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George Bush and Dick Cheney Must Resign: New Evidence Suggests White House Conspiracy.

Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 04:55:31 PM PDT

As we realize the implications of the rapidly emerging big picture, I believe President George W Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney should resign to spare our country from more tragic pain and damage.

Tonight I intended to focus on the latest Fitzgerald evidence of a conspiracy in the White House, and more global reactions to revelations to the Murray Waas article. Jason Leopold continues to blaze the trail with revelations from the investigation by US Special Prosecutor Patrick. His latest article notices new evidence suggesting for the first time that Fitzgerald has evidence of an extensive White House conspiracy.

And other evidence, reactions, denials, charges and commentary continues to pour in from all directions. The latest AP-Ipsos and Fox polls show President George W. Bush at his lowest levels in these polls, (36%), based on polling done prior to these latest scandalous revelations.

Seeing The Forest For The Trees: Bush and Cheney Must Resign

But I had to stop, realizing I was missing the forest for the trees. And also that I might miss our very own firecracker MaryScott O'Conner on Fox News tonight, whom has courageously picked up the impeachment banner and is leading the charge into the breach.

MaryScott is right. Sufficient evidence exsist to start the Articles of Inquiry motion to set up a HRC subcommittee to collect and analyze the data.

Let's focus on this. It's time for the House Judiciary Committee to do its job and get this evidence on the record, and have a full formal professional analysis and recommendation. Having folks like me trying to do this job for them may be a misallocation of resource. Perhaps, I should be helping activists to get these hearings started. We need no more evidence to take actions in the right direction. We should still get it. My only point it that the best way forward to gain evidence in the most legitimate way through the constitutionally provided process. What we need is Democratic and GOP leaders with courage and partriatism to stand up and protect and defend our Constition.

So the Action Steps questions should be how to we do this. Let's get out the list of HJR members and start working the phones, letters, etc. We will need two GOP cross overs I beleive.

An Organized, Fair, and Dignified House Inquiry Is The Right Way To Resolve This.

The current nightly kangoroo court trails by media circus is not a dignified or fair way for a Constitutionally based Country like ours to resolve this kind of crises.

This is why the Constitutional Framer designed the Impeachment Processw. I demand that our President and Vice President be given the fairness and dignity of this formal process. Where they can properly defend themeselves with subpoena power.

This current disastor is unseemly, disgraceful, and damaging to our international and national image at a time when we have urgent critical issues to deal with.

But Please President Bush and Vice President Cheney, It's Time To Face The Fact And Do The Right Thing

But, is it not also appropriate, for President George W.Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney to realize this and take responsibility for what they've done.

Mr President and Vice President, if you have any pride and respectability do not let yourselves take down the ship of state so you can go down with the ship.

Sometimes, for better or worse leaders must put aside your own egos, or even sense of justice, and do what is right for your country. And the world.

No Other Way Out

And the simple facts are this. No possible spinning and additional deception, will change the facts that the evidence now is public that you were participating in a vast ongoing 3 year White House Conspiracy to control and manipulate intelligence surrounding the Iraq War and that you not only authorized, but were aware of, and informed of but actively participated in and ongoing coverup of these actions. A conspircacy that continues today.

All the while, denying this to the American people, on at least eight documented occassions. And apparently, denied your involvement in this to prosecuted Patrick Fitzgerald. This is obstruction of justice even though you were not under oath, and irregardless of whether you properly declassified it.

We can stop right here Mr President. This is sufficient grouds for you to resign or be impeached.

And from the highest level of good for our country, Mr. President, it almost makes no difference what other interpretations you may offer. At least half of the country is going to insist now that these and dozens of other charges are properly investigated and processed through Constitutional Impeachment proceedings.

And their conclusion seem inevitable as well. Check with you senior most GOP advisors on the hill. When it comes to high crimes and misdeamenors and charges that look to many like treason to our country. So, please. Do the right thing. Do not put our country through this unnecessary, divisive, and destructive process.

You've done as much for our country as you are going to be able. It's time to leave. And let our country move on and heal.

If you put aside personal considerations and put our country's best interest ahead of your own, and resign for our collective best interest, you will win back some respect and admiration for at least this one selfless act.

Sad, Weak, And Inadequate White House Response: What does the word "leak" actually mean?

So getting back to the new evidence, and developments of the day. Scott McClellan's White House Press Conference was an expectable tap dance.

The White House today tried to redefine what a leak is. Reminiscent of the "it depends on what is the meaning of "is" discussions, the White House suggested today that the concept of a "leak" was only applicable to others. "See what the American people need to know is...." when the President does it, we should call it a "selective declassification." and Scott McClellan denied that the President would do this for political purposes. Implying, that if the president does it, it is by definition, for the good of the nation.

McClellan Clear Up Confusion: The President Is Good And All Of His Actions For The Good Of The People

See folks, don't you feel better now. Gosh Scott, thanks for clearing that up. I guess we all should just go home and happily watch American Idol and leave our political think to our great benevalent Patriorch. It is so encougeing to be informed that President Bush has trasncended any political motivations and all of his actions for Public Good.

Because Bush loves us and has our best interest at heart, whatever he does is by definition good and legal. But now, I'm feeling a little bad. Because, doesn't this mean that those of us who question our "Fearless Leaders" would by definition be bad. Probably even "double plus un-good." Maybe even terrorist. I forgot to read the Patriot Act II. OMG. But if, our fearless leader is givingn me a second chance, let me apologize for questioning his political judgement and attempts to do good for all of us. I'm overcoming with humility and gratitude that our president is so kind and compassionate that he would give trouble makers like me a second chance and a fair warning.  

I was unaware that by going against our President's goodness I was by definition bad and liable to be picked up by the Patriot Act Police as a potential "non-combatant political dissadent" NOT!

How A Constitutional Republic Really Works

This is not how the US Constitution works folks. And even this President will not get away with this rediculous line of thinking. Let's look more critically at how the US system of justice actually still work. Let's start with the concept of a "nation of laws" not men." It turns out Scott McClellan, George Bush and Dick Cheney are not the first leaders to think up the "whatever our good leader does is the law" argument. Historions, please help me out, but the idea of separating the Legal and Judicial institutions in our government from the Executive functions goes back even before out Constitutional framers based our governments structure on a tricameral system of check and powers. The president does not get to decide what is legal or not. He must obey the law. And framers esteblished a clear expectation that out president will observe the higheswt standards of protecting the constitution and law of the land, and provided an unambiguous and explicit process for removing him if he falls short. And all other members of the government including the President are required to take an oath of office to defend and protect this system, the constitution, and the legal system on which is based. A requirement not an option. It is now well past time for all of these officials to step forward and do their duty.

Making False Statements To Federal Prosecutors Is Obstruction of Justice: No Oath Required,  Whether The Subject Of The False Statement Is Properly Declassified Does Not Matter

The MSM has totally failed to pick up this aspect of the story as far as I've seen.  Has anyone else seen comment on these critical distinctions.  Is it a GOP trick to talk alot about a different but less outragious scandal.  So many scandals so little mindshare.  I hope it's just a matter of time.

But GOP spinmeister must be hoping for scandal fatique.  And hoping this dies out on the theme, that it may be unseemly, but Bush does have the right to declassify stuff right?  If Chris Matthews says this one my time I may become ill.

Wake up journalists!  (BTW Can you believe these clown get paid enormous sums of money for this lack of intellectual concentration.  When hard working stiffs like you and me sacrifice our Friday nights to come in and do this as volunteers?  

What's wrong with this picture.  Let's get some brainpower on TV.  If some of these talking head spent half of much time exercising their brains as they spend blow drying their hair we wouldn't even have slipped this low.

And as predicted, the White House tries to frame this as a technical question about the Presidents powers of classification,  To deflect the "slam dunk" indictment that the President Bush and VP Cheney made false statements to the Prosecutor that appear to constitute obstruction of justice.  Which as reported yesterday, does not require the guilty to be under oath, and is not in anyway contingent on whether the underlying focus of the questions were  illegal or legal, or properly declassified.

Impeachment advocates are seizing the day and pointing out the Constitutional impeachment process contains broader flexibility to include political impropriety not just criminal ones.  So  the selective misuse of intelligence to deceive the public and mislead congress into war, as well as lying to the public are also fair game for impeachment.  Remember the charges for both Nixon, and Carter were at there core, lying to the American people.  Watch for MaryScott O'Conner to spark fireworks on Fox News Tonight.  Go MaryScott! - I hope to be live blogging this if I can figure out how to bail out of this tomb fast enough!  (Brevity Hounddog, Brevity, Brevity. Yes, I can do it!)

Something,(Lying to the American People) the White House has not denied.  And for which ample evidence exist.  Democrats and now several MSM have documented eight specific occasions where President Bush or his spokesmen Scott McClellan specifically and directly denied any involvement in the NIE-Plamegate affair.  (I'll put the sources in the comments.  Brevity is the Soul of Wit!)  

The closest the White House can now come to a denial is admit involvement but suggest this involvement was not a violation of the Espionage act because the president can declassify at will, and that such involvement was really motivated by good intentions for the country not a smear campaign against critics.

Despite the dubious nature of these claims which Congress and the courts can sort out at their leisure in upcoming years, they are irrelevant to the Obstruction of Justice charges and to the Lying and Deceptions To Congress Charges,  In fact, their excuses constitute admissions to these crimes.  

Admitting He Declassified NIE And Authorized Libby Disclosure, Is An Admission Of Lying To Public

The President and White House looked America, and Congress in they eye and denied any involvement in these matters.  Now they admit involvement but say it was not technically as violation of some arcane espionage act, and it was not with only the best intentions.

President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney Must Resign Now!

Stop, the lying Mr President.  The jigs up.  This kind of tap dancing  is shameful and conduct unbecoming an America President.  

1.You have lied repeated and often  to the American People and continue to do so.

2. You lied and or mislead the Legislative oversight branch in violation of the Constitution in your 2003 SOTU speech and  submission for Congressional approval of your Iraq war in violation of USC 18 Sections 1001 and 371.

3. You lied to the Judicial branch  with regard to the NSA Wiretaps and bypassed FISA in subversion of Judicial Branch Oversight.

4. You distorted what "unitary executive'" means to justify this.  This isn't the loop clause that allows you to reestablish a Monarchy.  It means that the Executive branch is considered one indivisible legal entity in terms of internal chain of command as well as legal accountability in Constitutional Check and Balances.  

I could list at least a dozen other impeachable offenses, but will not.  I ask readers to assemble them in one place in the comments so we can redraft a better Censure, Articles of Impeachment, and historical analysis.

But in the spirit of my new middle name "Brevity" lied me rush forward.  (Hound Brevity Dog - I like it.  Sort of captures my essence eh?  :-)  (This reminds me of an interesting story....LOL ... but I will but it in the comments.)'

Finally, Everything above should be labeled Brief Introduction.  Here's where I was going to start before realizing I should be brief.  And then had to explain why.  LOL

Jason Leopold Reports Evidence of Conspiracy May Be Surfacing In Fitzgerald Court Papers,

Jason Leopold will probably win a Pultzer for his reporting on for his reporting.  Let's face it. He has been out in front on this or  a half of a year at least.   And although, things have taken longer than we all and he expected.  He's has a higher "hit' rate of correct prediction than anyone else trying to be so far ahead.  IMO  (So can I have more transcripts now Jason?  By the way, the 250 emails was not in the last batch.  Did we misunderstand you letter to us?)

Jason reports in Truth Out Evidence Suggests White House Conspiracy

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald stated in a court filing late Wednesday in the CIA leak case that his investigators have obtained evidence during the course of the two-year-old probe that proves "multiple" White House officials conspired to discredit former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, a critic of the administration's pre-war Iraq intelligence.

This is the first time the special counsel has acknowledged that White House officials are alleged to have engaged in a coordinated effort to undercut the former ambassador's credibility by disseminating classified intelligence information that would have contradicted Wilson's public statements.

Fitzgerald's court filing was made in response to attorneys representing I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, who was indicted on five counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and lying to investigators related to his role in the leak. The attorneys are desperately trying to obtain evidence from the government that will prove Libby did not intentionally lie to the grand jury when he was asked how he found out about Plame Wilson and whether he shared that information with the media.

Furthermore, Libby's attorneys have argued that they are entitled to the evidence in order to prove Libby was not engaged in a "plot" to discredit Wilson. However, Fitzgerald says the evidence he has obtained proves there was a coordinated effort by White House officials to discredit Wilson.

Go Fitzgerald.  Evidence of a "Coordinated" effort by White House officials.

Fitzgerald wrote in the filing, "There exist documents, some of which have been provided to defendant and there were conversations in which defendant participated, that reveal a strong desire by many, including multiple people in the White House, to repudiate Mr. Wilson before and after July 14, 2003."

Although Fitzgerald makes it abundantly clear that Libby is not charged with conspiracy, he argues that Libby's suggestion that there was no White House plot to discredit Wilson is ludicrous, given the amount of evidence Fitzgerald has in his possession that suggests otherwise.

"Once again, defendant ignores the fact that he is not charged with participating in any conspiracy, much less one defined as a 'White House-driven plot to punish Mr. Wilson,'" the filing states. "Moreover, given that there is evidence that other White House officials with whom defendant spoke prior to July 14, 2003, discussed Wilson's wife's employment with the press both prior to, and after, July 14, 2003 - which evidence has been shared with defendant - it is hard to conceive of what evidence there could be that would disprove the existence of White House efforts to 'punish' Wilson."

This is great.  Now we seeing Fitzgerald in action.  And is he not one tough cookie?  I wish I could see video of this.  Is he raising his voice here, or calmly reading of off?  Which would be more devastating?

Fitzgerald did not name the other White House officials who were involved in the effort to undercut Wilson, but sources close to the case said that White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove and National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley are the officials who were involved in the alleged plot.

A footnote in the court filing states that Hadley was involved in conversations and meetings at Cheney's office in which White House officials discussed how to respond to Wilson's statement that the administration used bogus intelligence to make a case for war.

Hadley suggested declassifying a portion of the highly sensitive National Intelligence Estimate and leaking it to reporters as a way of responding to Wilson's statements.

"The government is producing to defendant Mr. Hadley's notes of meetings and conversations in which both defendant and Mr. Hadley participated, and in which the potential declassification of the NIE was discussed," the court filing says.

New Evidence Of Libby Move To Have WH Exonerate Him Via McClellan

Moreover, Wednesday's court filing lays out for the first time how White House press secretary Scott McClellan came to publicly exonerate Libby and Rove during a press briefing in October 2003, three months after Plame Wilson's identity was unmasked.

The filing suggests that Libby lied about his role in the leak when McClellan asked him about it in October 2003. Libby, with Vice President Cheney's backing, persuaded the press secretary to clear his name during one of his morning press briefings, and prepared notes for him to use.

"Though defendant knew that another White House official had spoken to Novak in advance of Novak's column and that official had learned in advance that Novak would be publishing information about Wilson's wife, defendant did not disclose that fact to other White House officials (including the Vice President) but instead prepared a handwritten statement of what he wished White House Press Secretary McClellan would say to exonerate him:

People have made too much of the difference in
How I described Karl and Libby
I've talked to Libby.
I said it was ridiculous about Karl.
And it is ridiculous about Libby.
Libby was not the source of the Novak story.
And he did not leak classified information."

"As a result of defendant's request, on October 4, 2003, White House Press Secretary McClellan stated that he had spoken to Mr. Libby (as well as Mr. Rove and Elliot Abrams) and "those individuals assured me that they were not involved in this."

McClellan's public statement and the fact that President Bush vowed to fire anyone in his office involved in the leak were motivating factors that led Libby to lie during an interview with FBI investigators in November 2003, Fitzgerald states in the court filing: "Thus, as defendant approached his first FBI interview he knew that the White House had publicly staked its credibility on there being no White House involvement in the leaking of information about Ms. Wilson and that, at defendant's specific request through the Vice President, the White House had publicly proclaimed that defendant was 'not involved in this"

Conclusion And Next Steps

Wow.  This White House Conspiracy Is Unraveling So Fast.  Has anyone been keeping a scorecard of how many White House officials are going to have to resign in disgrace.

Hey, let's all wake up and smell the coffee folks.  With regard to the need for immediate resignations we are past the point of whom authorized what, and which ones will be indicted for which charges?  By the Prosecutor, By impeachment committees, By popular demand?

Bull poppies!  

The next actions steps are clear.

We need to have all of the scoundrel involved in this sorted and disgraceful affair to resign immediately.

This is not acceptable conduct for high White House officials.

I hereby demand that all involved look within their hearts, consult with their ministers, priests, or rabbis, and then resign in shame.

Who should resign for these actions?  At the very least.  President George Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Karl Rove,  and Stephen Hadley, Perhaps others as well.  And many others for other reasons.

We need to bring justice and integrity back to the White House - One Indictment At A Time.

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    •  Just wanted to give you kudos (4+ / 0-)

      Your writing has improved quite a bit as you've wondered through the sludge that is the White House administration.

      Good work. I'm proud of you.

      Senator McCain, we don't have to twist everything that comes out of a Republican's mouth - you guys come pre-twisted.

      by PatsBard on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 05:04:50 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks PatsBard, But your'e embarrassing me. This (2+ / 0-)

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        Avila, applegal

        piece is unweildy and as I've tried to clean it up and par it down it has turned into two articles.

        I'm going to ask Torquemadog or Lolligolli or some one if they will take the original Jason Leopold piece off to a different diary.

        What started as a brief introduction has evolved into a call for Bush and Cheney to resign, that may have some potential to get some powerful play.

        Patsbard, any editing help you can give would be much appreciated.  This is still two long by thrice for an effective opinion piece.

        And I'm at a friends house struggling with a child who thinks whacking space aliens it the more legitimate use of her computer than doing whatever I'm doing.  

        I'm supposed to be "playing" with the adults.

        Oh No!  

        Complex Ethical Ambiguities!

        I'm going to have to resign as a reponsible member of society if we ever manage to bring justice and integrity back to the white house.

        Great to see you again PatsBard.  I'm glad you convinced me to keep going.

        I almost gave up on all this in January as you know.

        Thanks.

        The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by HoundDog on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 06:38:36 PM PDT

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        •  Just watch the dropped R in 'your' (2+ / 0-)

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          HoundDog, Lolligolli

          That seems to be a common one. As is the S off of "seems". Plural subect uses "seem", singular uses "seems".

          This could be cut in half...first part ending before before the Leopold information. Second part containing the Leopold information. Speaking of which, the first sentence needs to be fixed:

          Jason Leopold will probably win a Pultzer for his reporting on for his reporting.

          I'm assuming you meant "his reporting on the CIA Leak Investigation."

          Otherwise, keep on keepin' on, hon. Glad you stayed. You do the hard part; I just kibitz. ;)

          Senator McCain, we don't have to twist everything that comes out of a Republican's mouth - you guys come pre-twisted.

          by PatsBard on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 07:04:51 PM PDT

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    •  I just discovered that if you get confused and (0+ / 0-)

      have multiple editing windows over, you can overright a later version of your article with a older one hanging around in a loose separate browser window.

      So for those who voted in an attached poll or may have commented or rec'd this but don't see it now I'm really sorry.

      This explains a lot of curious stuff that has happened to me over the last week.

      Might I suggest to the technical wizards here that they add a safety protocol such that if the dkos update editor notices someone about to update the diary with a much older version of the same article that we get a prompt that says "wake up bozo!"  or something.

      Sorry if you folks lost anything.

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 07:07:31 PM PDT

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  •  All part of the 'Iraq Conspiracy' but sorry, they (7+ / 0-)

    don't care how illegal they've acted or how mmany hundreds of thousands of lives they've destroyed or how many hundreds of billions of dollars they've wasted.

    They don't care.

    They are war criminals who's great Iraq gamble have backfired.

    Expect more egregious abuses of power as they try to squirm their way out of this mess.

    "There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it. Always." -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by duha on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 04:59:12 PM PDT

    •  Sadly, they bet OUR farm, and lost. (2+ / 0-)

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      What do you tell you family when you know you're a no-good do-badder with a hankering for likur who got to play with the big dogs and bet the farm and LOST EVERYTHING?

      Oh, um, (stare at feet, shuffle), um, those people that died for, um, ... , and well, the money, and um, the lease, um, no we don't own the house, no all the cattle, um yeah, the creek, the wagons, yeah, the dogs too,  um, yeah, grammy's dishes, no no nothing ....

      The fullest extent of the law.

      Two war crimes make 'the right', not 'a right'. Defeat the liar John McCain.

      by Yellow Canary on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 05:14:06 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, why have we not seen more articles on WHIG, (0+ / 0-)

      the White House Iraq Group, in the MSM?

  •  Tweety now has portentous CIA Leak theme music (12+ / 0-)

    I think its a sign of the beginning of the end.

    "Mom, did you hurt yourself, or are you yelling at the TV again?

    by litigatormom on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 04:59:57 PM PDT

  •  FYI (7+ / 0-)

    I thought Maryscott rocked. And didn't you just love the way the left stuck together?

    "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell

    by zic on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 05:02:03 PM PDT

  •  suggestion (1+ / 0-)

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    you should use the bold key more.

    skippy the bush kangaroo: aware of all internet traditions since 2002!

    by skippy on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 05:03:20 PM PDT

    •  I can't tell if you teasing me with sarcasism. (2+ / 0-)

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      TXsharon, viscerality

      One of the most cutting feedback comments I every got here last fall, was an aboolutely wicked and nasty slam for excessive bolding.

      Some witty snark said it was unreadable, an insult to the community, and so painful to the eyes, that he said my title should have a warning on it.

      I like it when long periods of text or broken up by highlight words, key phrases.  

      And I am trying to use more of the bolded idea block captions to emphadize the conceptual flow.

      I've noticed even with my own articles, if I see a whole page of plan text, my first reaction is yuck.

      Maybe later when I have more concentration.  

      I guess its' a balance?

      Thanks though.  

      I'll try selective bolding of key concepts.  

      Sometimes when I do this it calls my attention the fact the whole unbolded part of the paragraph can be cut out as fluff.  

      In the movie "A River Runs Through It" the father of the charactor played by Robert Redford was teaching him how to be a journalist.

      He had to write an article every day.  And his father would say, cut it in half.  Until finally, after about five tries his father liked it.

      I was waiting for him to frame it on his wall.  But Redford crumbled it up and through it in the garbage!

      Even the memories of this still distress me.  

      I get so overly atatched to words, sometimes I can't even get myself to through out old drafts.  

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 07:21:22 PM PDT

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      •  This is all overwhelming! (1+ / 0-)

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        I'm trying to come up with a short LTE to focus on the why question which is a Jeffrey Feldman Frameshop suggestion

        Does this work at all?

        The Important Questions

        President Bush declassified “highly sensitive intelligence information” intent on leaking the information to discredit Joe Wilson, who was hired by the CIA, and who discovered that Iraq did not obtain uranium, “yellow cake,” from Niger and that the case for war was weak.  “Why?”

        President Bush decided to declassify the “highly sensitive intelligence information” because it was in the public’s interest.  “How?”

        President Bush lied for months and claimed he did not know the identity of the leaker. “Why?”

        The minutes from a prewar meeting between Bush and Tony Blair reveal that Bush had already decided to go to war no matter what.  He even discussed disguising a U.S. plane in U.N. colors to provoke Saddam into war.  Rather than give up on his lust for war the President of the United States deceived us.  To date, 2348 Americans have died in the Iraq war.

        •  Intersting passage TXsharon. I'd be glad to try (0+ / 0-)

          to help but you'd have to tell me what an LTE is.

          And what is the Frameshop thing all about.  I've seen it mentioned a few times but don't know anything about it?

          What would you like us to do?

          :-)

          •  LTE = Letter to the Editor (1+ / 0-)

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            HoundDog

            Most LTEs should be about 150 words.  Follow the link for Jeffrey Feldman's Frameshop.  He says it is important to change the debate about the link from IF had the authority to leak to why

            •  I agree, but would like to add that we should get (0+ / 0-)

              folks also focused on what President and Vice President told Prosecutor Fitz and the Americans people on eight distinct occassions.

              Deliberate deceptions from what I can gather.

              I need to go back and check the court filings.  But I seem to remember them stating that the President and VP did in fact deny involvment to Fitz.

              But they without doubt denied this to the public.

              The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

              by HoundDog on Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 05:58:20 AM PDT

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      •  no i was just teasing (0+ / 0-)

        just kidding.  don't worry.

        skippy the bush kangaroo: aware of all internet traditions since 2002!

        by skippy on Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 05:56:48 PM PDT

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  •  Houndog (2+ / 0-)

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    Nothing is going to happen to him by this Republican Congress and the Dems are frozen in space and time.  Feingold is the only good man with guts and a spine.  Read the other diary and send him some sunflowers.  If enough of us send sunflowers, the other Dems may wake up!  $10 for 5 sunflowers and an American flag (probably made in China).

    Not only did we beat the British now we have to beat the Bushes.

    by libbie on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 05:03:32 PM PDT

    •  I think Feingold is our best Senator and will (1+ / 0-)

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      Lolligolli

      follow him anywhere.

      Or send him as many sunflowers as he likes.

      BTW Sunflowers I my favorite.  Before I lost everything in a tragic divorce, business failure,  and health incident I had a two and a half acre estate in Weston Ma adjacent to 80 acres of conservation land.

      And I started planting sunflower everywhere.

      I was planning and workin  on a 500 foot by 10 foot wall of sunflowers when they finally carried me off kicking and screaming.

      I was yelling, I'll leave this property when you pry my cold and dead fingers off of these Sunflower stocks. LOL  (I may be exxagerating just slightly for effect.  But sunflowers are my symbollic icon of hope for the future, the goodness and bounty of nature, and the impossible dream of Probate Court justice.)

      I can't wait to read your diary.

      So I can't wait to  

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 06:45:51 PM PDT

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      •  I love Feingold. I hope he runs in 2008. (0+ / 0-)

        I also like Gore, Clark, and others.  I was really hopefull Edwards was going to surge.

        But when I heard he dropped his previous strong endorsement of the GLBT off his new website, I was dissappointed.

        But I want to do everything I can to highlight and praise Feingold so we all can see what an intelligent, courageous, and principled progressive looks like.

        Such a rare creature.

      •  Not my diary (0+ / 0-)

        It is Sunflowers for Russ Feingold by Willers.  You have to call in your order and they deliver all the sunflowers on April 24th

        Not only did we beat the British now we have to beat the Bushes.

        by libbie on Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 08:26:12 AM PDT

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  •  Sing it brother, sing it loud! (3+ / 0-)

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    I suddenly realized.  Hey, the time has passed to keep processing the micro-details.  We have vastly exceeded the threshold of evidence needed for the House Judiciary Committee to take up a preliminary examination of the evidence.

    Hey Hey Hague!

    Two war crimes make 'the right', not 'a right'. Defeat the liar John McCain.

    by Yellow Canary on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 05:07:49 PM PDT

  •  Look within their hearts? (2+ / 0-)

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    I hereby demand that all involved look within their hearts, consult with their ministers, priests, or rabbis, and then resign in shame.

    Psychopaths are not capable of doing these things, unfortunately.

    •  Whoops. You caught me in an inconsistency here (1+ / 0-)

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      haven't you psyched.  Well this is cool actually.

      I'm not used to having people actually read what I write here and hold me to my own standards.  LOL

      It's sort of worse, because not that you highlight it in grey with these dotted orange lines around it, the fact that I didn' and don't really expect them to do this.

      You've caught me rhetorically grandstanding, in a manipulate way, that I often make fun of the Republicans for doing.  

      But I'm surprised you didn't call me on the other part where I indignantly demand the President Bush and Dick Cheney be afforded the right to defend themselves in a full and fair Impeachments trial where they even have Impeachment power to refute these kangoroo court liberal attacks!

      LOL

      If things get slow around here tongith I might sneak out and cruise some redstate blogs and try this out.

      Wouldn't it be cool to get some GOP Senators or Congressmen to demand that Bush get a fair chance to put these terrible liberal attack to rest once and for all in a formal impeachment hearing?

      Our President derserves more fairness than this?

      How can we sit by for three more years letting him be ripped to shreds by the liberal media?

      This is outragious!

      No rules of evidence.

      No impartial judge.

      No court proceedures to protect the innocent.

      And no formal record for history.

      And no subpoana powers!

      This is no way to treat a sitting President.  In the interest of fairness and the rule of law, we need to compromise and give into GOP demands for a fair and unbias impeachment proceedings.

      I implore you fellow Democrats.  The integrity of and respect for the office of the President is too important for all of us.  We must put aside partison politics and agree to these GOP demands to give the President and VP the benefit of a fair hearing in a formal impeachment trail.

      And we should not drag this out past November to exploit this for political purposes.  We must put aside partisan consideratons and have these impeachment hearings now.

      Quickly, swiftly, and get them over before summer.  So they will not impact the 2006 elections.

      I'm sure our partriatic and proud fellow Americans, the Republicans, would do the same for us, if the situations were reversed.

      Let's agree to "bipartison" calls for impeachment now!  

      It's our duty to our country.

      And its our obligation to our constitution.

      Impeach Now!

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 07:36:41 PM PDT

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  •  The money quote, as far as I'm concerned: (2+ / 0-)

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    I suddenly realized.  Hey, the time has passed to keep processing the micro-details.  We have vastly exceeded the threshold of evidence needed for the House Judiciary Committee to take up a preliminary examination of the evidence.

    Case closed as far as I'm concerned.  The neocons are trying to paint Democrats as eager for impeachment for impeachment's sake -- projecting their own Clinton debacle onto their opposing political party, when I believe it is far more than Democrats who are, as Jack Murtha said, "thirsty for the truth."  This is about investigation -- something the rubberstamp Republicans have blocked at every turn in a cynical partisan ploy.  Impeachment is a remedy, as Lewis Lapham said in his brilliant article -- what we are seeing coming out now is the illness that requires such a remedy.

    •  I see Yellow Canary .. (0+ / 0-)

      ... also has an excellent mind!  :)

    •  I agree Nightprowlkitty. And the vote for (1+ / 0-)

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      impeachment that occurs in the House just send the charge to the Senate for a hearing.  Which requires 2/3 vote.

      So there are plenty of safety Go-NOGO point in the initial process.

      I fear many are applying the rules of evidence and burden of proof appropriate for the final Senators to use in their vote.

      If the majority vote of the full House after an ipeachment hearing is equivelent to the Indictment.

      Moving way up the process chain, the Resolution of Inquiry is just to empower a group to start to collect and look at the evidence.

      This should be a no-brainer.

      And yes, it's a disservice to everyone including the President not to do this.

      All this means is that it will happen istead by mob rule.

      Let's be fair to our presidennt and get a formal impeachment process going so he has a chance to clear his name.

  •  Cafferty's 7-8pm question (9+ / 0-)

    on the Situation Room was:
    "In light of the reported White House leak of prewar intelligence, what should the Democrats do now?"

    He actually read the response I sent in, which basically said support censure, work toward impeachment as best we can being the minority party, and win back the majority in November so we can remove him from office.

    But resigning would be much easier.  However I don't see it happening.  McClellan was in strong denial mode today in the press conference, and the usual dodge re: an ongoing investigation.  He seemed cornered a couple of times but basically just said the President can declassify at his convenience.  Anytime the press tried to pin him down on timing, it was not answerable - ongoing investigation.  I don't see how resignation would even be plausible unless an impeachment was in the wings.  They are not going to admit to squat, and the Libby trial is so far off.

    "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." --Samuel Johnson

    by joanneleon on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 05:22:07 PM PDT

    •  Bush and Cheney will never resign (2+ / 0-)

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      They should, but they won't. They would have to care about the heinous things they have done. They'd have to have a conscience, and show humility. It won't happen.

      I agree with your comments, Joanneleon.

      I also like the diary - it's a great compilation of how impeachment is a correct course of action. However...

      The only way that Bush will leave office is when his term is up. He will be protected by his party, and they are in control.

      My sincere hope is that he will have the big I next to his name. He deserves to be impeached, and a growing majority of Americans realize it. As long as the Republicans control the House, we will not see articles of impeachment proposed. Unless we get a majority in both the House and Senate, I doubt we'll have a chance of getting him successfully impeached. Some Republicans will turn on him, but probably not enough unless we can get enough power to get the truth out in the media.

      We have a lot of work to do in the next few months to help set our country on the right direction. I want to make sure that the history books are clear that most Americans who lived through this horrible time did not approve of this criminal President and his reprehensible cabinet.

      I remember a time when the American President was the leader of the free world. ****** Repeat after me: "Neoconservatism has failed America."

      by land of the free on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 05:37:53 PM PDT

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    •  Everything old is new again... (5+ / 0-)

      McClellan was in strong denial mode today

       title=

      Be careful around Bill O cuz he'll pop a loofah in yo ass.

      by calipygian on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 05:39:24 PM PDT

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      •  can't wait (4+ / 0-)

        to see the Scottie Show on that one.

        Q: Was the NIE declassified on July 18, 2003 as you said or for the Miller meeting ten days before that?

        Scottie: We released information to the public through you all, because it was important for historical contex. It was important for the American people to know that democrat leaders engage in the worst kind of crass politics.

        Q: So the NIE was declassified on July 18?

        Scottie: When we released it we release-ified it. We thought it was important for the American people to know that democrat leaders were engaging in crass politics and reckless charges against the president. The president can declassify anything he wants to. If he feels the need to inform the public of important and vital matters such as the NIE.

        Q: So the NIE was released and declassified on July 18, what about the Miller meeting 10 days earlier?

        Scottie: I'm not going to get into an ongoing investigation. That's been a long standing policy of this WH, we want to have a fair trial and provide due process in a court of law. It's important for people to know that the President can declasssify anything he wants, and in this case the American people were well served by the release of the NIE. Unlike the crass politics that some democrat leaders engage in threatening our national security.

        Q: So then it was declassified before it was released?

        Scottie: I'm not going to go back on anything I said. I don't know what I said. I'll say it again, Democrats engage in crass politics. It's disgusting what they've done to this country.

        Karateexplosions I ain't, but with this material to work with I just hope he puts some extra time in over the weekend.

        •  Bwah ha ha ha ha ha!!! (4+ / 0-)

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          I'm not going to go back on anything I said. I don't know what I said. I'll say it again, Democrats engage in crass politics. It's disgusting what they've done to this country.

           I hope Scottie knows that its really, really hot where he is going after he dies...

          Be careful around Bill O cuz he'll pop a loofah in yo ass.

          by calipygian on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 06:27:29 PM PDT

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          •  had to end with a big finish (3+ / 0-)

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            Problem is, now I know how my parents felt during the Nixon administration.

            •  Steam out of ears (2+ / 0-)

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              I remember my father during the Nixon years.  There were times when I swear there was steam coming out of his ears.  So yes, I agree with you, now I really know how they felt!

              "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." --Samuel Johnson

              by joanneleon on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 07:44:40 PM PDT

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              •  My Dad didn't come out of his bedroom for three (2+ / 0-)

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                days after Nixon one.  We had lived in CA where he knew him as the govener.

                As far as I could tell, my father truly beleived Nixon was the anti-Christ.

                So, in a way, I feel I am keeping up a family tradition.  

                The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

                by HoundDog on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 08:02:40 PM PDT

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          •  But this is so typical. I learned a while ago (3+ / 0-)

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            how to decode GOP apologist statements.  They go to a special workshop or something.  Where they learn that when they are flustered or cornered.

            Take whatever it is they are most obviously guilty of and accuse the Democrats of doing it.

            So to me what he is essentially admitting here is

            Yes, Republicans,  are engaging in crass politics. It's disgusting what we've done to this country.

            But since I can't think of any better response I will accuse Democrats of this.

            The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

            by HoundDog on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 08:00:48 PM PDT

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          •  Maybe he will start a special club with Baghdad (1+ / 0-)

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            Bob? Wasn't that the name of that PR guy in Iraq.

            "There are not American soldier in Iraq, Our heroic forces turned them away.

        •  Oooh hit a nerve (3+ / 0-)

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          Republican code: use "democrat" as an adjective.

          I don't honestly know what the big deal is, but when Republicans at least as far back as McCarthy get pissy they refer to the "Democrat" Party. Cowardly and stupid, but that is their way.

        •  Round and round and round we go (1+ / 0-)

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          And so it was today.  There were probably ten or more exchanges just like the one you highlighted.  It was painful to watch.  The press, to their credit, did not let it go - they tag teamed and approached it from a number of different angles and after about a half hour of this nonsense I couldn't watch it anymore.  

          Everyone in the room knows it's nonsense, that's the thing.  Today would have been a great day to run tallies of his mentioning certain words like "ongoing investigation," "democrats," "crass politics," "classified information," "national security," and such.  He just used the same words over and over and over.  A Jon Stewart montage might be even better - would really give you a sense of how ridiculous it was.  

          There was quite a bit of fire and brimstone for the nasty democrats who "refuse to acknowledge the distinction" between non-presidential leaking and presidential leaking, lol.  

          When the president leaks, it's in the interest of the Amerkin people, you know!  If it wasn't so goddamn frustrating and IOKIYAAR, it might be funny.  For Gawd's sake Scotty, have you no shame?

          "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." --Samuel Johnson

          by joanneleon on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 07:43:02 PM PDT

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          •  Did anyone ask him about lying to (2+ / 0-)

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            a Federal Prosecutor about involvement in a leak.

            Or how is was possible to persist in the lie that he knew nothing about it and neither he nor his staff was involved with the NIE-CIA leak (or dissemination) when he admits he declassfied IT and authorized his staff to dessemate IT.

            How is this possible.  Yes the President declassified IT and told staff to tell reporters about IT, but neither the president nor any of his staff knew about IT nor had any involvement in disseminating IT.

            ?????

            I mean what more can we say.  I'm almost speechless.

            The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

            by HoundDog on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 08:06:56 PM PDT

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        •  WTF? (0+ / 0-)

          Thanks for bringing this to our attention mbair.

          I'm not going to go back on anything I said. I don't know what I said. I'll say it again, Democrats engage in crass politics. It's disgusting what they've done to this country.

          I don't know what I said, I say it again.  LOL

          How does he manage to keep doing this.

          I'd be puking each day after the press conference.

          It's painful to watch.  

          •  sorry (0+ / 0-)

            that was my joke. He almost did say that. That's what the references about "The Scottie Show" and karateexplosions were. He does a weekly diary diary with hysterical comments and pictures.

            Try this link, like I said he's much better at it than I am. Usually when I cut and paste from an actual transcript briefing it says McClellan for his answers and I always provide the link. Sorry again, try last week's Scottie show. Best cat picture ever! Also try ke on the Bush press conference. Too funny. If I've been away for a few days, I'll just go ke's home page and see if I missed anything. Cheers.

      •  Wonderful Cartoon. Hey maybe there's one (0+ / 0-)

        small bright side to this.  We get to reread all those Doonsebery carttons.

    •  Hi - it's me - (2+ / 0-)

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      Accidental troll-rater.

      So sorry - I fixed it!

      Small varmints, if you will.

      by 2lucky on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 07:05:41 PM PDT

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    •  Congratulations on your well articulated letter (3+ / 0-)

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      Cafferty joanneleon.  You've got you "high impact" citizen point for tonight.  :-)

      And I agree. We need to keep the pressure up on these calls for resignation and impeachment, without regard to the probability they will occur.

      It doesn't even bother me as much to see Kerry and Edwards squirm on CNN tonight as commentators try to pin them down with this GOP canard  

      "do you deny that if the democrats regain control of the House and Senate , they might [have the audacity and temerity] try to impeach the president?"

      "Well, ee ,, a.. thats not the point xxx, Democrats are interested in a positive agenda for America...blah blah blah.

      Like OMG if a Democratic leader should admit that impeachment might be a valid party goal we would all be discredited and the sky would fall.

      The dems have fallen for this GOP talking point.

      And the media senses the fear and moves in  amplifying it.  

      Like they are aching for a headline.  IF they could just trick on of these Democratic leaders to say, yes, we would probably impeach Bush," it would balance the scales.

      See Media Count! We're pinning down Democrats on their crimes just like were challenging BUSH!

      This used to drive me crazy.  Like hey, demanding justice and the rule of law is not something a Democtratic leader should be ashamed of.

      But so many have bought into this hopeless idea that if we mention impeachment we will fire up the GOP base.

      Like, let's get real folks.  So I guess our strategy is to say nothing and hope we bore the GOP into not voting?

      BS.  They are already going to show up in mass no matter what we do.  To prevent us from gainning control of the House and Senate.

      And messing up their stacking of the Supreme Court and passing Familiy Protection Acts etc.

      The only marginal elasticy of firing up voters Dems should consider is can we fire up disaffected Dems and angry Independents in actually voting.

      Our participation rates are among the lowest in the world.  So low in fact that a doubling would not be impossibe.

      But even if we amped things up to just giving an extra 20% of progressives and Democrats to come out to vote we will take back both the House and Senate and send a message that it is a new political era in America.

      So I say, "down with GOP appeasement!"

      Up with Aggressive Progressives.  Let's do the right things.

      Call for integrity, justice and accountabiltiy in Washington.

      Support Feingold on Censure, Conyers on Impeachment.

      And lets' pull all the stops and demand a minimal level of health care for all Americans.

      Including asdquate PTSD, prothetics and other care for or returning Vets.

      Let's call for an end to the war in Iraq,

      Support for proper science, respect for our envoriment, reengagement of the US in the Kyoto treaties and other global environmental efforts.

      Let's resupport the UN millenium goals and funding for international family planning.

      Let's call for intelligent fiscal and monetary policty.

      And reverse this destructive tax giveways for the top 1% so we can rebalance our budget like Bill Clinton did.

      Let's nominate Clinton as a replacement for Kofi Annan as Secretary General of the UN and replace that rediculous disgrace Bolton out of there.

      And support education and proper funding for school and teachers.

      And a bunch of other good stuff as well.

      And give Dems and independants and even the growing legion of anti Bush GOP (20%) a reason to come out and vote.

      Anyway, this is my opinion.  

      Thanks for fire up my progressive passion and principles.  And ponderous pontification too.  LOL

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 07:57:01 PM PDT

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    •  Bravo joanneleon, :-) n/t (1+ / 0-)

  •  I just hope (1+ / 0-)

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    you remember all the little people Hounddog that supported you in the early years, now that you're a big celebrity!!!

    •  Ha ha ha. Bwa ha ha. Little people? What little (0+ / 0-)

      people??

      Seriously, mbair, I wouldn't say I a big celebraty.

      I had one lucky diary hit the reccomended list yesterday.

      And yes, it's a fun and heady experience.  But I've done this a couple other times.

      What happens is the next morning you wake up to write some wise pontification and nobady reads it.

      I think in Decemeber I had one with almost 400 comments.  

      And two days later I only got 2 and had to call up several friends so I could get 2  recs.  (I'm still paying off favors.  LOL)

      What one has to realize at some point is that it's probably a lot like surfing.

      What you recognize after a while is the the surfer doesn't cause the waves.

      After splashing around here a lot in the fall, I studied how the system works.  

      And learnd a lot of trick.  I have a little self help guide on tricks to write winning diarys floating around somewhere.

      But one of them is Catching the Wave.  

      If you keep practicing you learn what people here are passionate about.  

      Then you get your surfboard ready, swim out as far as you feel safe, and then watch for the best waves to roll in.

      For example, I check huffingtonpost, drudge, realclearpoliticsw, Rawstory, and google about a 12 key topic areas at least six times a day.

      And have an ariticle template.  Pop in the author, the href article reference, three paragraphs in the intro, the rest in the extended block. etc. etc.

      .... what a second... if I give away all my tricks I'll be a "little person" again.

      But thanks mbair, you've made me feel great tonight.

      And I remember all my friends here like you.  This is why I do it.

      It not about all the payoffs.  

      Yes, I know the fame, the limos, the easy pass to the best clubs, the gratuities, the payoffs, supplications, the easy sex sounds wonderful, but after a while... I don't know... it all becomes wearisome.

      So I like to come back and rub shoulders with the little people.   LOL  

      Your too funny mbair.  

      I'm supposed to be getting people fired up about Impeaching a sitting  President.

      Now you have me in a silly mood.

      LOL

      Do you think I ought to get a cape, of a staff?

      What do the other Big Celebraties do?

      I should have my people contact their people.

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 08:21:50 PM PDT

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      •  Uh Oh, looks like we've greated a monster. n/t (0+ / 0-)

      •  start with a big black (0+ / 0-)

        chauffeured gas guzzling SUV and only go where your wi-fi hook-up is accomodated.

        That'll make you high and mighty.

        Seriously, though - good job. I know how hard it is to write a good diary like this. At least I can surmise. It's also very hard to breakthrough with anything on the kos because there's just so much great stuff here.

        Kudos.

        Sorry I don't have anything really intelligent to contribute, it was a loose night and after watching the Scottie Show on my PC my brain was turned to oatmeal.

  •  You Talk As If These Two Have Respectability (1+ / 0-)

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    and as if they really care about the good old US of A.

    As NEO-CON's they have passed that obstruction long ago. To them and their idealology and cause it's for the bigger and better thing. Money and Power around the globe.

    What the hell good does it do for a Dick Cheney or George Bush to end up being loved by a country of people who elected them as trusted leaders and defenders of our freedoms. They can't take that to the bank nor can they brag about it after they leave office to the GANG of power dudes who run the BIG SHOW....

    They did the job of establishing a permanent super military base in Iraq. By making Iraq non-relavent geographically tp anyone but big oil interests. It makes it easier to attack and defeat the surrounding oil fields and eventually consolidate the entire middle east wells and fields into one large consortium to be shared by UK, Russia, China and th USA.

    When you can't see the forest for the tree's then this big picture never gets noticed but we need to keep the thinking very simple so as not to get fooled.

    The reality is so easy to see.....

    Militia General Pajamahadeen Ohio Southwest Chapter....we sale Girl Scout Cookies also

    by JellyPuddin on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 05:55:21 PM PDT

  •  A repub stampede to impeach - dream on... (1+ / 0-)

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    In our household we wonder at what popularity level will Bush Inc. have to sink to for the Repubs to lead the charge against the exec.  My bet is it has to reach negative figures!  Looking at the Delay tip of the corruption iceberg - Cong repubs appear to have their mits in the honey pot and are unlikely to pull them out.  I heard Markos on the Kolbert report doubt that the congress will change hands in 2006 because the democrats are just waiting for the repubs to implode and not standing for anything.  This is likely a sad truth.  So, don't expect Pres and Vice Pres to resign any time soon.  More distraction.  More photops. More apathy.

    "The Dream of reason did not take power into account" Paul Starr, The Social Transformation of American Medicine

    by donag on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 06:39:22 PM PDT

    •  I think we still have a chance to regain the (0+ / 0-)

      House and the Senate.  But you're probably right expressing sketicism about HoundDog plea for the GOP to lead the charge on Impeachment.

      I think he was being a smart alec anyway.

      LOL
      :-)

  •  I missed something (1+ / 0-)

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    You mentioned two undercover agents have reportedly been killed. That is earth-shattering. Do you have a link?

    •  yeah, what's that about? (1+ / 0-)

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      I've long suspected that there were casualties resulting from the Plame outing but have seen no confirmation of that yet, except for the mysterious star that appeared on the CIA memorial wall some time after the outing.

      Yes, there are still FEMINISTS on Daily Kos! Join the fabulous Supervixens every Thurs. night

      by hrh on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 07:14:13 PM PDT

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      •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

        I have followed this story fairly closely, and it seems almost impossible that I could have missed a story like that.

        As far as the star goes, most are pretty mysterious when they are put up on the wall aren't they? If this indeed lead to the death of an agent, it is an absolute abomination they are still in office.

      •  Someone told me this in the comments from my (0+ / 0-)

        collumn last night.

        Or maybe it was a comment.

        Yes, I should check this out.  Because this would be big.

        A late commentor about 400 am last night said something to the effect that the when Valerie Plame was outed every single agent we had in Iran was rolled up.

        So I asked if any had been killed or imprisioned (trying to find out what rolled up meant)

        But thanks for catching this.   I should be more careful to confirm this before spreading misinformation.

        This is one of the big point the GOP made.  

        That outing Valerie was meaningless because she wasn't really an agent.

        Folks in the intelligence community were livid about this.

        There is a spot in the lobby of the CIA building I believe where all secret agents killed in the line of duty get an anonymous star.

        I'll check.

        Thanks.

        The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by HoundDog on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 08:26:42 PM PDT

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        •  HoundDog, please don't put stuff (1+ / 0-)

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          Lolligolli

          like this in your diaries without checking it out first, and without attribution to the source.

          This is one of the big problems with blog "journalism" - without attention to detail and confirmation of sources, opinions and speculation get mixed up with actual fact, and then nobody knows what the fuck is really going on.

          Otherwise, good job.

          Yes, there are still FEMINISTS on Daily Kos! Join the fabulous Supervixens every Thurs. night

          by hrh on Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 04:54:29 AM PDT

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  •  There will be a democratic majority in both house (2+ / 0-)

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    but the question is this: will that new majority do the will of the people and impeach the the VPOTUS and POTUS?  Given how weak the dems have been during this entire administration, I am worried about a double cross.

  •  I don't think Bush or Cheney will resign based on (0+ / 0-)

    the current evidence, but if revelations continue at this pace, and Bush's favoriability continues to decline, who know how much worse it could get.

    And at some point, GOP incumbants will be concerned that Bush is damaging the party and their election prospects.

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