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Dear Senator Reid and Rep. Pelosi

Tue Sep 26, 2006 at 01:08:28 PM PDT

You are currently making the single most significant political mistake of the 2006 electoral cycle.  Never mind the moral dimension -- my own conscience is the only one I have the energy to worry about nowadays.  I'm talking strictly about electoral politics.  

And I sincerely apologize for the presumptuousness of telling you your own business, and in crude terms at that, but I honestly don't see any way to simply trust you on this.  I've been doing the "political calculus" on the back of a laptop and it's pretty grim.  

Politics is, utimately, about getting (and keeping) more votes than your opponent.  Votes come from supportive citizens, and the support of each citizen has a baseline vote value of exactly ±1 vote per electoral cycle.  But each citizen's support also has an actual vote value that's determined by other factors and which varies over time: likelihood that they will actually vote for you in this election, likelihood that they'll continue to vote for you in future elections, their level of influence/credibility with other voters, their ability to fund campaigns, their level of visibility or celebrity, their activism quotient, etc, etc.  

These minima and maxima are obviously impossible to measure in absolute terms but they can certainly be estimated in relative terms, especially as you aproach the baseline.  Every political position involves tradeoffs in support.  There are almost no 100% winning positions, because for each action you gain the support of some voters and lose the support of others.  Each unit of support corresponds to some number of votes.  So with each position you have to decide -- whose support are you targeting, and is this a net gain or a net loss in terms of votes?  

In order to gain the support of people whose support means less than one vote each you are alienating other people whose support means one or more votes each.  On balance, you are in the process of losing a lot of votes.  

An extraordinary claim, I know.  I got about 800 words (1/3 of the way) into a long, dry essay on the numbers and mechanisms that I believe are in play here before I figured that noone else would ever want to read it.   In the interest of keeping this short and readable I'm just going to resort to a military metaphor, and point out that you are violating a fundamental rule of tactics.  

You are fortifying a position which you cannot use, nor ultimately defend.

Consider the citizens whose support you will gain by standing by and allowing the Great Writ to be overturned.  How valuable is their support, in terms of votes?  Now consider the citizens whom, over the next six weeks, you are asking to bust ass, take time off from work, walk precincts, write letters, make phone calls, post blog entries, etc.  How valuable is their support, in terms of votes?   Now add in the number of people who are simply looking for "a little daylight" between Republicans and Democrats.  In exchange for the support of the first group, you are alienating the latter two groups.  And very deeply so.  

It's reasonable to think that the number of citizens in the first category is larger than the second, and perhaps even the third (though I doubt that).  The question is how much larger?  In any event, the number of citizens doesn't matter.  The number of votes is what matters.  Do you think that all the citizens whose support you are courting by allowing the legalization of torture will vote for you?  Will it be enough to counteract the losses you will face in the other two categories?  

Meanwhile, by your silence, you offer assent that yes, we have no choice but to sacrifice our principles in order to secure our safety as a nation.  You fortify your enemy's position.  Unfortunately this is not just your enemy, else I'd leave you to your fate.  You also fortify my enemy and the enemy of the Constitution so many of us have sworn to defend.

Best wishes

radish

Tags: Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, torture, habeas corpus, Rescued (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  I'm glad to see someone do it without f-bombs. (4+ / 0-)

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    uffdalib, WisVoter, tovan, frandor55

    That was going to be my contribution.

    Since Bush said "We're not leaving [Iraq] while I'm the president," that means you're either for years of more war or you're for impeachment. Your choice.

    by Christopher on Tue Sep 26, 2006 at 01:12:34 PM PDT

  •  I hope you sent this letter. (2+ / 0-)

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    WisVoter, frandor55

    If my two Senators don't take a strong stand against this crime, may I use your letter?

    Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

    by slatsg on Tue Sep 26, 2006 at 01:14:20 PM PDT

  •  Thank you for bringing attention to habeas corpus (5+ / 0-)

    I've also written an article about it on associated content.  If you'd like to bump it up with a high rating, more people outside the blogosphere will see it.

    You are entirely right about the fact that they are fortifying a position they cannot use nor defend.  This is strategic bumbling to the nth degree, not to mention morally indefensible.

    Stephanie Dray
    of Jousting for Justice, a lefty blog with a Maryland tilt.

    by stephdray on Tue Sep 26, 2006 at 01:29:31 PM PDT

  •  sooner or later (5+ / 0-)

    Pelosi and Harry, like the rest of us will be asked why . Why did we not fight for the Constitutional right of Habeas ?
    History and our children and grandchildren will judge us very harshly if this gets passed the SCOTUS. I have my doubts that even with this court, that they will stand by and watch thier powers stripped away, and by proxy , our Rights.
    I , for one, am lost for a way to explain subbing in Election concerns for princibles. It's not what we teach our kids, but this is beginning to look like the Santa Claus myth. We lie to them about Santa for a couple years. We lie to them and to ourselves that it is for their own good, and will give them joy. In the end tho many children are crushed when they learn the truth about Santa. What they really learn at that time is Mom, Dad, and the Government lied to them.
    We send them to school and teach them that the only thing in thier life that will never change ( like Santa), are the Rights they have from the U.S. Constitution.

    If you think explaining that Santa is not real was hard, trust me when I say this will be worse.

    -8.63 -7.28 We all have to be concerned about terrorism, but you will never end terrorism by terrorizing others.~Martin Luther King III

    by OneCrankyDom on Tue Sep 26, 2006 at 01:30:46 PM PDT

    •  Why electoral politics over principles? (1+ / 0-)

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      April Follies

      Natural selection -- those who hew to the electoral politics win the elections.

      That's because there is little incentive for principle today.  That incentive has to come from civic activism and a free press.

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Tue Sep 26, 2006 at 09:23:12 PM PDT

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      •  but (0+ / 0-)

        it is bad electoral politics to do what your opponent wants you to do and to strengthen their position. This is why the Dems always lose lately. And this is going to kill alot of their support on the left. This billl ends the idea of America, nothing less. This bill ends the idea of America as a free country or a world leader. This is BAD electoral politics for the Dems. This is precisely what people would want to see them stand up against.

  •  And then of course (5+ / 0-)

    And then of course, Pelosi thought it was a good idea to defend Goeorge Bush, when Hugo Chavez attacked him; another great way to hold and attract democrats to your side. One thing you could be sure of, no republican voter is going to jump ship over Pelosi's defense of Bush.

    "The important thing is not that we can live on hope alone, but that life is not worth living without it." --Harvey Milk

    by pollbuster on Tue Sep 26, 2006 at 01:31:39 PM PDT

  •  No Business as Usual (5+ / 0-)

    I think that the Dems in congress should restrict their participation in official business to reading the Constitution into the record and walking out.

    The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
    -- U.S. Constitution Article I Section 9

    Of course, I guess the Rethugs will claim that we are being "invaded".

    This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

    by Mr X on Tue Sep 26, 2006 at 01:51:57 PM PDT

  •  good essay (1+ / 0-)

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    frandor55

    too bad politicians are short on respect for reasoned argument and basic math skills.

    they're mostly lawyers, ya know. swishy like that.

    Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

    by MarketTrustee on Tue Sep 26, 2006 at 02:23:54 PM PDT

  •  Feingold & Waxman As Minority Leaders (2+ / 0-)

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    InStride, Cottagerose

    The current Dem leaders in the House and Senate are so tame as to not qualify for being an opposition party.

       If we only had Feingold and Waxman in these critical positions.

    Well I've been from Tucson to Tucumcari... Tehachapi to Tonopah--Lowell George/Little Feat

    by frandor55 on Tue Sep 26, 2006 at 02:42:35 PM PDT

  •  They are just not leaders... (0+ / 0-)

    They are placeholders.

    Commas.

  •  They think Dems win by looking like Repugs (0+ / 0-)

    [N]ow that the Republicans have worked out a deal on detainees, Democrats are not planning any organized effort to filibuster the deal in the Senate, even though they may not agree with some of the specifics in the legislation.

    With just a few days left before the election recess, Democratic aides say they are not going to give Republicans an opportunity to paint them into a corner.

    We’re going to do what we can to limit the amount of daylight between us and them on national security issues in order to neutralize this as a political issue,” a senior Democratic aide said.

    Do they really think they can neutralize this by acting the same as Repugs? I.e., that this will affect their base in the same way that it effects the Repug base? I know it's not likely to drive us to vote for Repugs but, as you say radish, is it likely to energize us, as it will for many Repug rank-and-file, or is it likely to dishearten us and make us less likely to GOTV, work for Dems, and vote?

    I think if they oppose the Rape and Torture bill, they are likely to alienate some voters who think giving up habeas for "enemy combatant" aliens and allowing "torture light" is a fairly small price to pay for security. That may drive a few to vote for Repugs. But how many undecided voters are going to decide based on that? Those voters were probably leaning R anyway. Can't they play up Iraq, Afghanistan, corruption, Iraq, Social Security, and Iraq instead of throwing out the Constitution and the principles it was based upon?

    This is so disheartening. But I'm glad you were able to stay positive.

    •  Dems fear they're walking into a trap. (0+ / 0-)

      This election is about terrorism because Bush controls the media and sets the agenda.  Perhaps Rove wants dems to take the bait and come out strongly against torture and egg head principles like habeas corpus, which red state America could care less about; they love Bush the executioner.  Then we'll have another terrorist attack in October, let it happen or make it happen, or Bush will pull OBL out of a hat.  Dems will be painted as soft on terrorists, enablers, or even defenders of OBL.  The way to win, and we must win or leave, is to tell the truth about Bush: His government has failed to protect us, his homeland security is a joke, and he's imperiled our safety with his botched, hateful and corrupt foreign policy.  Any terrorist attack now is his fault.  That way if Rove lets an attack happen, they'll be blamed for it, not us, not Clinton.  We'll get habeas corpus and Bush's head on a pike in November.

      •  well (1+ / 0-)

        that reminds me of what Al Gore said when Clinton signed away the basic right to being fed in America and ended welfare as we once knew it. Gore said he figured the Dems would win back Congress, then maybe when Gore was President, they'd restore welfare.

        BAD STRATEGY.

      •  I think it's sad enough that Bush has people (0+ / 0-)

        in the midwest (and other places where a terrorist strike is unlikely) terrified of a foreign terrorist attacks. It's his best (only?) card and it's effective at manipulating many voters. But that he's able to scare and maniuplate the Dems in Congress with the same tactic is mystifying.

  •  What we need is leadership, not cowardice (1+ / 0-)

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    peterbernard209

    We want a reason to be proud of our elected representatives, not ashamed of them.  The Constitution is being thrown out, and our leaders, especially those like Reid who aren't up for re-election this year, are just standing by.  Fight for us!  We know the Republicans are looking for a political fight - they want to keep pressing the idea that the Dems are weak on terrorists, but there are SO many arguments against this, and our "leaders" like Reid and Pelosi won't use a single one of them.  They cower, hoping the big bad Republicans won't hurt them.

    I wonder how much they're convinced just like Lieberman that position matters more than principle.  These people won't ever suffer if they wind up losing the election - they will always find employment at some think tank or university or through speaking tours - but they're acting like keeping their job is more important than actually honoring their oath of office.

  •  This is basically the end of civilization, right? (0+ / 0-)

    We're no longer part of the world community, we're officially declaring ourselves a terrorist state, and the Democrats are agreeing with the republicans that its' "important" to do this?

    Now the rightwing trolls will be everywhere pointing out that there's no difference between the parties and once again there'll be too much evidence to support their claims. This is the same politically as Kerry not coming out against the war in 2004, but the ramifications for the entire world are far more staggering. This will allow the CIA to LEGALLY kidnap and torutre anyone on the planet indefinitely, even US citizens. This is terrifying and anyone that would vote for this is not an American in my eyes, not even a human being. Yes, harry Reid, I just said I don't consider you human if you vote for this.

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