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MI-Dems: We Just Had an Interesting State Convention

Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:18:48 PM PDT

I spent most of the weekend in Detroit at the Michigan Democratic State Convention and the rest of it catching up on lost sleep.

In a nutshell, parties hold conventions in August because our state constitution requires them to nominate candidates for the following 13 offices:

Three statewide offices: Lieutenant Governor, Attorney General, and Secretary of State; and

Two seats for each of the Supreme Court of Michigan, the University of Michigan Board of Regents, the Michigan State University Board of Trustees, the Wayne State University Board of Governors, and the State Board of Education.

I have no idea why the 1963 Constitutional Convention came up with this Rube Goldberg contraption, but that's what we have to work with.

Most of the time, the party elders draw up a slate of candidates before the convention, and the delegates rubber-stamp them by acclamation. But Michigan Democrats had not just one, but two, floor fights over statewide issues.

The first was over the Attorney General nomination. The establishment favorite was M. Scott Bowen, a former district judge from Grand Rapids with a solid resume and fund-raising ability, and who stepped down from the bench in the expectation that he'd get the nomination. However, a Detroit attorney named Amos Williams with quite a story to tell--decorated Vietnam veteran, former Detroit police officer, and now a trial lawyer--had other ideas. He worked the state for months and picked up endorsements from county and district organizations.

By the time the convention opened, the labor leaders who largely call the shots counted noses, realized that Williams was in the lead, and put him on their slate. Bowen, however, decided to stay in the race--he had nothing to lose, really--and we had a roll call vote. Roll calls are rare, and the people who ran the convention seemingly didn't anticipate one. The hundreds of extra delegates who showed up for Sunday's vote filled the hall almost to capacity, and the 15 congressional districts were forced to hold impromptu caucuses on the floor itself. The party also has a proportional voting system, which produced strange vote totals like 195.2 to 6.87. By my unofficial count, Williams was ahead, 1,750 to 398, when Bowen stepped up to the podium and moved to make the nomination unanimous.

The Williams-Bowen race created a domino effect on the Secretary of State race. Mary Waters, a term-limited state representative from Detroit, expected to be the nominee, but both she and Williams are African Americans and the party establishment threw its support behind Carmella Sarbaugh, the Macomb County Clerk. Waters refused to drop out, and there was another roll call. The vote was almost as lopsided as that for AG--I had Sabaugh in front, 1,991 to 542--and was followed immediately by the traditional end-of-convention unity tableau.

A few observations about the convention:

The outcome of the AG race was a surprise, but it wasn't a real case of "crashing the gate." Michigan didn't experience a big invasion of newcomers in the 2006 primary, and any effort to remake the state party will take several election cycles.

The stereotypical delegate is still a white, middle-aged man or woman who carries a union card. There were a considerable number of African Americans but not many Asian Americans, Latinos, and Arab and Muslim Americans. Notably lacking: young people. That might be because state conventions are usually scripted, run by party lifers, and two days of political inside baseball.

Despite the dominance of old-timers, most of the delegates seemed adamantly opposed to the Iraq war and in favor of single-payer health care and a woman's right to choose (many delegates found Bowen, a self-described "pro-lifer," unacceptable for that reason).

The star of the convention was Governor Jennifer Granholm. The Republicans attacked her as a "failed actress" (and for having been born in Canada!), but she's a dynamic speaker and first-rate campaigner. In her speech to the convention on Saturday, she read off an A-to-Z list of companies that have come to Michigan or expanded--more than 50 in all--and brought the delegates to their feet.

Does any other state have two talk-show hosts running for the U.S. House? In my district, Tony Trupiano is taking on dweeby rock-star wannabee who sponsors extreme legislation Congressman Thaddeus McCotter, and in the 9th District, Nancy Skinner is challenging Congressman Joe Knollenberg.

Best quotes of the weekend:

"Look around you. This is the world according to Republican values."--Senator Debbie Stabenow.

"Dick DeVos and George W. Bush are two peas in a diamond-studded pond."--Governor Granholm.

"It's a great time to be in Detroit. The Tigers are the best team in baseball and the Lions are still undefeated in regular season play."--Senator Carl Levin.

"We will fight for economic policies that lift all boats, not just the yachts."--Senator Levin.

"I don't care if you don't like me."--Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

"I had a dream that I can count."--Scott Bowen.

"We're done playing defense, folks."--Tony Trupiano.

"I'll give the governor an Attorney General who will guard her flanks and watch her back instead of lusting after her seat."--Amos Williams.

Here's a link to Sharon RB's photo album from the convention, and a link to the Quicktime version of Governor Granholm's speech to the convention.

Tags: Michigan, 2006 elections, Democratic Party, state convention, Amos Williams, Carmella Sabaugh, Scott Bowen, Mary Waters (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  Where's your tip jar to "Dump" 4's? (7+ / 0-)

        Everyone needs one, cf. Depression-era song, "Brother can you spare a 4..."

  •  Love the Lions joke.... (6+ / 0-)

    so sad, so true.

    You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

    by murrayewv on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:13:10 PM PDT

  •  Dick DeVos (2+ / 0-)

    and who are two peas in a pod? Or did I miss a joke?

    Insight into change teaches us hope. No matter how bad the situation, anything is possible. - Buddha

    by zenbowl on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:17:01 PM PDT

  •  You had Waters in front (2+ / 0-)

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    by that kind of margin and she still didn't win?  I thought Sabaugh won by consensus?  

    A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

    by dougymi on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:18:57 PM PDT

    •  Jeepers! Sabaugh was ahead (1+ / 0-)

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      The entire roll got called, but the chair never announced the final vote total. As I said, the people who ran the convention expected the floor fight to go away.

      Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:23:05 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks as always (1+ / 0-)

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    Couple possible corrections:

    Isn't it Sarbaugh, not Waters, on the SOS vote count? and
    Devos and Bush, two peas in a pod?

    And come on, Kwame didn't really say that.  Did he?

    •  I've made the corrections (0+ / 0-)

      Thanks to all who did a better job of editing than yours truly. And yes, Kwame did say that. He went on to say that even if you don't like me, work for the ticket anyway. Speaking of the mayor, he found Waters unacceptable and, as a result, Sarbaugh carried both Detroit districts.

      Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:25:05 PM PDT

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  •  They attacked Jennifer Granholm (7+ / 0-)

    for being born in Canada???  When the Gropenator is their poster child?????

    I've actually heard that Jennifer makes a better case for allowing foreign-born citizens to become president.  

    Never give up! Never surrender!

    by oscarsmom on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:28:35 PM PDT

  •  Nice job!! But what I missed!!! (4+ / 0-)

    Could only make it for Saturday, couldn't attend on Sunday - but it sounds like all the real action happened on Sunday, doggone it!

    I was worried about the voting; 4th District was going to be thin on attendees, wasn't certain how it would all play out with Williams-Bowen.  But it looks like it took care of itself.

    Thanks for the link to Sharonrb's pics; I didn't take enough, left it to my kids who didn't realize they needed to take more.  And good to see you at the Bloggers' Caucus, too, look forward to seeing you at the next one!

    •  Glad I saw you, Rayne (2+ / 0-)

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      And keep up the good work on the blogs!

      Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:45:35 PM PDT

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    •  My notes say (5+ / 0-)

      The fourth voted 136-26 for Amos.

      Of course, those of us in the last to be called 15h district (as well as those in the 14th and 2nd) never got to figure out how their caucuses had voted.

      One interesting thing though--my CD includes the heart of the UAW, Region 1A. But there weren't a huge number of UAW members in our caucus (though I think my county folks showed up early and took the seats up front, so maybe they were behind me).

      I also think one untold story of this election may be the rising star of Jimmy Settles, UAW VP. I have reason to believe that he had given Amos strong support by late June, as well as the indication that Amos had an excellent shot at the UAW nod.

      Which leads me to believe Kwame wasn't twisting any arms at UAW. He didn't have to--Settles was doing the twisting (if necessary) himself. Settles is a Kwame ally, so the press (which had been sleeping while Amos worked hard) just assumed it was Kwame himself who made the call. But I have a strong feeling Amos' ties into the UAW were more direct.

      This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

      by emptywheel on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:45:44 PM PDT

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      •  Jimmy is a good man (3+ / 0-)

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        He's going to make a difference on the bargaining committee, as well as in Michigan Democratic politics.  He's a very strong leader. I hope Kwame listens to him in the future.

        A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

        by dougymi on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:55:34 PM PDT

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        •  I'd love to hear more about him (2+ / 0-)

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          My impression about his influence on the Amos battle comes from a couple of conversations and one event at which Amos and I attended and Settles spoke (Bowen was absent). So I know little about him besides what I learned in context of the race.

          Actually, I'm sure he has been actively involved in past CD conventions when he was at 1A, but I didn't have much grasp of UAW structure at that point.

          But Settles sure spoke well (and it has been suggested that at this point, Settles can have more influence on Detroit turnout than Kwame).

          In any case, I'd sure appreciate (as I'm sure the rest of the Michiganders, who might not follow UAW politics that closely) some more background.

          This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

          by emptywheel on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 08:01:03 PM PDT

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          •  He was head of district 1a (3+ / 0-)

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            and now he's the Veep of the MISC part of the UAW (american axle, Johnson controls, various aerospace industry, ag implements etc.). He's been international since 92 I believe. He worked with a good friend of mine there on the safety committee before he died.  A very competent researcher, I was told.  He was elected in 2002 to 1A which is big in the UAW.  He can work backroom and frontroom both.  He's a very dynamic and hands on negotiator from people I know who are still there.  I didn't go to the convention this year, but he spoke at the last one I went to and he was a dynamite speaker.  I hope with Kwame, he'll be more of a mentor, something Kwame sorely needed in his first term. I think we'll need Kwame too. He's still got the name and the image in Detroit to get out the vote.

            A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

            by dougymi on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 08:17:27 PM PDT

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      •  Our district voted 146.1-18.9 for Williams (2+ / 0-)

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        That's the 11th District (western Wayne and Oakland Counties). It has a heavy labor presence and is the home of Ron Gettelfinger, the had of the UAW.

        Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

        by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:57:04 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks, EW. (0+ / 0-)

        Tied up with contract work today, couldn't follow up with the county chair to find out how it went.

        Sounds like the 4th ended up mirroring much of the rest of the state after all.

    •  How did the politicos (2+ / 0-)

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      respond to the bloggers caucus?   Were they there to listen and pay attention to the netroots?  Or just give lip service and expect support.  I'm curious how that came across.

      A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

      by dougymi on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:48:09 PM PDT

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      •  Superbly (6+ / 0-)

        Granholm and Stabenow made us their first or second visit (yup, our Governor was lined up behind our Senator to visit us). And Granholm (who admitted to being a MI Liberal lurker) made a point to check everyone's handles, so she could put a face to a handle. And then she pitched MI Liberal at (as far as I could tell) every CD caucus. Granholm gets it.

        This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

        by emptywheel on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:54:04 PM PDT

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      •  It varied, but was good overall... (8+ / 0-)

        Sen. Debbie Stabenow was actually the first one to show up at the bloggers caucus; she gave a brief speech, hung around long enough for a photo op with the Guv (who showed up a few minutes later), but I don't think she really "gets" the netroots. I could be wrong about this, that was just my impression. Nothing wrong with that as long as she isn't opposed to us either, which she isn't (she actually has an excellent internet outreach coordinator).

        Granholm DEFINITELY "gets" the netroots/blogosphere--she hung around long enough to chit-chat with several of us, got to know us by both our online handles and real names, confessed to being a lurker over at MichLib and proved it by making several references to a couple of specific threads (in particular, there was one attendee who has apparently been ripping on her husband quite a bit over something or another--she shook his hand and said "all is forgiven" or words to that effect).

        She also made certain to ask how to pronounce my (real) last name (written on my nametag) instead of bungling it, which is what usually happens. Very classy, thoughtful touch.

        The rest of the visitors were mostly state rep or U.S. House candidates, including my own (Nancy Skinner) as well as Jim Marcinkowski, the former CIA agent and classmate of Valerie Plame, running in the next district over.

        I have some poor-quality pics of the various blogger visitors as well as some other convention photos.

        •  Debbie gets it, just not a "user" (1+ / 0-)

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          I don't know for certain, but based on my conversations with Debbie's internet outreach and other staffers, they are very "wired" and get it.  I think that they keep Debbie very informed about the "toobz" even if Debbie is not highly wired.  That makes up for a lot; I know if I could rely on wired and competent staff to keep me on top of my game, I'd willingly spend less time on the toobz to spend time with folks that are my clients and constituents.

          •  Glad to hear it... (0+ / 0-)

            I didn't mean it as an insult; for instance, Jim Marcinkowski freely admitted that he isn't really "in the loop" in terms of the web, blogs, etc--but that's ok. Not every candidate has to be a webhead, as long as they at least grasp its' importance and basic philosophy, and, as you noted, have a few people on staff who get it whole-heartedly.

    •  Actually (5+ / 0-)

      The best part was the parades--Bowen came in in a parade (and all of a sudden, the whole 2nd CD was lit up with his signs). Then Amos came into a parade. And when people spoke, the supporters basically mobbed the stage. It was colorful and exuberant, what politics ought to be. And I've said before, Bowen was very graceful in his concession, and stood on stage with Amos' family for the acceptance speech.

      And Amos' daughter was just short of bawling, listening to her Dad call for the defense of what's right. It was a good time to be a 15th CD member (even if we never learned how our vote came out), because it meant I had fourth row seats.

      This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

      by emptywheel on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:50:30 PM PDT

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      •  Drama at a convention? I love it (3+ / 0-)

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        I must admit, I'm a convention junkie. I'll even tune in a provincial leadership convention on CBC if there's a real contest going on. In fact, I'm thinking of asking the Liberal Party of Canada for press credentials to their convention the week after U.S. Thanksgiving. There are something like 10 candidates, and most observers think it will take several ballots to choose a leader.

        Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

        by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 08:02:51 PM PDT

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        •  Oh, do!!! Love to hear about it!! (0+ / 0-)

          I'm afraid I don't know enough about your background, whether you're a journo already, forgive my ignorance.  But if you're not, maybe you could get credentials as a representative of ePluribus Media and do a story for both ePM and DailyKos?!  I think it would be fascinating!

  •  I posted my own summary & photo links... (4+ / 0-)

    ...over at Michigan Liberal, but here it is again for anyone interested:

    Well, first, here's my pics from the convention--forgive the lousy quality, I forgot my camera the first day (had to use a first-generation camera phone):

    Overall, it was strange and chaotic and interesting and dull and exciting and pretty cool in general.

    I attended the state convention a couple of years ago, but that was just as an observer and I didn't really get involved in anything. This time I was an actual delegate, and got to participate in not one, but two actual "floor fights!"
    Brainwrap :: My Convention Photos & a Few Stray Thoughts...
    Granted, neither one turned out to be close, but it didn't look that way beforehand (at least in the Williams/Bowen battle, anyway).

    Question: was I the only one who found it interesting that the introduction to the video messages by Bayh, Biden, Richardson and Kerry stated point-blank that these were "Democratic candidates for President in 2008"? I thought no one had formally announced yet?

    Question two: I guess I understood the marching band kids preceding Sen. Stabenow on Saturday, but who the heck was the guy with the accordian following around after Carmella Sabaugh?

    Question three: anyone know who swiped my MDP/C-Span bag right at the end of the convention? Nothing valuable in it (mostly pamphlets & stuff), but I liked the bag...ah well...

    Question four: What the HELL was the deal with the Lyndon LaRouche Tabernacle Choir??? Does anyone have a clue where this nutcase gets his money from? Hasn't he been running for President every term for like the past 40 years or something? Sheesh.

    Anyway, I had a great time overall, and it was great to meet so many Michigan bloggers!

    •  What's up with the LaRouchies? (1+ / 0-)

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      Two of them were from our district (Northville, I believe) and had that cult-follower look. At the end of the convention, I saw several people carrying in thousands of LaRouche magazines to hand out to the teachers who were in Cobo to vote on the school board's contract offer.

      Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:59:50 PM PDT

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  •  I like these people (7+ / 0-)

    An Attorney General nominee who seems like a genuinely nice guy (unlike the creepiest of creeps, Mike Cox), a governor who unabashedly makes fun of the president, and (gasp!) Carl Levin actually has a sense of humor! Even Kwame sort of redeemed himself. I wish I could've gone to the convention, but I'm disabled and Cobo is just not an option for me.

    "Sometimes goodbye's the only way."--Linkin Park

    by PerfectStormer on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 07:59:59 PM PDT

    •  Amos (2+ / 0-)

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      I was at an event with Amos the Sunday before the Convention. I think over the course of running, he had developed a real affinity for the Deaniacs. So even though he knew some of us as Dean people (he had been to DFA events twice in order to get the endorsement), he made a point of asking who the Dean people were.

      This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

      by emptywheel on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 08:03:44 PM PDT

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    •  Both Bowen and Williams hammered Cox (4+ / 0-)

      They called him "mean little Mikey Cox." Williams also called the Republican legislators "trash that John Engler left behind." And he promised that this year, Democrats are going to come out fighting.

      Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 08:04:22 PM PDT

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      •  Does (2+ / 0-)

        Amos have a chance of winning.  I think Bowen had the better shot.  

        •  Depends (2+ / 0-)

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          If he runs a campaign with some cojones and actually points out what a crook and a liar Cox is, then he's a shoo-in. If he takes his cues from the Kerry campaign and pussyfoots around, it's 4 more years of Cox.

          "Sometimes goodbye's the only way."--Linkin Park

          by PerfectStormer on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 08:30:48 PM PDT

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        •  Polls showed that Bowen would run better (1+ / 0-)

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          However, both Bowen and Williams had very low name recognition in that poll, so I'm not sure how much more electable Bowen is.

          Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

          by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 08:31:57 PM PDT

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        •  If he can raise money (2+ / 0-)

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          He can win it.

          The biggest difference between Amos and Bowen was how intelligently Amos campaigned. While Bowen spent a lot on robocalls and two prominently placed billboards, Amos did precisely what he needed to do, get face time with the people who could support him at the convention. In my county and CD, he showed up twice to get the DFA endorsement, at one or more county meeting, our annual dinner, and two canvasses (one with a house party) the week before the convention. Plus, Amos showed up at the events in CD15 that mattered. I saw Bowen at none of these events.

          In short, it was a ton of hard work, but Amos didn't spend a cent that wasn't targeted toward winning delegates, but by doing it he won key counties in SE MI (which has the most delegates) and committed support among delegates.

          I know polls showed BOwen doing far better against Cox, but neither candidate had decent name recognition. Bowen's was 10 points higher, probably based on:

          1. his greater press coverage due to Granholm's early support
          1. his choice of advertising--particularly the billboards that would be great for the general, but a waste of money for the convention

          FOr the rest of the poll respondants, though, the decision was based on the bio done by the pollster, which didn't include several key aspects of Amos' bio (his decorations in Vietnam and his choice position being just two).

          He really really needs to start telling his story. But I canvassed with him, and saw him get three Republicans in a row to consider him, followed by getting a promise from a low-turnout voter that she would show up to the polls to vote.

          He needs money. But as I understand it, his donors included more of the kinds of people who give money to Democrats (Bowen's included a bunch of family members maxed out and his $450,000 self-funding). So if he can get them to give in big amounts now, then he can do it.

          He certainly proved he campaigns smartly. He certainly proved he will fight for this. Now it's just a matter of raising his name recognition.

          This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

          by emptywheel on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 08:41:43 PM PDT

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          •  The Good the Bad the Ugly of Bowen's Campaign (3+ / 0-)

            Bowen's biggest mistake (call this the Bad or the Ugly) was that he thought he was "annointed", that the deal was basically done.  As a result he did not get out early, nor as emptywheel and others have noted, personally on the campaign trail.  After the February convention, several in Kent County upbraided him for that.

            On the Good side, I think Williams could take a clue from the clarity with which Bowen articulated the reasons to change the AG.  I missed this in the build up to the convention, but thankfully heard it in the acceptance speech.  There are some strong powerful talkingpoints here that need to be hit on again and again: Mike Cox has failed in his duties to the State and its citizens.

            That said, I look forward to welcome Mr. Williams to our side of the state in the days ahead.

            •  A good point (1+ / 0-)

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              While some of the times I saw Amos before Sunday he very clearly articulated a message, some of the times, he was less clear. (I even got my non-political husband out to meet Amos because I figured he's such a non-politician mr. emptywheel would appreciate it--only it happened to be Amos' least strong speech; though mr. emptywheel got to meet the original Amos (Amos' dad), and quite enjoyed that.)

              That said, a local pol who was an early and loud Amos supporter was pushing him on just that issue, in the week before the convention. So I suspect he's hearing just your point.

              This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

              by emptywheel on Tue Aug 29, 2006 at 08:56:20 AM PDT

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    •  How? (1+ / 0-)

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      Even Kwame sort of redeemed himself

       I wasn't there and must of missed it here.  I think he is worse than Coleman Young. Detroit desperately needs leaders instead of a self-serving politicians.

      Republicans still don't have 60 votes, and it doesn't seem to bother them one bit.

      by dkmich on Tue Aug 29, 2006 at 03:10:11 AM PDT

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  •  Wrong side of the State (2+ / 0-)

    All the dem action is always on the opposite side of the state from me ( I'm in G.R.) so thanks for the info.

    "Imagine all the people, Living life in peace..." -John Lennon

    by angrybird on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 08:31:35 PM PDT

  •  Love Levin's Yacht Quote. All Dems should use it. (4+ / 0-)

    "We will fight for economic policies that lift all boats, not just the yachts."--Senator Levin.

  •  was my friend there? (2+ / 0-)

    Larry Kestenbaum, Clerk/Register of Deeds in Washtenaw County, proprietor of The Political Graveyard, and blogger, is an old friend of mine.  I don't know for sure that he would have been at the MDP convention, but he is a "party insider" and an elected official.

    Nor do I know which side of the floor fights he might have been on if he attended, so if he was supporting those you don't like, don't take it out on me.

    If you know Larry, say hello to him for me.

    The way to win is not to move to the right wing; the way to win is to move to the right policy. -- Nameless Soldier

    by N in Seattle on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 09:06:22 PM PDT

  •  fun time (1+ / 0-)

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    Sure was great meeting everyone!

    But you left out my favorite Granholm quote:

    "You may not have a lobbyist with a fancy suit. But you don't need one. You have me!"

    I'm proud to work for Gary Peters, because Joe Knollenberg is out of touch.

    by Jordan LFW on Tue Aug 29, 2006 at 07:43:33 AM PDT

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