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Historians: Bush presidency "a failure...below average" (w/poll)

Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:26:46 PM PDT

A poll of 774 history professors commissioned by the Siena College Research Institute spells bad news for Bush's legacy: 82 percent rated his presidency as either  as "below average" (24%) or a "failure" (58%). We already knew that, of course, but it's nice to know the pros agree. To give you an idea of how lopsided the voting was:

Two percent judged Bush's performance as "great," 5 percent as "near great" and 11 percent as "average."

That adds up to 18%, which, perhaps not coincidentally, is Dick Cheney's approval rating.

If this story seems familiar, it's because this is only the latest step in the Bush presidency's slow, inevitable road towards the ash heap of history. More after the flip.

Far be it from me to deny you the pleasure of seeing this in a graphic right away:

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This poll comes in the heels of a must-read Rolling Stone article in which respected historian Sean Wilenz argues that Bush is the worse president in American history:

How does any president's reputation sink so low? The reasons are best understood as the reverse of those that produce presidential greatness. In almost every survey of historians dating back to the 1940s, three presidents have emerged as supreme successes: George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt. These were the men who guided the nation through what historians consider its greatest crises: the founding era after the ratification of the Constitution, the Civil War, and the Great Depression and Second World War. Presented with arduous, at times seemingly impossible circumstances, they rallied the nation, governed brilliantly and left the republic more secure than when they entered office.

Calamitous presidents, faced with enormous difficulties -- Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Hoover and now Bush -- have divided the nation, governed erratically and left the nation worse off. In each case, different factors contributed to the failure: disastrous domestic policies, foreign-policy blunders and military setbacks, executive misconduct, crises of credibility and public trust. Bush, however, is one of the rarities in presidential history: He has not only stumbled badly in every one of these key areas, he has also displayed a weakness common among the greatest presidential failures -- an unswerving adherence to a simplistic ideology that abjures deviation from dogma as heresy, thus preventing any pragmatic adjustment to changing realities. Repeatedly, Bush has undone himself, a failing revealed in each major area of presidential performance.

By the way, that sound you hear in the distance as you read this is the carping of right-wingers accusing historians of the worst of crimes: liberal bias. To which I say: bullshit. This isn't political--it's performance-based:

"In our 2002 presidential rating, with a group of experts comparable to this current poll, President Bush ranked in the top half of all presidents," said Dr. Douglas Lonnstrom, director of the Siena Research Institute. "That was shortly after 9/11. Clearly, the professors do not think things have gone well for him in the past few years."

I don't care how liberal they are, historians have an academic reputation to protect. To compare a modern president to such failures as Buchanan, A. Johnson and Hoover is serious business in the academic community--yet more than half did exactly that when rating Bush in this poll. He's just that bad.

Today I finished reading an article in The American Prospect by Michael Tomasky (another must-read) on the idea of the common good. This paragraph describes eloquently the reason why Bush will be judged by history to have been such a disaster:

By 2008, we will have lived through seven-plus years of an administration that has done almost nothing for the common good, that has unleashed the most rapacious social Darwinism we've seen in this country for at least 80 years, and that has catered to its interest groups far more, at once more obsequiously and more arrogantly, than even the Mondale-era Democrats did. Americans are, and will be, ready for something very different.

So it's come to this: So throroughly has Bush destroyed the common good in America--in a scant 6 years!--that historians feel free to declare his presidency a failure more than 2 years before he leaves office. So complete is Bush's failure that historians compare him to Buchanan, who let the country slip into civil war; Andrew Johnson, who bungled Reconstruction and was impeached) and Hoover, who looked on pitifully as the Great Depression consumed America. He's just that fucking bad.

Then again, perhaps this was his plan all alone. It's widely known that Dubya has longed been consumed with a burning desire to surpass his father; to go "mano-a-mano" with him in the history books and kick his ass. Perhaps Bush, having realized long ago he doesn't have the intellect or skill to do better than his father, he'd harness his incompetence and become a worse president than his father ever was; so terrible a president would he be, that nobody would ever remember Bush I--a competent, if not outstanding, president--because his son was such an unbelievable fuckup. This is the only way Bush II would ever surpass his father--by racing him to the bottom, and winning.

And by the looks of it, he's making record time.

Poll

Historians are:

87%105 votes
2%3 votes
10%12 votes

| 120 votes | Vote | Results

Tags: George W. Bush, history, historians, Siena College, Sean Wilenz (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  right wing answer (1+ / 0-)

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    vawolf

    so a bunch of left wing liberals elites don`t like bush. surprised.

  •  I think that 18% surveyed (2+ / 0-)

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    maryb2004, vawolf

    either had very bad careers advice or are being paid paid off by Bushco - the best historians money can buy.

    Interesting diary - tip jar?

    •  It's too bad (1+ / 0-)

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      maryb2004

      they don't disclose who they surveyed...it'd be interesting to see if we can pinpoint who those professors in the 18% are.

      "What's mind? No matter. What's matter? Never mind!" --Homer J. Simpson

      by vawolf on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:32:55 PM PDT

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      •  I bet that if we put our minds to it (1+ / 0-)

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        vawolf

        -using past utterences, inferences and payrolls and the suchlike we could build up a pretty accurate picture.

        I suspect that this would simply be a matter of following the money.

        •  Despite the right wing meme... (3+ / 0-)

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          jfadden, esquimaux, MacheteJames

          ...about 'liberal campuses', there are plenty of cranky hyper-conservative professors in most departments, certainly in history -- especially among US historians, and even more so among military historians. (By the way, they're now working hard on the 'liberal academia' meme because they succeeded so spectacularly with the same strategy in bullying the media into always adopting a right-wing frame for every story by default.)

  •  could you please put (5+ / 0-)

    "Failure" first, before "below average". Failure has a much bigger %.

    It's Obamazing!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Chamonix on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:28:33 PM PDT

  •  The two percent who voted Bush 'great' are... (9+ / 0-)

    ...backwash.

    Don't drink that stuff.

    Please don't tell me you feel sorry for Ben. Ben is a well cared for dalmatian and has not been harmed by my political views.

    by Bensdad on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:28:55 PM PDT

  •  The man has two years left in office (6+ / 0-)

    and historians are already weighing in.  It's very telling.

    From my perspective, there is nothing worse than starting a preemptive war based on selective intelligence.  No WMDs.  This is a tragedy of epic magnitude and represents a breach of public trust that is inexcusable.  

    There are a number of other things that Bush has (or has not) done that rate unfavorably, but the Iraq War--and how we got in there--is enough for Bush to already be ranked low on the presidential totem poll.

    •  If he had some redeeming acomplishments (4+ / 0-)

      he might not be doing so bad in this poll. Like LBJ: he escalated Vietnam but had the Great Society, civil rights and a landslide victory to fall back on. What does Bush have to fall back on? Finding Bin Laden? A roaring economy? Social Security reform? Medicare Part D? Not a damn thing. Throw in Katrina and everything else and there you have it.

      "What's mind? No matter. What's matter? Never mind!" --Homer J. Simpson

      by vawolf on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:36:40 PM PDT

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    •  Actually (1+ / 0-)

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      jfadden

      It's almost three years left in office.  Imagine, the sumbitch did all this damage in just over five years.

  •  i'd like the names of the colleges (4+ / 0-)

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    vawolf, joynow, luckydog, Lashe

    where those 2% teach.

    Anyone who advocates, supports, defends, rationalizes, or excuses torture has pus for brains and a case of scurvy for a conscience. - James Wolcott

    by rasbobbo on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:34:23 PM PDT

  •  Great diry except I disagree with (3+ / 0-)

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    vawolf, jfadden, luckydog

    the following.

    Bush I--a competent, if not outstanding, president--

    Bush 1 was also a lousy President. However I have to adimt his son is
    so much worse. In fact in my opinion I believe GW Bush is the worst in our
    history.

    June 3rd 2008 America is at last started on the road to long awaited recovery

    by eaglecries on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:43:04 PM PDT

    •  He managed some things well (0+ / 0-)

      like the fall of the Berlin Wall and the dissolution of the USSR. He also passed the ADA (after vetoing it twice, of course). Obviously he wasn't great, but boy would I take him now over his son!

      "What's mind? No matter. What's matter? Never mind!" --Homer J. Simpson

      by vawolf on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:45:55 PM PDT

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      •  Actually the fall tearing down of the Berlin wall (1+ / 0-)

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        luckydog

        was the result of more than one thing.

        1 .. It was the result of many years of tension over it causing troubles
        for the East Germans and the Soviet Union.

        2 .. It was also a result of the economic situation that the East Germans and the USSR ran into which is what led to the Downfall of the USSR.

        Bush 1 had very little if anything to do with it with the exception of his
        tear down that wall speach. He was mostly credited with it simply because
        he in office at the time it took place.

        Most of the working people I know as well as myself suffered more as far
        as making a living under Bush 1 than at any other time for decades. He
        was also either turning a blind eye or at worse, party to a lot of Neocon
        activities against established South American countries and their leaders
        in order to try to further their goals of raping those countries of their
        natural resources.

        June 3rd 2008 America is at last started on the road to long awaited recovery

        by eaglecries on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:55:22 PM PDT

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  •  Well (3+ / 0-)

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    vawolf, SCFrog, vox humana

    In fairness to Hoover (the last time I ever say that), he was actually praised early on for his intervention after the Stock Market Crash of 1929.  He got industrialists to maintain wages and increase construction on various projects.  The problem was he was absoutely wedded to the idea of a purely free-market economy, and didn't believe the government was the best outlet for alleviating peoples needs.  The people disagreed.

    Bush doesn't even try.  He just sits back and ignores the needs of the people.

    John McCain is NOT a Bush supporter. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a Bush supporter, but he is NOT a porn star.

    by DH from MD on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:50:50 PM PDT

    •  He also (2+ / 0-)

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      SCFrog, DH from MD

      organized the post-WWI relief effort, with great success, and was an accomplished engineer, businessman and civil servant before becoming president. Bush's pre-presidency career pales in comparison. Again, another example of a lousy president having something to fall back on to rescue his rep. What the hell is Bush gonna fall back on after he leaves office? Co-owning the Texas Rangers? As Paulie from the Sopranos would say, "Get the fuck outta here!"

      "What's mind? No matter. What's matter? Never mind!" --Homer J. Simpson

      by vawolf on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:56:58 PM PDT

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    •  He also (0+ / 0-)

      organized the post-WWI relief effort, with great success, and was an accomplished engineer, businessman and civil servant before becoming president. Bush's pre-presidency career pales in comparison. Again, another example of a lousy president having something to fall back on to rescue his rep. What the hell is Bush gonna fall back on after he leaves office? Co-owning the Texas Rangers? As Paulie from the Sopranos would say, "Get the fuck outta here!"

      "What's mind? No matter. What's matter? Never mind!" --Homer J. Simpson

      by vawolf on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:57:03 PM PDT

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  •  Hooever? (2+ / 0-)

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    vawolf, vox humana

    Hoover and Johnson, you could argue (and some historians do), were not actually terrible presidents.  Hoover in particular was more of a victim of circumstances and appearances than anything else.  Judging who is the "worst" president is probably not as objective as Wilentz would lead you to believe.

    •  Hoover's bad reputation (1+ / 0-)

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      vox humana

      Trapped by his laissez faire ideology, Hoover's ability to react effectively to the Vrash/Depression was minimal.  However, his terrible reputation was a product of his usefulness to the Democrats.  What younger people here may not realize is that as late as the 60s, many Dems still routinely, and successfully, "ran against Hoover".

      A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ~Edward R. Murrow

      by ActivistGuy on Mon May 01, 2006 at 08:24:00 PM PDT

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  •  I love these 'worst President' diaries! (2+ / 0-)

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    tmo, vawolf

    I always get new interesting perspectives about past Presidents.  I have "advocated" for Buchanan and Andrew Johnson in past diaries and received some very interesting thoughts in return.

    I also like to speculate what "monument" might come to the present administration.  If Ronald Reagan can have an airport....  My vote would be for GWB Porta-Potties on the Mall.  They would be in the shape of a W and be made of Stone - or perhaps, a brick wall.  Each one could be inscribed with a different motto on the outside:  "Economy," "Our National Reputation Abroad," "Care of the Poorest Among Us."

    I should prepare the blueprints now.  The National Park Service may call for entries soon!

    The law is slacked and judgment doth never go forth: the wicked compass about the righteous and wrong judgment proceedeth - Habakkuk 1:4

    by vox humana on Mon May 01, 2006 at 08:26:32 PM PDT

    •  The George W. Bush Memorial Outhouse (4+ / 0-)

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      jfadden, Ky DEM, Lashe, vox humana

       title=

      To be unveiled March 2012.

      "What's mind? No matter. What's matter? Never mind!" --Homer J. Simpson

      by vawolf on Mon May 01, 2006 at 08:34:27 PM PDT

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    •  Johnson Once Had a Good Reputation (1+ / 0-)

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      vox humana

      When I was young, Andrew Johnson actually had a good reputation among historians.

      Yes, political conditions can change and the conservative tide in this country was a factor in historians downgrading the Johnson Presidency.

      In fact, the first time I saw a poll rating presidents, Andrew Johnson and Grover Cleveland were actually rated as very good Presidents. Andrew Johnson was hailed for standing up to the Radical Republicans. The Radical Republicans tried to find an excuse for impeaching Johnson, because he became a Democratic President by accident. (Lincoln chose a VP from the opposite political party in an attempt to unite the Union).

      In many ways, Andrew Johnson was a lot like Bill Clinton. Both men were unjustly impeached by a radical Replican Congress. Both men fought and beat back the challenge.

  •  Depends (3+ / 0-)

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    vawolf, jfadden, Karmafish

    Bush is an enormous success if you are part of the 18% of Americans that he considers himself the "President of"

    A short list of people who think Bush is a huge success:

    Rich folks
    Polluters
    U.N. haters
    Science haters
    Gay and lesbian haters
    Warmongers
    Leaders of Iran
    Osama bin Laden
    Oil companies
    SUV manufacturers
    CIA haters
    Government haters


    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room! - President Merkin Muffley

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Mon May 01, 2006 at 08:47:13 PM PDT

  •  Adams, Hoover & Nixon (0+ / 0-)

    So far, the Bush presidency looks bad. But if you think the country is bad off, it can even get worse.

    John Adams signed the Alien-Sedition Act. Many historians believe that this was the first big attack on our Democracy. America could have once again become a kingdom. As arrogant Bush has been, I still have confidence that Bush will relinquish power in 2009.

    Herbert Hoover was unable to deal with the Great Depression. The Dow Jones stock market average reached a peak near 400 on September 3, 1929. Three years later, the Dow Jones was in the 40s. The stock market lost 90% of its value. Furthermore, people were losing their life savings because of massive bank runs, and the unemployment rate reached 25%. As mundane has the economy been in the last five years, we're no where near what it was in 1932.

    Indeed, the Bush Presidency has had a lot of scandals. His threatening to jail journalists goes even beyond Nixon. But as much scandal there has been, the Bush presidency is yet to collapse as the Nixon presidency. I do not believe that the scandals will become so bad that Bush will ever have to resign as President.

    What we have is a situation a lot like it was when Jimmy Carter was president. We've got soaring gas prices and problems in the Middle East. Jimmy Carter also had the hostage crisis in Iran, and Bush has got his ill-planned war. The one big difference is that George W. Bush will never win the Nobel Peace Price. He would do Ares proud.

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