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Many Conservatives want Republicans to lose in 06

Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 06:16:38 PM PDT

Washington Monthly this month has put together an interesting set of articles by conservative writers who want the Republicans to lose in November.  They call it  Time For Us To Go.  Some of them write that it's bad for the country if all the power in Washington - the President, the House and the Senate are all in the hands of the same party.  Others say that Bush and his administration are not "real" conservatives, and they miss the days of Eisenhower, Reagan, and George Herbert Walker Bush.  Still others think that liberals should be given the power back, just so American can be reminded how "bad" liberals are - and want conservatives back again.  They each have a different point of view, but they have one thing in common - they want the Republicans (at least these Republicans) out of power.
In Let's quit while we're behind , Christopher Buckley, who was a speechwriter for George Herbert Walker Bush asks "What have they done to my party?" and "Where does one go to get it back?"  
It's time for a time-out. Time to hand over this sorry enchilada to Hillary and Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden and Charlie Rangel and Harry Reid, who has the gift of being able to induce sleep in 30 seconds. Or, with any luck, to Mark Warner or, what the heck, Al Gore. I'm not much into polar bears, but this heat wave has me thinking the man might be on to something.  

My fellow Republicans, it is time, as Madison said in Federalist 76, to "Hand over the tiller of governance, that others may fuck things up for a change."

 
 In Bring on Pelosi,  Bruce Bartlett  writes that he thinks that handing over at least one house of Congress to the Democrats in 06 will be a good thing for the country and will increase the chances for the GOP in 08.  
...on a purely partisan level, I believe that loss of one or both houses will strengthen the Republican Party going into 2008. It will force a debate on issues that have been swept under the rug, such out-of-control government spending and the coziness between Republicans and K Street, home of Washington's lobbying community. Afterwards, the party will emerge stronger, with better arguments for keeping control of the White House. Also, Democrats may well be placed under so much pressure from their left-wing fringe that they'll be forced into politically self-destructive acts such as trying to impeach President Bush. Every Republican I know thinks Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are the best things they have going for them. Giving these inept leaders higher profiles would be a gift to conservatives everywhere.

In And we thought Clinton had no self-control, Joe Scarborough give a much more honest and introspective appraisal of the Republican's performance.  He starts out with:  
When The Washington Monthly reached me at my office recently, a voice on the other side of the line meekly asked if I would ever consider writing an article supporting the radical proposition that Republicans should get their brains beaten in this fall.

"Count me in!" was my chipper response. I also seem to remember muttering something about preferring an assortment of Bourbon Street hookers running the Southern Baptist Convention to having this lot of Republicans controlling America's checkbook for the next two years.


In Give Divided Government a Chance,  William A. Niskanen  writes about the virtues of a divided government.
For those of you with a partisan bent, I have some bad news. Our federal government may work better (well, less badly) when at least one house of Congress is controlled by the opposing party. Divided government is, curiously, less divisive. It's also cheaper. The basic reason for this is simple: When one party proposes drastic or foolish measures, the other party can obstruct them. The United States prospers most when excesses are curbed, and, if the numbers from the past 50 years are any indication, divided government is what curbs them.

Restrain this White House by Bruce Fein also talks about the necessity of a divided government and the dangers of the president abusing his power unchecked:
But a Republican Congress has done nothing to thwart President George W. Bush's alarming usurpations of legislative prerogatives. Instead, it has largely functioned as an echo chamber of the White House.
Republicans in Congress have bowed to the president's scorn for the rule of law and craving for secret government. They have voted against Democratic Sen. Russell Feingold's resolution to rebuke Bush for violating federal statutes and crippling checks and balances. They have resisted brandishing either the power of the purse or the contempt power (with which it can compel testimony) to end the president's violation of FISA and to force full disclosure of his secret foreign-intelligence programs.

In Idéologie has taken over, Jeffrey Hart writes about the dangers of having an ideologue in power, and how Bush has "poisoned" the meaning of the word "conservative".

Perhaps most damaging to the ideal of conservatism has been the influence of religious ideology. During the fight over whether to remove the feeding tube of Terri Schiavo, a Florida woman who had been in a vegetal state for 15 years, politicians began to say strange and feverish things. "She talks and she laughs, and she expresses happiness and discomfort," Majority whip Tom DeLay said of a woman for whom cognition of any kind was impossible. (Oxygen deprivation had liquefied her cerebral cortex.) Senate Majority leader Bill Frist examined Schiavo on videotape and deemed her "clearly responsive." As Schiavo's case fought its way through the courts, Republicans savaged judges for consistently sanctioning the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube. "The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior," threatened DeLay.

And in The Show Must Not Go On, Richard A. Viguerie  writes about how Republicans presently in power do not deserve the support of conservatives, because they are not real conservatives:
Conservatives are as angry as I have seen them in my nearly five decades in politics. Right now, I would guess that 40 percent of conservatives are ambivalent about the November election or want the Republicans to lose. But a Republican loss of one or both houses of Congress would turn power over to the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Dare we risk such an outcome?

Sometimes a loss for the Republican Party is a gain for conservatives. Often, a little taste of liberal Democrats in power is enough to remind the voters what they don't like about liberal Democrats and to focus the minds of Republicans on the principles that really matter. That's why the conservative movement has grown fastest during those periods when things seemed darkest, such as during the Carter administration and the first two years of the Clinton White House.


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  •  A nice reality check (9+ / 0-)

    against all the Concern Troll diaries we've had lately.

    Many conservative voters are staying at home this November, and that's a fact.

  •  Interesting takes from some notable (2+ / 0-)

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    Republicans. Just read a Yahoo news piece about a recent Tony Perkin's "Values Voters Summit" at which they too are unhappy with Bush and his brand of conservatism.

    •  They've liked Bush... (1+ / 0-)

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      ...for quite a while, because he knows how to speak their language and he's catered to them when the vote was on the line. But, in terms of actual action, he's probably left more than a few of those righties disappointed.

  •  Send these links (2+ / 0-)

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    to your moderate R's if you live in such a district.  Maybe they will quit while they are "ahead"!

    Those who exchange freedom for security deserve neither

    by kamarkamarka on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 06:27:43 PM PDT

  •  It's a ploy (10+ / 0-)

    No, seriously.  I've been waiting for this for weeks.

    They see the coming bloodbath (OK, color me optimistic).  They know that they need to blame the crash and burn on the Neocons and not on Republicans or conservatism.  Therefore, they're doing their best to create a dichotomy in the minds of the public so they're not held responsible.

    Bullshit!  This is why no Dem should ever utter the world Neocon in public.  It should always be Republicans or conservatives; paint them all with the same broad brush and make them pay for loving power so much that they eagerly hopped into bed with the nearest psycho.

  •  Yes, let's lull the Democrats into a false calm (4+ / 0-)

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    Let's tell them we think it's all over. Let's tell them we are going to stop trying. Let's tell them that we ourselves are so demoralized that they will think all they have to do is have their name on the ballot and they'll win. Yes, let's try to get them to think that.

    Let's try to be "good citizens". Oy, vey! We need three branches of gov't? Yes. We Rethugs finally have come to our senses.

    Because if Democrats buy it, we'll walk away with the election. So let's get Democrats thinking that all they have to do is breathe to win, yes. That's a good strategy Karl. Very good indeed.

    I don't fucking buy it for one second.

    Run like you are twenty points behind. The day after the election, let up a little.

    Win on the War, stupid.

    The Clintons think "magnanimous in defeat" is a skin infection of the toes.

    by ThanxAl on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 06:43:51 PM PDT

  •  They're All Nuts, But In Different Ways (4+ / 0-)

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    Roughly half these people think that Harry Reid is a liberal.  Viguerie thinks Carter and Clinton were.

    Bruce Fein and William Niskanen are exceptions. But for the most part, disenchanted conservatives are not necessarily sane.  They just suffer from a different form of madness.

    •  Viguerie thought that Reagan (2+ / 0-)

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      was a liberal.  That doofus is as far right as you can get.

      The Clintons are corrupt selfish race baiting zero character scumbags. I'd rather be run over by a tractor-trailer than willfully vote for any Clinton again.

      by IhateBush on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 07:21:13 PM PDT

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  •  Democrats are far more conservative (4+ / 0-)

    Than so-called conservatives. I remember the Warren Court being roasted for legislating from the bench. This brand of GOP legislates from its ass.

    "With great power comes great responsibility." -- Stan Lee

    by N0MAN1968 on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 07:11:21 PM PDT

    •  Good point (1+ / 0-)

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      I've always thought that many of our political labels and concepts are wrong.  Bush and the neocons are really radicals - the radical right.  Taking a country to war is radical.  Not wanting to go to war is moderate.  Wanting basic healthcare, good schools, clean air is moderate.  

      The radical left is communism - I haven't seen many communists here, but people seem to think of DKOS as a radical left webblog.

      •  I wish we could get this word out (3+ / 0-)

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        No one here wants socialism, or a welfare state, or hearts-and-flowers for terrorists. We want the rule of law, competent officials, transparent government, financial commonsense and national security that WORKS.

        What the frak is so liberal about THAT? And we get roasted for being PROFANE? The GOP is murderously OBSCENE.

        Liberal, Conservative, Democrat, Republican, Christian ... these words mean NOTHING anymore, soon to be followed by "American" if these loonies stay in charge much longer.

        "With great power comes great responsibility." -- Stan Lee

        by N0MAN1968 on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 07:40:55 PM PDT

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        •  Wrong. (1+ / 0-)

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          I'm not even a yank but I want to see the US get socialised medicine.

          Why do I want it and why do I care?  Because I would like to would like the US to regain the status it has lost, because people suffering and dieing becaue they cannot afford treatment while society as a whole can is uncharitable and evil.

          Same for education.

          If you are going to have a society based on competition not co-operation at least see to it that people are equipped for such competition.

          Best Wishes, Demena

          by Demena on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 08:17:39 PM PDT

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          •  Fortunately... (0+ / 0-)

            ...a majority of Americans agree with you. Despite 30-40 years of right-wing and corporate propaganda saying "socialized medicine is baaaaaaad!" there are still a majority of Americans who support universal health care. EVEN IF you increase taxes.

            •  See my reply to Demena (1+ / 0-)

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              Demena was way off base with that comment. Besides, we already have 60 million Americans insured by the federal government, through Tricare, Medicare, and federal employment. Add the federal contribution to Medicaid and we're probably pushing 80 mil or more.

              That makes it a pretty small step to a national health plan, and that's fine with me. Bring. it. On. THAT'S a priority we would pay for.

              "With great power comes great responsibility." -- Stan Lee

              by N0MAN1968 on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 09:27:36 PM PDT

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              •  So why do we need a national health plan? (0+ / 0-)

                I can't see any reason why the government should pay for people who can afford to pay for their own health care. It should be for people who can't afford it. Which we already have...it's called Medicaid. If you don't think it's doing the job...don't expect national healthcare to do any better.  If we can't address the problem with the programs we've already got, we won't be able to address it with yet another, either.

                •  You really don't get it, do you? (0+ / 0-)

                  I know working families that can't afford health care but make too much for Medicaid, and are coping with cancer, diabetes, some real serious shit--what planet do you live on?

                  And again, someone going GOPer on me. Who's talking about another program? I don't see why we can't eliminate the duplication and roll Tricare, Federal employee health, Medicaid, Medicare, and SCHIP into a single plan. I don't like employer mandates, and as bad as a government run plan might be portrayed, why are we multiplying that by a factor of five or six? The point is, COMPETITION DOES NOT WORK IN HEALTH INSURANCE. It produces the opposite result of what was intended. Great coverage for people who don't need it--just like auto insurance.

                  You want to have the health care debate, fine. There's plenty of opportunity. Frankly, I don't even remember what this diary was about because too many goofs have read things into my comment that weren't there.

                  Write your diary on this and let us all comment. Let's hear from you how great things are. Then we'll pull out the National Institutes of Medicine study that shows 18,000 Americans die each year from having no health insurance. That's six 9/11's, six times the US troop death toll for Iran and Afghanistan. Every year.

                  But I'm probably way off base. We can solve that problem by invading Iran, no doubt.

                  "With great power comes great responsibility." -- Stan Lee

                  by N0MAN1968 on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 09:44:33 PM PDT

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                  •  Here's what I get: (0+ / 0-)

                    "working families that can't afford health care but make too much for Medicaid, and are coping with cancer, diabetes, some real serious shit"

                    So let's modify Medicaid so that those families will be covered.  What do you think prevents us from doing that, which won't prevent us from adopting national healthcare coverage for everyone, regardless of income or need?

                    •  OK--Good. Let's. (0+ / 0-)

                      Except let's fold the multiple programs into something better, less duplicative, more efficient. That's not what we have right now.

                      "With great power comes great responsibility." -- Stan Lee

                      by N0MAN1968 on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 02:01:19 PM PDT

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                      •  Suits me (1+ / 0-)

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                        And that plan might actually get somewhere politically.  But most of the rhetoric is about how we don't have national healthcare and we need it.  That comes across as a big new government spending program, and a massive change to the status quo.  And most Americans don't like either.

                        •  THERE we go! You and I actually agree (0+ / 0-)

                          I was reading something else into your early comment and I'm sorry--your Medicaid reference originally came across to me as a "let them eat cake" approach. I've been dealing with too many trolls lately.

                          The point I've been trying to make is, if having nearly one-third of our population insured by government isn't already a national program I don't know what is.

                          I'm way more afraid for my family losing health insurance than being killed by terrorists--at like a 5,000 to 1 ratio.

                          "With great power comes great responsibility." -- Stan Lee

                          by N0MAN1968 on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 04:05:49 AM PDT

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                      •  Hey, this health care diary could use more recs (0+ / 0-)

                        Give nyceve some love:

                        http://www.dailykos.com/...

                        "With great power comes great responsibility." -- Stan Lee

                        by N0MAN1968 on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 08:52:20 AM PDT

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                •  Here's some love for ya (0+ / 0-)

                  Lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States. Although America leads the world in spending on health care, it is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage. To help policy-makers, elected officials, and others judge and compare proposals to extend coverage to the nation's 43 million uninsured, the Institute of Medicine of the National Academies offers a set of guiding principles and a checklist in a new report, Insuring America's Health: Principles and Recommendations.

                  Read it for yourself then try debating with facts--real ones not Republican ones.

                  "With great power comes great responsibility." -- Stan Lee

                  by N0MAN1968 on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 09:50:48 PM PDT

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                  •  What facts are we debating? (0+ / 0-)

                    Are you saying that no Americans have health insurance from their employers or can afford to pay for their own health insurance?  Is that the "fact" that you wish to debate?

                    •  This is getting absurd (0+ / 0-)

                      The facts are, the number of private-sector employed Americans and their dependents with health insurance is around, I believe, 160 million and declining every year. The number of Americans insured at the expense of government (i) through any combination of government employment, current or former military enlistment or being a dependent of an enlistee, or (ii) through government programs like Medicaid, Medicare and SCHIP is around 80 million, probably more. The number of Americans with no health insurance whatsoever is nosing around 45 million. I'm guessing the illegal immigrants have, for the most part, nothing, so like them or not, there's 12 million (I believe more) individuals who will be without medical treatment and cared for at public expense when their illinesses become so severe they can't deal with them independently anymore.

                      The American private-sector worker population is sliding from health insurance through employment into employment with no health insurance. If you work you don't get Medicaid but your kids might get something through the state. If you've ever tried to price a private health insurance plan, it comes down to choosing between coverage and rent. Or food. Or transportation. Savings and investment? Fuggedaboudit. The emergency room is your local clinic.

                      Right now, we have about a 4 to 1 ratio of insured to uninsured but the ratio only shows signs of getting closer and the absolute number of 45 million uninsured should not be acceptable to a civilized society. That 18,000 die each year from not having health insurance is morally reprehensible.

                      This is as far as I am going to take this with you. If you can find something contrary to the above, good for you. Write a diary. I've researched all these numbers in the past and I'm not going to do it for you.

                      "With great power comes great responsibility." -- Stan Lee

                      by N0MAN1968 on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 02:00:03 PM PDT

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          •  Wait a minute--I said SOCIALISM (0+ / 0-)

            Why would you read "no socialized medicine" into that? Nor is a national health plan part of a welfare state, so I don't know where you got that.

            You want to deconstruct down to specific issues, fine, but don't go GOPer on me and reinvent what I said.

            Bringing competition to health care is an awful idea. The best care goes to the most healthy, i.e., the cheapest to treat and insure. Before too long, you will see American businesses clamoring for relief from the cost of their health care plans so that they can become more competitive.

            At that point, does a central payor health system become a "conservative" objective? This is why it's so meaningless to try to fit 21st century problems into 19th century categories.

            "With great power comes great responsibility." -- Stan Lee

            by N0MAN1968 on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 09:24:49 PM PDT

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            •  GOPer? (0+ / 0-)

              Wait a minute--I said SOCIALISM  Why would you read "no socialized medicine" into that?

              Look at the root of the words.  Socialised medicine is the product of social attitudes, socialism.

              Nor is a national health plan part of a welfare state, so I don't know where you got that.

              That's definately debateable.  I think it would depend on the type of the "national health plan" would it not?

              You want to deconstruct down to specific issues, fine, but don't go GOPer on me and reinvent what I said.

              I don't think I did.

              Bringing competition to health care is an awful idea. The best care goes to the most healthy, i.e., the cheapest to treat and insure. Before too long, you will see American businesses clamoring for relief from the cost of their health care plans so that they can become more competitive.

              Nolo contendre.

              Look, I doubt we disagree on much, but I come from a culture where socialism is not associated with communism (or fascism) and it is word and concept with which I am quite comfortable.  This may bot be the case for you.

              Best Wishes, Demena

              by Demena on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 10:00:33 PM PDT

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  •  Can we turn them into liberals? (1+ / 0-)

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    Maybe on the balanced budget. I'm old enough to remember when it was a conservative idea. Now it's a liberal one. In the 19th century liberals were against government regulation. Then they gradually came to favor it and conservatives picked up the people against it.

    But the real issue ought to be the corruption and sheer incompetence of the so-called "conservative" movement today.

  •  Viguerie (3+ / 0-)

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    Viguerie thinks if we get a taste of Democrats, then it will focus the Republicans more, blah blah blah...

    It's more like this. Let the Democrats get the country straightened up so the Republicans can come along and mess it up again.

    The Republicans have zero principles. If they had any principles they'd stand up to Bush once in a while. Everyone's principles ought to include: Country First, Party Second.

  •  Maybe honest conservatives and liberals (2+ / 0-)

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    can form an alliance to throw out the monster of corruption and depravity the Republican Party has become.

  •  I know some self-described conservatives (1+ / 0-)

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    who are joining the Libertarians.

    •  Yes (1+ / 0-)

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      The Libertarians are doing better and better these days.  And not just with conservatives.  I was surprised at how many Democrats told me that they voted for a Libertarian candidate for the first time in 2004.  (Not for the Presidency, though.)

  •  awww (1+ / 0-)

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    am I supposed to feel sorry for them? and their agenda where evolution is banned and gay people are rounded up and "repaired" or shot or whatever they had planned for us?

    Awwww...my heart bleeds. They bought it on themselves.

    Central PA Kossacks"Obama can hope all over me!" Si se fucking puede!

    by terrypinder on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 08:27:48 PM PDT

    •  Fuck 'em (1+ / 0-)

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      Metaphorically speaking, that is. If we were a more civilized nation, the Republicans would be a minor third party representing corporate interests and a handful of religious fanatics. The Democrats would be the major center-right party and the Greens or the Socialists would by the major party of the left. My goal is the destruction of the Republican Party and the right-wing, pro-corporate ideology.

  •  These are people.... (1+ / 0-)

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    ....who believe their own bullshit. The public has never been fond of the conservative program. Americans are somewhat pro-choice, they're slowly starting to favor gay rights, they like social programs, and they want universal healthcare. Hopefully, when the public sees a little old fashioned liberalism, they'll decide they like it.

  •  Now, if only all the wingnuts (1+ / 0-)

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    would listen to their pundits, like we listen to ours...oh wait, you mean the MSM pundits aren't the "liberal media" anymore? Well, never mind.

  •  Never, ever trust a Republican. (4+ / 0-)

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    I was born in 1968. My earliest political memory was hearing that Ronald Reagen got elected and I was scared for no intelligent reason, just a gut feeling from a twelve year old.

    When I got to voting age and I saw the Republicans stage their high level political theater against Clinton, ignoring the real issues of the day and watched them trash America by dragging it throught the "blue dress" I said these guys are scum.

    How I underestimated them.

    I will never, ever trust a single Republican to be honest or transparent or to have integrity and belief in the process.

  •  Unfortunately.... many Dems (1+ / 0-)

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    want us to lose this year too.  They arent prepared to take a position of responsibility.  I am a devoted Dem lighting candles for our Nov triumph but I am growing more and more convinced that many would rather sit in the back benches and bitch rather than step up and lead the county out of this 6 yr Bush funk.  

    •  Of course (1+ / 0-)

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      Most of them have been in office for the last 6 years.  From their perspective, as long as they are in office, we are not, by definition, in a funk....everything is fine and dandy.  And they aren't going to do anything differently for fear of rocking the boat.

  •  Lots of Republicans hoped Bush would lose in 2004 (1+ / 0-)

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    The last week or so before the election, the list of Republicans who endorsed Kerry exploded, but it wasn't widely distributed.

    I remember one particularly poignant plea from a former Republican...governor?...that ended:  "Vote for John Kerry, I implore you."

    But they all fell in line.

  •  The REALLY conservative Republicans (1+ / 0-)

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    of IL-14 have been talking with John Laesch for over 2 months.  Most have decided they can live with him rather than Dennis Hastert.

    Something about balanced budgets . . . they mutter a lot so it's kind of hard to get all the justification.

    Amazing how many have a rock in their sock for Hastert.

    Possum for Congress Peace is possible. Jerry Northington.

    by llbear on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 10:20:43 PM PDT

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