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Wes Clark on the Haditha Massacre (Time Magazine)

Tue Jun 06, 2006 at 09:45:09 AM PDT

Forwarded from WesPAC| Securing America

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In this week's Time, General Clark, Reuel Marc Gerecht, Gary Solis, and Philip Caputo discuss the reported massacre of civilians in Haditha, "explore when combat becomes a massacre--especially in a guerrilla war--and who shares the blame."

Below are excerpts of the article in Time, : "Rules of Engagement":


   WESLEY CLARK

    If the Haditha reports are true, there can be no excuse. Not stress. Not anger. Not frustration. But this incident raises more disturbing questions. Have there been other such incidents? Does it indicate progressive decay in the standards of discipline in our forces? On top of Abu Ghraib, what moral authority do our forces retain? Can we recover our standing in the eyes of the Iraqis? And what will the ramifications of this incident be for U.S. power worldwide? ..."

WESLEY CLARK:(continued)

    In war, terrible fears and passions are unleashed, with often unpredictable consequences. But military leaders know this--and they are charged with accomplishing the mission and protecting the troops, all without sacrificing our values. They'll do their best, even to accomplish the impossible. It's up to our political leaders to task them and give them the resources and to know and respect our limitations. And so Haditha must be a clear warning to the politicos: the window for effective U.S. action is almost closed; don't break our forces trying to salvage a failing mission when we've got more to do elsewhere.

    Clark, a retired four-star general and former NATO commander, heads the political-action committee WesPAC

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Rules of Engagement
    PHILIP CAPUTO

Incidents like this are not just likely; they're inevitable in insurgencies. They happened in Vietnam and even to the British, who committed atrocities during the American Revolution. They happen because one of the things an insurgent does is attack the counterinsurgent's state of mind. The insurgent makes the counterinsurgent feel constantly insecure, constantly scared and constantly unaware of who or where the enemy is. The guy fighting the insurgent often feels lost in a hostile sea.

One of the reasons I wrote the Vietnam memoir A Rumor of War was to show how that kind of war can bring out a psychopathic streak in men of otherwise normal behavior and impulses ... snip..."

    A former Marine lieutenant, Caputo is the author most recently of the novel Acts of Faith

    GARY SOLIS

   Some battlefield acts are so clearly contrary to the training and ethos of Marines and all service members that they remain unacceptable in any circumstance. ...snip... "Yet there apparently was a disregard of those standards by a very few. Even in a combat zone, one can commit murder, and Haditha looks like such a case.

But never forget the thousands of Marines, many on their third and fourth tours, whose conduct on this most treacherous of battlefields has been not just honorable, but selfless and heroic. ...snip..."

    A lawyer and former Marine lieutenant colonel who served in Vietnam, Solis has taught courses in the law of war at West Point and Georgetown University

    REUEL MARC GERECHT

   To their credit, modern Western democracies feel shame in combat more profoundly than other countries. We have done terrible things--in World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam and now, it strongly appears, in Haditha in Iraq. These dark moments--indiscriminately bombarding German civilians in World War II, mowing down Vietnamese peasants at My Lai--do not necessarily diminish the rightness of the cause for which we fight. For Americans, in whom isolationism runs deep, it is perhaps reflexive to feel revulsion and want to withdraw from conflicts and commitments where young Americans can do evil things.

Truth be told, however, ...snip... President Bush, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and their General John Abizaid, not any Marines at Haditha who ran amuck, are responsible for this far darker tragedy. .."

    A former Middle East specialist at the CIA, Gerecht is a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington.

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  •  wandering in the dark (8+ / 0-)

    Thank you for posting this.

    The net stress on our forces is a terrible one, one that should never have been inflicted upon them.

    The net stress on Iraq is incomprehensible to me. The net stress on just every day life in America if you're walking around with a brain in your head & a heart in your chest has also been heavy.

    Wes Clark never fails to be a force of light & clarity, helping us to focus our understanding.

    Thanks again.

    •  'Window almost closed,...' (3+ / 0-)

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      velvetdays, kevin22262, HoundDog

      Yes, no excuses.

      When he first mentioned that of "window of opportunity" last year, it explained it in terms of a C-/F option. This sad incident at Haditha is reflective of the F option, an opportunity lost.

      But Clark does address the underlying problem. The psychological stresses upon our troops are the tragic manisfestations of the Bush Administration's "failing mission" and policy failures towards Iraq, which began from very start of their campaign  for war against Saddam; and now against the people of Iraq.

  •  i have a serious problem with caputo (2+ / 0-)

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    Knightrider, HoundDog
    especially rationalizing:
    [Massacres] happen because one of the things an insurgent does is attack the counterinsurgent's state of mind. The insurgent makes the counterinsurgent feel constantly insecure,

    first, because i don't presume "rules of war" are anything but semantic theory; combat is killing is murder, regardless of agent.

    second, how comes he to reason that any soldier imagines they are secure in the course of  war? so that he can blame his/her enemy for (tactically?) disabusing him of this illusion? will reading his memoirs help me to understand the level of comfort he's achieved in visualizing his enemy?

    i dunno. i dunno what the purpose of such an article is with respect to instruction the court of public opinion. i dunno what these "authorities" are doing to ADVANCE the investigation of US military force in iraq.

    what are they doing?

    Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

    by MarketTrustee on Tue Jun 06, 2006 at 10:00:02 AM PDT

    •  You're right in principle,... (3+ / 0-)

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      jen, Unduna, MarketTrustee

      that's why war must always be the "last last resort", rather than the first option.

      In terms  of what the purpose for writing is,..one is to pressure this Bush administration and Congress to  acknowledge that Bush's mission is failing in Iraq, so it's up the us to convey that by understanding the true nature and dynamics of war and warfare in this region.

      Realistically from a national security perspective, US military presence and influence in that region will never "withdraw".  And I don't believe that we, as Americans, should call for such a policy of "troops withdrawal", regardless of the repercussions of the tragedy at Haditha.

      Once we understand the bigger picture, can we then pressure Congress and this administration to acknowledge its blunders and initiate an aggressive new strategy, such as "redeployment."

  •  Yes to both the above: (3+ / 0-)

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    velvetdays, jen, Sybil Liberty
    there are no excuses for the fact that our troops are wandering in the dark.

    What have we done?

    "In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder, a secret order." Carl Jung

    by Unduna on Tue Jun 06, 2006 at 10:00:10 AM PDT

  •  Of all the statements above, (8+ / 0-)

    Gen. Clark's is the best. Moral clarity, along with a sober tone that is neither shrill, nor understates the gravity of the situation.

    Oh, how we need leadership that can speak like this, and reason like this!

    •  You can say that again! (0+ / 0-)

      n/t

      •  General Wesley Clark represents the Democratic (4+ / 0-)

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        jotter, velvetdays, jen, Unduna

        party well. His credentials and reputation are outstanding. He is brilliant, and a former Rhodes Scholar.

        His understanding of national security and forieng policy matters is stellar.

        Several times in the last year I've convinced myself he may be our best chance of winning the 2008 Presidential combination.  Although, I have to admit that I've felt that way about Al Gore, John Edwards, and even dare I say Hilary Clinton (Please don't troll rate me.  It was only fleeting. But in a fantasy world wouldn't it be cool to finally have a woman president?)

        But if we do not put Clark at the top of the 2008 ticket, he has consistently been my choice for Vice President, augmenting the ticket.  Or Secretary Of State or Defense.

        I hope he runs just to enhance the caliber of our debate and contrast the superior qualities and depth of the Democratic Party's bench.

        The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by HoundDog on Tue Jun 06, 2006 at 10:23:45 AM PDT

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  •  I swain... (2+ / 0-)

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    velvetdays, NCgrassroots

    if General Clark decides to run in '08, and the Dem establishment snubs him again, I believe I'm throwing in the towel on the Dem party. He so gets it, and is so clear and true. A treasure waiting for people to find, and it's up to us as we know Corporate Press and career politicians aren't going to promote someone who will rock their comfortable little boat.

    Thanks Knight!

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right. --Hunter/Garcia

    by jen on Tue Jun 06, 2006 at 10:49:49 AM PDT

  •  ...'no excuses' & speaking of which, (3+ / 0-)

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    reggiesmom, velvetdays, Knightrider

    isn't it grand that Wes Clark will never have to make them? That the General will never have to rationalize/pass the buck or explain the 'whys' of an infamous IWR vote!!!

    That Wesley K. Clark opposed the criminal invasion of Iraq is so a part of the official congressional record!  

    This man should be our next president!

    Grand, definitely

  •  I hope Wes (0+ / 0-)

    will speak up about the Pentagon's and the BCF's attempt to re-write the Geneva Convention; they're trying to re-write the Army Manual in order make it "OK" to use various types of "minimal" torture on POW's and detainees. This kind of crap can only put American's image in the world deeper in the toilet. Wes is one of the few whose voice seems to carry any weight with some of those nutcases in charge. We need his voice of reason and, frankly, we need it NOW.

  •  And what a more mess (0+ / 0-)

    And what a more mess we got ourselves into, and I believe Gen. Clark for saw that when he said that force must always be a last resort.

    And I believe that Gen. Clark wouldn’t have just use the force as a last resort but also he would have handled the terrorist war differently. He would have handle it more effectively without taking chances and not allowing to have consequences such as these, and even consequences that are leading to cases about the legality of the war. Look how the Balkan war was handled, and this is not just called experience but a gift; a gift that finds a way to stop crises such as Balkan war or Iraq war, with minimum bloodshed or when possible with no bloodshed, particularly on the innocent and civilian people.

    We live in a world were we have certain leaders that pop up from the underground and disturb peace, so we need leaders who need to suppress that. And I am hoping that Gen. Clark would be more listened to from the political arena to big corporate world that are financial backbone to “certain” politicians...

  •  Once more, General Clark (0+ / 0-)

    gets it.  We need such a great and real leader as President.  Oklahoma knew it in 2004.  I hope everybody knows it in 2008.

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