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GOP Big Lie For 2006 Elections: "We're Tough on Terror"

Sat Aug 26, 2006 at 08:16:39 PM PDT

I hate to be the one to rain on the Republican's parade, but the tough talk of the GOP on terrorism is bogus. The Republicans have done more to further the cause of international terrorism than any other group in the past 25 years, al Qaeda included.

They didn't call themselves the Taliban, in the early Eighties,  but the future Taliban was the same axis of Afghan Mujahiddin leadership that Bin Laden and al Qaeda fought on behalf of in the Afgahn war. The Reagan adminstration supported that exact same group of "freedom fighters."

During Reagan's 8 years in power, the CIA secretly sent millions of dollars of military aid to the mujahedeen in Afghanistan in a US-supported jihad against the Soviet Union. Since it was a covert operation the State Department and the CIA will catgorically denied it but nearly every reporter covering the war knew about the CIA presense in Tora Bora. I used to watch film of CIA operatives helicoptering in suitcases of American cash, Stinger missle launchers, and state of the art sniper rifles to the mujahideen on CBS News.

Journalist Amy Goodman wrote this during the pagentry of Reagan funeral:

Vice President Dick Cheney opened the 34-hour period of Reagan's lying in state by saying, "It was the vision and the will of Ronald Reagan that gave hope to the oppressed, shamed the oppressors and ended the evil empire."

What Cheney along with the corporate media failed to mention yesterday was the Reagan administration's role in financing, arming and training what was destined to become America's worst enemy in the Middle East and Asia.

During most of the 1980's, the CIA secretly sent billions of dollars of military aid to Afghanistan to support the mujahedeen - or holy warriors - against the Soviet Union, which had invaded in 1979.

The U.S.-supported jihad succeeded in driving out the Soviets but the Afghan factions allied to the US gave rise to the oppressive Taliban and Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda.

Steve Coll, Puliter Prize-winning journalist and managing editor of the Washington Post.  During the Eighties Coll was a correspondent who actually covered Bin Laden mujahideen jihadists during the Afghan War.

Here's part of what Mr. Coll said in a 2004 interview:

STEVE COLL:Well, it of course begins in 1979 when the Soviets invaded during the Carter administration, and it really swelled between 1981 and 1985. Essentially, under Bill Casey, the CIA created a three-part intelligence alliance to fund and arm the Mujahadeen, initially to harass Soviet occupation forces and eventually they embraced the goal of driving them out. The three-way alliance in each of the parties had a distinct role to play. The Saudi, their intelligence service primarily provided cash. Each year the congress would secretly allocate a certain amount of money to support the CIA's program. After that allocation was complete, the US Intelligence liaison would fly to Riyadh and the Saudis would write a matching check. The US role was to provide logistics and technological support as well as money. The Saudis collaborated with Pakistan's intelligence service, ISI, to really run the war on the front lines. It was the Pakistani army, in particular the ISI, that picked the political winners and losers in the jihad, and who favored radical Islamist factions because it suited the Pakistan's army goal of pacifying Afghanistan, a long-time unruly neighbor to the west, whose ethnic Pashtun nationalism the army feared.

It's interesting to go back and look at the public discourse about this. During the Reagan years in particular, it was a very superficial, certainly, Reagan often used the terminology of his, you know of freedom. These were freedom fighters. These were noble freedom fighters. I don't want to overstate this, but the Afghans were regarded with some distance almost as noble savages in some sort of a state of purity fighting for an abstract idea of freedom.

Journalist David M. Gibbs wrote this about the Reagan/al Qaeda connection:

Forgotten Coverage of Afghan "Freedom Fighters"
The villains of today's news were heroes in the '80s

The current war in Afghanistan is increasingly presented as a war for the human rights of the Afghan people, to liberate them from their oppressive Taliban rulers. The Taliban's severely regressive policies toward women have received particular attention, with even First Lady Laura Bush issuing condemnations of this repression. And the press has overwhelmingly followed suit, portraying the war as an ideological struggle against the evils of Islamic extremism.

But the U.S. government and the American press have not always opposed Afghan extremists. During the 1980s, the Mujahiddin guerrilla groups battling Soviet occupation had key features in common with the Taliban. In many ways, the Mujahiddin groups acted as an incubator for the later rise of the Taliban in the 1990s.

In an effort to augment the Mujahiddin forces, the U.S. encouraged the influx into Afghanistan of thousands of idealistic Muslims, eager to participate in the struggle, from countries throughout the Middle East.

One of the first of these expatriate Arabs was Osama bin Laden, who was "recruited by the CIA" in 1979, according to Le Monde (9/15/01). Bin Laden operated along the Pakistani border, where he used his vast family connections to raise money for the Mujahiddin; in doing so, he "worked in close association with U.S. agents," according to Jane's Intelligence Review (10/1/98).

British researcher Fred Halliday noted (London Guardian, 4/3/86): "The policies of the guerrillas are, despite some whitewashing by their friends abroad, those of Islamic fundamentalism." As early as 1980 (The Nation, 1/26/80), Halliday wrote that some of the Mujahiddin "make Khomeini look like a graduate student at MIT."

Alfred W. McCoy, wrote in The Politics of Heroin:

The Mujahiddin increasingly turned to drug trafficking as a means to finance their guerrilla operations, turning Afghanistan into a major world source of opium. Long a producer of opium poppies for local and regional consumption, Afghanistan began shipping large quantities to Pakistan for the production of heroin, which was then shipped throughout the world. As the Mujahiddin were the principal traffickers, the CIA sought to block investigations into this "Afghan connection.

Despite CIA denials of any direct Agency support for Bin Laden's activities, a considerable body of circumstantial evidence suggests the contrary. During the 1980s, Bin Laden's activities in Afghanistan closely paralleled those of the CIA. Bin Laden held accounts in the Bank for Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), the bank the CIA used to finance its own covert actions (London Daily Telegraph, 9/27/01). Bin Laden worked especially closely with Hekmatyar--the CIA's favored Mujahiddin commander (The Economist, 9/15/01). In 1989, the U.S. shipped high-powered sniper rifles to a Mujahiddin faction that included bin Laden, according to a former bin Laden aide (AP, 10/16/01).

Former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger would later comment about the Afghans (The Economist, 4/25/98):

We knew they were not very nice people.... We had this terrible problem of making choices."

I'm not a very nice person when I hear a statment like that coming from Cap Weinberger.(May God have mercy on his  soul, if he has one).

The choice that Weinberger and his colleagues made was, of course, to back the Mujahiddin, along with their Arab supporters, in spite of their records and ideologies. Predictably enough, the press strongly endorsed this policy and proceeded to praise the Mujahiddin groups.

PBS Reporter Jim Leher said this about bin Ladens Islamic Mujahiddin "freedom fighters in December 1985:

President Reagan's birthday message today was: the Soviets are using barbaric methods of war, and the United States still stands with the Afghan freedom fighters against them.

The anniversary word on the physical war itself is that it remains the same, only worse. The Muslim Mujahadeen guerrillas are backed by a reported $250 million in covert U.S. aid and double that from China and Saudi Arabia. Now they have more and better weapons to assault Soviet bases and convoys. The result from most accounts is stalemate and more casualties. A United Nations human rights report estimated more than a half-million Afghan civilians have died in the fighting.

What I find so reprehensible about the Republican's misrepresentation of themselves as anti-terrorist crusadersis that it makes a shameless attempt to edit out their own involvment with Bin Laden, by crimes of ommision. The GOP will never be held accountable for being the Dr. Frankenstien who created the Bin Laden monster. The Republicans even have the unmitgated gall to accuse the Democrats of being weak on terror and insinuating that they are giving aid and comfort to the enemy!

The Afghan war the central event that put Bin Laden on the international stage, and in the Eighties and early Nineties, Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr. and Dick Cheney were all running around praising Bin Laden, al Qaeda, and the Afghan Mujahiddin (the future Taliban) as "freedom fighters". And these are the guys that are supposed to be protecting us from Bin Laden?

Had it not been for the support of three Republican regimes in Washington,. Bin Laden would have remained an obscure character in a historcal footnote to the Afghan war.After leading the Saudi and Egyptian contingents of the Mujahiddin, during the Afghan, Bin Laden, by all accounts, was ready to call it quits and manage his father's extensive property holdings in Saudi Arabia. It was Operation Desert Storm that enraged Bin Laden, and after the United States military established permanent bases the Arabian Gulf Peninsula region,in the wake of the first Gulf War, Bin Laden declared fatwa.

 The Republican Party protecting me from terrorists? What a freakin' joke that is ! The GOP has done more to promote the cause of international terrorism than anyone I can image:

    * In the Eighties the Reagan/Bush regimes supported al Qaeda as "freedom fighters."

    * In the Nineties the elder Bush launched Operation Desert Storm and the American troops he left stationed in the Arabian Gulf Peninsula was the primary reason why Bin Laden declared fatwa on the United States.

    * Then in the 2000s,sonny boy Dubya comes along and mucks things up even worse by declaring a "war on terror."  In 1999 the last year of the Clinton administration there were 392 incidents of global terrorism, four years after Bush's declaration of the "war on terror, in 2005 there were 3200 incidents of international terrorism.

Do the math, chucklehead. Some war on terror, huh?

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  •  The GOP needs terror (4+ / 0-)

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    like plants need sunshine.

    That's why they constantly try to scare the crap out of people. They've positioned themselves very effectively as the tough party: while Dems are the sissy party of therapy, lattes and negotiations, the GOP is the party of shoot first and ask questions later.

    Only with a terrified poplace can the GOP hold on to power.

    No matter how far down the wrong road you've gone, turn back.

    by Joan in Seattle on Sat Aug 26, 2006 at 08:15:43 PM PDT

    •  1.5 Billlion $ a Week (3+ / 0-)

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      That is what we are spending every week in our war in Iraq.  Wouldn't it have been great if we could have spent that money on Katrina instead?    I just watched an interview on MSNBC with Tom Rice, author of "Fiasco," a book that I shall  definitely buy tomorrow.  "Fiasco" obvioulsy being our war in Iraq.  We are spending 1.5 Billion Dollars a week on a useless war.  A war that never made any sense.  All the war in Iraq meant was an opportunity for Bush to put on his crotch padded flightsuit.

      We were attacked on 9/12 by Al Queda.  Iraq had nothing to do with Al Queda.  Simply put, Bush got a hard on to whip some Arab ass and Iraq was the easiest target.  In the meanwhile we have pissed off the entire Arab world.  Don't even bother to tell me that you don't care about that.  You will care when our country is attacked again and, frankly, we have asked for it.  We are the 900 pound elephant in the room.  I am hopeful that the Democrats will at the very least take control of  congress in the 2006 elections.  I sure as hell hope that they will get us out of this mess.  I am  actually very hopeful as there are a whole lot of Dems runing in 2006 for congress who have  have actually served in the military; unlike the gutless repugs

      I do not know what weapons World War III will be fought with. World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. -- Albert Einstein

      by elveta on Sat Aug 26, 2006 at 08:34:11 PM PDT

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  •  Tip Jar (1+ / 0-)

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    Good job.  I LTE'd recently on the same theme, but didn't go into the depth of research you've shown.
    Two thumbs up.

    Got a problem with my posts? Quit reading them. They're usually opinions, and I don't come here to get in arguments.

    by drbloodaxe on Sat Aug 26, 2006 at 08:15:45 PM PDT

    •  And why do we need (0+ / 0-)

      to have tip jar comments?

      Any idea if the scoop coders might add a top level recommend without a separate comment?

      Got a problem with my posts? Quit reading them. They're usually opinions, and I don't come here to get in arguments.

      by drbloodaxe on Sat Aug 26, 2006 at 08:17:59 PM PDT

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  •  It's been nearly five years... (1+ / 0-)

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    since the anthrax attack in October 2001 and the Bush DOJ seems to have completely forgotten about the whole matter.  And the abject failure to capture the perpetrators in the greatest domestic terror attack since 9/11, quite apart from the idiotic decision to appease al Qaeda by ignoring them and invading the wrong country based on palpable lies, is yet another indication that the actual Republican record is abysmal when it comes to fighting "terror."

    The Republicans  can lie about it if they wish, but the track record reflects utter failure.

    "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

    by Viceroy on Sat Aug 26, 2006 at 08:19:02 PM PDT

    •  Abysmal at fighting terror? (0+ / 0-)

      I think this was meant to be more of a terror war.

      -- We are just regular people informed on issues

      by mike101 on Sat Aug 26, 2006 at 09:23:48 PM PDT

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      •  In the sense that people are terrified, (1+ / 0-)

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        the Bush's war on terror has been a huge success. He needs a new war to declare because terrorism is getting a bit passe...know what I mean?

        Maybe he can declare war on "negroes." That would scare people to death!

        Jesus Saves, but Beckham scores on the rebound!

        by Mr Populist on Sat Aug 26, 2006 at 09:30:30 PM PDT

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    •  That's another one of those incredible things. (1+ / 0-)

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      How on earth has the fact that Bush administration completely failed to solve the anthrax terror attack, if they even tried, been somehow forgotten?

      How blatant can it be that this WOT is bullcraaap?  If it weren't, the administration, the Congress, the press and the public would be screaming about the antrax terrorist.  

      But without anybody ever saying a word, we all somehow know that it's mostly a crock.  

      Or so it seems to me.

      The world dearly loves a cage.

      by epppie on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 11:45:21 PM PDT

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  •  Here's what we need to do (3+ / 0-)

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    Anytime you encounter a rethug supporter who says the republicans are tough on terror, ask for an example.  Have them name one thing that the Republican controlled House, the Republican controlled Senate, or the Republican controlled White House has done that is "tough on terror."  Because everything I can think of that they have done is either illegal, ineffective, or both.  How's that for a platform? How to break the law to catch terrorists and fail.

    Ask me (-7.88, -6.46) about Lamar Alexander.

    by Sidof79 on Sat Aug 26, 2006 at 08:27:38 PM PDT

  •  most excellent diary (1+ / 0-)

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    thank you for your hard work on this diary.

    (just a passing aside: by chance I mentioned Halliday in a comment I posted tonight elsewhere.)

  •  The Neocons have increased terrorism 10-fold, eh? (2+ / 0-)

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    Don't let them declare a "War on Homocide" in this country, or we'll increase homocide deaths to 100,000 per year inside the United States too!

    The Republicans are utterly incompetent in solving America's problems, both foreign and domestic.

    FAILURE...it is the GOP's trademark.  Just Google the word "FAILURE" and search using the "I'm feeling lucky" option on page 1 of Google's site.

    -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

    by sunbro on Sat Aug 26, 2006 at 08:36:53 PM PDT

    •  Maybe the neocons (4+ / 0-)

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      want more terrorism.   It's what justifies the massive spending on militarization and lubricates the military-industrial complex wonderfully.   It does for that complex today what Communism used to do for it.   Clinton's idea of a post-Cold War 'peace dividend' freaked these bastards out.

      Also, consider this:

      The Pentagon Plan to Foment Terrorism

      ...This column stands foursquare with the Honorable Donald H.  Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, when he warns that there will be more terrorist attacks against the American people and civilization
      at large. We know, as does the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, that this statement is an incontrovertible fact, a matter of scientific certainty. And how can we and the
      Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, be so sure that there will be more terrorist attacks against the American people and civilization at large?

      Because these attacks will be instigated at the order of the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense.

      This astonishing admission was buried deep in a story which was itself submerged by mounds of gray newsprint and glossy underwear ads in last Sunday's Los Angeles Times. There - in an article by military analyst William Arkin, detailing the vast expansion of the secret armies being massed by the former Nixon bureaucrat now lording it over the Pentagon - came the revelation of Rumsfeld's plan to
      create "a super-Intelligence Support Activity" that will "bring together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence, and cover and deception." According to a classified document prepared for Rumsfeld by his Defense Science Board, the new organization - the "Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG)" - will carry out secret missions designed to "stimulate reactions" among terrorist groups, provoking them into committing violent acts which would then expose them to "counterattack" by U.S. forces.

      In other words - and let's say this plainly, clearly and soberly, so that no one can mistake the intention of Rumsfeld's plan - the United States government is planning to use "cover and deception" and secret military operations to provoke murderous terrorist attacks on innocent people. Let's say it again: Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and the other members of the unelected regime in
      Washington plan to deliberately foment the murder of innocent people - your family, your friends, your lovers, you - in order to further their geopolitical ambitions
      .

      read in full...
      http://www.globaltruths.net/...

      Four more years of peace and prosperity---not

      by stunster on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:37:43 PM PDT

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      •  What they need to do is get a real job. nt (1+ / 0-)

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        The world dearly loves a cage.

        by epppie on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 12:00:26 AM PDT

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        •  If you hire a security guard, (2+ / 0-)

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          and he sets your building on fire, he is still incompetent and a failure at doing his job.  Whether he is just incompetent at stopping negative events or he causes those negative events, he must be fired.

          Well, we must fire the NeoCons.  Whether they planned this 9/11 nonsense or whether they were incompetent at stopping it, they still must be fired.

          Moreover, it is easier to convince voters that terror events happened on the NeoCons' watch due to incompetence and FAILURE, so this is the meme that should be used to stop the NeoCon madness.  This FAILURE label for the Republicans is accurate and can be used to good effect.

          I just want to throw these dangerous Republican bastards out of office.  In ANY case, these crooked GOP politicians are dangerous to the survival and well-being of the American people.

          -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

          by sunbro on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 12:41:38 AM PDT

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      •  Kennedy (0+ / 0-)

        Kennedy blocked the Project Northwood idea, which was exactly the same concept. It got him assassinated a short while later.

        The Prince of Peace has been usurped by the God of War.

        by Spoc42 on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 05:29:39 AM PDT

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    •  Power is their trademark. (1+ / 0-)

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      Ironically, failure can increase power for powerholders.  Peace and prosperity have a tendency to diffuse power.  War and terror tend to concentrate it.  The Pubs seem to want it concentrated.

      The world dearly loves a cage.

      by epppie on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 11:58:40 PM PDT

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  •  What an excellent diary! Wish I had seen it (0+ / 0-)

    earlier.

  •  Nothing you have mentioned (1+ / 0-)

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    is false, and the diary is a well-constructed narrative of what took place during that decade in Afghanistan.
    However, I find it unfortunate that you failed to place the actions of the Central Intelligence Agency on behalf of Reagan in the greater context of the period: the climax of the Cold War.
    It made perfect sense to fend of Soviet Imperialistic agression in a natural-resource rich country like Afghanistan, while limiting the spread of communism without using American life to do so. Now this sounds insensitive, and it is, but what other alternative did we have at the time? Surely we weren't going to send our military in. Nobody in Washington, Democrats or Republicans alike, could have predicted the velocity of fundamental Islam's rice during the 80's amidst the Cold War.

    •  Sure, let's argue the pros and cons (2+ / 0-)

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      of US sponsored terrorists, wherever they were in the Cold War (and I think we can all agree, they were all over the place).

      But that opens the door to looking at all terrorists in a different light, and no one makes that more obvious than Bin Laden.  Then he was our ally.  Now he is our enemy.  In his mind, it seems, he's been a freedom fighter the whole time.

      The world dearly loves a cage.

      by epppie on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 11:48:16 PM PDT

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  •  what i find amazing (2+ / 0-)

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    is that the GOP message that "Bill Clinton had Osama twice and let him go" or "Clinton's lack of response to the USS cole etc let the terrorists know they could have their way with us" has become a normalized and repeated talking point that American moderates and conservatives seem to agree on as an accepted fact, while what Reagan and Bush Sr. did in Afghanistan, Iran, and Iraq took the idea of terrorism against the west from an unknown idea to what we have today.
    Excellent diary.

  •  And Bin Laden hasn't been captured, of course. (1+ / 0-)

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    This is why. He knows too many embarrassing secrets about Cheney.

    "Surrendering and fearful: that's the face of the Democratic Party. It's how they show they're not weak." -- Glenn Greenwald

    by expatjourno on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 09:08:44 PM PDT

    •  You may just be right about that. (3+ / 0-)

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      expatjourno wrote:

      This is why. He knows too many embarrassing secrets about Cheney.

      I think the Bush administration wants Bin Laden dead or not at all. Can you imagine the amount of damage if he starts talking about his history with the CIA in a courtroom. Look at Bush's association with the elder Bin Laden for openers. You gotta wonder what skeletons in the Bush family closet he is capable of divulging. None of the Repbulicans who previously courted Bin Laden wants their ingnoble secrets revealed. For the Republicans, what's done at Tora Bora, should stay in Tora Bora.  
      Moderately Liberal Conservative wrote:

      It made perfect sense to fend of Soviet Imperialistic agression in a natural-resource rich country like Afghanistan, while limiting the spread of communism without using American life to do so. Now this sounds insensitive, and it is, but what other alternative did we have at the time? Surely we weren't going to send our military in. Nobody in Washington, Democrats or Republicans alike, could have predicted the velocity of fundamental Islam's rice during the 80's amidst the Cold War.

      It would appear that you are making your argument from a different political frame. Had Reagan let the Afghan war play out, without aiding and abetting the victory of the Mujahiddin guerrillas,  we may have had an entirely different set of circumstances in post-war, post-Soviet Afghanistan. Yugoslavia was the only other nation that had a rough transition once it was free from the Soviet bloc after the fall of the Soviet state. Who knows? Afghanistan may have embraced democracy like the Czech Republic, East Germany, or Poland, had it not been under the thumb of Islamic fundamentalists when the Soviet Union dissolved.

      That's the flaw of cold war mentality. Your karma often revisits you and bites you in the face. Wars by proxy are inherently a form of colonialism and emerging nations need to fight their own battles for democracy.

      If the Iraq social experiment by the neoconservatives has proven one thing it is; You can't impose democracy on a nation that doesn't want it. Iraq is still a fuedal state ruled by tribal families with private armies. Bringing democracy to Iraq may seem like a noble endeavor, but there is no instituional framework to support democracy in Iraq. Those institutions need to be built by the people of Iraq. We simply can't do the impossible for the people of Iraq.  

      Jesus Saves, but Beckham scores on the rebound!

      by Mr Populist on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 09:48:42 PM PDT

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      •  I agree with you on both counts (1+ / 0-)

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        Although I must say that it is no more likely that Afghanistan would have embraced democracy -- even without the islamic fundamentalists -- than Iraq is likely to. If anything, probably less likely.

        "Surrendering and fearful: that's the face of the Democratic Party. It's how they show they're not weak." -- Glenn Greenwald

        by expatjourno on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 12:48:38 AM PDT

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  •  Here's a little thought-experiment... (1+ / 0-)

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    Put yourself in the shoes of an Iranian who is contemplating the desire evident among neocons for bombing Iran and for fomenting MEK and other terrorist acts aimed at destabilizing Iran. Imagine an Iranian contemplating that prospect, and reminding himself of US support for the coup against Mossadegh, US decades-long support for the Shah and his torturers, US support for Saddam Hussein during his war against Iran, and reminding himself of how popular were Ike and Reagan, as presidents go, during the relevant years.

    Now imagine the level of rage and desire for retaliatory violence that would result in America if equivalent acts and policies had been inflicted on America by Iran. How safe would it then be for an Iranian to walk into a 7-11 in Kansas and ask, why do you hate us?

    By contrast, I'm sure any ordinary American visiting Iran today would be given a gracious welcome.

    Four more years of peace and prosperity---not

    by stunster on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:27:40 PM PDT

    •  Know your enemy. (0+ / 0-)

      Who knows - they might even turn out to not be as much your enemy as you thought.  Reportedly, there were a lot of young people in Iran disposed to like the US - that might come back if we stopped the hostile arm and bayonet waving.

      The world dearly loves a cage.

      by epppie on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 11:51:26 PM PDT

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      •  I agree... (0+ / 0-)

        Iran is not playing their hand of cards very well. If they took the UN deal offered, BushRumCheneyCon, wouldn't know what to do - for they would then be on the spot to capitulate - something they don't want to do... They would rather put us into another war before their tenure is over and bury the next administration. Iran should take a lesson from Japan over how they came out after WWII by playing along with our game and flourishing by their positive efforts in the end.  Iran has much to gain by ceasing their rhetoric - especially against Israel and US – if they don’t then they have everything to lose.

  •  Interesting, but... (1+ / 0-)

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    We funded and supported people who were willing to fight our common enemy, the Soviet Union.  Those fighters turned out to be Isalmic Extremists (who, according to another lucid diary, isn't so far from Christian Extremists).  Those Islamic Extremists end up going after America.

    I'm not certain that we can then say Republicans are promoting the cause of terrorism.  

    That said, we are clearly focused on Iraq and are NOT focused on terrorism.  In fact, we are far weaker because of our involvement in Iraq.  That is hole in the claim of "tough on terror".  The GOP is good at spin, but it is not good on the war on terror.

    •  I think one can very well say (1+ / 0-)

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      that the US exported terror for years during the Cold War.  I think a lot of that is blowing back right now.  In a sense, they are simply doing what we taught them to do.

      The world dearly loves a cage.

      by epppie on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 11:53:24 PM PDT

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  •  Amazing (0+ / 0-)

    Someone should do a diary on that issue. I've always thought that some of the hard edged statments from the White House were provocative to terrorists but deliberately attempting to engineer an attack is a different matter altogether.

    Bush claims his number one priority is keeping Americans safe, but P2OG agenda is to get Americans killed. For the White House and neoconservatives,human lives are pawns on a chess table to be sacraficed for the convenience of the rich.  

    I'm speechless...I re can't summons the words to express how despicable Bush is.

    Jesus Saves, but Beckham scores on the rebound!

    by Mr Populist on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 11:56:46 PM PDT

  •  Caught this from the Rescue list ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... thanks!

    Two war crimes make 'the right', not 'a right'. Defeat the liar John McCain.

    by Yellow Canary on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 03:38:07 AM PDT

  •  new threat chart (0+ / 0-)

    D-Day, the newest blog on the internet (at the moment of its launch)

    by dday on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 10:26:44 AM PDT

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