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The "tried and failed" plan for Iraq that Bush has presented is just too dumb. Even for him.  It has been thoroughly vetted and no one, not even Republicans, is seriously defending it as likely to work.  

I don't think even Bush is dumb enough to continue to risk the lives of all our troops in Iraq plus another 20,000 to boot for a "more of the same" plan that is likely to fail.

If Bush were hiding his real plan, it wouldn't be the first time. He was sure we were going into Iraq way before he declared it. Bush told us it takes a warrant to spy on Americans. Etc.

Bush probably is hiding his real plan.  That Bush has a secret plan to use our military is incredibly scary given how bad Bush has been as our Commander in Chief these days.  

So what is Bush's real plan?  Please do vote.

Originally posted to prouddemocrat on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 12:02 PM PST.


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  •  Why does this seem hard to understand? (3+ / 0-)
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    MadGeorgiaDem, mrcoder, kurt

    After all, the precedent from Vietnam, Somalia, and countless other failed military venture such as the Soviets in Afghanistan provide the model.

    We are losing.  Therefore, we will make a big show of how tough we are right before we flee, in order to cloak our failure in the illusion of our might and that our decision not to attempt an unreachable victory is in fact our "choice".

    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

    by Jay Elias on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 11:59:44 AM PST

  •  PS (3+ / 0-)

    If Bush escalates with Iran in a hot or cold conflict, we will see an incredibly scary terrorist threat from Hezbollah, which Iran largely controls.  Hezbollah recently stood up to Israel in Lebanon.  They make al Qaeda look like kids.

    Iran also has a scary equivalent to our CIA which they may use against us.

    If we are going to fight Iran, we can't do it half arsed.  We will need a draft.  We will need overwhelming force.

    The airpower Bush has moved into the region will be like a bee stinging a bear.

    •  Qods (1+ / 0-)
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      According to Richard Clarke, Hizballah's and Islamic Jihad's parent organization, Iran's Qods Force, makes al Qaeda look like the boy scouts (my words, forget his precise wording but that was the idea.) They report to the mullahs, have an army, navy, and air force and international networks  for interlligence, recruiting, and training.

      > 518,000 American children are in foster care. Got any bandwidth?

      by kck on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 12:22:02 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  His plan is to give Iraqis another chance... (1+ / 0-)
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    kurt greet us as liberators, with flowers at our feet, mint tea for all, and a hardy hardy Arabic version of hip hip hoorah, whatever that may be.

    "I am my brother's keeper. I am a Democrat." -- That's your slogan, Democrats.

    by Bensdad on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 12:00:14 PM PST

  •  Bomb, Bomb, Bomb! Bomb-Bomb Iran! nt (2+ / 0-)
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    DvCM, madgranny

    Patriots aren't anti-ied missiles.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 12:05:38 PM PST

  •  It's to find someone to blame. (2+ / 0-)
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    mrcoder, kurt

    I've been saying this for years: Bush is either going to hand it off to the next president or Congress will force him out.  Either way, he blames someone else, or the American people, for failing to have the balls to see the task through.

    With respect to Jay Elias, the template is Vietnam, in the sense the anti war demonstrators and the American people are blamed for Losing Vietnam in the right wing circles today, Bush is a VN war hero and Kerry is a traitor.  For the next thirty years, the right wing is going to nurse the myth of a winnable Iraq war and a stabbing in the back of Bush.

    It's the proto-fascism

    by Inland on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 12:06:19 PM PST

  •  I'm in a quandry (3+ / 0-)
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    Subterranean, mrcoder, kurt

    over trying to decide what shrub is trying to do.  

    Part of me says he is channeling LBJ and wants to prolong the war past the end of his term so he can't be tagged with losing the war.

    Part of me says that this plan is intended to draw Iran into a showdown.

    Part of me says he is just a complete idiot and doesn't know what to do, so goes back to try something he's already tried, just to show he doing something.

    I suspect the answer my lie in each of those statements.

    Liberty can not be preserved without general knowledge among people." -John Adams

    by MadGeorgiaDem on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 12:09:39 PM PST

  •  The real plan is to try to provide a stable (1+ / 0-)
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    Iraq government that will appear to have enough legitimacy to sign oil sharing agreements with our Integrated Oil Companies.  Once that occurs, our forces will retreat to their oil field associated bunkers and then we'll allow the Iraqis to knock each other off with impunity.

  •  Delay Impeachment (1+ / 0-)
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    At the rate things are going, Repuglicans will be calling for impeachment even before the democratic leadership does. Bush needs to distract and stall and keep public attention off congressional investigations. For Bush, defeat in Iraq is the best thing he has going for him.

    George W. Bush is just like Forrest Gump. Except that Forrest Gump is honest and cares about other people.

    by easong on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 12:17:40 PM PST

    •  interesting (2+ / 0-)
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      mrcoder, madgranny

      I think this is a variation on needing to keep the war going to preserve his wartime powers.

    •  stalling (1+ / 0-)
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      Keeping military actions going is seen as some protection against serious investigations by Congress.

      Keeping fighting going in that area near Iran also raises the possibility of sparking another conflict, prolonging the military actions some more.

      And, if the conflicts really escalate out of US control, the magical Commander's "War Powers" such as a new Sedition Act in the USA are more of a possibility, which would bring him yet more magical "War Powers."

      Bush retains more power, longer, by keeping battles going, and keeping everyone especially Congress too occupied with everything else to pay attention squarely to him.

      When the battles stop, "War Powers" disappear, and that could well be a serious fear of GWB.  That 32% approval rating of today, is actually artificially inflated by the fighting, believe it or not.  The approval rating will plummet from here when the hot air of war is let out.

      He has to keep it all going until the end of his term in order to hold on to his ticket out of town.

      And like Nixon, Bush will need to get a Ford to pardon him.

      I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.
      George Washington

      by mrcoder on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 07:13:09 PM PST

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      •  You are right on (0+ / 0-)

        When the battles stop, "War Powers" disappear, and that could well be a serious fear of GWB.  That 32% approval rating of today, is actually artificially inflated by the fighting, believe it or not.  The approval rating will plummet from here when the hot air of war is let out.

        He has to keep this war going to save his butt.  I've said that too and people voted their agreement:

  •  Destabilize the region (6+ / 0-)

    it is the prime rule for sociopaths - create chaos and the opportunities for steal will develop.

    If the region falls into chaos, the world will eventually beg us to quit making the pretense of nation building and to just sieze the oil. Then we do ethnic cleansing of the oil field regions in a matter of weeks.

  •  Not one of the talking heads gave voice to my (2+ / 0-)
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    mrcoder, kurt

    opinion on the misnamed, "new way forward," which is just recycled, 'stay the course;' Simply that, after months of study and conversations with all the best experts in their field, that this is the 'best you can come up with?'

    Proud to have NEVER voted for a republican in my life. A perfect record.

    by Unrepentant Liberal on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 12:30:47 PM PST

  •  Only mistake in the diary.. (0+ / 0-)

    I don't think even Bush is dumb enough to continue to risk the lives of all our troops in Iraq plus another 20,000 to boot for a "more of the same" plan that is likely to fail.

    Now? When?? Why??? Because, Goddammit! Isn't that enough? -8.88 -5.08

    by SecondComing on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 01:17:35 PM PST

  •  Bush's "new strategy" is simply to hang on till (1+ / 0-)
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    he can dump the mess onto the lap of his successor

    we're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression

    by Lepanto on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 01:18:43 PM PST

  •  Alexander Cockburn (1+ / 0-)
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    described it best in Counterpunch:

    After the speech  Frank Bardacke wrote to me from Watsonville:  

    "Alex, One good thing about the surge that I haven't seen or heard anyone say (not that I've searched) is that it will ruin McCain's chance at the Presidency. It in't gonna work, and it will make it impossible to run for President on a slogan of more troops to Iraq. So maybe when more troops just means more bloodshed the whole adventure will have to be called off. The next President will close it out, it will be historically summed up as the Boy Emperor's War, and most folks here will do their very best to forget the whole damn thing."

    I wrote back: "Good point. I thought McCain  looked very groggy in the post speech analysis. But can they call it all off? I mean, at what point did a Roman emperor say, "Screw it, give them goddam   Dacia. We don't need it. Parthia too." No, never. It was surge surge surge until finally the overtaxed citizenry of the Roman Empire hung out signs saying  "Goths Welcome!  15 per cent off for Parthians!" The Brits were still battling for south Yemen in the 1960s  when they hadn't a dime in the bank.

  •  billion$ bases to be universities w/foodcourts (0+ / 0-)

    and all!Less books ,more KFC.We know how to instill our values abroad.

    have we hit bottom yet?

    by eddienic on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 01:45:21 PM PST

  •  Ethnic Cleaninsing... (1+ / 0-)
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    madgranny the next Bush strategy in Iraq...aimed to de-sunni-izing the capitol, and de-muktadr-ing Sadr City.  

  •  The Drums of War (1+ / 0-)
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    Already Bush has ordered forces to arrest Iranian diplomats.

    A second aircraft carrier group is heading towards the Persian Gulf.

    Bush is adding more ground troops to Iraq, and extending their tour of duty to 2 years.

    Look for one or more naval vessels to be sunk, probably an aircraft carrier and/or a battleship.

    Bush will then get Congress to declare war on Iran.

    Nuclear Weapons will be used.

    Several million people will die, but American Oil Companies will end up with contracts to exploit Iran's oilfields.

  •  Reason for Surge (0+ / 0-)

    The main reason is to perpetuate the war to continue Corporate war profiteering. Bush's "surge-proponents" know a surge is not going to help in the long run. But they also know that a withdrawal/re-deployment will bring an end to their taxpayer-funded Corporate welfare gravy train that Iraq has created. The "surge-proponents" do know that a surge will prolong the war, and prolong the time they can feed at the taxpayers' trough thru government contracts in Iraq.

    The prolongation of the Iraq war prolongs the amount of time Corporate America can embezzle taxpayer money under the guise of Iraq "reconstruction" and ancillary services for our troops.

    Iraq has been one of the biggest Corporate profit-generating machines since Bush stole the 2000 election. Corporate America wants to continue letting the good times roll. And that means staying in Iraq as long as possible.

    It's no mystery that Congress is less committed to withdrawing our troops than their contituents. Their Corporate donors have benefited tremendously from Iraq, and will do everything in their power to prevent an end to such a profitable endeavor.  

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