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Bankruptcy Reform Part 2: Why This Law Sucks

Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 05:09:49 PM PDT

A few days back, I posted a diary that provided some background on the eight year legislative history of "bankruptcy reform." (Preliminary note: From here on out, it's "the new law" because "reform" is just too Orwellian. It usually means we fixed something that was broken.)

But that diary was all about roll call votes, bill numbers and such. This time, I'm going to explain why this new law sucks.

The new bankruptcy law sucks because it's hurting people  

A piece in In These Times, Bankruptcy Law in Shambles, makes my point here:

In December, Alfonso Sosa, a house painter in Fredericksburg, Texas, fell behind on the payments for the mobile home he shared with his wife Melba. The mortgage holder moved to foreclose, and Sosa filed an emergency petition in federal court for bankruptcy protection. But the Sosa family quickly ran afoul of the country's new bankruptcy law, which had gone into effect only six weeks before. One of the many new provisions requires all debtors to take a simple, one-hour credit counseling class before they file, but the Sosas had not known about the requirement.

Although Sosa had taken the class by the time they got back to court, U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Frank R. Monroe quickly dismissed their case, leaving the Sosa trailer open to foreclosure.

Monroe was furious, not with the Sosas, but with Congress for tying his hands. "Can any rational human being make a cogent argument that this makes any sense at all?" he wrote in his opinion. He even accused Congress of colluding with the nation's credit industry "to make more money off the backs of consumers in this country."

The Sosas aren't alone. People who really need help are getting their cases kicked over technical violations, failing to comply with requirements that have nothing at all to do with the trouble they are in or what will happen if they don't get relief.

The new bankruptcy law sucks because republicans suck

My head almost exploded over the lies and distortion the republicans spread on behalf of this new law. At the heart of all their arguments was this: People are using bankruptcy to cheat and that's hurting hard working Americans. Never mind that even the studies that supported the republican viewpoint found no more than about 15 percent worth of bankruptcies were "abusive." (There's a lie there, too. The studies generally looked at how many people filing under Chapter 7 could afford to repay "some" of their debt in Chapter 13. "Some" could be two percent, which wouldn't exactly make Visa start dancing in the streets.) An independent study, i.e., one not funded by the credit card industry, put the figure closer to two or three percent.

But who cares? They changed the rules on everyone to catch those mythical abusers and, in the end, the Sosas lost their house.

A quick note here: Yes, some people abuse the system. But the freewheeling spendthrift who maxes out the credit cards and then dashes off to bankruptcy court is the exception, not the rule. Moreover, the law already provided their creditors a remedy. Republicans were more offended by the notion that these creditors should have to pay for their own legal battles.

The new bankruptcy law sucks because Democrats decided they wanted to suck, too

Go to my other diary and look at the vote tallies. For five straight Congresses, whatever bill was pending passed by a veto-proof majority. This new law is a classic example of why some people think there's no real difference between Democrats and republicans.

One Democrat that really mattered did something that mattered: President Clinton pocket vetoed the bill in 2000.

One Democrat who really sucks: Joe Lieberman. Like too many Democrats, Lieberman supported this every step of the way. Until 2005. No one will ever convince me he had a change of heart. Rather, my money's on him knowing for certain he could look like the good guy by voting against it, but safe in the knowledge that it was going to pass anyway.

One Democrat whose suckiness, vel non, is a source of a whole lot of debate: Hillary Clinton.  It was widely believed that Mrs. Clinton informed her husband's views on this law back when he was President. She was, the word had it, concerned that it would have deleterious effects on women and children. As a Senator, she voted for the bill in 2001, but voted not to cut off debate in 2005. The moral of this story is that no one really knows what Sen. Clinton's position is on the new law.

Some of the Democrats who saw the light from the very beginning: Paul Wellstone (may he rest in peace), Sherrod Brown, Bernie Sanders, Jerry Nadler and Shirley Jackson Lee.

The new bankruptcy law sucks because the way things work in Washington sucks

Aside from having little or no factual support, this law didn't have any public support. On August 23, 2002, a letter was sent to the majority and minority leaders of the House and Senate that was signed by the American Association of University Women, AFSCME, ACORN, the Consumer Federation of America, the Feminist Majority, the NAACP, Public Citizen, NOW and a whole bunch of other groups. In addition, bankruptcy judges, bankruptcy trustees and academics all tried to tell Congress that it was on a fool's errand.

What prevailed was money. Jokes started to circulate that the reason it was taking so long to pass this new law was that Congress was trying to squeeze another election cycle out of the financial services industry.

Yes, this new law is the poster child of campaign finance reform and of the inside-the-beltway mindset.

But to end on a positive note: The new bankruptcy law is also why we keep fighting.

UPDATE: As a commenter correctly pointed out, I misspoke regarding the Sosas. At this time, they still have their mobile home. In my head I was confusing them with another family that did lose their home, again because of the counseling requirement. Apologies for the misstatement!

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  •  good job (0+ / 0-)

    and heres yer tip

    Doc: I wish I had some other kind of news to give you.

    by CKOneMD on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 05:14:08 PM PDT

  •  i was hoping to see some better statistical (0+ / 0-)

    analysis.

    as opposed to just the anecdotal evidence of one guy who got screwed.

    nothing here about the means test, and i think that's important.  was the guy who got screwed.... he owned a business right, wasn't that business pulling in a profit that might have set him above the median wage for people in his state??

    nothing here about why maybe a good dem like harry reid voted for it?

    didn't hillary vote against cloture on the second version?

    etc.

    there's more to this story than just it sucks cause politicians suck.

    even if politicians do suck.

    I want Lamont to win, but I won't cry when he doesn't.

    by BiminiCat on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 05:19:40 PM PDT

    •  Problem was, it would take way more space (0+ / 0-)

      to talk about all that than what should be used here. Moreover, I got really stuck on one of the basic premises of this site: That we're about supporting and electing Democrats. There was no way to write about this law without violating that rule.

      As for statistics, it's too early. There's one study on the futility of credit counseling done by the National Association of Consumer Bankruptcy Attorneys (look for the links in the left hand column). Besides that, we have anecdotes for now.

      One last thing, I have no idea about Harry Reid. He wasn't a major player during most of this bill's history, so he was just a vote. Daschle, on the other hand, supported it.

      Courage has nothing whatever to do with testicles.

      by VetGrl on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 05:29:19 PM PDT

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  •  Personally, I agree with you 100%! (1+ / 0-)

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    More poor people need to learn how this law works, and how to best deal with it.

    The Internal Revenue Service is revoking the tax exempt status of some of the largest credit counseling agencies in the country.

    http://www.npr.org/...

  •  If the (3+ / 0-)

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    Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act  
    did what is was theoretically supposed to do (not letting people who got into debt by going on spending sprees and generally being irresponsible with their money get out of debt while retaining the stuff they bought by filing for bankruptcy), and only that, then my only problem with it would be that Congress doesn't have a leg to stand on, since they're setting a terrible example by spending far beyond the government's revenue.

    The problem is that it penalizes people whose debt was caused by medical problems (Kennedy's amendment failed 39-58, people who had their identities stolen (Bill Nelson's amendment failed 37-61, soldiers who are having a harder time paying the bills because they left their primary jobs to fight for our country (Durbin's amendment failed 38-58, primary caregivers who save the taxpayers money (Corzine's amendment failed 37-60, allows the rich to protect their money with asset protection trusts Schumer's amendment failed 39-56, doesn't protect people who lose their retirement savings due to Enronesque corporate malfeasance (Durbin amendment failed 40-54), allows abortion clinic blockers to get away with not paying court-ordered fines by filing for bankruptcy (Schumer's amendment  failed 46-53), and fails to do anything to protect naive consumers from the predatory credit industry (Durbin's amendment to prevent predatory lending failed  40-58, Dayton's amendment to limit interest rates on extensions of credit to 30 percent failed 24-74, and Akaka's amendment to require disclosure to consumers regarding the consequences of only making the minimum payments failed 40-59.

    •  i know people spend a lot of time (1+ / 0-)

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      complaining about how the dem party can't hold it together on these kinds of votes.

      look at all those links.  (thanks for putting them together by the way!).  looks pretty depressing to see defeat after defeat like that.

      what are dems good for anyway??

      well.  yeas are uniformly D.

      nays are uniformly R.

      there were 961 votes in all.

      591 nays.

      370 yeas.

      but look at that.

      98% of the aggregate Yea vote is from Dems.

      91% of the aggregate Nay votes were from Repugs.

      now we can either look at that and bemoan the defectors, in this case, the carpers, the nelsons, the bidens....

      or we can look at that and just chuckle at anyone who says there's no difference between the two parties.

      statistically you can take out the high and low deviations.

      the percentage of concentration comes out to ...

      98.4% of all Yea votes on these amendments came from dems.

      Only 7.6% of all Nay votes came from dems.

      a 3 seat swing in the senate would have tilted most of those amendments in our favor.

      at the very least would have given us more leverage on the writing of the legislation itself.

      i'm not saying the legislation would have gone away.

      it just would have had most of these amendments.

      I want Lamont to win, but I won't cry when he doesn't.

      by BiminiCat on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 06:05:23 PM PDT

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  •  Well (0+ / 0-)

    I don't support the bankruptcy bill. This is one of the few times I was really disappointed. This bill is extremely horrendous.

    But honestly one interesting issue you could link this up with is student loan reforms. Student Loans are impossible to wipe out in bankruptcy. The Supreme Court ruled earlier this year that the loan companies could even garnish funds from a disabled man's paltry SSI check.

    •  And thanks to Mike DeWine's amendment (0+ / 0-)

      student loans are even worse in bankruptcy. Although his amendment is badly worded, it looks like what he was to include commercial student loans (as opposed to just government and charitable loans) in the exception. Good for banks, bad for people.

      Courage has nothing whatever to do with testicles.

      by VetGrl on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 05:36:06 PM PDT

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      •  Was his amendment passed by voice vote? (0+ / 0-)

        It doesn't seem to be listed as a roll call vote.

      •  Well (0+ / 0-)

        Student loans have been non-dischargeable in bankruptcy for a very long time. That was the case before this new law passed anyway. So this isn't new.

        There was an interesting documentary on 60 minutes a few weeks ago. It was about how Sallie Mae makes money. Because student loans are guaranteed by the federal government, when a borrower defaults, coapanies like Sallie Mae receive the principal and interest back from the taxpayers. The government guarantees these loans because years ago banks were unwilling to lend money to students.

        However, in addition to getting the principal and interest back from the government, the loan companies then have free reign to terroize deliquent borrowers. Companies like Sallie Mae then pass on the non-performing loans to their collection agency subsidiaries. These agencies then tack on late fees and other charges. The law allows them complete free reign to terroize deliquent borrowers.

        While student loans can technically be discharged in bankruptcy, it is all but impossible to do so. The standard is the Brunner test. It has three elements to meeting it. And it is all but impossible to meet this test. One has to prove undue hardship and other impossible requirements. In fact the Supreme Court recently ruled that the student loan companies could even garnish from a disbaled man's paltry SSI check. This man couldn't work due to injuries that left him disabled. And the courts ruled that they could even take some of his sole source of incoime.

        So thus, not only does a company Salle receive a bail out from the taxpayer, they also make money from the deliquent borrower. Given that they have every means at their disposal to terrorize deliquent borrowers, they end up being paid twice.

  •  Sorry but your diary is wrong (0+ / 0-)

    Your diary is wrong.  The Sosas have not lost their trailer.  They took the class, hired a lawyer, and refiled.  Apparently they filed the petition on their own the first go around.  The law permits some remedies for those who haven't filed but the Sosas did not take advantage of those apparently.

    Requiring someone to take a class for an hour to see if they can avoid bankruptcy doesn't really seem to intrusive or expensive to me.

    Apparently there is a split on what happens when the debtor hasn't take the class.  See here.

    The law passed the Senate 75 to 25.  Not just republicans here.

    •  You're right; I got two cases confused (0+ / 0-)

      But the vote was 74 to 25. And I don't really think my diary is wrong, just that I made an inaccurate statement in it.

      Courage has nothing whatever to do with testicles.

      by VetGrl on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 05:40:31 PM PDT

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  •  Everything you ever wanted to know about a**holes (0+ / 0-)

    The law is so grievous, people are still talking and writing about it.  It would make a great campaign commercial in 2008.  By then, there will be hundreds of families to profile-pick one.  Any excuse from the Republican will not fly-it's too difficult while wearing tar and feathers.

  •  To the 'misleading troll diary' tagger (0+ / 0-)

    If you found this diary to be misleading and/or trollish, perhaps posting a comment to that effect would have been more appropriate.

    Branding the diary in the tags, as was done, was unfair. I had no chance to defend what's in the diary or to even understand what you perceived to be the problem. Nor do I know how long the tag sat there for any visitor to the diary to see and, likely, determine that the diary was one to avoid.

    It's entirely possible that the words on the page didn't accurately state what I intended. None of us is immune from communication errors, especially in a forum like this where we have no inflection, tone or body language.

    But I won't know unless you respond...

    Courage has nothing whatever to do with testicles.

    by VetGrl on Tue Jun 06, 2006 at 08:45:49 AM PDT

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