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Some Much Needed Background on Bankruptcy Reform

Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 05:09:30 AM PDT

There have been a number of references to "the bankruptcy bill" here at DKos lately, with respect to both its substance and the issue of who voted for or against it.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of bad information out there. To be sure, this isn't the fault, and certainly not the intention, of any diarist or commenter. Rather, it's a reflection of the fact that outside the bankruptcy community not much is known about this new law or its history.

For example, few realize that bankruptcy reform was born in 1997, not 2005 when the new law was passed. Congress tried, and failed, to enact this so-called reform measure in four straight Congresses before it finally became law. Fewer still know that in its first go-around, the Senate passed the bill then pending by an astonishing 97 to 1 vote, with the late Paul Wellstone casting the sole vote in opposition.

So, in the spirit of aiding and abetting an informed citizenry, I offer below some essential facts about bankruptcy reform. If nothing else, you might want to put this on your hotlist for future reference.

Before I begin, let me say that I'm assuming a certain degree of familiarity with Thomas in this diary. If you need a primer on Thomas, here's a link with some helpful information. Also note that I'm only dealing with the procedural history of the bill, not its substance. If anyone's interested, I can create a diary on that, too.

The 105th Congress (1997-1998)

The first version of the bill that would become law in 2005 was H.R. 2500, the Responsible Borrower Protection Bankruptcy Act, which was introduced on September 18, 1997. That date is important because around that time, the National Bankruptcy Review Commission released a report with recommendations that generally favored liberalizing some of the bankruptcy laws in favor of debtors (the people who file).

Although H.R. 2500 got the ball rolling, it wasn't the bill that mattered in the 105th Congress. H.R. 3150 was. It was H.R. 3150 that laid the foundation for what would eventually be enacted into law. The Senate voted to pass this bill by a 97-1 margin, with Sen. Wellstone voting against it and Senators Glenn and Warner not voting.  (Record vote no. 284, 105th Congress, 2d session. Sorry, I've never been able to link successfully to these roll calls on the Senate side.)

H.R. 3150 required a conference, but after the conference report (105-794) was released, only the House managed to pass it. (If the link doesn't work, it's roll call no. 506, 105th Congress, 2d session.) The vote was 300 to 125, with nine not voting. It should go without saying that no republican registered a "nay" vote. Some notables in that column include Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Bernie Sanders (I-VT), former presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich and current House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. Rep. Nadler also voted against the bill and would become one its most strident opponents.

Because the conference report on H.R. 3150 was never voted on in the Senate, the bill died when the 105th Congress concluded.

The 106th Congress (1999-2000)

In early 1999, bills were introduced in both the House and the Senate that were identical to the H.R. 3150 conference report (H.R. 833 in the House and S. 625 in the Senate). After introduction of these bills, however, things get really complicated and the 106th Congress is far and away the hardest part of the bankruptcy bill's history to keep track of because of the myriad bills and amendments.

Suffice it to say that the 106th Congress is where the bankruptcy bill really took shape and became close to the measure that was enacted into law in 2005. It was also in the 106th that a select group of Senators realized either 1) they made a political blunder, or 2) they weren't well informed about this bill in the prior Congress, because Senators Kennedy, Kerry, Feingold and a handful of others switched their votes and would eventually become vocal opponents of the bill.

The House passed H.R. 833 and the Senate eventually approved of it as well (record vote no. 5, 106th Congress, 2d session). Notable in the "aye" column is former presidential hopeful and candidate for vice president, John Edwards.

Again, the House and Senate had points of disagreement and so the bill went to conference. From there, some pretty weird procedural maneuvering went on and the bill eventually became H.R. 2415. This bill, which was essentially the conference report on H.R. 333, eventually passed the House on October 12, 2000 by a voice vote and the Senate by a vote of 70 to 28 (record vote no. 297, 106th Congress, 2d session). Among the Senators voting against the measure were Sen. Reid (D.-NV) John Edwards (D-NC) and Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who was serving his last term as a Senator. It's also noteworthy that the 106th Congress saw the highest number of recorded votes against the bankruptcy measure in its history.

President Clinton pocket vetoed H.R. 2415 in late 2000.

The 107th Congress (2001-2002)

As in the 106th Congress, bills were introduced in both the House and Senate that reflected what was in the failed H.R. 2415 from the previous Congress. Not many amendments were made (and those that were made were of a technical nature of interest mainly in the bankruptcy community). H.R. 333 became the main bill, which the House passed in early 2001 by a vote of 306 to 108, with 18 not voting (roll call no. 25, 107th Congress, 1st session). The Senate passed H.R. 833 in July 2001 by an 82 to 16 margin (record vote no. 236, 107th Congress, 1st session). Senators Reid and Edwards switched to the "yea" column on this vote and, in her first recorded vote on the bankruptcy bill, Sen. Clinton (D-NY) voted for it. One republican voted against the bill, Sen. Hutchinson (R-TX); it's widely believed that her opposition was to the cap on the homestead exemption.

Because of differences between the House and Senate versions, a conference was necessary. The conference committee was set to meet on September 12, 2001, but for obvious reasons that meeting was cancelled. Indeed, in light of the September 11 attacks and its effect on the economy, along with the recession that had set in after Bush became president and the Enron debacle, many thought bankruptcy reform had, at long last, died. But the Congress was not so easily deterred. In the summer of 2002, the conference report on H.R 333, 107-617, was released.

What killed the bill in the 107th was, of all things, abortion. Sen. Schumer had successfully added an amendment that would make debts related to clinic violence nondischargeable in bankruptcy. The amendment was the smartest political move made in the bankruptcy bills' history because it created a conflict in the republicans' service to two masters: the financial services industry and the fundamentalist base. In the closing hours of the 107th Congress, the republicans appeased both bases. Through some procedural maneuvers, House republicans killed H.R. 833 and, thus, the Schumer amendment, but in the wee hours when no one was looking, they introduced H.R. 5745, which was H.R. 333 sans the Schumer amendment, inserted the text of H.R. 5745 as an amendment to H.R. 333, and then, at 2:02 a.m., passed the latter (roll call no. 484, 107th Congress, 2d session).

The 108th Congress (2003-2004)

Not much happened in the 108th Congress. The House introduced and passed H.R. 975 (roll call no. 74, 108th Congress, 1st session), by what had become the normal margin, 315 to 113. The Senate never considered the measure.

The 109th Congress (2005-2006)

This is the part everyone knows. The Senate introduced S. 256 early in the 109th Congress. A few amendments were made by the handful of Senators that opposed the bill from the 106th Congress on. Sen. Schumer tried to resurrect his infamous abortion amendment, but it was defeated. S. 256 passed the Senate with a vote of 74 to 25, with Sen. Clinton not voting (record vote no. 44, 109th Congress, 1st session). The House passed S. 256 by a 302 to 126 margin (roll call no. 108, 109th Congress, 1st session).

And that's it. As I said at the outset of this diary, I might do a diary on the substance and some of the stranger political moves that took place, depending on the response to this one. But at all event, I hope this diary is worth the space it's taking up.

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  •  great history (3+ / 0-)

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    is it possible yet to measure the effect this legislation is having on society at large??

    is the means test working, specifically with respect to how, if one is not making media wage in their state, while there are still procedural impediments added (counseling, paperwork, etc.) they are still able to file??  

    and, while it's certainly a bit immature to keep track of this in such petty terms.

    isn't it true hillary voted against cloture on the second bill??

    (ha!!  i won't bring up dkos fave harry reid voted for it if i don't have to).

    it's nice to read diaries like this where people actually learn information.

    recommended.

    I want Lamont to win, but I won't cry when he doesn't.

    by BiminiCat on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 05:13:16 AM PDT

    •  Hillary voted against cloture on the 5th bill (7+ / 0-)

      And you, BiminiCat, were the inspiration for this diary! After our back and forth the other day I decided that maybe the people here would appreciate some background info.

      (I've also learned my lesson about posting a diary right before leaving for work, which would explain the delayed response.)

      Courage has nothing whatever to do with testicles.

      by VetGrl on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 02:27:04 PM PDT

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    •  We know that there was a surge of (2+ / 0-)

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      bankruptcies before the law took effect and a huge drop in filings afterwards, but not a lot more yet.  The statistics are from here.

      In the first quarter of 2006 (all post-reform) there were 65,397 Chapter 7 liquidation filings (including 2,147 business filings), 49,854 Chapter 13 wage earner reorganization filings (including 540 business filings), 1412 Chapter 11 reorganization filings (including 121 non-business filings), and 84 Chapter 12 farm reorganization filings (all businesses).

      In the last quarter of 2005 (both before and after the October 17 effective date) there were 570,355 Chapter 7 liquidation filings (including 9,701 business filings), 95,022 Chapter 13 wage earner reorganization filings (including 1308 business filings), 1,977 Chapter 11 reorganization filings (including 263 non-business filings), and 87 Chapter 12 farm reorganization filings (all businesses).

      In the third quarter of 2005 (all under the old Code) there were 429,299 Chapter 7 liquidation filings (including 6,832 business filings), 111,049 Chapter 13 wage earner reorganization filings (including 1,310 business filings), 1,525 Chapter 11 reorganization filings (including 225 non-business filings), and 83 Chapter 12 farm reorganization filings (all businesses).

      Of course, this drop is artificial, as people were rushing to file before the older, more pro-debtor law expired.  Chapter 11 and 12 filings were virtually unchanged by the new law.  Chapter 13 filings are about half their last minute peak.  And, Chapter 7 filings are down dramatically from the peak before the new law took effect.

      "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" -- Voltaire

      by ohwilleke on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 09:25:21 PM PDT

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  •  Part 2 (4+ / 0-)

    I'm curious to read part 2 on substance.
    Well written diary. Thank you.

  •  Loved it (1+ / 0-)

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    It makes it clear why a Senator's voting record renders them pretty much unelectable.  Then ins and outs of legislative maneuvering are too complicated to explain in a sound bite.

    And oh, yeah, since my kids are 200k in debt and still determined to continue their live for the moment lifestyle, I would majorly love a diary on the substance of the bankruptcy law and how it got that way!

    God knows I need a crutch at times To help this gimpy soul of mine along But not a Burning Truth That we must kill each other over.-Ric Masten

    by deminmarineland on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 05:14:25 AM PDT

  •  Law (5+ / 0-)

    I know that this so-called Bankruptcy Law was supposed to slow down the filing of bankruptcies AND it forced the credit card companies to require a minimum payment that was higher than before (so that a $30 item doesn't take one 30 years to pay off).

    Apparently, what was already known by the Bankruptcy Judges is coming true.  Most personal bankruptcies are caused by situations beyond an individuals' control (i.e. medical bills, loss of job or spouse income, etc.).

    It was also my understanding that it made it a bit easier for Corporations to file one of the Bankruptcy choices (you know, Chapter 7, 11 or 13).

    I still think the rich are stealing from the poor and middle classes and there is not much one can say to me to change my mind.

    I am vehemently opposed to the end of the Estate Tax on the Wealthy too.  Keeps too much of the wealth concentrated in the few (i.e. The Waltons - and no, not the TV Show).

    -6.13 -4.4 Where are you? Take the Test!!!

    by MarciaJ720 on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 05:34:06 AM PDT

    •  The minimum credit card payment rule (7+ / 0-)

      actually isn't part of the new bankruptcy law. It was just a fluke of timing.

      And you're right on about the treatment of the middle and lower classes. If you put the estate tax and the bankruptcy law next to each other, there's just no other conclusion.

      Courage has nothing whatever to do with testicles.

      by VetGrl on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 02:21:16 PM PDT

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    •  Bankruptcy (6+ / 0-)

      My husband and I had to file BK after the failure of a business.  Not fun.  Here in Colorado, as the deadline to file approached, the line went around the block (Denver post, no longer archived).  This bill is ruining the lies of ordinary people who got sick, or bought a business just prior to 9-11, or had a great idea that didn't work out. It will stifle the dreams of people of imagination for years to come.

      The rich are living the vida loca.  We are not.

      The constitution does not provide for first and second class citizens - Wendell Wilkie

      by ms badger on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 09:10:16 PM PDT

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  •  Interesting diary but this is why (2+ / 0-)

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    I quit making legal diaries. Nobody (well almost nobody) gives a shit.  Way too much effort for the very few who seem to care.

  •  Substance (5+ / 0-)

    Your detailed description of the tortuous path of the "bankruptcy reform" bill, aka credit card industry relief act, should be required reading for high school American government classes.

    Please give us the gory details of the bill when you have the opportunity

  •  Fascinating diary (4+ / 0-)

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    Thanks for the education.

    I saw something ?last week? about foreclosures being up over 60% in the first quarter of the year, compared to 2005. There was mention of the bankruptcy law being a major component of this increase. Big surprise there, right?

    -8.00, -7.08

    It isn't easy being green.

    by emeraldmaiden on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 08:53:06 PM PDT

  •  credit 'counseling' supposed to stem filings (5+ / 0-)

    but it didn't. people continued to file for bankruptcy same as before the law changed for much the same reason. what changed is it costs more, and the trick is-- if people fail to get pricey "counseling", they are totally screwed-- bankruptcy judges can not overlook that. They have to throw the case out, even after people pay the higher fees.

    one other thing about the "reform" is it did not ask the credit card predators to stop enticing people to take on debt. that amendment was offered but barred from the legislation that passed. bad democrats like biden, the senator from the great state of credit cards, and leiberman (who sells his vote to corporates like a street whore.)  

    ...
    e first 13 weeks after the new law took effect Oct. 17, only 4.5 percent of the 14,907 debtors counseled by MMI had sufficient income to be considered for a plan to pay back debts over a few years. Of those 669 debtors, only 42 have signed up so far for such a debt-management plan.

    Financial industry executives, who had pushed for the new law to reduce the record number of bankruptcy cases, say it is too early to tell how well the new credit-counseling requirement is working -- especially because so many consumers rushed to file under the old, less-restrictive law. In the two weeks before the new law took effect, more than 600,000 debtors filed for protection from creditors.

    Previously, filings had averaged about 30,000 a week. The number dropped to about 3,600 a week right after the new law took effect, but is now about 5,000 a week and is expected to climb as holiday bills come due.

    During congressional debate, many critics of the old law suggested that bankruptcy protection was being used as a cover by spendthrifts who might be able to repay their debts with a little more discipline.

    But credit counselors say that is not the type of debtor they have been seeing.

    As of Jan. 1, the Consumer Credit Counseling Service of Greater Atlanta had conducted 12,539 sessions nationwide. "Our experience has been that virtually none of these people really qualified" for anything other than bankruptcy protection, said President Suzanne Boas.

    At the far smaller Consumer Credit and Budget Counseling in Southern New Jersey, 112 people had sought pre-bankruptcy counseling as of the beginning of January. "None at this point have signed up for a debt-management plan," said Executive Director Russell Graves. Instead, they got the required certificates confirming they had counseling and giving them the green light to file for bankruptcy protection....
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    •  reply to sky (0+ / 0-)

      The intent of the bankruptcy bill is to require people who can afford to, to make some payments toward their credit and other bill debt, while still letting them have the rest of their debt erased.  Each state will have an certain income amount as a baseline, where if you make less than that, you can still file Chapter 7 bankruptcy.

      It will save the rest of us bill payers from getting higher credit card interest rates, that would have been used to cover all that bad debt.

      Filing bankruptcy is a good choice for those with limited or no incomes; but -- it was also used by divorced or separated dads trying to avoid child support; and inpulse shoppers, and compulsive gamblers, and millionaire celebrities trying to shelter assets from creditors.  

      So the bill was the best compromise they could muster that would help the poor and not give easy access to bankruptcy for those who didn't really need it.

      •  With due respect, Erin13, you are seriously (0+ / 0-)

        misinformed. The comments by ohwilleke are informative on the substance of the new law. I would add that child support debts have been nondischargeable in bankruptcy for a very long time, that no credit card issuer decreased its interest rate after the bankruptcy bill was enacted into law, and that your assertions of who may file for chapter 7 relief are wrong.

        Again with due respect, your comment seems informed by nothing other than supporters' talking points, all of which were refuted by those of us who fought against this measure from its inception.

        Courage has nothing whatever to do with testicles.

        by VetGrl on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 07:36:57 PM PDT

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        •  reply to VetGrl (0+ / 0-)

          Actually I was pulling quotes from the legislation itself, posted on C-Span.

          •  Do you have a link? I'd like to see it because (0+ / 0-)

            some of it is just flat out wrong. For one thing, as I posted in my first comment to you, the "divorced or separated dads" line is completely false. Since at least 1978, the Bankruptcy Code provided that child support could not be discharged in bankruptcy.

            The "impulse shopper" is also a myth. Sure, you'll find some bankruptcy filers fit that mold, but it was largely an image used to sell the bill. Studies have been done that show divorce and medical debt to be two key factors when people file. The plasma tv filer is, at best, an exception to the rule.

            The millionaires and celebrities part has a ring of truth to it. But here's the irony: Congress resisted mightily efforts to make the change that would curb this particular brand of abuse. This one is a homestead issue. Rich folks would move to Florida and then file, knowing that the full value of their mansions was exempt and couldn't be touched by creditors. Congress, and when he became president, George Bush, tried to fight a limit on the homestead cap, which was necessary to remedy this abuse. Two factors combined to finally win the day on this one. First, it gave opponents a powerful argument. If the bill was about abuse of the bankruptcy system, why allow this most obnoxious abuse to continue? Second, in a word: Enron. Word started circulating that if Ken Lay ended up filing bankruptcy to get out of whatever liability he ended up with, he'd get to keep his $7 million mansion.

            On saving everyone else from the cost of the losses, that's another myth. Restricting bankruptcy availability doesn't change the fact that you can squeeze blood from a turnip. Someone who's broke is broke. So, to the extent bankruptcy losses would be passed on, they will still be passed on because the debts probably won't be paid anyway.

            I could go on and on, but let me end with this: My comment to you reads with a harshness I didn't intend. For that, I apologize.

            Courage has nothing whatever to do with testicles.

            by VetGrl on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 03:54:05 PM PDT

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  •  Law puts hurdles front of people needing relief (4+ / 0-)

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       The group surveyed six major credit-counseling agencies that have provided the mandated sessions to 61,335 consumers since the new law took effect on Oct. 17.

       The survey found that the overwhelming majority -- 96.7 percent -- of those seeking bankruptcy protection were unable to carry out a debt-management plan instead of bankruptcy. Of the 3.3 percent who may have been able to repay debts, many needed immediate bankruptcy relief to forestall problems, such as a home foreclosure.

       "By the time someone seeks out an attorney to talk about bankruptcy, they are financially so far gone they are insolvent," said Leslie Linfield, executive director of the Institute for Financial Literacy, one of the six credit-counseling organizations surveyed.

       Rather than being spendthrifts, most bankruptcy filers got in over their heads due to circumstances beyond their control, the attorney group said. The survey found that 79 percent of those visiting credit-counseling agencies had incurred debts due to such circumstances as losing a job, medical expenses, death, divorce or predatory lending.
    ...

    http://sfgate.com/...

    ...
    Credit-counseling executives expect the number of bankruptcy filings to pick up in the next few months, the traditional peak period for credit counseling, as families cope with increased energy prices, higher interest rates and a new federally mandated policy that boosts the minimum amount due on monthly credit card bills.

    Fewer debtors than expected are seeking face-to-face consultations, preferring to phone call centers like the one where Cameron patiently and sympathetically sifted through each caller's financial details. MMI allowed a reporter to sit in on these sessions on the condition the debtors' privacy would be protected.

    "Can you give me some background about how you got in these circumstances?" Cameron asked the Colorado couple with an imminent foreclosure.

    The wife quickly explained: Shortly after they bought their house, someone fraudulently withdrew money from their bank account. They fell two months behind and "it just snowballed from there." She was injured at work, then lost her job.

    "Put it all together, you've had quite a time of it," Cameron said, as she walked the couple through several possibilities, but concluded none was realistic.

    "Bankruptcy," she said, "is about the only option."
    © 2006 The Washington Post Company

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

  •  A Brief Hit On The Substance of the Bill (8+ / 0-)

    The new bankruptcy bill treats those above and below the medium income for the state very differently.

    For the roughly 80% of pre-reform filers who have less than the medium income the main impacts of the bill are:

    (1) you have to get credit counseling and provide more paperwork with more third party verification increasing the cost of going bankrupt and making it much harder to go bankrupt at the last minute to avoid things like foreclosures or evictions;

    (2) valuations of personal property have been tightened in favor of the creditor and it is much harder to keep rent to own personal property which is collateral for a loan, when the deal is less than a year old, and it is much harder to keep a car with a loan or lease under two and a half years old; previously is a loan was "upside down" you could keep the property by affirming a debt equal to the current value of the property; repossession by creditors from you also requires less paperwork than it used to;

    (3) repeat bankruptcies must be spread further apart;

    (4) divorce proceedings can basically ignore the bankruptcy court except for actually carrying out the final property division;

    (5) it is harder or impossible to discharge debts related to a divorce for a property settlement, and debts for back taxes; and debts which are restitution for intentionally vandalizing or harmful acts (this was the abortion clinic compromise);

    (6) it is harder to discharge debts for luxury purchase or cash advances made on credit cards on the eve of bankruptcy;

    For the roughly 20% of pre-reform filers with more than the median income with primarily consumer debts:

    (1) the only bankruptcy option is a five year payment plan under Chapter 13 for all of your income beyond a court determined amount that you may keep for yourself (this is not based on your income, only on standardized expenses and certain loan payments secured by collatoral, and certain special case exceptions);

    These payment plans are much more difficult than under prior law.  Basically, you get to keep something on the order of $40,000-$60,000 a year, and everything else you receive after taxes has to go to your creditors no matter how much you make for five years; in contrast, out of bankruptcy, the maximum draw on your income is typically 25% of the excess of your income over the minimum wage (more in domestic relations cases);

    Going bankrupt is easier in high income states (mostly blue states), and harder in low income states (mostly red states);

    For anyone making significantly more than the state median income who has primarily consumer debts, bankruptcy is basically no longer a viable choice;

    (2) the "superdischarge" that allowed many ordinarily non-dischargeable debts, like tax debts, to be eliminated if you did a payment plan, is much narrower;

    (3) it is much harder to move to another state shortly before bankruptcy and take advantage of more generous homestead exemptions in that state; asset protection trusts established in the ten years before bankruptcy are also disfavored;

    (4) bankrupt companies can reclaim many big bonus packages paid to senior employees in the two years prior to filing for bankruptcy;

    (5) securities fraud debts receive punitive treatment;

    In other significant changes:

    (1) Much more time pressure is put on small companies trying to reorganize under Chapter 11 (which historically are much more likely to eventually liquidate);

    (2) It is easier to qualify for special rules for farmers which were made permanent;

    (3) It is harder to recover for the bankruptcy estate small payments (under $5,000) made to creditors even if they were more than that creditor's fair share;

    (4) bankruptcy rules governing derivative contracts were dramatically overhauled with the net effect that a hedge fund or other financial player who goes bankrupt is less likely to bring the entire market down with it if it fails, so there is less of an incentive to bail out these institutions; basically, old law viewed mutual obligations between two institutions as separate, while the new law more properly nets them out;

    (5) the laws governing the U.S. part of foreign bankruptcies were clarified;

    (6) IRAs get improved protection from creditors in bankruptcy, as do education savings accounts;

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" -- Voltaire

    by ohwilleke on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 09:48:11 PM PDT

  •  i'd like to read a diary about the substance (1+ / 0-)

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    and thanks for writing this one.

  •  Thank you for this (1+ / 0-)

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    my issues have always been the environmental ones, but i still believe the bankruptcy legislation to be the most disgusting bill passed in the last few decades.

    I will never -- with my money or my vote -- support any politician who voted for this law.

    It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -- Thomas Jefferson

    by AtlantaJan on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 11:47:36 PM PDT

  •  Thanks (1+ / 0-)

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    Thank you so much for this diary, and also thanks to SusanG for the diary rescue.  I appreciate the educational background, and since I'm not familiar with Thomas, I really appreciate the introduction to that site.  PLEASE NOTE:  while the link to the Thomas primer works, the link to Thomas does not.  I believe that it should be ".gov".  Thanks again for this diary.

    •  Thanks (0+ / 0-)

      You're right about the Thomas link. I've fixed it.

      You're also right in thanking SusanG for the rescue. I've read some terrific diaries that I would have missed otherwise!

      Courage has nothing whatever to do with testicles.

      by VetGrl on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 08:17:28 AM PDT

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  •  Relentless (2+ / 0-)

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    Altruists need common goodwill to keep up the fight because all they have is endurance.  It's a thankless job.

    But here is a diary that lays out just why America is regressing.  If an industry stands to make billions of dollars by buying a piece of legislation, they dole out the cash to lobbyists and begin a relentless, unending campaign.  Even the bravest defense eventually gets overrun.

    Think about it.  Say I'm the CEO of Corruption Corp., a financial services industry.  If my auditor says re-writing certain regulations would get us a billion-dollar windfall, hiring a team of lobbyists for $5-10 million/year is considering nothing other than a sound business investment.  And while the liberals are driven to exhaustion fighting wave after wave of corruption, I can maintain a revolving door of greedy, corrupt liars bribing politicians and spreading lies, year after year after year.  The Republicans will never run out of soulless political hit men to rape our government, or the money to hire them.

    Eight years, folks, eight years. . . and that's quite short compared to Repulican efforts to kill Social Security.  They will never -- NEVER -- stop attacking Social Security because the annual costs are trivial compared to what they stand to gain.

    That's why I favor the netroots.  The netroots isn't driven by a few Herculean altruists thanklessly fighting off massive, well-paid armies of corrupt thugs.  It collects the goodwill from a massive group of individuals who would otherwise not be active in politics.  This is important because the Bernie Sanders' of the world can't win every heavyweight fight.

    The media is essentially bacterial, adapting to each environment to make the most of an opportunity without killing its host - penumbra (FARK)

    by Dragonchild on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 03:59:52 AM PDT

  •  Thanks (2+ / 0-)

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    & thanks for diary rescue. I've made a copy for study & will go in my reference file. The bankruptcy nastiness is one of the great traps for reverse Robin Hood I tend to rant about, but I get inarticulate, and this will help that.

    The usual sceme for a kleptomacy is to rob from the poor to give to the rich. But the bankruptcy trap can rob more per robbery from the robbing the uppity middle class as well as being a threat to potentially uppity poor trying to climb upwards (and make the middle class less of a threat) and that accelerates the program.

    If your local service workers don't get a living wage (including healthcare) then your local social contract is broken

    by julifolo on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 04:18:40 AM PDT

  •  5 Myths of Bankruptcy (0+ / 0-)

    Myth: Bankruptcy is no longer possible.
    Myth: People making more than the median income cannot file for bankruptcy anymore.
    Myth: There is a difficult new credit counseling requirement under the new bankruptcy law.
    Myth: I will lose all my property if I file for bankruptcy.
    Myth: Bankruptcy won't stop creditor harassment or lawsuits.

    The article is located at:

    http://jumplawgroup.blogspot.com/...

    It is really good.  

    •  The flip side of the myths (1+ / 0-)

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      snakelass

      Bankruptcy is still possible but more expensive;

      People making more than the median income can still file for bankruptcy, but if they do and they have primarily consumer debts, it will be far more expensive for them to do so;

      Credit counseling requirements aren't difficult, but they cost money and more importantly, require you to plan ahead -- last minute bankruptcies are a thing of the past;

      You can retain some property if you file for bankruptcy, particularly under Chapter 13; but this is subject to serious limitations spelled out in the law;

      Bankkruptcy will stop most creditor harassment and most lawsuits; but it stops fewer things than it did before; sometimes the onus is now on the debtor rather than the creditor to keep that protection in place;

      "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" -- Voltaire

      by ohwilleke on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 09:30:10 AM PDT

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  •  I wonder how many will choose 'Option Three?' (2+ / 0-)

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    Sometimes, this is called the "Do Nothing" option.  Sadly, I suspect that we will see more and more people choosing this route.  It CAN be the best choice under certain circumstances.  It might be right for some, especially if the trigger was a one-time problem such as illness or layoff.  These are “regular” folks in an “irregular” situation and “Do Nothing” won’t work for everybody.  The individuals should explore all other options and must be willing to deal with possible repercussions (seemingly endless letters and phone calls, possible lawsuits) and to consider voluntary repossession.  Also, it only applies if they don’t have much to lose anyway, and they won’t need a loan or credit card in the near future.

    I am not a lawyer.  I am just a person who, unfortunately, has seen the negative effects of illness and layoffs on too many people I know – both before and after the new bankruptcy laws.  This led me to do some research for them.  I can say with certainty that the “Do Nothing” option is far more attractive now than before the new laws.  I would suggest that those considering bankruptcy discuss this option with their counselor/lawyer.

    I have included links to some sites of interest.  Be aware, however, that these are a FOR-PROFIT sites included here ONLY for research purposes.

    Lots of general information on bankruptcy:
    FindLaw Personal Bankruptcy Home Page

    Some information about the “Do Nothing” option:
    FindLaw on the "Do Nothing" option
    DebtWorkout on the "Do Nothing" Option

  •  I glad you posted this diary (0+ / 0-)

    I didn't realize it had so much Democrat support early on..

    Joe Biden doesn't EVEN need to think about running for President.

    This bankruptcy deal was very important to me in seeing how many progresives we have left in the Democrat Party.

  •  YES ! Please diary on the substance (0+ / 0-)

    Excellent work here, though it is difficult to understand some of the whys and wherefores. I hope your substance diary will include the role of the financial companies.

    A conservative is a scab for the oligarchy.

    by NBBooks on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 07:36:41 PM PDT

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