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Going Buddhist, not Medieval, on Lieberman

Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 05:47:08 AM PDT

My first reaction to Lieberman's obnoxious concession speech was anger: This bastard really thinks it's all about him!  Screw Connecticut Democrats!  Screw the need to turn attention from a safe seat and help our many outstanding Democratic challengers across the country!  It's about me, me, me!

And being a bit self-righteous, I wanted us all to get in Joe's face, call him names, and shame him into accepting yesterday's results.  Not surprisingly, I was taken aback and put off when I heard Jim Dean on C-SPAN deflect a question about Joe's Indy bid . . . until I got to thinking about the Buddhist principle of skillful means.

I don't know Jim Dean, but I sure as hell respect what he does for DFA, and I adore his big brother.  If Jim Dean is avoiding any outright declarations that Joe must drop his bid, that good Democrats accept the will of Democratic voters, that they act in the best interests of their party instead of themselves, then there must be a reason.

And then it hit me: We here at dKos typically ignore the fact that honey is sweeter than vinegar, at least when it comes to telling politicians what we think.  But Washington works differently--often in ways we rightly despise, but also in ways that still get the desired result.

If Jim Dean, and Howard, and other high-powered Democrats came out swinging at Joe, poor old Joe would be publicly shamed.  He'd see in print all kinds of people imputing his integrity (hm, this shoe seems to fit nicely!).  He'd hear people suggesting that 18 years of service count for nothing if he doesn't make the right decision now.  And if he did decide to forgo his Indy bid, it would appear to the world that he did so under pressure--that he was shamed into acting rightly.

Given that scenario, he might just decide to fuck everybody.

I think it may take more skillful means to get what we want here.  My ignorance about Buddhism runs deep, but my far better half is well-versed in Buddhist ethics, so I hope I'm not too far off the mark in this explanation.  Let me start with a story:  A teacher in an elementary school is in the middle of a lesson when the principal knocks on the door.  "We just received a warning that there may be a bomb in the cafeteria!  We can't ring the fire alarm because too many classes are routed through that area of the school, but you need to get your students out of the building as quickly and safely as you can!  And don't panic!!"  The teacher turns to her class, smiles sweetly, and says, "Class, would you like some candy?  If you will all line up and walk quietly to the front steps, I will give you each a nice piece of candy!"

In other words, the teacher lied.  To innocent children.  But she got the job done, and the children, instead of being scared out of their wits, thought they'd played a fun little game and gotten some candy.  That's basically what skillful means is all about: Getting the desired result in the most efficacious manner, without hurting others.

So, while at first I wanted every Democrat not only to endorse Lamont but to call on Joe to give up, I now see the merit in a gentler approach.  By all means, you Democratic politicians, declare your support for the will of Connecticut Democrats.  Endorse Ned Lamont.  And when asked in front of the cameras or the microphones about Joe's intention to run as a third-party candidate, go ahead and dodge the question.  Say that Joe has to make that decision himself.  Praise his 18 years of principled leadership in the Senate.  Offer encomiums.  Call him honorable.  Show the country and the world that our elected Democrats support Ned Lamont but also believe Joe Lieberman to be one hell of a great guy.  

And when, in a few days, Lieberman announces that he has decided to withdraw from the race, he'll be able to demonstrate just how right you all are about his integrity and honor and commitment to the party.

(Oh, and when the cameras and the mics aren't around, turn those freaking thumb screws!)

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  •  Where has the kind and gentle approach gotten us? (1+ / 0-)

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    YetiMonk

    While I see the logic that Dean is taking where the hell has the "kind and gentle" approach gotten Democrats in the last 6 years??  As many have written over the past few days, this is all about partisanship and we should hammer Lieberman and anyone who chooses to support his sorry ass.  Its time to lay down the gauntlet and start fighting instead of taking the "high road"...frankly I'm sick and tired of taking the high road and getting our asses kicked routinely.

    Peace,
    Mak

    •  I feel ya (2+ / 0-)

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      under the bodhi tree, makome

      But at the same time, aren't you putting your need to kick ass and relieve anger ahead of other possibilities to get things done?  You don't have to be a Tai Chi master to know that sometimes rolling a little to the side and giving a gentle push is all you need to do to send the adversary to the mat.  

      Because for Zen surrealism, you can't beat living in the Bible Belt...

      by salvador dalai llama on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 05:54:17 AM PDT

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      •  Hear ya (0+ / 0-)

        I completely understand...that would be the rational approach.  However, I'm so sick of getting the sand kicked in my face by these jerks in power that it would feel good to get in Lieberlosers face and tell him to SIT DOWN AND STFU!  

        •  re:I Hear You, Too (0+ / 0-)

          Mak!  Walking my dogs late last night, I spent the whole time fantasizing about what I would say if I found myself face-to-face with Lieberman.  It was deeply satisfying.

          And it may be that the time will come--before long--for Democrats to demonstrate publicly that their patience with Joe is running out.  You know, hints from Harry Reid that renegade Democrats cannot count on all of the perks and perquisites that typically come with eighteen years' seniority in the Senate.

          And, for what it's worth, 52% of the voters of Connecticut have already told Joe to sit down and STFU.  We heard 'em.  Everybody heard 'em.  Wasn't it grand?

      •  Let Dean and Lieberman's (1+ / 0-)

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        colleagues use the skillful means on him. Surely someone in the pharma industry will offer him a cushy high-paying job. Back here on the ranch we need to shame Joe into making the right decision and retiring. I'm advocating a 2 prong strategy.

    •  This is different (2+ / 0-)

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      Heiuan, Mary Mike

      In letters I have suggested to Senator Lieberman that there are a lot of options open to him, a lot of chances for service in other arenas.  I agree with the thrust of this diary.  Back a person into a corner and they are very likely to get their backs up and resist just as a defensive reaction.

      Flaming someone does not win hearts and minds.

      Lieberman may no longer be your cup of tea, but he does serve a recognizable constituency.  Anyone who got 48+ percent of the Democratic Party votes in CT is someone who has supporters, who also do not wish to be villified.  Lamont is comporting himself, generally, about as well as could be asked for.  The GOP candidate seems a bit of a tarnished vessel, so if Lieberman decides not to run as an independent the election is pretty much a Lamont shoe-in.  With Lieberman in the race, who can say?  I am inclined to think that Lamont's demeanor will help ease Lieberman out of the race and on to another phase of his life, but let's face it, this was a close election.  Lamont no more has a "mandate" than George Bush did in 2004, and we know what happened after Bush tried to cash in that mandate, right?  Nope, this is all about local politics, about reaching out to Lieberman supporters, about representing the concerns and needs of all Connecticut voters.  Importantly, strident voices ought not to be the story.  Moving on with dignity and without delay should be the order of the day.  

      Or, everyone could go out and run victory laps and talk about how relevant they are, making the story about them, instead of about Lamont and about Connecticut.  Lamont made a lot of his own luck by being who he is.  A weaker candidate, frankly, a dumber candidate, would have been roadkill, but Lamont proved himself to be smart, calm, engagingly low-key and able to handle a tough interview.  Watch his appearance on the Colbert Report and you'll see all of those qualities at play.  I agree, honey is a lot more likely to work than waving a club and talking smack.

  •  I was thinking going all Dark Gods on him... (2+ / 0-)

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    Myself, but they came back and said he already had a presigned contract that they had to honor.
    Oh and the Dark Lord Rove sends his regards. :P

    It is this simple. Vote Republican- Iraq is Forever. Vote Democratic- Iraq is history.

    by RElland on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 05:56:01 AM PDT

  •  First the honey (4+ / 0-)

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    by foot, makome, Mr Bula, TDW

    Then, if need be, the stick.

    God bless America. God bless our troops.
    God damn George Bush to the fires of eternal damnation.

    by Bill Rehm on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 05:59:06 AM PDT

    •  agreed. (1+ / 0-)

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      Heiuan

      Like him or not, Sen. Lieberman has served his country (I say that in a formal sense rather than as a value judgment) for 18 years as a U.S. Senator, and has a long record of public service before that.

      To the extent possible, he should be given the opportunity for a graceful exit that allows for some to publicly appreciate that time of service.  Sort of a positive incentive.

      It's time to get serious about renewables and efficiency. Let's win the oil endgame.

      by by foot on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 06:11:04 AM PDT

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      •  Heh... (0+ / 0-)

        isn't Dodd gonna run for POTUS?  Joe could always run for that seat.  Shoot, if he did that he could still be Sec of Def for his good friend during his period of vacation from the Senate.

        The apocalypse will require substantial revision of all zoning ordinances. - Zashvill Political compass -7.88 -7.03.

        by Heiuan on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 06:26:07 AM PDT

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      •  It is all about respect (1+ / 0-)

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        It has been pointed out that the GOP does a better job of providing lifelong respect for candidates, winning or losing.  Hey, you may not like the job that Lieberman did when running for VP, but are you sure you could have done better, or even as well?

        The pressures of a political campaign are unbelievable.  Anyone willing to put themselves through that grief, voluntarily, deserves respect for that alone.  Sure, it turned out very, very badly, but give Lieberman his due, he stepped up and did the best he knew how to win that race.  He warrants our respect for putting himself through that meat grinder.

        It is time for unity, time for healing, time to move forward to the general election.  Give Lieberman some space to lick his wounds and get over it.  In private.

        In the meantime, there are a lot of other races that need everyone's attention.  What about Jim Webb?  Has everyone forgotten that attractive candidate needs our help?  Are we one-trick ponies, satisfied with a half-pickup, ready to kick back and let the fall election play out as it will?  Or wouldn't it be better to pick our opponent up off the field of battle, bind his wounds, and go fight the next battle.  This is not just a battle, this is a war, a war to take back our nation from a group of morally-corrupt leaders who are running our country into the ground.  One small victory is a start, but it is no more than that.  

  •  As a buddhist (1+ / 0-)

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    Mr Bula

    let me agree with you that honey is indeed sweeter than vinegar and also attracts more flies...but we don't need any more flies and the two together make a great sweet and sour sauce!

    There are times to go for the throat and make an example of someone.  Joe pimps for a president and a war that has shredded the lives of countless innocents.

    There is compassion, and then there is idiot compassion.

    Metaphorically, Joes head needs to be mounted on a pike at the gates of the city.

    •  As a Buddhist? (1+ / 0-)

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      Croaky

      Sorry, I am unfamiliar with the "mount heads on spike" school of Buddhism, and I thought I knew them all...

      Time to go back to Compassion 101 my friend and catch up on those parts you may have dozed through.  We don't need ANYONE'S head on a spike.  We need, I would suggest, a more peaceful world, based on international diplomacy that has brains instead of just brawn and bluster.  We need to send Condi Rice back to work on the Exxon board.  We need to send Dick Cheney just about anywhere besides where he is now.  John Bolton? Whew.  Charm School?  Anger Management Classes?  But no spikes, okay?  Literally, figuratively or metaphorically.  

      If you start channeling Ann Coulter, you run the risk of turning into her.

      •  What kind of Buddhism? (1+ / 0-)

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        Well said, arthura.  I haven't read much by the Dalai Lama, but I don't recall him ever using terms like:

        "go for the throat"
        "pimps a president"
        "idiot compassion"
        "head needs to be mounted on a pike"
        "don't be an asshole"

        I'm with the author of this Diary.  Be kind, let Lieberman either continue to destroy himself or come around by listening, talking to, and understanding his constituents in the general election.

      •  Yeah...I'm starting a new lineage (0+ / 0-)

        Compassion does not mean what most people think it means.  It is not passive and it is not always soft.  It is keeping a persons best interest in mind and acting on it.  

        Exactly who's interest is it in to enable Joe or people like him?  Or to show him a soft landing?  

        Joe knows what he is doing.  He has been prodded to step aside.  If he doesn't then what happens to him should be held up as a warning to others that may be tempted to aggrandize themselves at the expense of others.

        Don't forget, this guy feeds off of war.  He has also been a primary enabler of GW to continue and even escalate the carnage.

        It is in everyones best interest, even Joes, to stop Joe in no uncertain terms.

        Maybe you've never seen the wrathful diety paintings in Tibetan Buddhism?  They're half of the entire school of thought.

        I'm not just spouting off.

  •  Enjoyed hearing your thoughts! (1+ / 0-)

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    YetiMonk

    let's see how this breaks over the next few days; should be fascinating.

    Copyright 2006; "We work to bring the dawn!" -my gran'mère, who (at 15) fought Nazis in occupied France in 1943.

    by Monique Radevu on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 06:31:16 AM PDT

  •  Let off steam, or make positive change? (1+ / 0-)

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    by foot

    In these last few years I've come to realize that in many situations I have to chose between letting off steam, expressing my rage,making myself feel better, or,the more difficult thing, doing/saying something to help create positive change.
    I have to do the messy letting off steam,screaming my feelings out in private, or here at Kos.

    Yes! to Skillful Means!

    Hate is too great a burden to bear.It injures the hater more than the hated.- Coretta Scott King

    by mem on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 06:51:39 AM PDT

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