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NY Times: Clear and Present Dangers

Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 02:05:05 AM PDT

Allen Brinkley reviews a book, in this article  that tells the story of the beginnings of those we lovingly call neocons, trolls, wingnuts etc.  Kevin Phillips, a former Nixon staffer and writer, helped create the framework for the GOP we see and shake our heads at today.  The book is:  AMERICAN THEOCRACY
The Peril and Politics of Radical Religion, Oil, and Borrowed Money in the 21st Century.

Phillips, it seems, has been shown the light and apparently deconstructs the GOP agenda for all to see.  Be afraid.  We might have suspected how far the far right wanted to go, but this book just might prove our suspicions were well founded.

the neat stuff lies below

the movement of people and resources from the old Northern industrial states into the South and the West (an area he enduringly labeled the "Sun Belt") would produce a new and more conservative Republican majority that would dominate American politics for decades. Phillips viewed the changes he predicted with optimism. A stronger Republican Party, he believed, would restore stability and order to a society experiencing disorienting and at times violent change.

Luckily, some Republicans are cursed with a conscience.

he long ago abandoned his enthusiasm for the Republican coalition he helped to build......No longer does he see Republican government as a source of stability and order. Instead, he presents a nightmarish vision of ideological extremism, catastrophic fiscal irresponsibility, rampant greed and dangerous shortsightedness.

Nightmarish vision?  Extremism?  Fiscal Irresponsibility? Not greed...RAMPANT greed?  Shortsightedness.  Hmmm.  Who among us has had similar misgivings?  Maybe Mr. Phillips is a closet dKos afficianado.

Instead, he identifies three broad and related trends -- none of them new to the Bush years but all of them, he believes, exacerbated by this administration's policies -- that together threaten the future of the United States and the world. One is the role of oil in defining and, as Phillips sees it, distorting American foreign and domestic policy. The second is the ominous intrusion of radical Christianity into politics and government. And the third is the astonishing levels of debt -- current and prospective -- that both the government and the American people have been heedlessly accumulating.

No shit huh?  Maybe Kevin should be enlisted to inform OUR leadership as to what the fuck is going on in this country.  They have obviously decided that we (the grunts who combat the lies, find the truth, document the scandals, tally the Congressional votes, monitor the polls) don't mean a fuck to them.  Maybe a former Nixon staffer can speak dumbanese well enough to make them hear the words.

The American press in the first days of the Iraq war reported extensively on the Pentagon's failure to post American troops in front of the National Museum in Baghdad, which, as a result, was looted of many of its great archaeological treasures. Less widely reported, but to Phillips far more meaningful, was the immediate posting of troops around the Iraqi Oil Ministry, which held the maps and charts that were the key to effective oil production.

How come when we say it the press ignores us?  But when a politico of any measure raises his or her voice the press comes a runnin?  It is sickening how lazy and ineffectual our "liberal" press has become.  Think the boys and girls of Watergate press hounds would have turned away from illegal spying on Americans, illegal searches and seizures, faulty intelligence that led to our loss of some 2500 American soldiers?  Think Tom Delay would have been laughing while getting his mugshot taken?  You think every one of Abramoff's secrets wouldn't be a matter of public record by now?  Bernstein and that other guy took down an administration with, in my opinion, less credible evidence than today's journalists are armed with.  They had Deepthroat.  We have Richard Clarke, Paul O'Neill, Joseph Wilson, Jack Abramoff, Duke Cunningham etc etc etfuckingcetera.  A dedicated press would be having a field day interviewing, corroborating, writing and exposing every dirty secret these people had to tell.  Today?  We have Hannity instead of Cronkite.  We have Tweety instead of Murrow.  We have Brian Williams and not Dan Rather.  (I like Brian Williams ok but I loved the Dan Rather that drove Nixon insane.)

that the pursuit of oil has for at least 30 years been one of the defining elements of American policy in the world; and that the Bush administration -- unusually dominated by oilmen -- has taken what the president deplored recently as the nation's addiction to oil to new and terrifying levels.

I'm just shocked, as I am sure all of you are too.
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sorry I had to pull my tongue out of my cheek.

On the far right is a still obscure but, Phillips says, rapidly growing group of "Christian Reconstructionists" who believe in a "Taliban-like" reversal of women's rights, who describe the separation of church and state as a "myth" and who call openly for a theocratic government shaped by Christian doctrine. A much larger group of Protestants, perhaps as many as a third of the population, claims to believe in the supposed biblical prophecies of an imminent "rapture" -- the return of Jesus to the world and the elevation of believers to heaven.

Scared yet?  

Don't know about you but I am buying this book.  

I'm going to end it there.  I'm not prone to spending this much time on a diary, but the article fascinated me.  I definitely urge you to follow the link and read the entire article.   update: buy the book here

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    •  What happens (5+ / 0-)

      when you're so scared for so long you're not even scared anymore? Is there a word for that? Help me out here.

      •  shell shock (8+ / 0-)

        I think its what I have too.  Ok, wait, I still rage against the Bush and wake at night with ambient fears that wont let me sleep.  I watch my kids sleep and I only get more freaked out.  Finally, I read myself to sleep with the hope that I wont wake up again, thinking about chimpy.

      •  apathy (1+ / 0-)

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        But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

        by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 05:49:58 AM PDT

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      •  Learn to stop worrying... (1+ / 0-)

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        and love the rapture!

        "it's a success that hasn't occurred yet" —The entirely nonpartisan Frances Fragos Townsend on capturing Osama bin Laden.

        by hour on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 11:05:20 AM PDT

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      •  cynicism? acceptance? (2+ / 0-)

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        I was a guest at a dinner given by an artist friend whose obviously conservative collector was present. My friend said "all the media pundits seem to be pronouncing the word nuclear as 'nukyular' these days... what's with that?" I replied, "they've been instructed to pronounce it that way." The conservative guest was shocked, shocked, at my response and said "that's so cynical!" I just shrugged. Could neither confirm nor deny, and couldn't care.

        I was just thinking this morning about how it's said that people get the government they deserve. Maybe it's true that collectively as a nation we have become so selfish, lazy and arrogant that it should come as no surprise that we degenerate into dictatorship. I thought of all the times I have been so fucking scared: those days after 9/11 when I agonized whether to take the bus or the subway to the war zone I worked in (two blocks from WTC) because - would there be anthrax? Only to find the investigation strangely stopped at our own military bio weapons labs in Fort Detrick, MD. And then nobody talked about anthrax any more. That's when my real, batshit insane rage began.

        I'm not going to buy this guy's book - borrow okay, but not purchase. I'd rather support the Noam Chomskys and Howard Zinns of our world. Not that it's not a good thing that some of these guys are beginning to see the light, but I just don't feel like adding to their royalties to tell me shit that I have known and have been fretting, sweating and crying over all along. One of the founding PNAC neocons, Francis Fukuyama, has recently jumped ship. Fine. but I'm still pissed at him and his kind. He helped birth this monster, and now that the chickens are really coming home to roost, he wants to go down on the good side of history.

        I do still get scared and enraged, but not so much anymore. So I'd say I'm somewhere between cynical and in acceptance. I think that in trying to understand our world today, you go through the Kubler-Ross stages of death - only it is the death of our civilization, the fall of an empire. This really is a watershed moment in history.

        But I still have hope. That's important. I will still sign petitions, call my senators. But I find myself trying to focus more on things that I CAN control such as learning about green building and how to get off the grid; imagining a more peaceful place to move to should martial law come to NYC; adopting a stray beagle : )

        It's also important to fight the fear and remember that Bush/Cheney are using fear exactly as terrorists (and that's what makes this thing so pathalogical) - to disempower us. Don't give in to them. They're afraid of us, too. We need to remember that and start scaring them back.

        •  'Beginning to see the light' (1+ / 0-)

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          I find myself in the bizarre position of (at least partly) defending someone who I think of as one of the prime architects of the Republican Empire, but here goes: Phillips didn't just wake up and smell the coffee, the way Fukuyama and a whole other bunch of cons and neocons have done; he's been disenchanted with Chimpy & Co. pretty much from the start. He is a very smart guy, and unlike the PNAC crew he's very clear-eyed. Too bad he worked for the Forces of Evil when he did, he did plenty of damage back then.

          My take on books like this one is: we're not really the target audience. Though I think there's always something to be learned from listening to one's opponent, he would truly be preaching to the choir on this topic. His real audience is the people who've been on his side for the last 30 years - the Republicans, who might finally get the message if it's delivered by one of their own, especially one who's been above the fray long enough so he's not obviously just trying to jump ship and save his own ass like Fukuyama.

          Great post, by the way. You struck a lot of emotional truths in there. And one word of advice: beagles can be terrible howlers.

          The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

          by sidnora on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 01:23:06 PM PDT

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          •  absolutely agree (1+ / 0-)

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            he's targeting republicans, trying to turn them from the dark side of the force.  But there are still plenty of lessons we can learn, "know the enemy" type stuff.

            But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

            by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 03:20:45 PM PDT

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          •  Phillips (1+ / 0-)

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            Thanks for clarifying his intent. Again, I do think it's a good and significant thing that conservatives are beginning to speak up to their Koolaided brethren, trying to save them from what's turned into a very bad acid trip for all of us.

            I didn't know who Phillips was. In fact, after spending time with all the informative posts here I'm now inspired to read American Theocracy as well as some of the prior titles like American Dynasty.

            and.. but... beagles are sooo cute!

        •  they are scared (1+ / 0-)

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          and its starting to show, now we just have to find some more Feingolds who are willing to seize the day.

          But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

          by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 03:19:13 PM PDT

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    •  indeed (3+ / 0-)

      Too many seem to believe that the US is somehow so much more righteousness that it can do no wrong. Righteous the US has always been in terms of notions of personal freedom, to be sure. But all societies have some dark spots. Ask the Germans, the Russians, Japanese about losing a nation to the hysteria of fascist ideology. Ask the Argentinians, Cambodians about how a nation can so easily be swept up in domestic terror. Perhaps we shall soon see the US learn these lessons, as well.

      Remember, it can't happen here.

      "They're telling us something we don't understand"
      General Charles de Gaulle, Mai '68

      by subtropolis on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 10:31:11 AM PDT

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  •  the gift that keeps on giving... (9+ / 0-)

    "new and terrifying levels", does not even begin to cover it...look around you and how many can even begin to describe what a even somewhat oil free life looks like.

    •  I have some friends who are as off the grid as (13+ / 0-)

      the law will allow in my state.

      they do have a backup generator and propane tank for emergencies but they don't draw a single watt from the main power grid unless they have too.  I've read of some people in states that have co-op electric that have such efficient personal power supplies that they actually "upload" electricity onto the grid and make a small profit for doing so.

      One day that's the position I'd like to be in.

      But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

      by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 03:33:50 AM PDT

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      •  I was talking with a good friend last night (13+ / 0-)

        who thinks he is a Libertarian (he is sort of but his understanding of that political ideology is cherry-picked) in any case I managed to get him out and vote Democratic in the last election, but the failure of the Democrats to respond to these trends has really pissed him off.  He didn't need this guy's book to see the dangers of the Fundies or the Military Industrial Complex.  He seems to be done with this whole thing and he is now talking about withdrawing from this political system and holing up with his own electricity and all that.  

        The Democrats little game of letting the GOP fall on their own sword not only has a lot of concrete dammaging effects (like really shitty laws and policies that undermine this democracy's stability), but also is really starting to alienate people they could have counted in their political calculations.

        It is very frustrating.  

        •  and how (2+ / 0-)

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          the dems are missing a prime chance to not only win new voters but to hold onto those voters far into the future.  Shortsightedness runs through both parties and the blinder shading the eyes is all the fat pork and all the fat perks courtesy the lobbyists.

          But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

          by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 07:16:19 AM PDT

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          •  I think the lobbyists play a part, but (12+ / 0-)

            at this point there aren't a lot courting our side since the K Street project came to full realization.  I actually think that the particular Democrats we have in this leadership in the early 21st Century just are not the best people for the time.  I think they are Clinton dems who did really well with v-chip initiatives in the peaceful and prosperous'90s, but realy aren't the sort of thinkers and visionaries that we need to defend the Consitution.  They are good at protecting kids, but that seems to be about it.  Its like trying to get the kindergarden teacher to debate a league of college physics professors on the theory of relativity.  (No offense intended toward kindergarten teachers because I loved most of mine).  Anyhow, you think they are corrupted and I agree to a point, but I really think they are just lightweights in a heavyweight era.  

            We have a war; we have numerous Consitutional offenses; we have destroyed our relationships with traditional democratic allies and replaced them with dictators and kingdoms; we have an all out assault on the Consitution taking place; and I just don't think that these people are really smart enough, or passionate enough or learned enough about what a democracy really is.  

            I live amongst them here in DC.  Many are waking up having their coffee within blocks of my house.  Their houses are not austentatious, they aren't driving jaguars, they are pretty middle class - most dems that is - the GOPers do drive jags and live in the fancy parts of town - but the bottom line is most of them are nice and pretty honest people.  I just don't think they are "good enough", passionate enough or tough enough to stop this watershed movement away from our democracy.  

            I hope they will prove me wrong.

            •  i wouldn't be so sure (7+ / 0-)

              Kstreet is controlled by the GOP but graft is never one sided in Congress.

              Like Boehner's records show he takes thousands of dollars in plane charters, hotel rooms, golf packages etc on the dime of big corporations...which isn't illegal if you disclose it.   There are Dems who are going to be named for accepting the same type of gifts.  I'm not saying a dem will go to prison ala Cunningham but I'd be surprised if a few dems haven't accepted some questionable corporate gifts.

              Plus, Dems know what the problem is in DC and they are complicit in letting the lobbyists run Congress by not actively pursuing the systems abusers.  Which I don't think is enough.  I think lobbyists need to be neutered in that any gift should be illegal.  They can continue to lobby their interests but the first time they offer money of any kind they should be booted and any official caught taking money from them should also be booted.  I also believe we need public election funds that can only be used for issue based ad buys and debate forums.  No more pac attack ads, no more campaign attack ads, no more pre-screened debates.  If we are serious about continuing with debates they need to be open forum.  Someone who wants to be president should be versed on the issues and should be able to argue his/her pts without aid of pre-screened questions.

              anyway theres a few more cents worth of my ramblings.

              But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

              by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 07:52:59 AM PDT

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              •  All of which I agree... just sayin' (3+ / 0-)

                that a lot of them aren't like that and at this point I just think they lack imagination and guts.  Moxie, courage, etc.  There a several who are not on the take.  Completely honest and upstanding.  BUT they aren't the kind of people who have the goods to get any of the things you suggest going.  Some of it is self interest, but a lot of it is pure and simple personality profile.

                •  i'm sure you are right (2+ / 0-)

                  i don't think all republicans are assholes, nor all democrats but what I do hate is that the good ones, the ones who know whats going on, do nothing to stop the insanity.  We have to raise the debt ceiling for 4th time in 4 years and what does Congress immediately do?  They go over that new highwater mark lickety-split.  And the votes were close in passing the bills.  Just a few courageous people needed to cross over and say "enough is enough".  But nope.  Didn't happen.  that's what I hate.  

                  But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

                  by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 08:10:27 AM PDT

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                •  Totally agree. (1+ / 0-)

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                  Not to pile on these guys, but they also seem to lack an organizational/managerial capacity.  Meaning, they either don't see the value in managing people effectively, or they see the value, but just don't know how to implement, or they are too insecure to enable an organization to and grow.

                  I've been involved with a number of Dem campaigns where this is a continuing feature (bug).  I think you're right it has something to do with the Dem personality, but it seems endemic and it is also a problem with the Dem farm team.

                  PATRIOT I+II, MCA, FISA CAPITULATION, NOW TORTURE. YOUR COUNTRY IS SLOWLY BEING DISMANTLED. WHAT R U GONNA DO ABOUT IT?

                  by maxschell on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 11:01:05 AM PDT

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              •  Oh please note that the dems are specifically (1+ / 0-)

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                who I was talking about with regards to being on the take or not.  Boehner is a Republican and they live like kings around here.  Please note - they don't live in this part of town - of course some of their staffers have been invading in recent years.  But this is the old Washington part of town.  We don't have a ton of mansions around here.

              •  Money is speech. (0+ / 0-)

                Corporations are people. A few judges have taken the Consitution and twisted it. And their twisted views count as legal precedent.

                We are the facilitators of our own creative evolution. - Bill Hicks

                by rjo on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 02:44:12 PM PDT

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                •  i blame a fraction of today's problems on the (0+ / 0-)

                  judiciary.  They may make mistakes from time to time but Congress is to blame for the wedge issues, campaign financing, social programs, budgets, war, etc...judges are appointed not elected, most don't have an ax to grind.  Judges like Silbermann are the exception not the rule (he being my poster child for bad  partisan judges)...the jury is still out on the new supreme court.

                  But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

                  by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 03:18:11 PM PDT

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            •  How Hard Is It (0+ / 0-)

              to vote against a bad bill, aka, Patriot, or vote for censure?  Especially right now when we don't have a majority.  Their vote won't win or lose a bill, but it would certainly - and has certainly - made us notice.  It's pathetic.

              This administration steps all over the law and the dems disappear like roaches when you turn on the light.  One can only start to presume they're in it up to their eyeballs too.  

              •  about as hard as pushing the button on ur remote (0+ / 0-)

                or typing on ur keyboard.

                snark aside, still not very hard....if you have some sense of morality and ethics and the backbone see your convictions thru.

                But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

                by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 03:14:45 PM PDT

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  •  He also wrote (11+ / 0-)

    American Dynasty a couple years back. It was a good read and very frightening like some of the quotes given in this diary. Thanks for the heads up, I'll check it out.

    •  I'm just happy because this isn't a (4+ / 0-)

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      disgruntled Bushco insider, its an old time neocon.

      thanks for the other book endorsement, now maybe i'll get two for the same shipping.

      But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

      by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 03:28:49 AM PDT

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      •  the guy is a (7+ / 0-)

        seriously good writer and thinker. If you haven't seen the American Dynasty book before, here's a teaser reprinted from the book's website Kevin Phillips' American Dynasty:

        Concern about the first U.S. dynastic presidency first emerged in 2000, prompted by  skeptics of the Bush succession, as well as by  amateur historians unnerved by analogies to the seventeenth-century English Stuart and eighteenth-century French Bourbon restorations. The topic gained credibility when  the 2002 elections confirmed George W. Bush’s popularity and the war  of early Spring  2003 displayed his personal commitment to renewing his father’s unfinished combat  with Iraq’s Saddam Hussein. Controversial wars and geopolitical  ambitions, after all, have frequently originated as dynastic ambitions.

        Other institutional aspects warrant national concern. Dynasties tend to show continuities of policy and interest-group bias—in the case of  the Bushes,  favoritism  toward the energy sector, defense industries, the Pentagon and CIA, as well as insistence on  tax breaks for the investor class and upper income groups. Families restored to power also have a history of revenge  against old foes—George W. Bush’s record has included retiring such taunters of his father as Texas Governor Ann Richards (in 1994) and House Speaker Newt Gingrich (Bush helped to force him out after the 1998 elections) and apppointing former officials dating back not just  to his father’s term but to the Ford administration of 1974-76, a virtual incubator of the Republican Party’s Bush faction.

        Guess the guy has more than "institutional concerns" now. Guess, like most of here at Kos, he's sitting behind a computer somewhere reading, writing and going completely ape-shit at what this crew is doing to the country. Oh and you're spot on, he's not a wing-nut, he's a mainstream old school kind of Republican. He's an ideas guy. In fairness though, he's hated the Bush family for many years. But he backs it up in the book.

      •  Phillips is NOT a neocon (0+ / 0-)

        I would not classify Phillips as a neocon. I think it's very clear from reading American Dynasty, which is subtitled “Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush,” that Phillips detests the neocons. If you go to Amazon.com and read ALL the customer reviews for his 2003 book, Wealth and Democracy : A Political History of the American Rich you will be amused to find a long line of apparent neocon sycophants shrieking, wailing, freaking and dissembling because Phillips undermines the neocon golden calf of free market utopianism by demonstrating the disastrous effects of increasing income and wealth inequality.

        A conservative is a scab for the oligarchy.

        by NBBooks on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 08:12:16 AM PDT

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        •  doesn't alter the fact that he was an architect (2+ / 0-)

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          of the current ultra-conservative republican party we see today.  You point out two books, try his first. "The Emerging Republican Majority".

          Since I didn't refer to him as being a neocon in the diary perhaps I shouldn't have used it to describe him here but I would say he is a neocon in that he believes in the idea of a moral majority and ultra conservative fiscal governance; however he is arguing that that ideal has been perverted into a clear ultra conservative Christian agenda where the Bible is elevated beyond the Constitution and they have killed any notion of fiscal responsibility.

          After I read the book I'll post another diary and may have changed my mind by that time.

          Thanks for the comment though and when I read the book I'll be trying to remember comments like these before I rush to judgement.

          But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

          by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 08:27:56 AM PDT

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          •  I thought 'neocon' (0+ / 0-)

            ... was used to describe the current crop of war-mongering, oil-craving, fear-based Republicans presently in control.  Phillips, it seems to me, is an old-style Republican.

            His expose on the Bush family is a meticulously researched history of their complicity in the military-industrial complex going back generations ... very critical of the whole thing.  

            I really don't think he can be described as a "neocon."  

            May all beings be free from fear.

            by shakti on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 02:13:41 PM PDT

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            •  read the first book and then decide (0+ / 0-)

              i haven't read it but i'm assuming that one of the architects of the movement we see today could easily fit into the "neocon" moniker we use today.  why does an ultraconservative christian who came along 20 years ago differ from the current crop of ultraconservative christians?

              After I read his books I'll reshape my opinion of him accordingly.

              But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

              by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 03:13:20 PM PDT

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  •  Radical Christians (26+ / 0-)

    I don't know what these people are but they sure as hell ain't Christians.  Radical Christianity would border on pacifism in my book.

    They seem to have evolved into a strange mixture of piousness on the surface and a determined dedication to remaining strong and stupid.  "God Bless America" is their holy anthem.  They want to kick some ass when non-Americans start messing with us.  They fail every day to turn the other cheek and love their fellow man if he lives more than 5 miles away.  They are dumb as rocks for the most part.  Yet they attend their churches every Sunday and can wail "We are sinners!" with the best of them.

    I like to call them American Hypocritians.  They are dangerous and I truly believe Christ would say to them, "You are not followers of mine."

    •  what did Rev. Lowery (11+ / 0-)

      say at the King funeral again?

      Millions without health insurance, poverty abounds, for war billions more but NO MORE for the poor.

      I've said often and I'll say it again here, there's no Christ in this kind of Christianity. Overall, it's nice to see a smart Republican come out and say, "This fomenting of religious doctrine in our national party is destroying our country." Amen brother Kevin.

    •  I think (3+ / 0-)

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      it is called the 'divine right of kings'.

    •  Tie yourself to the South? This is what you get. (3+ / 0-)

      I read this part and shake my fists over the stupidity:

      The movement of people and resources from the old Northern industrial states into the South and the West (an area he enduringly labeled the "Sun Belt") would produce a new and more conservative Republican majority that would dominate American politics for decades.

      And none of these Einsteins thought to ask why?

      Phillips viewed the changes he predicted with optimism. A stronger Republican Party, he believed, would restore stability and order to a society experiencing disorienting and at times violent change.

      Read "restore stability and order" as "put women and blacks back in their place" and it all makes sense. That, and insane gun worship. Which is exactly what has transpired.

      When you look at it objectively, the whole story Kevin Phillips tells is a Confederacy of Cognitive Dissonance.

      •  Good point (2+ / 0-)

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        chrississippi, alwaysquestion

        It summons a perhaps oversimplified but elegant explanation of events:  The South took power and dominance over America.  

        The South has always been fervently "Christian," and simultaneously consumed with hate and fear of women and minorities.  Maybe it has something to do with the inbred fear of slave rebellions - for hundreds of years, there were enough slaves in the South that, if they somehow managed to coordinate a rebellion, could have overthrown their white masters with impunity.  Control of women was essential because otherwise some "big black negro" would impregnate them.  The Southern culture was born out of an evil cauldron of slavery and mastery, with a huge helping of faux Christianity to assuage the guilt of the masters.  

        I often wonder if it was really so wise of Lincoln to keep the South in the union. Maybe he should have conquered the South militarily, freed the slaves, and then told the slave states to get the fuck out.  I know that's impossible, but really, it seems today as if the South actually won the Civil War.  

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 11:56:28 AM PDT

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    •  I call them (2+ / 0-)

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      X-tians.  Whacko extremist fundies works quite well, IMO.

  •  amen! (2+ / 0-)

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    and a recommend.

  •  The oil arguement (11+ / 0-)

    Terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, tyranny, democracy and other public rationales were, Phillips says, simply ruses to disguise the real motivation for the invasion.

    Is something I think we have all realized over time. It's is also the "human" part of the issue, since it clearly is about about greed.
    The more frightening part is ,as the title of the book sets forth, the Talibanish bent that the Rights is set on. We can clearly see the fanaticism of this in the rampant fight to change what has been the law of the land for over 30 yrs now. That being a womans right to control her own body. You add this to the authors finding about the coming of the rapture as a excuse to do whatever it wants to meet its ends, and you have the twisted reasoning of the rationality to harm any or every one it their way. No big surprizes here, but in tying it all together by someone intimately guilty of helping put it in motion, we may have ended up with what I have called the modern day hero. That being a insider finally spilling the beans in a way it can no longer be ignored.

    -8.63 -7.28 We all have to be concerned about terrorism, but you will never end terrorism by terrorizing others.~Martin Luther King III

    by OneCrankyDom on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 03:37:25 AM PDT

    •  irony has no bounds (3+ / 0-)

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      But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

      by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 04:03:44 AM PDT

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      •  not sure about this (1+ / 0-)

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        Irony is the opposite of what is expected, right? I think Phillips is saying that what this crew is doing is expected and predictable. And there's more in store for all of us.

        •  irony is that (0+ / 0-)

          its one of the guys who helped shape the neocon agenda, now decrying it.

          But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

          by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 05:53:33 AM PDT

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          •  point well taken, cheers - n/t (0+ / 0-)

          •  Phillips isn't a neocon (1+ / 0-)

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            He's a republican.  His man, Nixon, founded the EPA and opened relations with China - not exactly the stuff of neocons.  Phillips has never had anything but contempt for the neocon agenda.

            There is an old school of republicanism that shares its ideals with liberalism, but differs on how to achieve those ideals.  Neoconservatism has different ideals altogether.  

            Phillips isn't the first old school republican to consider the neocons a threat.  Guys like Brent Scowcroft have been saying so for years.  Phillips has, however, crafted the best critique of neoconservatism, IMO.

            "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

            by Subterranean on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 12:13:36 PM PDT

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  •  off the grid. (5+ / 0-)

    we are getting ready to remodel this summer, and are researching "in the city" lol, we are in Fairbanks, Alaska, ways to use solar power ect.. already planning on a generator, just a good idea here.  AND color me crazy but the morman's have got it going on with food storage.  I just wish it was all more mainstream, well less expensive!

    •  talk to your local drilling company too (3+ / 0-)

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      I haven't heard much about it, I might just go look it up now, but you can drill a bunch of wells to a certain depth and then water from your well is pushed through these sumps to warm the water to 60 degrees about to reduce the energy needed to heat cold water.  But you can also tap some of the heat generated and store it in batteries (not sure how this part works.)  One of my friends is having this done on his property and as the water returns to the house it will be piped under the driveway so the driveway always stays a nice balmy 50+ degrees, instant free snow melt.

      But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

      by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 04:03:08 AM PDT

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      •  this is part of it (6+ / 0-)

        Residences in the U.S. and other countries can use geothermal ground source heat pumps (GSHPs) to reduce air conditioning peak loads, winter heating loads, and water heating loads. GSHPs rely on the thermal mass of the earth and subsurface water flows rather than geothermal heat that resides deeper in the earthâs crust. There are about 500,000 geothermal heat pumps in use in the U.S. today. GSHP's are 50Ð70% more efficient at heating and 20Ð40% more efficient at cooling [7] and can reduce electricity use by 25%-60% compared to tradition electric heating and cooling systems. [8] According to the U.S. Department of Energy, GSHP's provide water heating free in summer, use about half the water heating energy in winter, have a payback time about 2 to 10 years and, and reduce emissions up to 72% when compared to an electric resistance heating and standard air conditioning systems.[9]

        But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

        by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 04:07:30 AM PDT

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        •  How many areas would be able to use geothermal? (1+ / 0-)

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          What would the cost be to refit a house or add to one already under construction?

          Also, could this technology be affordable for the poor and middle class or only for a select few?

          There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. -- Robert Benchley -5.75, -7.18

          by Rogneid on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 04:34:10 AM PDT

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          •  well the biggest problem (2+ / 0-)

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            is the land.  My friend who is doing this is planning on drilling between 75 and 100 wells.  They are shallow, only a couple hundred feet, down to a depth where the ambient temperature is around 55 degrees.  So if you have the land, probably at least a couple of acres, the cost would mostly be in the drilling and the plumbing.  At this time I would assume it is not affordable for the average person.  And the land requirement excludes people living on a normal sized city lot.

            But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

            by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 04:50:42 AM PDT

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            •  this old house (4+ / 0-)

              installed one in a redo on Nantucket and they lived on a very small lot in one of the city sections on the island. I thought it was the greatest thing I had ever seen. FWIW.

              •  thanks for the info (0+ / 0-)

                I'll try and see if they have online videos, or transcripts

                But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

                by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 05:48:15 AM PDT

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                •  it was many years ago (1+ / 0-)

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                  I think as many as ten. Don't know if they have the show archived that far back.

                  Of course the show only gave it a cursory treatment. They spent more time on the unusual spacing of the clapboards that they follow on Nantucket. Norm just couldn't get behind that.

                  But the geo-thermal pump in this episode may not have been the primary source of heat for the property. Also, it might have been an unusual situation on the island because they have to ship everything in and that carries a premium. Cost is a key issue when a homeowner makes these decisions.

            •  This system works, but it still (0+ / 0-)

              takes electricity to run the pumps. There is also great economy of scale, so it is better for several houses to be on one system than individually. Good luck with that though.

    •  What does 'off the grid' get you (0+ / 0-)

      If the theocrats are in charge and coming to get you?  

      I think this is a false solution to the problem.  Living "off the grid" in a theocratic state, governed by the American Taliban, will still leave you at the mercy of the state's wingnutty laws; your daughters will be treated as subhuman, and your sons will be taken away to fight wars of conquest in foreign lands.  The only difference is that you'll save a few bucks on electricity and gas.  Big deal.

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 12:22:57 PM PDT

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      •  not off the societal grid (0+ / 0-)

        off the utilities grid, self contained septic, solar power, drilled well for water....can't be totally disconnected in most states because most require that you have permanent electric for backup. That is usually only the case in full time residence, cabins and the like can be off solar or generator, with no direct feed from the power company.

        But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

        by Bill O Rights on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 03:08:03 PM PDT

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  •  I think if I bought the book... (5+ / 0-)

    It would only further confirm my worst fears ... and that I might have to go and dig a big hole and hide in it ... replete with an assortment of pistols, rifles, shotguns and associated ammunition!  (Any know of any wholesale RPG dealers?... joke, you monitoring types, in case you do not know!:)

    Life is not a 'dress rehearsal'!

    by wgard on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 04:24:18 AM PDT

  •  As an Episcopalian this scares me. (12+ / 0-)

    We are a shrinking denomination as it is, and these "radical Xtians" (I can't bring myself to call them Christian, because they sure as sugar ain't!) seem to be hell bent on brainwashing people to believe they are the true and authentic church.

    There isn't a denomination that doesn't have its problems, but the Xtians seem to be in it for money, power and their own glorification.  They are modern day Pharisees and I can't wait until their temple is destroyed.

    Paraphrasing Maude, "God is going to get them for that".

    There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. -- Robert Benchley -5.75, -7.18

    by Rogneid on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 04:40:25 AM PDT

  •  He's now one of the 'good guys' (7+ / 0-)

    Kevin Phillips used to be one of the GOP's top political strategists, helping Nixon win in '68, and wrote a book in the late 60's called The Emerging Republican Majority, which predicted just about all that we have sadly seen over the past 25+ years.

    However, he eventually soured on his former Republican colleagues and is now firmly in the anti-modern GOP camp, having written several critical books and many articles about them, and frequently appearing on talk shows to discuss his many misgivings about them. At this point, he's basically one of the "good guys", like John Dean.

    He wrote a book a few years ago that I've been reading about the history of the Bush family, American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush, going back to the 19th century and their rise to wealth and power in the armaments, banking and oil industries. Some pretty nasty people, those Bushes. Not very kind, gentle or compassionate at all.

    Sic transit gloria mundi - ancient Roman proverb

    by kovie on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 04:59:24 AM PDT

  •  thanks (1+ / 0-)

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    sounds like a book worth checking out.

  •  Are we all Conservatives now? (6+ / 0-)

    Excellent post. I think the book may partially refute the "failure of Conservatism" thesis. I.e, there are some decent ones left, and they have a voice.

    Although