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Join The Army! (As long as you're not gay)

Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 04:07:37 PM PDT

It's pretty ironic, actually.  For years the policy of the military has been "Don't ask, don't tell."  Not one of Clinton's shining moments, to be sure.  But this has allowed the military to enlist gay and lesbian soldiers - as long as they don't mention they're gay.

The Pentagon has relaxed enlistment standards including age, physical fitness, education and criminal records.  The Corps has been unable to meet their recruitment levels and has a current shortfall of 1,200 people.  Yet the number of people leaving the military because they've admitted to being homosexual has risen since 2001.  

In fact, if you don't wanna go to war no more, looks like the only way to get out (in one piece) is to tell them you're gay.  How long will we allow our government to discriminate against sexual orientation in the military?

Seems like the logical thing to do would be to eliminate the ban on homosexuals in the military.  It's estimated that more than 65,000 people serving in the military are homosexual.  One out of ten people in the United States is bisexual or homosexual.  

Since the ban on gays serving openly was implemented more than 11,000 men and women have been dismissed under "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" according to the Government Accountability Office.

According to the GAO more than 800 of those had skills deemed `critical' by the Department of Defense, including linguistic training, medical skills and expertise in combat engineering.

This is the first time the Marines have had to use the involuntary recall since the beginning of the Iraq combat. The Army, meanwhile, has issued orders recalling about 10,000 soldiers so far, but many of those may be granted exemptions.

Freakin' ridiculous, if you ask me.  Since when has sexual orientation had anything to do with defending our nation?

"If President Bush is truly interested in boosting the manpower of our services, he should immediately endorse repeal of `Don't Ask, Don't Tell,'" said C. Dixon Osburn, executive director of SLDN.  

"Our closest allies in Iraq and Afghanistan already benefit from welcoming openly gay troops, and we should as well.  Today's news is yet another compelling reason for Congress to lift the ban."

A Congressional bill to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is supported by 119 members of Congress, from both sides of the aisle.

"Every day, the Marine Corps loses good men and women because of this law, and every day, others choose not to re-enlist because they are officially unwelcome in the services," said former Marine Sergeant and Iraq war veteran Brian Fricke.  

P.S.  While I'm personally against the war, I support my troops - no matter what sexual orientation they may be.

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  •  I wonder (3+ / 0-)

    if the military is having to have soldiers/sailors/marines prove that they are gay or lesbian.  I mean, anyone can say that they are gay.

    "Okay Private Wilkins, you say you are gay.  Prove it.  Toss my salad."

    January 20. 2009 cannot come soon enough.

    by Crisis Corps Volunteer on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 04:07:17 PM PDT

    •  Shades of the Vietnam-era draft! (3+ / 0-)

      When there were 'manuals' published advising people how to get the homosexual deferment when their draft board interviews came up.

      One of the ironies of that time was that actual practicing homosexuals sometimes failed to get the deferment and fakers did.

    •  My son isn't gay.. (1+ / 0-)

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      but he knows a lot of show tunes by heart, so I think he can fake it if he needs to..

      •  Cool (0+ / 0-)

        This one should get him out for sure...

        She climbs a tree and scrapes her knee
        Her dress has got a tear
        She waltzes on her way to Mass
        And whistles on the stair
        And underneath her wimple
        She has curlers in her hair
        I even heard her singing in the abbey

        She's always late for chapel
        But her penitence is real
        She's always late for everything
        Except for every meal
        I hate to have to say it
        But I very firmly feel
        Maria's not an asset to the abbey

        I'd like to say a word in her behalf
        Maria makes me laugh

        How do you solve a problem like Maria?
        How do you catch a cloud and pin it down?
        How do you find a word that means Maria?
        A flibbertijibbet! A will-o'-the wisp! A clown!

        Many a thing you know you'd like to tell her
        Many a thing she ought to understand
        But how do you make her stay
        And listen to all you say
        How do you keep a wave upon the sand

        Oh, how do you solve a problem like Maria?
        How do you hold a moonbeam in your hand?

        When I'm with her I'm confused
        Out of focus and bemused
        And I never know exactly where I am
        Unpredictable as weather
        She's as flighty as a feather
        She's a darling! She's a demon! She's a lamb!

        She'd outpester any pest
        Drive a hornet from its nest
        She could throw a whirling dervish out of whirl
        She is gentle! She is wild!
        She's a riddle! She's a child!
        She's a headache! She's an angel!
        She's a girl!

        How do you solve a problem like Maria?
        How do you catch a cloud and pin it down?
        How do you find a word that means Maria?
        A flibbertijibbet! A will-o'-the wisp! A clown!

        Many a thing you know you'd like to tell her
        Many a thing she ought to understand
        But how do you make her stay
        And listen to all you say
        How do you keep a wave upon the sand

        Oh, how do you solve a problem like Maria?
        How do you hold a moonbeam in your hand?

        January 20. 2009 cannot come soon enough.

        by Crisis Corps Volunteer on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 07:28:53 PM PDT

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  •  The real issue (1+ / 0-)

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    Thanks for this. It's a refutation to Hitchens' snide remark that no one is calling for relaxing the ban on gays now that the Iraq war is going on.

    This issue is typically cast in false terms in public discussion, i.e., whether the military should allow gays to enlist.

    The situation is that military recruitment targets very young adults (mostly men)-- typically high-school graduate age (18 or so). Very few people have fully-formed sexual identities at that age.

    So, the question is not whether we should allow gay people into the military. It's whether we should harrass and expel the ones who do enlist despite the official discouragement.

    •  I've always wondered (0+ / 0-)

      Why sexual identity had to be an issue when enlisting.  I've had heated discussions with people who seriously believed that being homosexual was somehow morally inferior - as if a homosexual man was more likely to play the coward than a heterosexual man.  

      I believe we should eliminate any sort of reference to sexuality when recruiting for the military.  As you say, young adults usually aren't sure which way they swing - it's a bit unfair to ask them to define themselves so soon.

      If we were so concerned about sexuality, why in the world did we start allowing women to enlist?  It makes no sense...

      "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they kill, there would be no more wars." - Abbie Hoffman

      by Jensequitur on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 05:19:44 PM PDT

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  •  NU students today told the Army they were GAY (0+ / 0-)

    nope we won't take you

  •  Heard that two more (0+ / 0-)

    Farsi-fluent linguists were drummed out because they were gay...just as we're gearing up for war with Iran.

    Total stupidity...

    "Old soldiers never die -- they get young soldiers killed." -- Bill Maher

    by Cali Scribe on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 04:21:07 PM PDT

  •  Things were different... (0+ / 0-)

    ...during time of war.

    Robyn (gay and a veteran)

  •  Sigh (0+ / 0-)

    (As I have no interest in serving in the military - it's not for me - this ban does not affect me, even though I am gay.  That said...)

    This is fucking ridiculous.  All these linguists being kicked out for what?  FOR WHAT?

    Damnit!  When the hell are we ever going to move past this infantile stage of freaking out over homosexuality.  It's like they are stuck in the 5th grade mentality of "ewww, cooties."

    This country needs to wake up and realize that no matter how much they want to deny gay men and women their equal place - WE WILL NOT GO AWAY!  WE WILL NOT DISAPPEAR!  WE WILL NOT GO BACK INTO THE CLOSET JUST SO SOME FUCKING RIGHT-WING NUT JOB WON'T HAVE TO BE EXPOSED TO DIVERSITY!

    There is no reason for this.  If you want to serve, you should be able to service unless there is something PHYSICALLY WRONG that would prevent you.  Being gay is NOT something to deny someone over.

    I cannot wait for the day when I look back at these past few years with my kids and grandkids and they ask me how people could have been so STUPID as to allow such idiotic policies to become law.

    I honor that service, and I respect [McCain's] many accomplishments, even if he chooses to deny mine. Obama 6/3/08

    by AUBoy2007 on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 05:46:50 PM PDT

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