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Define 'Terrorism' (with poll)

Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 05:37:37 PM PDT

Last year in the fall, one of my classes had as part of its midterm the following question:

Suggest a working definition of terrorism consisting of three key components that could meet with widespread international acceptance.  Explain the significance of each key component that you have identified in your supporting text.

I thought it'd be interesting to see how DKos users define terrorism, especially in light of the Israel vs Hezbollah/Lebanon/Gaza conflict.

More under the fold:

Terrorism is a loaded term, obviously, with extreme political and emotional connotations.  Some arms of the American government, such as the CIA, define terrorism as exclusively the province of non-state organizations - that would mean that even if Israel intentionally blew up hospitals, schools and churches used only by civilians (rather than arguing that they are connected with Hezbollah) those actions would not be terrorist actions.  In contrast, the FBI defines terrorism as
..the unlawful use of force and violence against
persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or
any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.  link

So here is my two-page response from last year.  You can skip to the last paragraph if you just want the definition, or you can read the whole thing if you want to know how I arrived at it.

There is no complete definition of terrorism that will meet with widespread international approval, either among states or non-state actors.  This is because too many state and non-state actors either perpetrate or support acts of terrorism themselves, or have ideological sympathies for those who do.  This is the origin of the cliché "One nation's terrorists are another nation's freedom fighters."  Since the label of "terrorist" is emotionally loaded, many state or non-state actors will do anything to avoid the label of terrorist, short of ceasing their terrorist activities.

There are several key components any reasonable definition of terrorism must have, regardless of how widespread its international appeal is.  They are: violence with a political goal, violence directed against a specific group of civilians, and violence intended to create fear of more violence.  This constitutes an acceptable definition of terrorism.  In order to increase its international appeal without being forced to absurdly and explicitly limit terrorism to only non-state actors, we can instead employ a half-way measure - define terrorism as a method of asymmetrical warfare, prosecuted by the weak against the strong.  This assertion is controversial and is dealt with below.

Violence with a political goal means simply that the violence the terrorist perpetrates is designed to be a catalyst for either political change, or maintenance of the political status quo.  In this manner, al Qaeda's attacks against the Twin Towers were designed to, among other things, provoke an American over-reaction that would highlight America's supposed anti-Muslim stance, which would then lead to the overthrow of pro-American Muslim apostate regimes in the Middle East, including Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia.   Similarly, the Irish Republican Army's terror campaign's ultimate goal was not the killing of Protestants or English people (as demonstrated by anonymous warnings before terror attacks in order to reduce casualties); their ultimate goal was a reunification of Northern Ireland with Ireland proper.  The fact that they pursued this goal with violence is one part of what made the IRA a terrorist organization.

Violence with a political goal also means that most organized crime falls outside the definition of terrorism.  While organized crime may perpetrate violence against civilians, for example in the absence of protection money, and may commit violent acts designed to inspire fear, such as breaking kneecaps, since traditional organized crime does not generally seek to alter the political structure which allows it to exist it does not qualify as terrorism.  It is even possible that an organized crime syndicate's attack on a public figure is not a political act, as it may be possible that this attack may be designed to eliminate or intimidate individuals, rather than influence any general political will.  However, if that attack is designed to preemptively intimidate, to "send a message" that actions against the syndicate will not be tolerated, then that is an overtly political act in favor of maintaining the political status quo (of toleration for organized crime) and thus falls under the definition of terrorism.  Similarly, an attack on a politician on the basis of his politics would constitute terrorism, as this would clearly be designed to influence politics one way or the other.

Finally, terrorism does not have to be directed against the state, or representatives or employees of the state, in order to be political.  Operation Rescue, an anti-abortion terrorist group, targeted doctors, nurses and abortion clinics.  Although its targets were not state agents, because it selected its targets based on the political issue of abortion, its violence was political and therefore terrorism.

This leads to the second component of the definition of terrorism - its target.  Terrorism requires the direction of violence at civilians.  This does not, however, require that terrorists carefully select the people they will kill.  If a terrorist picks a victim at random, that simply means the population the terrorists were willing to kill was everybody that had a chance of being selected randomly to be a victim.  Here, for the purposes of clarity, a distinction has to be made between being targeted for the act of violence, and being the target population.  A population is a target population when that population is supposed to act in reaction to the terrorist act, i.e., when it serves as the terrorists' audience.  This is different from a population being targeted for an act of terror in the sense that the violence is supposed to kill or wound them directly.  For the purposes of this essay it is simpler to refer to first population as the audience, and the second population as the target population.

Sometimes the target population is the same population as the audience and sometimes it is not.  Usually the audience is supposed to act on the catalyst of the terrorist act, and either force state action, or overthrow a state.  Examples of each include the IRA, whose terrorism targeted their audience population, the English public, in order to force the United Kingdom to withdraw from Northern Ireland, and al Qaeda, whose terrorism targeted Americans, while their audience was Muslims, whom al Qaeda was attempting to incite to overthrow apostate Muslim regimes.

One important caveat is that the targeted population must include persons other than the perpetrators of the violence.  Although self-immolation is a violent act often done for political purposes, has a specific audience population, and can create fear of further self-immolations, since the target population consists of only the perpetrator, self-immolation and similar self-sacrificing acts which do not harm others are not terrorism.

The third component of terrorism is that terrorist acts are designed to create fear of more terrorist acts.  This is frequently done with the aid of media statements.  The Basque terrorist group ETA is expert in releasing statements just after a terror attack has occurred, claiming responsibility and threatening that more attacks will happen unless Basques are awarded more freedom.  Terror organizations understand that what gives them success is not killing large numbers of people, but the fear of future terror attacks killing even more people.  This is perhaps one explanation for why America has not been attacked with a weapon of mass destruction.  If a terror organization has only one WMD, that WMD will be more valuable for them held over the heads of their target and audience populations, than it is after it has exploded and they can no longer threaten its use.  This is why Richard Betts outlines his worst-case scenario as a terrorist group launching a biological attack, killing a large number of people, and then threatening to kill more.   If there is not a realistic threat to kill more people, then the audience population has little to no incentive to react to the act of terror.

Thus terrorism can be defined as political violence with a specific audience, intentionally targeting civilians and creating a fear of further political violence.  The additional and final component of the definition of terrorism is that terrorism is a method of asymmetrical warfare.  This is not necessary to a definition of terrorism, but will restrict the definition to partially assuage state fears of being labeled terrorists, thus widening international appeal.  The definition also retains some flexibility, as weaker states, such as the Afghanistan or a possible Palestinian state, will still be defined as terrorist states if they attack more powerful states using terrorist methods.

The inclusion of the asymmetrical nature of terrorism fits with a traditional conception of terrorism, yet also largely limits the definition to non-state actors.  The stereotypical terrorist hides in a cave or goes underground in a city, and detonates bombs, or uses poison or other methods of sabotage or asymmetrical warfare, not because that is their preferred method of attack, but because that is the only practical method of warfare that they can execute.  Osama bin Laden does not command a modern army of tanks and aircraft carriers; if he did, he would surely use them rather than truck bombs or commercial airliners.  Terror attacks typically cost little money and require little manpower.  They typically target larger targets such as states or corporations with many times their resources.  This establishes the asymmetry of terrorism.

That terrorism is warfare is something already assumed by many in the international community; hence the controversy over the United States refusing to grant suspected terrorists their Geneva Convention rights as prisoners of war.  While terrorists do not usually wear uniforms or wave flags, it is noteworthy that they do issue proclamations of war, for example al Qaeda's declaration on February 23rd, 1998 to "kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it."  If we accept the relatively controversial assertion that terrorism is a subset of warfare, the fact that terrorism is asymmetrical warfare follows logically, as was shown above.

Our final, controversial yet internationally tolerable and only-slightly-emasculated definition of terrorism is asymmetrical warfare for political goals that intentionally jeopardizes civilians and intends to create a fear of further political violence.

Now it's your turn.  How do YOU define terrorism?  Is it even definable?

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  •  From Hoffman's book (1+ / 0-)

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    Inside Terrorism:

    Dictionary definitions are of little help. The pre-eminent authority on the English language, the much-venerated Oxford English Dictionary, is disappointingly unobliging when it comes to providing edification on this subject, its interpretation at once too literal and too historical to be of much contemporary use:

       

    Terrorism: A system of terror. 1. Government by intimidation as directed and carried out by the party in power in France during the revolution of 1789-94; the system of `Terror'. 2. gen. A policy intended to strike with terror those against whom it is adopted; the employment of methods of intimidation; the fact of terrorizing or condition of being terrorized.

       These definitions are wholly unsatisfying. Rather than learning what terrorism is, one instead finds, in the first instance, a somewhat potted historical -- and, in respect of the modern accepted usage of the term, a uselessly anachronistic -- description. The second definition offered is only slightly more helpful. While accurately communicating the fear-inducing quality of terrorism, the definition is still so broad as to apply to almost any action that scares (`terrorizes') us. Though an integral part of `terrorism', this definition is still insufficient for the purpose of accurately defining the phenomenon that is today called `terrorism'.

       A slightly more satisfying elucidation may be found in the OED's definition of the perpetrator of the act than in its efforts to come to grips with the act itself. In this respect, a `terrorist' is defined thus:

       

    1. As a political term: a. Applied to the Jacobins and their agents and partisans in the French Revolution, esp. to those connected with the Revolutionary tribunals during the `Reign of Terror'. b. Any one who attempts to further his views by a system of coercive intimidation; spec. applied to members of one of the extreme revolutionary societies in Russia.

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    by kredwyn on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 05:43:32 PM PDT

    •  dictionary definitions (0+ / 0-)

      of course won't be able to stay current with politicized words.  But don't you agree that anti-terror organizations need definitions so they know what they're supposed to be fighting?

      •  I believe... (1+ / 0-)

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        that's probably part of what Hoffman was trying to get at when he testified to Congress earlier this past week.

        There are too many loose definitions out there that cover way too many different aspects of this thing we call terrorism.

        It seems that too many of the different agencies develop different definitions to meet what seems to be needed at the time.

        Both Hoffman and Denis Sandole have been active discussants in this field of research. I recommend reading their stuff.

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        by kredwyn on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 05:56:55 PM PDT

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  •  Terrorism IS definable (2+ / 0-)

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    Terrorism is a TACTIC, nothing more.  It has many different faces, but its root purpose is to create terror to acheive an objective - usually political.  There is however a difference between terrorists and jihadists - a distinction that has not been understood or even contemplated by this administration and many in the media.  The guys who caused 9/11 were jihadists and not terrorists.  Hamas and Hezbollah are Jihadists - when one wages a holy war and seeks martyrdom in God's name, they are not trying to incite terror, they are acting out of religious zealotry.  

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    by Webslinger on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 05:58:51 PM PDT

    •  9/11 wasn't a terror attack?? (0+ / 0-)

      bin Ladin has said that the goal of the 9/11 attacks was to create a war which would drain American of its power.  America was supposed to be dragged into a war due to the fear (terror) of being attacked again.

      Obviously the 9/11 hijackers were jihadists, but it's hard to argue that they weren't ALSO terrorists.

    •  Terrorism. (0+ / 0-)

      In my book a jihadist is simply a terrorist who is willing to sacrifice his own life to accomplish his goal. Frankly, I can't see what useful purpose is served by this endless diccussion about the definition of terrorism. A phrase in the article sums up the matter very succinctly, "One nation's terrorists are another nation's freedom fighters." A very profound statement!

      Read "Sorrows of Empire" by Chalmers Johnson.

      by drumroll on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 08:40:27 PM PDT

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  •  I get it, but not really. (4+ / 0-)

    At best it’s a vague innuendo. That’s it. It’s a crime so heinous that you can be thrown in jail for the rest of your life, without the benefit of a trial, if you are merely accused of it but nobody will define what it is.

    Terrorism has been around for ever and will remain for ever and I know this because I have been able to deduce, not define, what terrorism is: Terrorism is something “they” do and it is not terrorism if we do it. It does not matter if we do it first or we do it in response to something.

    Take 9/11 for example. 9/11 was a blatant act of terrorism by a man who has declared war on America. The multiple 9/11s we unleashed on the day of “Shock & Awe” on a starving Iraqi civilian population who never posed a threat to anybody had nothing to do with 9/11, however, was an act of “war” and not to be confused with terrorism which is something “they” do.

    I hope that helps.

  •  The problem is the normative element to its usage (3+ / 0-)

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    "Terrorist" becomes a pejorative instead of a merely descriptive phrase.

    Hiroshima was terrorism.  That doesn't mean it wasn't the right decision.

    Similarly, attempting to assassinate Hitler was attempted homicide--but it was justified.

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 06:09:14 PM PDT

    •  justifiable terrorism? (0+ / 0-)

      So you're saying that terrorism can, in some instances, be totally justified and even morally correct?  For me, this requires a sort of arithmetic of death - we kill 100 innocent civilians now to save 1000 innocent civilians later... which to me is at best morally ambiguous.

      •  All war is waged for political ends. (1+ / 0-)

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        a517dogg

        I would argue that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were FAR more justifiable on military, political, and moral grounds than LeMay's firebombing of almost every major Japanese city.

        "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

        by Geekesque on Mon Jul 24, 2006 at 07:28:41 AM PDT

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    •  I agree (2+ / 0-)

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      That's my thought about the first A-bomb we dropped on Japan. It was a terrible, terrible thing and it was not morally justifiable and yet, not dropping it would have had consequences that were just as morally unjustifiable. It was really a no win situation, no matter what happened.

      •  you seem incredibly sure (0+ / 0-)

        what the consequences of not dropping the bomb would have been.

        •  I'll admit that... (1+ / 0-)

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          ....it's just my best guess. I wish I could be more sure than that. I mean, dead is dead, and if the US had killed 70,000 people from Hiroshima during conventional bombing and an invasion, it would have been just as bad. Am I 100% sure that would have happend? No.

        •  A moral dilemma. (1+ / 0-)

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          If we had not dropped the A-bombs it would have been necessary to invade Japan because they were prepared to defend their country to the last man and woman. They had a suicide mentality to die for the emperor. Many more Japanese would have died in the invasion than died with the A-bombs, plus we saved many American lives. I do believe a bad mistake was made by not dropping the bombs in the countryside instead of on cities. I believe this would have still convinced them of the utter futility of further resistance. I lived through this era. There was not much public sympathy for the Japanese or Germans. We had already burned several Japanese cities to the ground with incendiary bombs. Japanese cities were very flammable. Thousands were killed by the resulting firestorms. The Japanese had been guilty of barbarous acts, the Bataan Death March, etc. The Germans had killed millions of Jews. It is necessary to understand the mentality at the time.

          Read "Sorrows of Empire" by Chalmers Johnson.

          by drumroll on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 09:16:16 PM PDT

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          •  'they' were individuals (0+ / 0-)

            While I personally believe a longer war would have entailed greater loss of life, I vehemently reject the dehumanizing slander of a collective Japanese hive-mind to justify anything. Some Japanese were indeed ready to die for their country. Some were not. Some had been advocating surrender for many months. Some were considering rebellion.

            Even my own belief is challenged by the speed and decisiveness of Russian victories in asia as her forces advanced toward Japan. There was little justification to abort that campaign in favor of incinerating a civilian city.

            As for the mentality at the time, public sympathy (I assume American), or lack thereof, may be relevant to the political dilemma, but not to the moral one. On the other hand, I do find morally relevant the near-unanimous opinion among the contemporary US military field leadership that dropping the bomb was unnecessary.

            It is even more difficult to speculate about how much the decision and timing exacerbated cold-war tension and paranoia, but neither can we deny that it did, and those consequences also carry moral weight.

            •  US military leadership unanimously thinks (0+ / 0-)

              that Hiroshima was unnecessary?  That's news to me.  I'd love a few links.

              "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

              by Geekesque on Mon Jul 24, 2006 at 07:31:34 AM PDT

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              •  that's news to me too (0+ / 0-)

                maybe you misread my post, which said "near-unanimous opinion among the contemporary US military field leadership that dropping the bomb was unnecessary"

                Some have claimed that the Japanese were already essentially defeated, and therefore use of the bombs was unnecessary. General Dwight D. Eisenhower so advised the Secretary of War, Henry L. Stimson, in July of 1945.[33] The highest-ranking officer in the Pacific Theater, General Douglas MacArthur, was not consulted beforehand but said afterward that he felt that there was no military justification for the bombings. The same opinion was expressed by Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy (the Chief of Staff to the President), General Carl Spaatz (commander of the U.S. Strategic Air Forces in the Pacific), and Brigadier General Carter Clarke (the military intelligence officer who prepared intercepted Japanese cables for U.S. officials);[33] Major General Curtis LeMay;[34] and Admiral Ernest King, U.S. Chief of Naval Operations, Undersecretary of the Navy Ralph A. Bard,[35] and Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet.[36]

                http://en.wikipedia.org/...

                •  Defeated nations sometimes do not accept defeat. (0+ / 0-)

                  Just becase they were in reality defeated does not mean they would not have fought on for a long time with heavy loss of life on both sides.

                  Read "Sorrows of Empire" by Chalmers Johnson.

                  by drumroll on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 07:42:55 AM PDT

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            •  Hindsight is better than foresight. (0+ / 0-)

              As I said in my comment we could have dropped the bomb in the countryside with much less loss of life and still ended the war.

              Read "Sorrows of Empire" by Chalmers Johnson.

              by drumroll on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 07:36:06 AM PDT

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              •  apparently not in this case (0+ / 0-)

                I'm glad you guys forced me to research this, as it was very educational. I had accepted the common wisdom that Hiroshima bomb at least was probably the lesser of two evils. I was wrong. In fact, it turns out that the majority of Hiroshima bomb scholars hold a contrary view.

                And as for faulty foresight: even at the time, the consensus among those best informed and qualified to make the judgement was that the bomb had no military value. That included six out of seven five-star officers. The U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey, commissioned immediately after the war, concurred:

                certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.

                Japan by that time had been proposing surrender for almost a year, and for months had stepped up their efforts to get anyone and everyone to listen. One proposal submitted to Roosevelt via Douglas MacArthur prior to Yalta offered the same terms that would eventually be accepted on VJ Day. A treaty then might have saved tens of thousands of lives that were lost while Truman waited for his bomb to be made ready, not to mention those killed by the bomb itself.

                I urge you to revisit the history yourselves and question your own assumptions.

                "Careful scholarly treatment of the records and manuscripts opened over the past few years has greatly enhanced our understanding of why the Truman administration used atomic weapons against Japan. Experts continue to disagree on some issues, but critical questions have been answered. The consensus among scholars is that the bomb was not needed to avoid an invasion of Japan and to end the war within a relatively short time. It is clear that alternatives to the bomb existed and that Truman and his advisers knew it." (Emphasis added.)

                The author of that statement is not a revisionist; he is J. Samuel Walker, chief historian of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Nor is he alone in that opinion. Walker is summarizing the findings of modern specialists in his literature review in the Winter 1990 issue of Diplomatic History.

                Another expert review, by University of Illinois historian Robert Messer, concludes that recently discovered documents have been "devastating" to the traditional idea that using the bomb was the only way to avoid an invasion of Japan that might have cost many more lives. -- Hiroshima: Historians Reassess by Gar Alperovitz, Foreign Policy (Summer 1995) No. 99: 15-34 http://www.ncesa.org/...

                http://www.ncesa.org/...
                http://www.ihr.org/...
                http://www.doug-long.com/...
                http://hnn.us/...
                http://www.thenewamerican.com/...

        •  Nobody knows that for sure. (0+ / 0-)

          However, there is a strong possibility that the death toll would have been much higher than that resulting from the two nukes.

          "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

          by Geekesque on Mon Jul 24, 2006 at 07:30:02 AM PDT

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  •  Definition of terrorism (2+ / 0-)

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    Terrorism is what oppressors/occupiers call resistance to their brutality.

    The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

    by Lords on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 06:10:59 PM PDT

  •  Terrorism is wholly subjective (2+ / 0-)

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    Rarely is anything black and white. That's the problem many politicians have a problem understanding.

    "The perfect is the enemy of the good." -Voltaire

    by PsiFighter37 on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 06:11:48 PM PDT

    •  then how do you (0+ / 0-)

      run an organization devoted to anti-terrorism, rather than national security, where you can target the "bad" terrorists?  Or how do you study terrorism as a tactic?  You either need some sort of definition to work with, or you need to say "we'll just go after these people WE think are terrorists and forget the rest."  That's fine if you're running an organization for national security and you're only targeting the "bad" terrorists, but it falls short if you're trying to look at a broader picture.

    •  Ps think about this. . . (0+ / 0-)

      It is ONLY those in power, or those who have power, claim to be terrorized.

      The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

      by Lords on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 06:19:33 PM PDT

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      •  not true (0+ / 0-)

        Palestinians claim to be terrorized every day by Israeli jets, tanks, etc.  They're definitely not in any position of power.

        •  Ah, , , (1+ / 0-)

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          But still the Israelis are not the ones perceived as terrorists. Ever hear the US Gov't or any Gov't for that matter call the Israelis terrorists?

          The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

          by Lords on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 06:43:26 PM PDT

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          •  plenty of governments (0+ / 0-)

            call Israel's government terrorists - most of the Arab states, for one.  The US doesn't call them terrorists not because of who has a state and who doesn't, but because of our close governmental ties to Israel.

            •  Come on, face it. . . (0+ / 0-)

              Are you saying the war on terror is directed against Israel? And, are you saying when the world talks about stopping terrorists they are talking about Israel?  Nope. You could not possibly be saying that.
              So I rest my case.

              The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

              by Lords on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 09:09:20 PM PDT

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              •  George Bush (0+ / 0-)

                and the War on Terror (TM) don't define the term terrorism.  That's the whole point of this diary.

                •  OK (0+ / 0-)

                  We would all like to believe that, but unfortunately his frame carries the day.  But show me where a Government (besides perhaps Iran) has accused Israel of terrorism. and when Govt's speak of terrorist orgs, they lump Israel with Hamas, Hezbollah, etc.

                  I stand by my definition of terror. After all else has failed, a tactic used by those without power to stop an injustice or oppression.

                  The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

                  by Lords on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 10:15:44 PM PDT

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          •  Terrorism is relative. (0+ / 0-)

            Israel was conceived in terrorism. Palestine was occupied by the British. Israeli terrorists/freedom fighters killed British soldiers and rival palestinians with abandonment.

            Read "Sorrows of Empire" by Chalmers Johnson.

            by drumroll on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 09:24:27 PM PDT

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    •  It would not be considered patriotic to admit it. (0+ / 0-)

      I think politicians understand it. It is just not politically expedient to admit it.

      Read "Sorrows of Empire" by Chalmers Johnson.

      by drumroll on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 09:19:45 PM PDT

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  •  Terrorism: (2+ / 0-)

    the amorphous boogey-man that is being used to transform a democracy into a fascist state and to excuse the extreme violations of human rights and civil liberties.

    All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting. - George Orwell

    by Five of Diamonds on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 06:16:31 PM PDT

  •  'terrorism' - a term denoting a violent (4+ / 0-)

    and criminal form of warfare, usually reserved for non-statist perpetrators, but curiously applied - at one time or another - to a divergent group of individuals who later became Prime Ministers, Nobel Prize winners and Presidents (killers all) and who, in fighting to legitimize  fledgling national autonomies were also, apparently, fighting for the legitimacy to call others terrorists.

    The term is inevitably attached to "war on...." the definition of which is:  we're fucked forever.

    "History is a tragedy, not a melodrama." - I.F.Stone

    by bigchin on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 06:21:32 PM PDT

  •  Another definition (1+ / 0-)

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    Terror is a tactic used by victims of oppression to gain some semblance of justice and/or equality/balance.

    The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

    by Lords on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 06:24:19 PM PDT

  •  Terrorism... (1+ / 0-)

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    ....is any intentional targeting of civilians in order to acheive a political goal. And by intentional, I mean known or should have known. There is no such thing as "collateral damage." Now, are there times when hitting civilian targets is unavoidable in order to achevie a legitimate goal? Well, in war, shit happens. That said, it doesn't make it any less terrifying and terrible. Many countries have engaged in terrorist activities, including the United States of America. Many private organizations have engaged in terrorism as well. Some of their causes may be just, but their means are not.

    •  so how do you draw the line (0+ / 0-)

      between "shit happens" and "should have known, therefore terrorism"?

      •  I don't think.... (2+ / 0-)

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        ....there is a line. It really comes down to a question of "is the alternative worse?" And in most cases, war is worse than the alternative. Not 100% of the time, but 99%, definitely.

        •  Absolutely agreed! (1+ / 0-)

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          Violence is never a way to make friends -- and if it stops enemies at all, the effect is only temporary, before things get much worse.

          Yet there is a stupid worm inside the human heart that says, "I will never surrender to the enemy, no matter how badly I am hurt; but if I hurt my enemy badly enough in return, then he will give in."   It is the stupidworm of eternal damnation and $500 billion military budgets.    

          For some people, usually on the left, the stupidworm is small.  Politicians and rightists tend to be infected with larger stupidworms.  

          Why do we even need a definition of terrorism?  Is it so that we can rationalize our violence toward the 'bad' guys, so that if we hurt them sufficiently, they will surrender?  Far too many of the above comments are infected with stupidworms.  Who are they trying to kid?  

          Fortunately I know that if I hit them hard enough they will surrender.

  •  How about an unprovoked Invasion (0+ / 0-)

    "Shock and Awe"

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    I'd never heard of this document before this diary sent me googling...

     THE GENEVA DECLARATION ON TERRORISM
    UN General Assembly Doc. A/42/307, 29 May 1987, Annex
    http://www.i-p-o.org/...
    Drafted by the International Progress Organization  

    From the Preamble:

    Let us understand that the distinguishing feature of terrorism is fear and that this fear is stimulated by threats of indiscriminate and horrifying forms of violence directed against ordinary people everywhere.

    It goes on to say:

    The most flagrant type of international terrorism consists of preparations to wage nuclear war, especially to extend nuclearism to outer space and to work feverishly for the presence of first-strike weaponry. Terrorism involves the prospects of holocausts unleashed by state power against the peoples of the world.

    ...we wish to emphasize that the overwhelming majority of violations of the laws and customs of warfare have been and are still being committed by the regular, irregular, para-military and covert forces of states, not by national liberation fighters. The Western news media have purposely distorted and perverted this numerical relationship in order to perpetrate the cult of counter-terrorism for their governments' own militaristic and terrorist purposes.

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