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Dusting off the T-word

Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 03:26:07 PM PDT

There is a specter haunting the United States, and it is the specter of totalitarianism.

Or so a modern day Marx might have begun a manifesto written in the last twenty-four hours. Because Marx or any student of social theory today would know that terms like fascism and totalitarianism mean something, and that the powers of a corporatized unitary executive fit many of their connotations.

Yet our president has been applying these terms to OTHER areas of the world in ways that should make even a High School social studies student blush. It is easy to say he just doesn't understand the meanings of these terms. Hogwash. I will argue in this diary that reading recent comments carefully, he is invoking the rhetorical ghosts of World War II and the Cold War with a specific purpose in mind: demonizing Islam in preparation for an attack on Iran.

First, let's recap the two formulations he has used in the last few week. On  Monday, August 7, 2006, Bush used the term "Islamic Fascism":

They try to spread their jihadist message -- a message I call, it's totalitarian in nature -- Islamic radicalism, Islamic fascism, they try to spread it as well by taking the attack to those of us who love freedom.

In doing so, he radicalized more moderate Muslims. Charles Recknagel gives the example of a popular newspaper editorial in Pakistan:

The Islamabad-based newspaper "Ausaf" writes today that the words are an "insult to the religion" of Islam. The high-circulation Urdu-language daily added that "at a time when Washington gives full support to Israel in its fight against Lebanon, such words only harm the United States' reputation in the Islamic world -- a reputation that is already decreasing day by day."

(Okay, I suppose it is a stretch to think that any Urdu speakers would ever constitute a threat. There's the weak link in my argument.) Regardless of the impact abroad, it is simply a stupid thing to say. Juan Cole explains one problem with Bush's phrasing:

It is a misuse of the word "Islamic." "Islamic" has to do with the ideals and achievements of the Muslims and the Muslim religion. Thus, we speak of Islamic art. We speak of Islamic ethics.

There can be Muslim fascists, just as there can be Christian fascists (and were, in Spain, Italy and Germany, and parts of Central and South America; the Spanish fascists and the Argentinian ones, e.g., were adopted by the United States government as close allies.)

But there cannot be "Islamic" fascists, because the Islamic religion enshrines values that are incompatible with fascism.

Then today, we get a radio address from the same President that says that:

US President George W Bush says Hezbollah and alleged UK air plot suspects share a "totalitarian ideology" they are seeking to spread.

Wait a minute. I thought they were intent on proving a link to the Sunni al Qaeda, not the Shiite Hezbollah. Perhaps that's why there is actually no statement of an operational link between these groups. But, Bush says, they all have the same "totalitarian ideology" and so they're all part of the same threat.

Note that in both Bush statements, totalitarianism is invoked, despite its singular inappropriateness in the context of Hezbollah, which is not a "state," although it pretends to be one. But our foreign policy recognizes a different government in Lebanon, and indeed Hezbollah is an organization but not a state. Hezbollah's violence as well as its social programs grew from the germ of Iran's opposition to Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon. At that time, the enemy was the PLO, but Israel was similarly intent on clearing out a "sphere of influence" along its borders.

But that is not all that is happening, and it is Bush's seemingly inappropriate word choice that convinces me of that. When he says "Hezbollah" is a totalitarian threat, he clearly means Iran. The intention is to conjure an image of a pan-Middle Eastern theocracy under the auspices of Iran (never mind that Bush's foreign policy has thus far done everything by sign over our Treasury to make that future a possibility.) But the rhetoric is an unmistakable attempt to justify military intervention by invoking the favorite US enemies of the Twentieth Century: Fascists and Totalitarians.

Remember when people like Daniel Pipes invented the study of a diabolical and almost omnipotent Soviet totalitarian threat? Let's see what he as to say about the word today? From "Can Hezbollah and Hamas Be Democratic?"in the New York Sun (March 22, 2005):

These organizations are important elements of the Islamist movement that seeks to create a global totalitarian order along the lines of what has already been created in Iran, Sudan, and in Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Same old song, second verse. Really, this was a complete pipe(s)-dream several years ago, because sectarian differences made the notion of a generalized "Islamist" threat impossible. But gosh! Would a Moslem reading about charges of "Islamic Fascism" be driven to make common cause with other Moslems because of this? Maybe. Would a single religious enemy function to simplify things for the agents of the military-industrial complex who would thereby justify a decades-long "crusade" type adventure in the Middle East. You betcha!

Let's see if this is just a coincidence or an actual rhetorical plan? Cue Rick Santorum (who did not come up with the exact same language on his own, folks) in an August 1, 2006 speech quoted in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on August 1, 2006:

"That's why it is absolutely incumbent on us not to agree to a cease-fire at this point," Mr. Santorum said during a campaign appearance in Green Tree. "It would be a horrible sign for all of us who believe that the only way to defeat Islamic totalitarianism, Islamic fascism, is to stop them. ... They are not going away."

How about Tony Snow in a August 9th White House briefing?

We have made it clear and this president has made it clear that we are in it to make sure that the people of Iraq do in fact have the opportunity to live free and in a democracy. And to walk away from that vow would send not only a sign of weakness but also of American unreliability, and it would enable forces of oppression and totalitarianism to rise again within Iraq and elsewhere. A white flag, in short, means a white flag in the war on terror.

This seems to be a concerted effort to rebrand the conflict in the Middle East as an ideological one, as the Cold War all over again, but this time with an Islamic enemy. It might be Cheney's pre-emptive anti-terror rationale applied to Iran that is actually driving this, but they know that trumped-up estimates of Iranian WMD won't work this time around. But for whatever reason, this is the current pitch. As an interesting background piece by Edward Luce ("Bush 'believes conflict is a US-Iran proxy war'" FT.com, August 11, 2006) explains:

The first is the president's visceral instinct to support Israel against its enemies, which he sees in terms of democracy versus totalitarianism. "People should not underestimate just how strongly the president feels in support of Israel and in his anger towards Iran and Syria [because of their sponsorship of Hizbollah]," said Reuel Marc Gerecht, a former senior official at the Central Intelligence Agency and now at the conservative American Enterprise Institute in Washington.

The second is Mr Bush's belief that the fighting between Israel and Hizbollah is a proxy war between the US and Iran's theocratic regime, which Washington sees as the most serious threat to stability in the region and beyond. US officials say they have intercepted communications between Tehran and Hizbollah that show Iran continues to supply arms to the Lebanese group.

There's the t-word again. I guess we better get used to it.

Am I right about the engine driving this new, seemingly over simplistic rhetoric? I don't know, but Pipes sure is one of the horsemen of this apocalypse. I was thinking about it, and here is a quick test other signs to watch for:

- Does the White House begin to ascribe their failure in Iraq to Islamic radicalism, or to Iranian interference?

- Will the White House continue to use the word "Islamic" to refer to Syria, to Lebanon, and to other entities where it is clearly inappropriate?

- Will "totalitarian" and "fascist" start to come out of the mouths of Fox newscasters with increasing frequency in the context of the Middle East?

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  •  For those of us who lived through Reagan, (11+ / 0-)

    this knowingly inappropriate use of language is awfully familiar.

    "Stare at the monster: remark/ How difficult it is to define just what/ Amounts to monstrosity in that/ Very ordinary appearance." - Ted Hughes

    by MarkC on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 03:17:51 PM PDT

  •  You have to remember (6+ / 0-)

    Wait a minute. I thought they were intent on proving a link to the Sunni al Qaeda, not the Shiite Hezbollah. Perhaps that's why there is actually no statement of an operational link between these groups. But, Bush says, they all have the same "totalitarian ideology" and so they're all part of the same threat.

    That when being briefed about the Sunni's and Shiite's in Iraq, he said he thought the Iraqi's were all muslims.  Nuances are meaningless to him.

    Don't confuse this confusion with disorganization, because we're not that organized yet. -5.13/-3.38

    by Grannus on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 03:31:14 PM PDT

  •  yes , the 1st thing i though (2+ / 0-)

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    when the prez said I.F. , was he was invoking ww2 . this is all classic rove 1a  . as for lebanon , it is just a little prep for iran . i am seeing this more & more on my internets travels  .  peace !

  •  Great diary n/t (2+ / 0-)

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    •  thanks! (1+ / 0-)

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      I also think that it just shows how little they've adjusted to stateless terrorism that they can still only imagine the problem in terms of state systems

      "Stare at the monster: remark/ How difficult it is to define just what/ Amounts to monstrosity in that/ Very ordinary appearance." - Ted Hughes

      by MarkC on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 06:42:53 PM PDT

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  •  Knees are jerking so hard... (2+ / 0-)

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    people are going to be giving themselves bloody noses! You're absolutely right - Bush is invoking WWII. The American public (along with much of the west) has been trained to jump and squeal at the mention of the words "fascism" or "totalitarianism" (which I can't spell for shit, so pardon if I got it wrong), but the knowledge of exactly what those words mean has been lost among an assload (metric assload, to be exact) of the same Americans.

    In American language calculus (a term I just invented, and hey, I like it!):

    Fascist = one'a those bad guys who are, like, nazis or somethin'. Not applicable to the the government of the good ol' US of A.
    Totalitarian = one'a those bad guys who runs a big fighting force that walks in goosestep. Also not applicable to the good ol' US of A.

    "Sometimes I think it should be a rule of war that you have to see somebody up close and get to know him before you can shoot him." - Colonel Potter, M*A*S*H

    by Chaoticfluffy on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 04:16:52 PM PDT

    •  American Language Calculus (0+ / 0-)

      Good idea, bad phrase, we need to work on a better one.

      We are talking about the emotional, evocative meaning of a term, not it's historical reference or logical associations.  

      The force in Iran is good old fashioned Nationalism. They want to have a nuclear arsonal like Israel, Pakastan and others in their league. The leadership of Iran was democratically elected, sort of, so it lacks a main quality of totalitarian or fascist countries.

      But this will work. To revise P.T.Barnum, No one ever lost an election underestimating the intelligence of the American Public.

  •  Urdu speakers not a threat ? (1+ / 0-)

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    Seeing as how a significant portion of Pakistan speaks Urdu I think there could be certainly a threat...

  •  Saudi Arabia (3+ / 0-)

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    Notice how quiet the news has been about this Bush ally. Saudi Arabia is so central to the oil state geopolitical game of Risk this administration is playing it is a wonder how silent the media is about them. It only lends credence to the absolute control and secrecy (totalitarianism) effectiveness the monarchy has over it's internal and foreign political affairs. It's important to remember how close they are to the Bushes and they are probably the single most influential advisers of middle eastern sectarian and political conditions to this administration. But they are completely in the shadows. Remember Mr. High Profile Prince Bandar, Bush's buddy, he's been replaced by Mr. Shhhh Be vewy vewy quiet. Prince Turki al Faisal. This former head of Saudi intelligence and long time collaborator with George Bush senior(as CIA director), Osama bin Laden and the enabler if not creator of the Afghan Taliban. They know exactly what they are doing. And they knew as well as Clinton did and the rest of the world that the war in Iraq was going to be a bloody eruption of sectarian hell. It's important not to be selectively naive about the lies they tell. Their optimism about how this war was going to turn out was as much a lie as the cause they claimed to start it. If anybody thinks Saudi Intelligence didn't have intimate knowledge of Bin Laden's plans and operations they are kidding themselves. You take it from there.

  •  Hey! Lets not sell GW short (2+ / 0-)

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    Bush ought to know a Fascist when he sees one. He gets an up close personal look at a good number of them every day, starting when he shaves. He understands the totalitarian mind set for the same reasons. I’ll give you he hasn’t the first clue as too the proper usage of the term Islamic.

    The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. George Santayana

    by Bobjack23 on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 09:36:02 PM PDT

  •  Totalitarianism & Facism . . . (1+ / 0-)

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    Every time I hear those two words, I think about the guys in the White House first.

    Killing for Peace is like Fucking for Virginity!

    by vista2020 on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 09:45:12 PM PDT

  •  Christian Fascism redux (0+ / 0-)

    I posted about this earlier tonight - the story referenced seems to do a pretty good job of summing up the issue.
    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    "Soon we must all face the choice between what is right and what is easy." - Albus Dumbledore

    by Iowa Boy on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 10:29:43 PM PDT

    •  And I thought it interesting (0+ / 0-)

      the quote from Juan Cole in the post:

      But there cannot be "Islamic" fascists, because the Islamic religion enshrines values that are incompatible with fascism.

      I would say that this is misleading, because technically it would be true that there also cannot be "Christian" fascists, because the Christian religion enshrines values that are incompatible with fascism.

      And yet what do we have here in the USA?  There is the rub.

      When y'ain't got nothin', ya got nothin' to lose.

      by aerdrie faenya on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 02:36:18 PM PDT

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      •  Difference (0+ / 0-)

        The difference as I understand it is that "Christian" can describe the adherents of the religion as well as the religion itself. Whereas "Islamic" just describes the religion; if you want to describe the followers, it's better to say "Muslim."

  •  Interesting Word Choice (0+ / 0-)

    This is a good topic.  I actually agree with this choice of words to a good degree.  It finally starts pinpointing who we are fighting with in the "war on terror".  Saying there is a war on terror is so broad that it is almost useless.  There are "terrorist acts" when an old lady gets robbed by a 14 year old while walking down the street.  Are we really at war with common criminals?

    By involking "Islamic Fascism" and "Islamic totalitarianism", they are actually finally attempting to put the enemy into context.  This war has always been bigger than the US vs Al queda.  I don't really see where Iraq fits in except Saddam was a nuisance.  Doesn't really help if we are fighting an enemy that is an "islamic fundamentalist" state (Iran in particular) and we hand their neighbors to them.  That is a different discussion altogether.

    I think it is pretty obvious that Iran and the Supreme Council that has been running that country into the ground is in a direct conflict of existence with America.  The enemies we are against are the likes of the Taliban which put in a government dedicated to supporting a totalitarian islamic state and the killing of anyone who doesn't submit to their view of what Islam says.  These are totalitarian and fascist views.  

    As for Bush using these terms to rally up war support, there are reasons he is busting them out now.  I hope they have restraint in trying to go to war right now.  So far, the administration is actually applying some lessons about working with allies on Iran and I hope they don't abandon everything again to fight another war we don't need.  Hard to trust they will do the right thing, but I think it is time to come to terms that Islamic Fascism and Islamic Totalitarianism is a real movement in the arab world and we must call it by it's real name and come up with real solutions to diffuse the movement before it takes hold of many countries.

    Those are my thoughts.  They probably aren't particularly popular on this site.  Please let me know your thoughts.  I enjoy real discussion about the real world problems we are in right now.

    •  uh, direct conflict of interest with America? (2+ / 0-)

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      Other than oil, just what strategic interests does the USA have in the Middle East?

      If we replaced our petroleum imports with homegrown alternative fuels, would anybody not a member of the PNAC or somebody with relatives in the Middle East care what went on there?

      Given this, what fundamental conflict of interest does any Middle East resident or nation have with the USA?

      Our interest in the Middle East is temporary and at worst, will run out less than a generation from now when the oil does. Best case, we replace petroleum before then and at that point, we pull out all our troops and let the Muslim population live in whatever manner amuses them.

      People keep acting like oil is forever, something that no informed person really believes. In a generation, assuming the GOP doesn't manage to generate a nuclear holocaust in the course of the oil wars already in progress, the Middle East will be like one of the more obscure nations in Africa that generate news that hits international media every other blue moon or so.

      Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

      by alizard on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 01:29:52 AM PDT

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      •  Iran (1+ / 0-)

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        is a semi-democracy. Bush did everything possible to put the Ahmadinejad government in place instead of the moderate reform government/movement that had grown up internally from fatigue with Khomeinism. Radical Islamist states can be more easily stigmatized and attacked, unless they're Saudis of course or Syrians sitting on a pipeline route. It's also an abuse of language to call radical Islamism fascist or totalitarian - those terms acquired their meaning not only through political tyranny but through very specific economic regimes that are simply unrelated to Islam.

        Then let us learn our range: we are something but we are not everything - Pascal

        by jlb1972 on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 02:52:29 AM PDT

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        •  Semi-Democracy (0+ / 0-)

          Iran has been one of the most frustrating countries I have read about.  They have had a brewing Democratic reform movement which lead to the Shah's overthrow in 79 and continues to this day.  They were so excited about their last president (I forget his name) because he was supposed to put a lot of democratic reforms in place.  Probably a majority of the people were really hopeful for a new Iran...

          The problem is, the Supreme Council of ayatollahs watered down or forbid, by judicious Islamic rulings, any real democratic changes.  This wasn't Bush's fault, for once.  This was a systematic totalitarianism in Iran.  They have given the people the illusion of democracy but prevent change.  Those poor people have been beaten down so long and it makes me sick.  They are giving up on democracy quickly now because of apathy that whoever they elect will not be able to come through with their campaign promises PLUS the ruling party only lets a chosen few of the reform candidates run in the first place.

          The Saudis are getting a free ride.  They are modernizing their economy and at least humoring us with human rights reforms (like Pakistan).  I think ol' Bush has his hands full and doesn't need to invade Iran and Saudi Arabia at the same time this week.

          From dictionary.com,

          Totalitarian--Of, relating to, being, or imposing a form of government in which the political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing political and cultural expression is suppressed: “A totalitarian regime crushes all autonomous institutions in its drive to seize the human soul”...sounds like Iran, Taliban and the movement to put that in place in all countries where Muslims live.

          Fascism--
          A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. or
          A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
          Oppressive, dictatorial control....Iran has a dictitorial council, they are cracking down hard on the economics of the country to the point that they have ruined the whole fragile economy at this point (without oil money propping them up, it would be complete disaster there) and the whole movement has been very racist towards jews for decades.

        •  what the Iranians are doing right (1+ / 0-)

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          Note: I agree with your characterization of Iran as a semi-democracy.

          They're the one oil nation I know of in the Middle East where the government not only knows that the oil will run out Real Soon Now, but is actually trying to set up an economic base that will provide a national cash flow for when the oil runs out.

          This is a policy the theocrats and the democrats seem to be agreed on. Unlike the Royal Houses of the oil nations, I don't expect the ruling class of Iran to bail when the oil runs out.

          I don't agree with their development plans,

          • while genetic engineering is A Good Thing to get into, their religion-based limitations are going to keep them from making the best and most profitable use of the technology, they can't develop human stem cell research and the other human genetic material projects which will make it possible to cure diseases and genetic disorders.
          • Unlike many here, I don't see civilian nuclear as a cost-effective area to get into. Deserts are a great places to work with solar and wind power. . . they're surrounded with the primary raw material for solar cells.
          • Can't comment on the educational system, don't know enough about it. But if they intend to sell technology in the long run for money, their schools have to be teaching more than just the Quran, and that is A Good Thing.

          But at least they've got post-oil development plans. Which puts them ahead of OUR GOP-misled government. This should worry you, it does me.

          Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

          by alizard on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 01:10:37 PM PDT

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      •  conflict of interest (0+ / 0-)

        It is easy to say we are only in the middle east for the oil.  I completely agree on the energy independence.  We have given away our competitiveness for electronics and manufacturing, so it would be nice to be the world leaders in energy technology.  Just for the sheer economics of that.  Oil is a useful resource (much more do than gold and diamond, which are used for currency directly), so to say if the US gains energy independence then we can run from the ME is just being crazy.  The leaders there will always have money from some source.

        That being said, I was reading up on history and see that Israel was put in its current location by a majority vote in the UN with the arab countries basically voting against it as the minority.  The only way the world will move forward is if the UN resolutions are enforced (by the world, not Team America), so the world has to support Israel's right to exist.  Therefore, when the Hezbollahs, Hamases, Irans of the world say they are only on the planet to kill Israelis, we are in direct conflict of interest with those countries and the world SHOULD be, but the world is not sticking up for what is right and the necessary steps required to maintain world peace.  In the late 1930s, France tried to look the other way when there were obvious threats, and you see what they got.  

        •  what makes you think (0+ / 0-)

          that the House of Saud is going to stay in Saudi Arabia for more than 10 minutes after the incoming cash flow from oil comes to an end? As of that time, Saudi Arabia ceases to be an asset and becomes a net drain on the cash flow of the House of Saud, which at this point, will be solely from their investments in the West and in developing countries.

          As goes the House of Saud, so will go the rest of the Royal Houses of the rest of the oil kingdoms.

          The combined non-exports of the Middle Eastern oil countries are about equal to the exports of one of the smallest Western First World nations. . . as in Finland.

          This is because the oil monarchies have NOT invested in the infrastructures that make a people into a productive nation.

          Basically, it's the GOP and corporate Right economic strategy as applied to monarchies. . . what if George W Bush and the current generation of C-level Fortune 1000 people had been running the country 30 years ago? America would be the bankrupt resource-extracted corpse that the Arab oil countries are collectively going to be come. Think Argentina in the 70s.

          Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

          by alizard on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 12:57:50 PM PDT

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    •  Are you angry enough at people there (2+ / 0-)

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      to go to the Middle East and start killing "the enemies" as you call them?  What if they killed your mother, your father, a best friend, or some other family member?  Would you go there and kill then?

      Each time we kill someone in the Middle East, we are creating more "terrorists" that avenge the deaths of the ones we kill.  That is why a war that we involve ourselves in must: (1) be absolutely necessary for our survival (e.g. the Iraq War was not), (2) must have defined objectives that can be achieved in a short time, and (3) we must have enough "boots on the ground" from the outset to get the job done.  The Iraq War, the war in southern Lebanon, and the potential conflict in Iran ALL fail these 3 tests.

      War begets more war, unless the whole world is behind the United States.  With regard to the Middle East, the USA is pretty much on its own.  As much as it hurts America's image of being Rambo in war, we got to start using competent diplomacy, espionage, police work, and international cooperation to solve foreign relations problems.  Otherwise, America is in much more trouble than most people can even dream about.

      -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

      by sunbro on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 03:07:28 AM PDT

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    •  Iran and US (0+ / 0-)

      Iran desperately wants to be bombed by Israel in a few places so it can be less democratic. Then they can also save face about not having the bomb. Crazy? Well using an air attack as an excuse to suppress dissent is right out of W's play book.

      Iran is fighting Saudi Arabia. The Iraq civil war is a proxy fight between Saudi Arabia and Iran, just like the US civil war was a proxy fight between France (North) and England (South).

      W's imaginary Islamic cabal consists of 2 parties (shiite and Sunni) that kill each other incessently. The only thing that unifies them is the US and ISrael.

  •  Speaking of demonization.... (2+ / 0-)

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    ....check out this....Planet of the Arabs....

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    A real lesson in hollywood film based villificationa and demonization of arab people.

  •  Hey, kids! Say 'Bushist fascist, Bushist fascist (0+ / 0-)

    Bushist Fascist!" thirty-five times really fast!

    See?  Wasn't that fun?

    No doubt the Bushist fascists think if they say the words 'facist' and 'totalitarian' enough times, people will get used to the notion that fascist totalitarians have taken over America and make less of a stink.

    get the snakes off the plane

  •  Totalitarianism (0+ / 0-)

    The president and his henchmen should know all about totalitarianism its their dogma.

    St. Ronnie was an asshole.

    by manwithnoname on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 06:13:29 AM PDT

  •  As usual... (1+ / 0-)

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    If Bush and Co. is warning us of the perils of something, it is because they themselves are pursuing it.

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