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The recent comments of former NBA all-star Tim Hardaway did not surprise me the least bit. The sporting world is filled with such hatred, intolerance and cruelty that it makes the KKK look like a Church social. But I'll give the devil his due. At least he was honest enough to make himself the face of gay hatred in the sporting world.

Hardaway's comments are a clear indication of why a Gay active male athlete will never come out. Surely, we as a country have made great progress in the acceptance of Homosexuals, but the hatred and bigotry still lingers.

It will never die.

And, it's an unfortunate part of this country's DNA.

John Adams once said that this country wasn't founded solely on Christian principles. Yet because of the strict teachings of religious texts, we as a nation have been hoodwinked into beliving that all things, including homosexuality are just plain wrong.

Sorry, but homosexuals are everywhere.

Whether Tim Hardaway or any Homophobic knucklehead likes it or not, Homosexuals have contributed greatly to our society beyond the stereotypes that we place upon them.

And whether or not they're aware of it, Tim Hardaway and any other NBA player or athlete has had at least one or two gay teammate throughout their athletic career.

When Hardaway was asked about having a gay teammate, he said, "first of all I wouldn't want him on my team."

So, Tim you share the same attitude as the 1947 Dodgers had toward their teammate Jackie Robinson.

"If he was on my team, I would distance myself from him."

How Tim, by sending him to the back of the team plane. I'm sure Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr., would be really proud of that.

"It shouldn't be in the world, in the United States, I don't like it."

Where in the world should Homosexuals go Tim? By this statememt Hardaway hinted at some sort of worldwide cleansing of Homosexuality.

We cringe when a black person is told to go back to the cotton fields or back to Africa, but those are tangible destinations.

By Hardaway's statement, "it shouldn't be in the world," he appears to calling for some sort of Homosexual Holocaust.

Then later, Hardaway, tried to weasel his way out by apologizing.

Why, Tim?

There's no need to apologize unless you really mean it.

And, when the NBA decided to banish you from the all-star festivities this weekend, that's when you realized that you had a conscience. Or, the
fact that you're losing valuable income.

You're a bigot.

And because of your boastful declaration of Homophobia, many gay male athletes will have a much difficult time coming out of the closet, if they didn't have all ready.

In the insular world of male dominated sports, the risks of coming out are much too greater.

John Amaechi, the former NBA player who recently came out as Gay is a shining example of an individual displaying courage while Tim Hardaway is a sad example of how things will continue to remain the same in all of professional sports until someone decides to break that barrier the same way Jackie Robinson did 60 years ago.

Originally posted to cos82005 on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 06:47 PM PST.

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  •  What I'd like to see... (10+ / 0-)

    ....is a top male athlete in one of the major leagues to come out while still on top of the game. And I'd like to hear him say "yeah, I'm gay, and if you've got a problem with it, we can discuss it. At length."

  •  What I'd like to see... (11+ / 0-)

    ..is all America ignoring "professional" sports, refusing to spend tax money on huge stadiums (stadia), and a renaissance of amateur baseball and football, with lots of local people going to lots of local games that are acutally played by locals, rather than the best non-local money can buy.

    "I am my brother's keeper. I am a Democrat." -- That's your slogan, Democrats.

    by Bensdad on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 06:57:32 PM PST

  •  There are some gay male athletes (2+ / 0-)
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    at the collegiate level who have come out while playing.  Also Sheryl Swoopes, a one time WNBA MVP, came out recently.  Now these sports are not as widely popular as the big three, the NFL, MLB, and NBA.  However, it does show that there is progress.  

    John Amaechi, the former NBA player who recently came out as Gay is a shining example of an individual displaying courage while Tim Hardaway is a sad example of how things will continue to remain the same in all of professional sports until someone decides to break that barrier the same way Jackie Robinson did 60 years ago.

    I agree to some extent.  The first openly gay player will be the one who changes things for the better.  It should be noted though that there have been a number of people in the NBA who have been supportive of Amaechi and that's progress too.  The barrier has not been broken but it's getting closer.

  •  It's by no means a universal attitude in sports (4+ / 0-)

    any more than in the military.

    "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." --Stephen Colbert

    by InsultComicDog on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 07:06:10 PM PST

  •  Tim Hate-away comes out... as a bigot (1+ / 0-)
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    SoCalLiberal

    But which is harder in today's NBA? To come out as a gay athlete, or to come out as a hater of gay athletes? Tim shouldn't be allowed to slide on this one. He knew what he was saying, into a broadcast microphone. He said what he really felt. He showed who he really is. But will he face public approbation, or locker room high-fives?

    •  It's sort of like what happenned to Dan White (1+ / 0-)
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      After he was arrested and brought into the station, the San Francisco Police Department cheered him and gave him a standing ovation.  But despite that horrible tragedy, San Francisco is a better place today.  And hopefully the NBA will be too.

  •  Almost correct (2+ / 0-)
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    The intensity of your vitriol is well aimed toward those in a position of public voice who use their platform to indulge their own pathetic fears and cowardly bigotries. However, I would correct one notion:

    Yet because of the strict teachings of religious texts, we as a nation have been hoodwinked into beliving that all things, including homosexuality are just plain wrong.

    Let's be clear, bigots often turn to scripture to find a justification for their own acts of cowardice. It is the bigotry that always comes first, not the "religious" teaching. The bible says nothing about homosexuality, not in the original languages, and a strict teaching from scripture would be hard pressed to make a case against anything more than sexually enacted fertility worship. It is the mind of the bigot, misusing sacred text, that trys to suggest a greater warrant for their prejudice than the fear in their tiny little hearts.

    •  People will look for whatever reason (2+ / 0-)
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      DCDemocrat, homogenius

      to hate other people.  Religion just happens to be the easiest route.  But if you take that away, people will look for other things.  

    •  Afraid you're wrong (0+ / 0-)

      better go re-read the bible

      •  no, actually he isn't. (2+ / 0-)
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        He said, in the "original languages." This is correct.

        LOOK OUT! Here comes the pendulum!!

        by Rumarhazzit on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 07:46:03 PM PST

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        •  Curious (1+ / 0-)
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          >>He said, in the "original languages." This is correct.<<</p>

          As someone who knows neither ancient hebrew or ancient greek what do those passages in Leviticus and Romans (to mention some of the most prominent old and new testament mentions) mean in the original languages?

          "An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot." - Thomas Paine

          by Mister Gloom on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 07:47:56 PM PST

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          •  if you go to Google (1+ / 0-)
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            homogenius

            and type in "homosexuality+bible+translation" you will get approximatey 711,00 references that will answer your questions.

            LOOK OUT! Here comes the pendulum!!

            by Rumarhazzit on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 07:53:12 PM PST

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          •  Cos82005, who wrote this blog said (0+ / 0-)

            Yet because of the strict teachings of religious texts, we as a nation have been hoodwinked into beliving that all things, including homosexuality are just plain wrong

            It was my impression that the bible does not approve of homosexuality.  I'm not saying I agree with the Bible--just pointing it out, like I think Cos82005 is trying to do.

            •  strict teachings and (1+ / 0-)
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              homogenius

              "hoodwinked" would seem to suggest otherwise to me.  

              LOOK OUT! Here comes the pendulum!!

              by Rumarhazzit on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 08:03:10 PM PST

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            •  You need to do some study, then. (0+ / 0-)

              In order to translate the bible the way the anti-gay crowd does, you have to torture the words beyond any semblance of their original meaning, lift them from the cultural context, and try and apply them to facts of human relationship that had yet to be discovered.

              In some instances, they try to translate words differently than any other instance in scripture. Some words that they translate as 'homosexual' refer to temple prostitution and worship of idols. They try to retain the proscriptions on homosexuality in Leviticus while ignoring those regarding eating shellfish, wearing clothing containing mixed fibers, women being barred from the temple during their period, etc.

              Remember, even the words 'homosexual' and 'gay' only date to the late 19th century. Anyone who says the bible prohibits loving, consensual same-sex relationships between adults is lying or selling something (frequenly both).

              Blessed are the arrogant...for they shall be really impressed with themselves.

              by homogenius on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 09:41:44 PM PST

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      •  Nope (3+ / 0-)
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        Point #1 - The word homosexual and the concept of this as an aspect of human sexuality is a modern psychological concept seemingly unrecognized in the first century.

        Point #2 - The NIV (the most common translation in use in Evangelical circles) made a conscious choice to ignore good biblical scholarship and enshrine a specific interpretation of a vague biblical concept in the text. Actually proves my point about the priority of bigorty.

        Point # 3 - The most frequently quoted texts from Leviticus and from Paul both refer to encounters with the worship practices of pagan fertility cults. Levitical texts speak of practices that are "toevah" - an abomination - which has a meaning specific to the worship context not to God's attitude in general. Paul uses a Greek term "arsenokoitai," an obscure compound that means male beds. To the bigot this term immediately brings to mind an image of homosexuality but if this is really what Paul meant, why not use the very common Greek term "pederastus" which everyone would understand as such?

        Need I go on?

        •  thank you Godsbodkin (1+ / 0-)
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          I am utterly amazed at how people, especially reasonable, thinking people can just take it for granted that the words they read in the bible, translated from ancient greek and hebrew texts into modern English by fallible men - sometimes wih their own agendas, are without error.  

          LOOK OUT! Here comes the pendulum!!

          by Rumarhazzit on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 08:21:19 PM PST

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  •  Hardaway is a has-been no-champion nt (0+ / 0-)

    80 % of success is just showing up - Woody Allen

    by Churchill on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 07:39:45 PM PST

  •  Hardaway: anti-Gay Klansman (3+ / 0-)
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    homogenius, esquimaux, crose

    This goes on in all sports.  They are almost all homophobic.  Say the N-word and your career is over.  Say the F-gg-t word and it's okay, just a quick apology and it's all forgotten and forgiven.

    I am sick of these jocks getting free stadiums built for their billionaire owners that are paid for by the average American's sales taxes.

    80 % of success is just showing up - Woody Allen

    by Churchill on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 07:42:16 PM PST

  •  Hardaway is an asshole (1+ / 0-)
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    Simpletonian

    And Barkley is a hero.

    When do I get to vote on your marriage?

    by tvb on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 07:43:00 PM PST

  •  Charles Barkley: The Face of All Common Sense In (5+ / 0-)

    Professional Sports.

    ... we now know a lot of things, most of which, we already knew... (-dash888)

    by Tirge Caps on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 07:43:14 PM PST

  •  Never is a long time (3+ / 0-)
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    homogenius, blueoasis, Rumarhazzit

    You say an active male athlete will never come out, that hatred and disgust of homosexuals will never die.

    To which I counsel a simple statement: nothing is forever. Change will come, as sure as we all will die.    

    Hope springs eternal because our lives are not.

    •  Or to quote the Reader's Digest... (0+ / 0-)

      (How's that for an odd source at dKos)

      "The most comforting words in the bible are where it says 'And it came to pass..."--you'll note that it never says "And it came to stay...."

      Blessed are the arrogant...for they shall be really impressed with themselves.

      by homogenius on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 09:44:39 PM PST

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  •  "Never come out" ?? (0+ / 0-)

    Ever?

    Like in the year 2237?

    It was only 20 years ago that we were even allowed to barely discuss it on the air.

    Now you've got "I am not a role model" Charles Barkley laying down the law about those attitudes.

    Give it another 10 years. I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised.

    Not to say that there aren't some MAJOR issues to deal with in the meantime, i.e. gay marriage.

    But, "never" is insane.

    There is no avant-garde. There are only people who are a little late. - Edgar Varese

    by thepdxbikerboy on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 10:01:30 PM PST

  •  The joke is Hardaway (0+ / 0-)

    He just THINKS he never undressed next to a gay teammate.

    -------------------------------------------------------
    Take your protein pills and put your helmet on

    by SFOrange on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 11:56:05 PM PST

  •  Joe Valentine and the Cincinnati Reds (0+ / 0-)

    Relief Pitcher Joe Valentine who pitched for the Cincinnati Reds in 2005 has two moms and no one in the Reds locker room blinked an eye at that when it made the paper in a Mother's Day story.

    I really do not think a pro player today would be treated like Jackie Robinson was in the 1950s.  There is a lot of homophobia out there, but I really do think the media would swarm once the intolerance stories began and the homophobic position would be undermined that much more quickly as a result.

    "My name's Dr. Multimillionaire and I kicked your ass." --Rep. Steve Kagen D-WI to Karl Rove

    by walja on Mon Feb 19, 2007 at 12:56:21 AM PST

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