporations and the wealthy is that the corporations and the wealthy are the ones who flip the bill to keep these greed mongers in business -err... in office.

        The only way to see what form of governmental theories really work is to disassociate the politicians from all prejudice and bias - i.e. the impossible task of having publicly funded elections, preventing every form of bribery and corruption (including not paying representative's spouses $200,000 "consulting fee" for doing nothing) and ending bias and corruption of the media so that everyone has an equal voice.

        Now that in itself is an impossible task, only fathomable when someone gets in a time machine and adds a few articles to the original draft of the Constitution. So to achieve utopia in a system already destined for corruption would be the chimpanzee typing "Hamlet" by random chance. Only one thing could possibly push us the distance to recreate the system in a less corruptible form, and it rhymes with evolution.

      •  You are right and you are wrong (0+ / 0-)

        You are right that America is, in my opinion, the grandest dream/theory of them all. And it has worked, so far.

        After our constitution was ratified, I believe it was Franklin who said when asked what kind of government we had, he replied "A Republic, if you can keep it." He was all too aware that humans are imperfect, which is why our founding fathers created a nation of laws, a nation of checks and balances rather than a nation ruled by the whims of man.

        Now in the twilight of our Constitution, we can see so clearly what happens when we disregard those checks and balances and instead become a nation ruled by the whims of man.

        Is America doomed to failure? That's a question that's been rolling around in my head for awhile. Here's what I think about it:

        The American dream can never die as long it burns inside each of our hearts because the people are the biggest and most important check on government that there is. When the the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government fail to check and balance each other, then it is our duty to step up to save the republic.

        That sounds so melodramatic but then these are strange days indeed. I never thought I'd see the day when America was in danger of dying.

        It's like Apple and Microsoft. Without Apple, Microsoft wouldn't have anything to copy. Edwards is the idea factory. -demwords

        by Jiminy Cricket on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 02:34:25 PM PDT

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    But let me start a conversation by suggesting that you're incorrect.  The Current Conservative Movement isn't failing at all.

    The Christian Right is getting what it wants.

    The Kleptocrats are getting what they want.

    And that, right there, is the entire Current Conservative Movement: the theocrats and the kleptocrats.  

    You quoted Hunter as saying that they had their chance, and got what they wanted.  Well, that's true.  They have gotten exactly what they wanted.  There's no failure here, at all.

    •  Isn't that a curse in some culture? (11+ / 0-)

      May you get everything you want.

      It's the old adage about dealing with the devil, or with genies.  There's always a sting in the tail.

    •  they may be getting what they want (4+ / 0-)

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      but i suspect, in the end, they'll all get their due.

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      by sedrunsic on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 05:42:19 AM PDT

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    •  I agree that they have gotten 'their due' (8+ / 0-)

      - by hook and by crook. And I think that fact should form the basic framework for our campaign to regain a Democratic majority in this country. The Republican Party, given the opportunity to control the entire apparatus of American government, has failed to govern the country in the interest of most Americans. It's now us - most Americans - against them - the Republican, "conservative" elites of cronyism, corruption, incompetence, fiscal profligacy, failed foreign adventurism, and failure to recognize and deal with the real threats to American interests. Most Americans already realize the truth of this situation in general. Our job is now two-fold - to drive a rhetorical stake in the heart of the term "conservative," and to frame an alternative "progressive" agenda that will assemble an elective and governing coalition to represent the will of the majority of Americans.

      The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings. -- Julius Caesar, I.ii.

      by semiot on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 05:55:11 AM PDT

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    •  Good point, but... (24+ / 0-)

      The dissapointment I, and I believe Hunter, were talking about is that being experienced by the ideologues of the traditional conservative movement. This is the conservative movement of small government, budget constraints, libertarian freedoms, etc...

      I equate these people with the Marxist ideologues of the Communist movement. Once they actually had a government to play with, the true bullies, those just out for power, were able to take over. This is a typical pattern for revolutions.

      Our first revolution, back in 1776 was highly unusual among revolutions for its success in sticking pretty closely to the original principles of the revolutionaries.

      Our latest revolution, a slow-motion one over the last 30 years, hasn't been as successful. The ideologues who began the revolution have either died off, or their heirs have been slowly shut out of the corridors of power and relegated to "pundit" status, which has recently changed to "frustrated pundit" status.

      Once a movement attains power, that power attracts unsavory characters who talk the talk, but have their own agendas. The Corporatists have managed to gain power through a blind of saying the right Conservative things and pandering to the Theocons just enough to stay in power. They're the real winners here.

      The Theocons have been given some scraps and shiney objects to keep them happy, but nothing of real substance. And now that the ideologues are noticing that the emperor has no clothes on, they are competing to see who's the loudest to claim the unicorn's fart is just not pure enough, so they should be given another chance.

      Too bad, I called "No do-overs" before they said anything.

      Plane.

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      by PlaneCrazy on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 06:02:51 AM PDT

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      •  Spot on. (3+ / 0-)

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        "I equate these people with the Marxist ideologues of the Communist movement. Once they actually had a government to play with, the true bullies, those just out for power, were able to take over. This is a typical pattern for revolutions."

        Didn't some of our Neo-cons come from the ranks of the radical left?  When that movement failed to gain a toe-hold they switched allegiances to the radical right.  Power is all they want (and torture is their affirmation).  They are true enemies of our government (hence our Constitution, structured as strong as possible to keep power out of the hands of oligarchs).  

        Two war crimes make 'the right', not 'a right'. Defeat the liar John McCain.

        by Yellow Canary on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 07:02:34 AM PDT

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      •  Disagree (7+ / 0-)

        It's often claimed that "Oh, Trotsky and Lenin were pure; it was only Stalin who wrecked things." Nonsense. Trotsky and Lenin were more educated and cultured, but still deeply evil, scheming, vicious men. Same with Mao, who has been similarly idealized by many on the left but who lasted long enough there is no alternative but to see him for what he was, no successor to blame for "betraying his legacy."

        Anyone who serves a totalizing system at the level of implementation is deeply corrupted by that service. There are often dreamers, students, others who entertain the prospect favorably but don't actually obtain the power to implement, who are innocent enough in their delusions. But those who actually gain power and move to impose those delusions on the world are — no matter what the delusional specifics and design — exemplars of evil without exception. Because their systems are delusional, there is no way they can effect them without crushing people who are better grounded in reality, in the natural goodness that is within us when not corrupted by culture or disease. Grand systems only come into effect when they can crush that goodness, which naturally opposes them.

        In the early stages, as with the poets and graphic artists right after the Russian Revolution, good people will hope that the new leaders have an actual handle on bringing about a better world than the old ones did. But the artists are always, inevitably, brutally suppressed — no grand theory is compatible with free art, since no theory is grand enough to encompass the vastness and range of virtues that human spirits can express there.

        •  I would like to vote for the artists and poets (4+ / 0-)

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        •  Historically, I agree (5+ / 0-)

          None of the group who came to power in Russia were actually true ideologues. The true ideologues were those in the US or Europe who intellectually supported the Soviet Union. For many of these, their eyes weren't really opened until the atrocities of Stalin began to be known.

          There are true ideologues in conservative circles. These are people who sincerely believe that we need to eliminate Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, the Dept. of Education, the Dept. of Commerce, basically anything in the federal government beyond military, state dept. and border control.  There are other pure ideologues who have variations on these beliefs. They are generally not the ones who get into power, nor are they the ones who become the think-tank whores. Some are pundits. I would put Buchanan in this category because he's been consistant in his reprehensible rants. He's been a huge critic of Bush for a while now.

          The people I have the most problem with, and the origin of Hunter's excellent diaries, are those who were big cheerleaders of Bush while he was popular because of either desire for power, or because they thought they'd get what they really wanted if he could get in, no matter how much they actually disagreed with him. Now that his administration is tanking, they are walking it back and saying that they had no idea he was not a real conservative.

          I agree completely with your statement:

          Anyone who serves a totalizing system at the level of implementation is deeply corrupted by that service. There are often dreamers, students, others who entertain the prospect favorably but don't actually obtain the power to implement, who are innocent enough in their delusions. But those who actually gain power and move to impose those delusions on the world are â€" no matter what the delusional specifics and design â€" exemplars of evil without exception. Because their systems are delusional, there is no way they can effect them without crushing people who are better grounded in reality, in the natural goodness that is within us when not corrupted by culture or disease. Grand systems only come into effect when they can crush that goodness, which naturally opposes them.

          To that I say, "Hear hear!"

          Plane

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          by PlaneCrazy on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 07:36:56 AM PDT

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          •  Power Amplifies (we're all capable of evil) (3+ / 0-)

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            Power, by definition, amplifies one's voice in any situation. It's a necessary step in getting things done, in establishing leadership and focussing on necessary actions.

            Power, in and of itself, is neutral force. Since humans are flawed, power's amplification doesn't simply apply to our rational actions, but also to human errors and shortcomings.

            I believe it's useful for everyone to imagine what they would do with absolute power. But not simply as a wish-fulfillment experiment.

            Imagine your personal flaws magnified to the scale of the world. If you harbor a secret fetish for extreme BDSM, how quickly would real torture chambers begin to spread? If you have a "feeder" tendency, would you prescribe Ambien and high-fructose corn syrup for all, and watch your subjects fatten? Seriously, think of your worst or weirdest personal fantasy, and unleash it in your mind. And don't forget to magnify things you're bad at or ignorant about onto a global scale.

            Then step back and calculate what that would look like in the real world, smashing into everyone else's ordinary lives.

            "Unicorn farts" is a potent meme precisely because it points out how the barrier between one's fantasies and one's ability to actualize them is broken down when handed the reins of power.

            John Tolkien, of One Ring of Power fame, actually explored this briefly in a draft letter to a fan who wondered what would happen if the Gandalf, the definitive 'good wizard', had taken and used the Ring:

            "He would have remained 'righteous', but self-righteous. He would have continued to rule and order things for 'good'... Thus while Sauron multiplied... evil, he left 'good' clearly distinguishable from it. Gandalf would have made good detestable and seem evil."

            Ah, the power of fantasy and the imagination. Try applying it to yourself, and it's easy to see how Stalin, Mao, Mapoleon and so on are all just members our extended, dysfunctional human family. And why it's so importantto guard against such concentrations of power.

            "To such thinking you have only to say 'the land you loved is doomed' to excuse any treachery, indeed to glorify it." -Tolkien, On Fairy-Stories, 1938.

            by Yamara on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 10:47:55 AM PDT

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      •  From philosophy to movement in 5 easy steps (0+ / 0-)

        Take the denoted definition of conservatism, remove its soul, and then add intellectual dishonesty, greed, religion, and totalitariansim and you have the current GOP Movement.

        "Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

        by Progressive Liberaltarian on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 09:48:38 AM PDT

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    •  They knew full well what was happening (7+ / 0-)

      Tough nuts, who cares what they're LABELING themselves these days: they were wrong to do what they've been doing the last six years. They just all thought SOMEONE ELSE was getting screwed and would be stuck cleaning up the mess.
      .
      Whoops.
      .
      They all got a piece of the action and took turns driving away oversight, like hoods watching for the cops.
      .
      They were greedy bigots who wanted their way or else, did their bit to keep the orgy going, and they got their piece of the action.
      .
      No one gives a crap about whether what they did was 'real' conservatism or not. It was fucking WRONG. They did the crime. We saw them do it. End of story.
      .

    •  This is exactly what needs to be in the forefront (6+ / 0-)

      of all progressive campaigns in 2006 and 2008.  Those people who think of themselves as conservative should be made to re-examine their values through campaign strategies that shine a light on what 'conservatism' has looked (and smelled) like since 2001.

      As a blue dot in a sea of red, I see many of my conservative friends, neighbors, and colleagues beginning to distance themselves from the GOP.  At the very least, they are not as vehement in their verbose attacks on Democrats.

      Great diary - Recommended!

    •  their failure (9+ / 0-)

      Their failure is in not being able to run things without running them into the ground. Their failure is the World Trade Center. Their failure is Katrina. Their failure is Iraq.

      They lost the twin towers, they lost a city, they lost a country.

      Although certain groups may be getting what they wanted, they have failed the average citizens of the United States. Hence the polls showing such low approval ratings for the Pres, VP, and Congress.

  •  Let me be the frist to nominate this (16+ / 0-)

    as Title of the Year.

    What's so hard about Peace, Love, and Truth and Progress?

    by melvin on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 04:25:14 AM PDT

  •  It would have worked (8+ / 0-)

    if that liberal-bias press had just reported more stories about all the schools we painted!

    Oops. Wrong talking point.

    The effects of those tax cuts for the rich take a few years to show up in statistics--they will be obvious once a Democrat is elected president.

    #$^#*. I bungled that talking point, too.

    Fart louder, fart louder. Just let the unicorn fart louder and all will be right with the world.

    There, I finally nailed one!

  •  'When dreams are allowed . . . (26+ / 0-)


    . . . to become delusions of utopia, as Europeans know only too well after the debacles of national socialism and Stalinism, they tend to morph into nightmares."

    Mira Kamdar
    World Policy Journal
    Vol. XXII, No. 2
    Summer 2005

    Kandar's essay was, actually, an analysis of what was behind the French voting "Non" on last year's EU referendum on the new European constitution.  So, the quote above is sort of out of context.  However, sometimes a writer's or speaker's words are so well written or spoken, that they find themselves applicable to myriad situations and contexts.

    The GOP/American Taliban's Distopiac Dream is our double nightmare:  First, we -- the vast majority of American's don't want a new country based on equal parts In-Your-Face Southern Baptist Theology (such as it is) and Unregulated Crony Capitalism.  [Note:  Jimmy Carter left the Southern Baptist Convention a few years ago because he became disgusted with what it had become; so my "cut" re:  Southern Baptists is not just a random "lashing out", and I know many Southern Baptists who now struggle with how weird and radicalized this denomination has become].  Second, their road to getting where they want to go is littered with . . . well, with the dregs of destruction we see around us today:  busted budgets, unnecessary wars, worldwide fear and loathing of the U.S., morons with their hands on the levers of government, environmental rape, an energy policy based on the whims of big oil, etc.

    And, in the midst of all this, Capital Hill Democrats, most of 'em, remain dazed and confused over what to do (the classic "doe in the headlights").  The notion of LEADING and holding Bush accountable for his High Crimes doesn't seem to be in their range of "vision" (vision -- ha!).

    BenGoshi
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    "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

    by BenGoshi on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 04:53:25 AM PDT

  •  Hmmm.... (9+ / 0-)

    but if a unicorn farts in a roomful of Republicans is there anyone there to smell it?

    Going, Going, Going.....(in less than 12 months no more Bliar)

    by NeutralObserver on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 04:54:41 AM PDT

  •  Trotskyite apologists (10+ / 0-)

    Hasn't it been pointed out that many of the key Neo-Con thinkers were formerly Trotskyite Marxists?  This analogy makes perfect sense when you think about that.  The Trotskyites are the ones who discount the Soviet Union as an indictment of Communism because Stalin "betrayed the revolution", so it doesn't count.  Now they're pulling the same thing with Conservatism and Bush.  And sure, both Stalin and Bush betrayed the principles of their ideologies, but the point is that a fatally flawed ideology is doomed to betrayal.  

    •  What Flabby Thinking (0+ / 0-)

      Let's throw out Christianity because of David Koresh and Confucianism because of Mao (ask me about that one) and Hinduism cuz of those cracy Army of Shiva types.

      West Michigan Rising the new blog for progressives to build our left coast -- now live

      by philgoblue on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 05:52:59 AM PDT

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      •  I am rubber... (1+ / 0-)

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        and you are glue.

        Seriously, though, I was just drawing an analogy.  You're taking a much bigger leap in your response.  

        But I will concede that in the late 18th century, republican government (and democracy even moreso) was seen in much the same light that Communism is today: a beautiful idea in theory that is doomed to failure because it is hopelessly naive and foolish, failing to take human nature into account.  Until our Founders were finally able to strike the right balance between idealism and realism and prove everyone wrong.  

        The problem is it's impossible for us to determine for a fact which ideas are fatally flawed, and which ones are just tough to implement well.  So far, the evidence doesn't look good for either Communism or the Conservative Movement.  I'm ready to place my bets against them.  

        •  The Constitution (3+ / 0-)

          . . . our Founders were finally able to strike the right balance between idealism and realism . . . .

          For all of their failures (most especially on slavery), I have often thought that it is amazing that the Founders got as much right as they did - and that the reason that they were able to craft a plan for how to make a government that has survived for so many years is that they did in fact, temper their idealism - government obtains its power from the governed - with some understanding of human nature.

          E.g. you need an executive to carry out the laws made by a representative legislature to actually run the government in practical, implementing terms, but for the executive to have enough power to do this, the temptation will be strong to grab more power and to eventually get us back to what they were trying to get away from - a King. Hence, checks on executive power. Representative legislatures could enact tyranny of the majority laws. Hence, the Bill of Rights. And so on.

          Ideologues in power are always dangerous, regardless of the nature of the ideology, because eventually, like Plane says, messy human nature will get in the way of the purity of their ideals and then the response is to attack and suppress the messy humans who won't act the way those in power think they should.

          I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction, of the Constitution. - Barbara Jordan

          by Janet Strange on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 07:03:08 AM PDT

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        •  Ideas and grand theories (2+ / 0-)

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          Republican government and democracy were not seen as grand theories. Rather they were seen as the heritage of the best periods of Rome and Greece and the Saxon tribes that Englishmen considered themselves the cultural heirs of. So it wasn't a utopian or Marxist-style leap-of-faith. Rather it was an intentionally conservative turn towards what was viewed as having been the best from their cultural heritage.

          That's what real conservatism is about: Returning to the best examples of history. It's never been about returning to the conditions of the reign of Vlad the Impailer. There's always a certain glossing and idealization involved, but at least it's an idealization of something that has some grounding in real human experience, some proof in that experience that it somewhat works, unlike the more Marxist dreams, whose only past evidence of realism is in the examples left by early Christian cults, which also strove to hold property in common &c.

    •  Keep ideology free-flowing? (6+ / 0-)

      the point is that a fatally flawed ideology is doomed to betrayal.  

      I think PlaneCrazy is positing that any strict ideology will fail:

      I believe the practical lesson is that when we go to define who we are and what we will do, while we should have basic, core values that inform our actions, those values should be policy-agnostic. Yes, there will be policies out there, but we don't start out by knowing what they are.

      Our basic core values are:
      •Take care of each other
      •Help those with less rise in society by assisting them with education, health care, child care, elderly care
      •Value personal and medical privacy
      •Promote honest learning and science
      •Respect the beliefs and customs of others, while keeping religion separate from state.

      Others?

      •  The gobbledygook = bullet points