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Because reality has that nasty progressive bias, conservatives have again created their own, more comforting version, led by none other than Andrew, House of Schlafly. In response to that bastion of overly tolerant, anti-Americanism called the Wikipedia, we present the Conservapedia, dedicated to insuring that wingnuts young and old maintain their grip on ignorance. Let's look at a few of the evolving definitions, how about, say, global warming?

The theory is widely accepted within the scientific community despite a lack of any conclusive evidence. ...It should be noted that these scientists are largely motivated by a need for grant money in their fields. Therefore, their work can not be considered unbiased. Also, these scientists are mostly liberal athiests, untroubled by the hubris that man can destroy the Earth which God gave him.

A wiki is a sort of encyclopedia/dictionary which can be edited by users at will. This makes for some rather dizzying changes and deletions on the conservative incarnation. Here for example was the reported entire entry on Stalin, at least until it was removed out of either shame or embarrassment:

Josef Stalin was an atheist communist Russian dictator during World War II. He was defeated by Adolph Hitler, despite Hitler also being an atheist

Hitler, the ever-clever Nazi atheist, not only fooled everyone by couching his perverse ideology in the context of religion again and again, he defeated Stalin in World War II by ingeniously committing suicide while Soviet troops mopped up the last crumbling remnants of the Third Reich in 1945 Berlin.

It's a laugh a minute on the Conservapedia as the base of the GOP discovers how ungainly a resource can be, when the goal is to mislead readers with lies and deception on a venue which can be updated with actual facts and references by anyone who reads it. So go on over, check it out, help make it a success, and enjoy. This is an open thread.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 03:54 AM PST.

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  •  Liberty Film is asking for people to sign (0+ / 0-)

    Petitions AGAINST Al Gores Movie An Inconvient Truth.

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 03:56:18 AM PST

  •  This is their Justification for their Publication (10+ / 0-)

    by SECURITY on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:00:26 AM PST

  •  Liberals do it too! (5+ / 0-)

    We have our own version of the facts, too!

    As Colbert tells us, reality has a well-known liberal bias.

  •  Japan (21+ / 0-)

    Yeah, there's lots of vandalism-related jokes in there, like the Ronald Reagan entry that reads

    In one of his most famous challenges to Soviet Communism in Europe, he publicly uttered the words, "Mr. Gorbachev,it's really cold here in Russia," before the tearing down of the Berlin Wall with his bare hands, separating East and West Germany. He also introduced the idea of "Reaganomics" in which the rich would recieve tax breaks and poor people got nothing.

    But to really understand the brains behind this, lets look at 4 month old entry that has never been vandalised.

    From Conservapedia
    Jump to: navigation, search

    Group of islands of the western coast of Asia.

    That's it. One of the most under-described entries since "Earth : Harmless". And before you think this is some recent vandalism, look at the history of this page :

    Revision History :

    • (cur) (last)  12:19, 28 November 2006 PhilipB (Talk | contribs) m
    • (cur) (last) 21:54, 26 November 2006 DanielleR. (Talk | contribs)
    • (cur) (last) 20:53, 26 November 2006 JessicaS (Talk | contribs)

    -26th of November at 8:53 : Article Created
    -21:54 asia was turned into a Asia
    -28 November 2006 Asia was turned into a Hotlink.

    And since then, no-one has noticed that It says Japan is on the WESTERN coast of Asia

    I don't think it's going to be much of a threat to anyone. The internet is not a place where isolated communities thrive - examine Scientology's censorship attempts over the last 10 years.

  •  They need... (6+ / 0-)

    They need to run with that Conservapedia, no moderation for a couple months, at least. It'd be very educational, giving us a glimpse into the collective knowledge of the conservative, Internet hive-mind. Look what we've already learned about their knowledge of WWII. This is a potential gold mine, of comedic materials and derision.

  •  Wow (2+ / 0-)
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    PanzerMensch, who threw da cat

    THIS is Stephen Colbert's Wikiality.

    Must have 'conservative facts'...

  •  Sounds like nearly as much of a laugh riot.,, (2+ / 0-)
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    Phoenix Woman, rmonroe

    as Fox New conservative "Daily Show".

    " Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" Samuel Johnson

    by irate on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:10:31 AM PST

  •  It's kind of disadvantage to us (4+ / 0-)

    that the truth is on our side. We tend to rely on reality to sort everying out. They have greater sense of urgency, they have to be more determined.

  •  Here's the entry on Afrika Korps (14+ / 0-)

    The Afrika Korps led by the brilliant Nazi Field Marshall Erwin Rommel were very feared. They routed the British Army and almost took Egypt from the British. They were finally defeated when America launched Operation Torch and forced them to surrender in 1973. Embracing as they did the principles of evolutionism and Darwinism, it is unsurprising that they believed in the inferiority of their countrymen.

  •  Typical Winger tactic (4+ / 0-)
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    Phoenix Woman, bree, milton333, rmonroe

    When the facts don't fit your beliefs, make them up to fit your beliefs rather than update.

    -6.5, -7.59. All good that a person does to another returns three fold in this life; harm is also returned three fold.

    by DrWolfy on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:17:59 AM PST

  •  What is wrong with these people? (11+ / 0-)

    Seriosuly?  Why must everything be couched in their political religion?  I swear they are worse than the Soviets.  What the hell is so biased about wikipedia's entry about 555 IC timer chips, or the Apple II, or NFL rule changes for the 1968 season that they have be somehow politicized?

    What, do they need a ready-quick reference for their talking points, just in case they forget them once in awhile?

    I know these folk hate education with every breath of their soul, but WTF???

    It's time to make/edit some entries to make this site so ridiculous, even right-wingers have to disavow it!



  •  And the solution, ironically, will be evolution! (2+ / 0-)
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    milton333, rmonroe

    By all means, let them try to have their own version of reality.  Nature has shown again and again that those individuals who cannot adapt to changing environments will find themselves at the losing end.  There's a damn good reason that the vast majority of scientists lean to the political left.

  •  Should be called "Memory-hole-opedia". (1+ / 0-)
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    by Intercaust on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:20:21 AM PST

    •  Hitler was NOT an atheist (3+ / 0-)
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      Coherent Viewpoint, Dauphin, sabishi

      Hitler was a self-professed Christian.  He was educated at a monastery, confirmed in the Catholic church, and grew to greatly admire the teachings of Martin Luther as he grew older.  He hoped to unite the various branches of Protestantism into a single church, united with the German state.  Although he persecuted political dissidents, including religious figures, he persecuted them for opposing his governance, not for being religious.  He himself read extensively about Christianity and spirituality, drew from Bible for much of his public speech-making and for Mein Kampf, and passed the Nuremberg Laws that dissolved marriages between Jews and non-Jewish Germans based on anti-miscegenation laws in the Bible. He spoke of himself as a Christian and, specifically, a Catholic.  The Pope sent him birthday cards every year.  Hitler chastised and publicly contradicted the actions of two of his generals who suggested that clergy members and actively religious persons should not belong to the National Socialist Party.

      Hitler professed his faith in Jesus Christ, drew heavily from the Bible for his rhetoric (and, sorry to say, for his policies), and was regarded by his contemporaries and the heads of religious institutions as a devout Christian.

      Thought is only a flash in the middle of a long night, but the flash that means everything - Henri Poincaré

      by milton333 on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 12:30:28 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Hitler spent alot of effort collecting religous (2+ / 0-)
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    stuff... How does that make him an aethiest. Not that being an aethiest is bad...... History of Hitler tells us he was somewhat religous....

    The First Casualty In War Is The Truth.

    by Olivebranch on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:20:27 AM PST

  •  Hours of family fun! (13+ / 0-)

    This is just my first search: Ayn Rand:

    Ayn Rand was a Russian conservative philosopher, considered by her followers to be the greatest philosopher of all time, and by ignorant Marxists to be a fool. Other contenders for the title of greatest conservative philosopher are Kant and Aristotle. Rand believed she had rediscovered Aristotle after centuries of neglect (she was apparently ignorant of the whole of mediaeval scholastic philosophy), and conservative science fiction author Norman Spinrad wrote The World of Null-A, imagining a nightmare scenario in which Rand had not rediscovered Aristotle. Rand's nickname was "Avida Dollars", because (contrary to Christian morality) she believed that making money for yourself was the supreme good. This led her to reject Kant's categorical imperative, opposing it on the grounds that Aristotelian logic made synthetic a priori statements meaningless. Rand called her philosophy "objectivism", because she didn't know the name was already taken for another philosophical concept.

    Hmmm ... I think vandalism will be a problem for them ...

  •  Oh fun (10+ / 0-)

    Here's what they have to say about evolution:

    Dogs are a good example of selective breeding. ... A desired trait can be produced in dogs by selecting dogs with a particular trait to produce offspring with that trait. This specialized selective breeding can continue for generation after generation until a breed of dog is developed. This is the same as the "survival of the fittest" theory of the evolutionists.

    Well, it's great that someone read the first chapter of The Origin of Species, but it's a shame they didn't read anything else.  It's also a little pathetic to compare their simple declarative sentences to Darwin's elegant Victorian prose.

    I actually think the Conservapedia is a great idea.  Evolutionary theory applies to the marketplace of ideas too, and it will be fun to watch this little experiment go extinct.

    •  Oh, please - don't get me started. (6+ / 0-)

      Neighbor's dog NoBrains(purebred Golden Retriever) has been visiting recently.  Our dog Sir FuzzyButt wanted to go out and greet her and when I opened the door NoBrains slid right in.  Within sixty seconds, the grocery bag that had been lying on the floor for over an hour had been plundered and NoBrains was trying to wolf down a loaf of bread.

      Yes, this is where selective breeding will get you.  One purebred mutt who is amazingly well mannered for having almost no training and one purebred idiot who was obviously bred for looks, not brains.

      Perhaps there's a lesson there for conservatives - breed for ideological purity and lack of intellectual curiousity and you get George W. Bush - destroyer of the free world.

      We must never lose it, or sell it, or give it away. We must never let them take it from us.

      by Fabian on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:48:36 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  John Scopes... (6+ / 0-)

    John Scopes was just a young teacher in Tennessee when he unwittingly became a test case for promoting evolution in American schools. Tennessee had a law against teaching human evolution, and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) wanted to overturn it. It enlisted the top criminal attorney of the day, Clarence Darrow, to serve as Scopes attorney. As crafty as the day is long, he arrived in Tennessee armed with his bag of tricks.

    William Jennings Bryan, the former presidential candidate and Secretary of State, had oratorical skills second to known. His "Cross of Gold" nomination acceptance speech in 1896 is considered one of the greatest political works in American history. He united the Populist and Democratic Parties then and laid the foundation for the takeover by the Democratic Party of American politics 36 years later.

    After witnessing the horrors of World War I, Bryan became convinced that the teaching of evolution was leading society to ruination through war. "Survival of the fittest" provided an intellectual justification for the brutal killing of other nationalities and races. Bryan foresaw the ethnic cleansing that grew to its horrible culmination in the Holocaust.

    Bryan defended the Tennessee law and its application to Scopes, with its mere $100 fine as the penalty for teaching evolution. Darrow agreed to take the witness stand in favor of teaching evolution if Bryan took the witness stand against it. Bryan then testified and performed well. So well, in fact, that Darrow reneged on his promise and forced Scopes to plead guilty to end the case. With that the trial ended, and Tennessee's law remained in effect for another half century. To this day, Tennesee schools teach little evolution, and George W. Bush won the presidential election by carrying this home state of his opponent, Al Gore.

    A famous liberal reporter at the trial, H.L. Mencken, published such one-sided articles that it would make today's media blush. He excoriated Bryan at every possible turn, trying to make him look foolish. When Hollywood got into the act with a movie called "Inherit the Wind," it imitated Mencken's bias. Misinformed, many think Scopes and the evolutionists won the trial, but conservative rule in Tennessee today reflects the true outcome.

    -6.5, -7.59. All good that a person does to another returns three fold in this life; harm is also returned three fold.

    by DrWolfy on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:23:08 AM PST

    •  Don't believe what you say is true (5+ / 0-)

      [1] The judge ordered Bryan's testimony stricken from the record...he was overwhelmed by Darrow
      [2]The judge ordered the jury to return a guilty verdict without punishment[as per Darrow's request]. The judge would impose a fine of $100 and allow the defense to appeal the constitutionality of the law to a higher court.
      [3] the jury did as instructed and found Scopes guilty
      [4] The TN Supreme Court reversed the lower court's decision on a technicality. The highest court in TN also order the case dismissed
      As an aside, Bryan died a few days later. Darrow: "A man who for years fought excessive drinking, now lies dead from indigestion caused from overeating"....
      from "Attorney for the Damned" , S&S 1957

  •  Crapapedia (2+ / 0-)
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    milton333, 0wn

    Nazism was a Christian phenomena...only a couple of leading Nazis was agnostic[not Hitler although he had a couple of prominent heterodox views]...the Mormons - the few in Germany - were early supporters and the mainline Lutherans weren't far behind...The Roman Catholics signed up after money changed hands....Throughout the war, German aircraft had two Christian crosses for every swastika they sported...
    Reality is a Crutch! Heal and be free. Selah!

  •  I really can't get enough of this. (14+ / 0-)

    It's like that time I discovered xkcd and read the entire strip from start to finish.  It's like when I first discovered bittorrent and downloaded gigs of naughty pictures.  Or when I first discovered the joys of a dinner of corn dogs, orange juice, and macaroni and cheese from the Fred Meyer deli.

    It's just.. I will be amused for WEEKS!


  •  Nelson Mandela, behold the man.... (4+ / 0-)
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    asterlil, Fabian, ivorybill, turnover

    Nelson Mandela was the 11th president of South Africa. He was in office from 1994 to 1999. In 1962 he was arrested and spent 27 years in prison on conviction of sabotage with the African National Congress.

    sambadrome, gyroball...

    by hhex65 on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:31:49 AM PST

  •  Is this where (1+ / 0-)
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    George is considered the Father, the Son, AND the Holy Ghost?  Or is that Dick(less) Cheney?  I forget how it goes.

    Healing BEGINS with impeachment...(-6.00/-4.10)

    by valeria on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:34:02 AM PST

  •  George Orwell (3+ / 0-)
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    Fabian, Ice Blue, I

    I shit you not, this is the entire article:

    George Orwell
    From Conservapedia
    Jump to: navigation, search

    George Orwell was the pen name for Eric Arthur Blair (1903–1950), who was a leading English socialist writer and journalist who exposed the evils of Stalinism in two novels published near the end of his life: Animal Farm and Nineteen Eighty-Four.

    A lifelong socialist, George Orwell learned about Stalinism when he volunteered to fight the Spanish Fascist forces to keep them from overturning the democratically elected socialist government of Spain in the Spanish Civil War, 1936-1939. Taking a bullet through his neck but surviving, Orwell was dismayed the discover that Russian support for the International Brigades was curtailed in order to stockpile arms and personnel for the coming war against Germany. Also, Soviet support for the Republican effort was contingent upon the isolation of Socialist and Anarchist militias who Stalin felt threatened communist interests in western Europe. Orwell himself was a member of the POUM, in Engish, the Workers' Party of Marxist Unification.

    Orwell had only ten years left in his life when he returned. During that period he and his wife adopted a baby boy, but then Orwell's wife died shortly thereafter. In those ten years Orwell wrote his famous anti-stalinst classics described above, first spending three years on the short story Animal Farm (1944), and then perhaps five years on the longer novel 1984 (1949). He died of tuberculosis the next year.

  •  America (7+ / 0-)

    Here's another fun one:  "America"

    A group of continent's in the Western Hemisphere. They cover over 8.3% of the Earths total surface (total surface 28.4%). 14% of the human population lives in the Americas... Many people are under the notion that America equals the United States of America. But that is false.

    I wonder how many continent's (sic) cover the rest of the Earths (sic) total surface, which is 28.4% of what, exactly?

    By the way, there was no link to "United States of America". Why do conservatives hate America?  

  •  After reading some of the nonsense over at ... (9+ / 0-)

    conservapedia, I felt kind of embarassed that we could ever allow people like this to get the upper hand in American politics. On the other hand, how do you debate with people who have no concept of logic or reason?

    When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross------Sinclair Lewis

    by rmonroe on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:38:36 AM PST

  •  This emperor has no clothes (3+ / 0-)
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    I'm calling it. Maybe I'm not in on the joke, but this isn't in earnest. Funny, but fake.

    •  Insidious Plan! (1+ / 0-)
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      Coherent Viewpoint

      I've seen so much nonsense from Conservatives I can't tell if this is humor or snark or something they would truly attempt!  Honestly, I really cannot tell if this is supposed to be fake.

      I think it's really part of an insidious plan by the Neocons to keep us all off balance and confused while they pick our pockets.  Oh, wait...

      Chairman Conyers, you may call your first witness.

      by rabel on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:59:26 AM PST

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    •  I don't totally agree, (1+ / 0-)
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      but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it's a fake.  It's just too stupid.

  •  We should watch what happens to atheism (0+ / 0-)
    being and atheist, I 'believe' the entry as it now stands to be exactly correct.

    It will be interesting to see if it gets modified.

  •  My head is spinning! (29+ / 0-)

    This, from selecting 'a random page':

    From Conservapedia
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    Patriotism, or love of country, is the highest American virtue. Patriotism means unquestioning obedience and loyalty to the Leader of the country. The opposite of patriotism, treason, is the act of questioning, criticizing or voting against the Leader.

    Patriotism comes from the Latin. An ancient Latino poet wrote "Dulce et decorum est pro Patria mori", which means "It is sweet and decorative for patriots to die"[1].

    Seems to me Olberman, Stewart, and others should have free material for at least the rest of their careers.

    Life is not a 'dress rehearsal'!

    by wgard on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:44:25 AM PST

  •  Right on the main page, (10+ / 0-)

    on 'This day in History',

    February 2
    Did you know that faith is a uniquely Christian concept? Add to the explanation of what it means, and how it does not exist on other religions.

    The Faith page states that

    Some (particularly non-Christians) dilute the meaning of faith, depriving it of its power and significance. The Merriam-Webster dictionary, for example, includes this watered-down definition of faith: "a system of religious beliefs."[1] Under this meaning, any and every religion has "belief" or "faith". But faith preached uniquely by Jesus obviously refers to something far more precise than any "a system of religious beliefs," and such faith has never been preached in the same way by non-Christian religions.


    Having trouble finding stuff on Daily Kos? This page has some handy hints and tricks.

    by dmsilev on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:45:36 AM PST

  •  The section on Charles Darwin (1+ / 0-)
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    begins with this helpful tip:

    People who write articles shouldn't misspell "deathbed" and "accept," or "occurred."

    I'm not sure how that specifically pertains to Darwin. Shouldn't correct spelling be kind of a front-page item?

    "She was very young,he thought,...she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." -1984

    by aggressiveprogressive on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:46:18 AM PST

  •  AD vs CE (12+ / 0-)

    On the main page:

    Conservapedia is a much-needed alternative to Wikipedia, which is increasingly anti-Christian and anti-American. On Wikipedia, many of the dates are provided in the anti-Christian "C.E." instead of "A.D.", which Conservapedia uses. Christianity receives no credit for the great advances and discoveries it inspired, such as those of the Renaissance. Read a list of many Examples of Bias in Wikipedia.

    But then in the index:

    From Conservapedia
    Jump to: navigation, search

    Please Click Here Before Editing Any Terms

    World History
    Ancient History (Creation-500 CE)
    The Middle Ages (500 CE-1500 CE)
    The Renaissance (1300 CE-1600 CE)
    Pre Modern Era (1500 CE-1900 CE)
    Modern Era (1900 CE-Current)

  •  What's with the obsession with spelling? (3+ / 0-)
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    Did anyone notice that it's a bannable offense to use alternatives to American spelling?  It violates their list of "Commandments."

    For example, what if I had said:

    "Did anyone notice that it's a bannable offence...."
    "What an honour to read that garbage early in the morning..."

    So if you continually edit articles to change the spelling to, say, British spelling, you can be banned.

    hmmm... Reminds me of the French and their language police.

    Indifference to the sublime wonder of living is the root of sin. -- Abraham Joshua Heschel

    by countrycat on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:48:45 AM PST

  •  My first go : Jesus (16+ / 0-)

    In Christian discourse, the name Jesus almost always refers specifically to Jesus of Nazareth, believed by Christian followers to be God's dad, who came to earth as a human c 2 AD. However, God has recently revealed on His blog that Jesus is actually His nephew, not His son.

    Looks like someone's tweaking back.

    "Conservatism makes no poetry, breathes no prayer, has no invention; it is all memory." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by reef the dog on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:50:47 AM PST

  •  Some more gems (8+ / 0-)

    I'm blown away by the depth of knowledge on Islam. Here's the full text on the prophet Muhammad:

    Muhammad (A.D. 570-632) or Mohammed was the founder of Islam.

    Well, at least they know more than W when he decided to invade Iraq.  

    And they just can't - can't - keep themselves from the gratuitous insult.  Here's an excerpt from the section on Islam:

    Others have pointed to the pagan roots of various Muslim prohibitions, such as the ban on pork originating in the 3rd-century AD Damascene cult of the pig-god Jamal. [2] There is some evidence that traditional Muslim scholars have been suppressing this information as well as various recently-recovered scrolls that hint at early Muslim human sacrifice (e.g., at Uhud). [3]

    Jamal the Pig God?  Human sacrifice?  

  •  Joke? (0+ / 0-)

    It must be possible that it's only for laughs, right?

  •  I am a very very busy boy! n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  From "Bill Clinton" (2+ / 0-)
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    Obviously, he is the devil incarnate.

    "Conservatism makes no poetry, breathes no prayer, has no invention; it is all memory." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by reef the dog on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:57:14 AM PST

  •  excerpts on Bill Clinton (10+ / 0-)

    Clinton won in 1992 with 43% of the popular vote, capitalizing on public discontent with a weak economy. In his first two years in office, 1993 through 1994, Clinton failed at his massive attempt to "reform" health-care in the United States by some sort of government-backed universal health-care insurance, which would result in effective government control of the health care system. His approach consisted of appointing a planning committee with secret members to reshape this important sector of the economy. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons successfully sued to force disclosure of the committee members and ultimately to defeat the program.


    Clinton spent the remainder of his presidency combatting scandals. A special prosicutor was named to investigate Clinton for allegations of impropriety in the Whitewater real-estate scandal, an investment of Clintons in a failed real estate venture. Although nothing came out of this investigation, and it turned out that Clinton actually lost money on his investment, one of the results of the investigation was that the special prosecutor turned to investigating other Clinton activities, one of which (the Monica Lewinsky scandal) resulted in an impeachment trial. Bill Clinton managed to serve two terms without botching the prosecution of two wars, manipulating intelligence, engaging in a systematic program of torture, or mishandling the federal response to flooding of a major American city. Obviously, he is the devil incarnate. Clinton also attempted to use the American military to kill Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, an action which was properly seen as a mere attempt to distract the nation from the Monica Lewisnky scandal.

    Vandals indeed.

  •  Whitewash? (0+ / 0-)

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    "Conservatism makes no poetry, breathes no prayer, has no invention; it is all memory." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by reef the dog on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:02:05 AM PST

  •  made me want to vomit (0+ / 0-)

    thanks for the heads up on conservopedia. I think this is a shining example of everything that is wrong with this country. I am so furious I am shaking. I don't have the time or energy to edit--but their entry on Faith literally says that the Christian religion is the only religion that HAS ANY.

    I think (although dkosopedia is already in this league....) that someone needs to start a "realityopedia"

    I don't even want to be on the same planet with these #)$*#)($*)(#)((((.


    To be, rather than to seem.--NC State Motto

    by make a difference on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:02:13 AM PST

  •  Christianity inspired the Renaissance? (0+ / 0-)

    Who knew? Heh.

    No Retreat Baby, No Surrender

    by WI Dem on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:02:40 AM PST

  •  I think Winston Smith (7+ / 0-)

    has never been more perfectly actualized than by the people at Conservapedia.  They are literally dropping history down the memory hole and rewriting it to suit their purposes.

    The only way it could be worse is if these people actually ran the government.

    Oh, wait .......... shit.

  •  Lieberman will decide Iraq (0+ / 0-)

    We knew it, we fought it, and we lost.

    Do you have a child? Will you send her to the war?... anon

    by andreww on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:05:14 AM PST

  •  Here is the entire entry for Bush (1+ / 0-)
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    Is the president of the United States of America. Republican. Was elected in 2000 in a disputed election and re-elected in 2004.
    Son of president George H. W. Bush.
    The current Bush administration is a Divided Government

    "Conservatism makes no poetry, breathes no prayer, has no invention; it is all memory." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by reef the dog on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:06:36 AM PST

  •  The Industrial Revolution (5+ / 0-)
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    asterlil, Ice Blue, ivorybill, lemming22, jfm

    Seems like a big topic. Let's see what the Conserv-o-matic has to say about it:

    The industrial revolution was a big change in the economy from farming to manufacturing. It first occurred in England in the late 1700s, and slowly spread to other nations. Marvelous machines like the steam engine and telegraph were invented. Pollution was a problem for the first time because of the increase in factories.

    If an adult wrote this entry, then that person is mentally retarded. This sounds like some schoolchild's 4th grade report. People - this is not what the Internet is supposed to be doing for us.

    Every day's another chance to stick it to The Man. - dls.

    by The Raven on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:08:17 AM PST

  •  Dear Leader (3+ / 0-)
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    George W. Bush
    Is the president of the United States of America. Republican. Was elected in 2000 in a disputed election and re-elected in 2004.
    Son of president George H. W. Bush.
    The current Bush administration is a Divided Government

    That's the whole article

    Can't they even think of one good thing to say about him?


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    by dmsilev on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:11:06 AM PST

  •  You guys and gals broke it! (2+ / 0-)
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    Ice Blue, lemming22

    You guys and gals broke it! Its not working this morning. Oh well, my laptop screen didn't need any more coffee spit on it anyway. :P

  •  Writing Style at Conservapedia (3+ / 0-)
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    milton333, DarkSyde, jfm

    Thinking the above excerpts were aberrations, I perused some pages over at Conservapedia. The writing style, if you can call it that, reminds me of the kind of book reports I would write in grammar school - complete with red construction paper cover and stick-on stars. If this is what passes as their level of "scholarship", it's no wonder that most right wingers seem to be suffering from some sort of brain disorder.

    The excerpts from the Josef Stalin entry are phenomenally funny.

    Land in your hand you'll be happy on earth Then invest in the Church for your heaven.

    by Splicer on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:14:53 AM PST

  •  Freedom of Speech for stupid people (4+ / 0-)

    well it's making me remember how I first "got" how important freedom of speech is and how it works...

    My teacher said: "In order for there to be freedom of speech--it's all or nothing. Either we have it, or we don't. And that means in order for there to be freedom of speech for the "decent" people, there also has to be freedom of speech for the idiots, fanatics, and the "bad" people too."

    Case in point: conservopedia. Sigh.

    So it is my deeply held and sworn belief that I have to fight to the death if necessary to defend their right to spout this crap.

    Sigh. again.

    To be, rather than to seem.--NC State Motto

    by make a difference on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:15:13 AM PST

  •  I like the Conservapedia. (17+ / 0-)

    It is very, very good.  There are lots of good artikles.  And picture photos.  It is an important re-source and should be considered important.  It has lots of good articles.

    "Conservatism makes no poetry, breathes no prayer, has no invention; it is all memory." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by reef the dog on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:17:01 AM PST

  •  oh this is fun (0+ / 0-)

    I will enjoy hijacking their site......mmmmmmmmmmmm.......

    please tell me these aren't adults writing this.

    Reality-based? HA!whatev. not here blogroll

    by terrypinder on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:28:46 AM PST

  •  Copnservapedia has been dKos'ed!!! (1+ / 0-)
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    Can't access it!!!  Too many people are hitting it!!!  

    It's the dKos effect!!!  Oh, those bandwidth bills!!!  Poor conservapedia!!!



  •  Frickin' addictive (17+ / 0-)

    Conservapedia is just too funny.  I can't stand it.  Here's some excerpts from world history lecture 11:

    The taking root of communism in Russia during World War I was perhaps the single most important political event of the 1900s (the 20th century). It deserves greater study. Communism... embodies this basic complaint known to every child: "That’s not fair." ... Jesus taught inequality rather than equality. It is clear that demands for equality in wealth are not based on Christianity, but rather are based on non-Christian materialism.

    Jesus grew up, rejected communism and told poor people to get a life.

    On the theory of relativity:

    This theory rejects Newton’s view of gravitation and replaces it with a concept that...large masses (like the sun) bend space in a manner similar to how a finger can depress an area of a balloon. From this proposed bending of space the expression arose that "space is curved." But experiments later proved that space is flat overall. Nothing useful has even been built based on the theory of relativity... "All things are relative" became popular as atheists and others used relativity to attack Christian values.

    Oh, space is "flat"?

    The Great Depression:

    In 1920, the politically conservative President Warren Harding was elected president. He favored limited government so that free enterprise could thrive, and his economic policies benefited the nation and the world for a decade... Perhaps it was an overreaction by government that really caused the Great Depression.

    Harding-Romney in 08!

  •  Conservapedia ethics (2+ / 0-)
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    ivorybill, Coherent Viewpoint

    Is it ethical to post Conservapedia entries that reflect the most lowbrow kneejerk right-wing positions as long as they reflect authentic wingnut points of view?  Call it "Operation Archie Bunker", make the entire project self-ridiculing.

  •  The chimpenator (1+ / 0-)
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    Coherent Viewpoint

    "First, let me make it very clear, poor people aren't necessarily killers. Just because you happen to be not rich doesn't mean you're willing to kill." -- George w. Bush, Washington, DC, 05/19/2003

    "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it." - Abe Lincoln

    by munky on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:42:36 AM PST

  •  Someone needs to create an entry on lightning (2+ / 0-)
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    Coherent Viewpoint, duckpin136

    The text is already written! [1] [2]

    While you're at it, might as well create an entry on el Niño as well.

    "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

    by Geenius at Wrok on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:48:11 AM PST

  •  Conservapedia = world's first one-word oxymoron (2+ / 0-)
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    Dauphin, DrWolfy

    That sound you're hearing is Diderot spinning in his grave.

    We are the ones we have been waiting for. -Alice Walker

    by nailmaker on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:49:46 AM PST

  •  American History... (7+ / 0-)

    Part II

    In 1692, Salem Witch trials. There was a panic that some girls, just about your age, were practicing witchcraft. Girls were prosecuted for this. Some were convicted and then executed. The authorities thought that these criminal prosecutions would help expose the ways of the devil for the benefit of everyone. Then someone observed that killing all these people may itself the work of the devil. Finally one of the accused said that the wife of the governor was also a witch. Then they put a stop to the prosecutions and freed everyone who was still alive. The whole episode did not make the Puritans look very good.

    Tea Act of 1773. Large British tea company lobbied for and obtained monopoly rights from the England. EXPLAIN MONOPOLY. Had a huge inventory of tea. Received an exception from the tea tax and proceeded to import this huge inventory to Boston Harbor, where it would undersell the colonial merchants. The Puritans up there in Massachusetts were outraged. They tried to have the tea turned back to England, but the royally appointed governor refused. Led by Samuel Adams, a group of roughnecks dressed up as Indians and went on board the ship, and dumped all of its tea into Boston Harbor. It had the entire night to do it.

    and then down at the bottom

    Assignment: Enter or improve at least 10 topics relating to this lecture, which are highlighted below (or you can highlight terms that have not yet been highlighted). Example topics are "William Pitt" or "Benedict Arnold." Simply input one of those or another historical term in the upper-left hand box and click "Go". If the term does not yet exist, then click the link to enter a description. If the term is already described, then improve the description or enter another historical term.
    The instructor will be evaluate your work based the number and quality of the entries, with feedback provided on your "Talk" page here. At the end of this course there will be recognition and ranking of the top students. Examinations will only be provided to students who complete these assignments. The next lecture will be posted when sufficient terms are filled in for this lecture.


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    by dmsilev on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:51:08 AM PST

  •  They're Hannifacts! (4+ / 0-)

    You may dispute the accuracy, but someone has to collect all the Hannifacts!  You can't expect a young godly conservative to remember all of this on their own!

  •  My Favorite Find So Far.... (9+ / 0-)

    Evolution is a Racist Philosophy

  •  erasmussimo blurbed it.. (2+ / 0-)
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    Coherent Viewpoint, Dauphin

    last night as well on the diaries... what a joke this thing is, albeit a scary one indeed...

    I do not know if we should laugh, cry or both.


  •  Roman History (2+ / 0-)
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    Coherent Viewpoint, Dauphin

    On Jesus' legal difficulties:

    Roman Law developed in a rational and flexible manner, though obviously it failed Jesus, who was not a Roman citizen, during His trial.

    Ouch... If you are not a citizen, no due process for you.  

    On Gladiators and television:

    The aphorism "idle time is the work of the devil" applied to the people of Rome. For entertainment, people would go to the Colosseum and watch people (at one time, Christians) be fed to lions, or see two gladiators fight each other until one died... It was like everyone now spending hours each day watching murder on television, except it was real then. Nothing gets done, and what the people are watching becomes increasingly immoral.

    Watching people die in Iraq on Fox News is not "real"?  

    Diocletian also imposed wage and price controls to halt inflation. That economic regulation, which almost always fails, is still attempted by modern rulers, such as the United States President during World War II and even President Nixon in the early 1970s.

    So the President Who Cannot Be Named (FDR) and Nixon actually resorted to wage and price controls?  Interestingly, FDR and Diocletian's reforms actually worked pretty well.  

  •  Don't tar all Schlaflys. One brews good beer! (1+ / 0-)
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    Established 1991, Tom Schlafly's here. was the first brewpub in Missouri.

    Tom's Aunt Phyllis lives just up the road, in Alton, Illinois.

  •  What happens... (4+ / 0-)

    When a few Kos readers head over for a laugh at Conservapedia.

    That's right, their site slows....way....down....

    They'll probably accuse us of using bots for a denial of service attack.

    "Oh no! We can't read lies! (Maybe we can't read at all!) Let's listen to the president to get our daily dose of bullshit."

  •  Holocaust (4+ / 0-)

    The Holocaust was the massacring of the Jewish race during World War II. The Germans are not to blame for this but the Nazi are. Besides 6 million Jews dying, 3 million Christians were killed also along with many priests and nuns. This is a very touchy subject for the Jews and is not often discussed amongst them.

    What an insult!  If it wasn't pathetic, it might be funny.

    If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. --Mark Twain

    by Desert Rose on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:23:31 AM PST

  •  Brilliant! (0+ / 0-)

    Fucking brilliant find!

  •  Wow. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Desert Rose, Dauphin

    Just wow.

    The new 1/2 Hour News Hour Show should just read from this hilarious website.  It's a hell of a lot funnier than their show is.

    Better yet, get Jon Stewart to read from it.

    Freedom is always at the beginning and not at the end. - Jiddu Krishnamurti

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:27:47 AM PST

  •  There's no entry on "Iraq" (0+ / 0-)

    Does that mean it never happened...?

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."

    by vawolf on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:27:51 AM PST

  •  Winston Smith must work there... (2+ / 0-)
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    Fabian, Dauphin

    ...and has not yet met Julia.

    I wish they would stop using '1984' as a reference book.

    Obama: He's No Funky Negro - James Wolcott

    by Terrapin on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:34:49 AM PST

  •  My entry for John Stewart Mill (2+ / 0-)
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    Hannibal, Dauphin

    "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. "

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

    by calipygian on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:37:57 AM PST

  •  Conser-vapid-ia n/t (0+ / 0-)

    If we ever leave Iraq, that is a defeat for us. - Stephen Colbert

    by kitebro on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:40:48 AM PST

  •  can I go in and create (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    milton333, Dauphin

    a page about atheist conservatives?  I mean, they DO exist after all.

    Freedom is always at the beginning and not at the end. - Jiddu Krishnamurti

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:45:25 AM PST

  •  It's hilarious... (2+ / 0-)
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    drumwolf, Dauphin
    ...the GOP thinks everything created "by the people, for the people" is "anti-American."

    This is just further proof that they don't understand democracy.

    In TX-32, visit Sessions Watch to keep an eye on Pete Sessions

    by CoolOnion on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 07:30:10 AM PST

  •  I'm just sayin... (0+ / 0-)

    Association of American Physicians & Surgeons is on the quackwatch list of "Questionable organizations"

    The Andrew Schlafly listed in the whois db seems to be their lawyer.

    He claims to be Harvard MCL and editor of the Law Review. Kinda brings Obamas academic credentials into the sights of a potential "tidy bowl/ Harvard lawyers for truth" attack...

      Andrew Schlafly
      521 Fifth Ave. - 17th Floor
      New York, New York 10175
      United States

      Registered through:
      Domain Name: CONSERVAPEDIA.COM
         Created on: 28-Aug-06
         Expires on: 29-Aug-07
         Last Updated on:

      Administrative Contact:
         Schlafly, Andrew
         521 Fifth Ave. - 17th Floor
         New York, New York 10175
         United States
         (212) 292-4510

      Technical Contact:
         Schlafly, Andrew
         521 Fifth Ave. - 17th Floor
         New York, New York 10175
         United States
         (212) 292-4510

      Domain servers in listed order:

    The biggest threat to America is not communism, it's moving America toward a fascist theocracy... -- Frank Zappa

    by NCrefugee on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 07:34:19 AM PST

  •  Throwing academic caution to the wind (2+ / 0-)
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    Coherent Viewpoint, Statius

    ..or perhaps to the garbage disposal.

    One of the cautions about using Wikipedia as a reference source is that its content is, by definition, subject to changing whims.  It is too unreliable to be used a primary source.

    So how do conservatives view academic aspects of Conservapedia:  Why, it is intended to be used college reference source, of course!

    Eagle Forum is connected with Eagle Forum University, which offers conservative-oriented online courses on topics such as American History 101. Eagle Forum University courses make use of Conservapedia, a nascent wiki-based online encyclopedia with a conservative point of view.  from Wikipedia(!)

    Ghastly. But only if you care about receiving a quality education, of course.

  •  While there's great humor here, (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Coherent Viewpoint, Dauphin

    I'm mostly disturbed and appalled.  Oh my.

    Our great democracies still tend to think that a stupid man is more likely to be honest than a clever man. -- Bertrand Russell

    by Statius on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 07:37:07 AM PST

  •  also note. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Hannibal, Statius

    Don't dare post this on Slashdot if you want to keep playing with it.

    It will fall right over.

    The biggest threat to America is not communism, it's moving America toward a fascist theocracy... -- Frank Zappa

    by NCrefugee on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 07:37:44 AM PST

  •  Long cut and paste on pearl harbor (0+ / 0-)

    Was it wrong for him to allow the attack in order to wake up the American public and motivate Americans to fight and win the war?
    From Conservapedia
    Jump to: navigation, search

    Absolutely not. The attack was necessary to gird the hearts and loins of patriotic but unmotivated Americans to win the war against un-American forces. The 3000 innocents killed were a tragic loss, to be sure, but without them a terrible dictator would still be gassing his own people, and developing weapons to use against us. These are the terrible but necessary choices a Commander-in-chief must make.


    Did he really?! I havn't heard of this but will research it. If he did know thEn he was wrong.


    Are you sure that would be wrong if Roosevelt did know? I think effective war strategy makes those kind of decisions. In chess it's called a "gambit".

    --Aschlafly 10:46, 1 January 2007 (EST)

       I'm guessing that "him" was Franklin D. Roosevelt and "the attack" was Pearl Harbor. The conditions leading up to Pearl Harbor are extremely controversial and I don't think the idea that Roosevelt knew is accepted as fact.

       However, there is an incident, about which there's no doubt, that raises a similar moral question.

           Oops. I take it back. There is doubt. Oh, well. I read about this in Anthony Cave-Brown's book, Bodyguard of Lies, but apparently its truth has been questioned. Well, here's the story anyway: Dpbsmith 12:24, 1 January 2007 (EST)

       During the Second World War, the Allies broke the German coding system known as "Enigma," a fascinating story involving the early development of computers and Alan Turing. The Germans did not know the code had been broken. The Allies were therefore continually faced with the moral dilemma of whether or not to act on the information they decrypted. If they were to act on it too often, the Germans would suspect the code had been broken and change the coding system, stopping the flow of information.

       In November of 1940, the Allies learned, through a decrypted message, that the Germans intended to conduct an air raid on Coventry. They decided that it was more important to keep the secret of Ultra, their decrypting system, and therefore did not warn Coventry or take any protective measures. Germany attacked with three hundred bombers, killing over five hundred people, destroying tens of thousands of homes and a medieval cathedral. Dpbsmith 12:24, 1 January 2007 (EST)

           Dpbsmith describes the dilemma extremely well. I've been meaning to add an entry on the Enigma, and hope to do so this afternoon.

           I don't have a definite view about how to solve this dilemma. It's a good topic for debate and discussion. What's your view, Dpbsmith?

           I do think it's clear that Roosevelt had advance warning of the Pearl Harbor attack, by the way. I think we may have moved one key aircraft carrier or battleship out of the way (moving more ships would have tipped the Japanese). Also, simply radar would have given us an hour's notice, and 2,400 sailors need not have died unless as a gambit for a greater objective.--Aschlafly 13:28, 1 January 2007 (EST)

               I thought the incoming Japanese aircraft were seen on radar, but the radar operator couldn't believe they were really being attacked and misidentified them as an expected flight of incoming B17's? Dpbsmith 17:42, 1 January 2007 (EST)

                   Boy, that sounds very odd! But you may be right, and I have not researched this further.--Aschlafly 17:44, 1 January 2007 (EST)

                       Don't you think it would be good if you research these things BEFORE you present them as fact?

                       Here is a section from A Patriot’s History of the United States, by Larry Schweikart and Michael Allen that addresses the matter:

    Did Roosevelt Have Advance Knowledge About the Pearl Harbor Attack?

    "Even as the last smoke billowed from the sinking ships in Hawaii, many people were asking how the United States could have been so unprepared. Historian Charles Tansill suggested that the debacle could only have could only have occurred with Franklin Roosevelt’s foreknowledge. Clearly, if a president in possession of advance warning had allowed hundreds of sailors and soldiers to die in a surprise attack, it would have constituted high treason. Why would any chief executive permit such a strike? In his famous book, Back Door to War (1952), Tansill accused Roosevelt of allowing a Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor to provide the United States with the motivation and justification to enter the war against Hitler in Europe. ...but little new evidence was provided over the years until the 1980s, when John Tolland published Infamy, wherein he claimed to have located a navy witness who, while on duty in San Francisco, received transmissions locating Japanese carriers and forwarded the information to Washington. Adding to Toland’s revelations, a "Notes and Documents" piece in the American Historical Review disclosed that the FBI had acquired information from an Axis double agent named Duskow Popov ("Tricycle"), who had information on a microdot about the attack. Although Tolland and others maintained that Popov’s documents included a detailed plan of the Japanese air attack, it did no such thing. Tricycle’s data dealt almost exclusively with buildings and installations, but had nothing on ships, aircraft scouting patterns, or any of the rather important items that one would expect from a "detailed plan." In 1981, Asian historian Gordon Prange published At Dawn While We Slept; following his death, his students Donald Goldstein and Katherine Dillon completed his work with new Pearl Harbor claims in Pearl Harbor: The Verdict of History. The authors found Toland’s mystery sailor, Robert Ogg, who empathetically rejected Toland’s assertion that he had said that he had intercepted massive Japanese radio traffic. Meanwhile, Documents acquired from Japanese archives raised a more serious problem for the conspiracy theorists because they proved that the Japanese fleet had been under strict radio silence during the voyage to Pearl Harbor. The controversy refused to go away. In1999, Robert B. Stinnet’s Day of Deceit revived the argument that Roosevelt had prior knowledge of the attack with important new code-breaking information. But the crucial pieces of "evidence" that Stinnet employed often proved the opposite of what he claimed. He used precise intelligence terms—code breaking, interception, translation, analysis—interchangeably, which produced massive errors: An intercepted document is not necessarily broken, and if intercepted and broken, it may not be translated, and if intercepted and broken, and translated, it may not be analyzed for days, weeks, or even years. Some intercepts from November 1941 were indeed broken, but were not translated or analyzed until...1945! The entire argument of the revisionists hinges on the notion that FDR couldn’t get into the war with Germany without pretext. But Roosevelt had already had ample cause if he’d wanted to, to ask for a declaration of war against Germany. Nazi U-boats had sunk American ships, killed American sailors, and in all ways shown themselves hostile. Against a nation that declared war on Mexico over a handful of Cavalry troopers or that had declared war on Spain for the questionable destruction of a single ship, Germany had long since crossed the line needed for a declaration of war. ...Pearl Harbor was a Tragedy, but not a conspiracy. [1]

    --Chris 11:18, 31 January 2007 (EST)

    Mr. Schlafly, DPBSmith is right about the Japanese bombers appearing on the American radar screen. (Air Raid- Pearl Harbor!) American leaders, even those in the military, did not believe that an initial Japanese attack would come on Pearl Harbor. They believed such an attack would come on the Philippines, Wake Island, or Midway Island. As a matter of fact, the US carriers Lexington and Enterprise were ferrying F4F Wildcat fighter planes to further fortify Midway and Wake. Even the Secretary of War did not believe the news when it reached him. He exclaimed, "This can't be true! This must mean the Philippines!" --DuncanB 14:39, 9 January 2007 (EST)

      1. ↑ A Patriot’s History of the United States Pages 594-595

    Our great democracies still tend to think that a stupid man is more likely to be honest than a clever man. -- Bertrand Russell

    by Statius on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 07:47:54 AM PST

  •  NJ Conservatives (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    milton333, Hannibal

    Their homepage says it's been accessed only about 37,000 times, but the thing is so damn slow (30+ seconds to get a page, or timeouts) under the "crush" presumably from this morning's features in DKos and , which a decent website should handle in a second or so.

    Conservapedia began in November 2006, as the class project for a World History class of 58 advanced homeschooled and college-bound students meeting in New Jersey.

    I'd like to know more about this "World History" class in NJ. Is publishing a politically biased reference paid for by NJ or American taxpayers, hidden in the murky underbelly of "homeschooling" ("brainwashing")? Which college is eating these protofascists up, Bob Jones? Or some other brainwash tank sucking at the public tit, while biting it with every fake "Conservative" grin?

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 07:49:58 AM PST

  •  heh... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    milton333, Coherent Viewpoint

    maybe now the person who keeps replacing my "anti-abortion" with "pro-life" wording will no longer visit wikipedia!

  •  Can we Schlafly for not telling us he's a nut? (0+ / 0-)

    A couple of papers he wrote:

    "Legal Implications of a Link Between Abortion and Breast Cancer"

    "Had an abortion? Call an attorney"

    These are listed under the heading "Can you sue your doctor for not telling you about the abortion breast cancer link?"

  •  Aw shucks! You broke it! (0+ / 0-)

    Maybe they have the same web host as the Lieberman campaign had last summer.  Or something.  Don't know if it can't handle the traffic or what.  But now all I can get is a "Problem loading page" message.  (And I even took the precaution of cutting and pasting the link, rather than clicking through from here.)

    Oh, Darksyde, you diabolical fiend!!  (And what a find - if only I could read the durned thing!)

  •  But Hitler Did Beat Stalin (2+ / 0-)
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    Dauphin, jfm

    That's right.  Hitler beat Stalin by flying the Soviet flag off of the Reichstag building while Berlin lay in utter ruin, patrolled by the Soviet losers' tanks.  I mean, if Stalin had won, there might have been Soviet domination of Germany and Eastern Europe after the war, which I guess the "atheist" (actually, Austrian Catholic in good standing with Rome, never excommunicated) Hitler prevented through his victory.

    Here's a picture of Hitler's victory over Stalin's Soviet Army.

    What I cannot figure out is whether the Conservapedia is happy or sad about Hitler's defeat of Stalin. They ought to take a stand.

    Fucking liberals never understand military history.


    Make Crablaw Maryland Weekly your source for Maryland news and commentary. (-1.88/-5.69)

    by tbrucegodfrey on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 08:32:10 AM PST

  •  Onion! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Hannibal, Dauphin

    I get it ... it's all a special issue of The Onion...

  •  "Awful Link of the Day" on (1+ / 0-)
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    Coherent Viewpoint

    Conservapedia (thanks MarvinMouse) - You might have been under the impression that Wikipedia is the free encyclopedia run by a kingdom of maladjusted nerds with superiority complexes, but you'd be wrong: it's a liberal wonderland bent on oppressing christians and conservatives. That article about what hat Snorlax wore in epsiode 322 of Pokemon wasn't giving Republicans a fair shake and thus Conservapedia was born......

    Hooray! Just what the world needed, an encyclopedia that gives you the truth you want to hear! I guess that darn Wikipedia was just too darn accurate what with its articles about "President George Ballface Washington" and "Oprah FUCKFUCKFUCK Winfrey". Although I bet the article discussion pages on Conservapedia will be pretty hilarious.

    That site (Conservapedia, not SomethingAwful) is just begging to be crashed by vandals, many of whom I'm sure won't even be progressives or anti-conservative but just plain apolitical miscreants.

    Wow.  Contemporary American conservatism takes yet another step further towards its status as a totalitarian ideology, like Stalinism, National Socialism or Scientology.

  •  Now you've done it. (0+ / 0-)

    All the traffic you've sent Conservapedia has collapsed their server which apparently was being run from a commodore64.

    Can anybody else get through?

    There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. - Robert Benchley

    by dj angst on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 09:07:49 AM PST

  •  Shouldn't parents that home school (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    milton333, Dauphin

    have to pass some sort of test?

    And you know what, it is these people who are having lots of babies.

    I weep for our future.

    -6.5, -7.59. All good that a person does to another returns three fold in this life; harm is also returned three fold.

    by DrWolfy on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 09:47:32 AM PST

  •  Conservapedia Has a Number of Great Articles (4+ / 0-)

    Conservapedia has a number of great articles and it has already taught me a lot. For example, did you know there is a Law of Mass Conversation? Or that kangaroos come from the Middle East? Or that the First Amendment is based on the Gospel of John. I've collected some of the highlights here.

    •  I read your site every day. (0+ / 0-)

       You, sir, are a breath of God-Fearing conservative sanity in a world overrun with godless, lefty, communist heathens... who also eat puppies.
        God Bless you, sir.

      Uh oh... I just had a thoughtcrime.

      by Starve2Act on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 11:47:38 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  very very scary (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    If we can't agree on some basic frame of reference, even just one common dictionary to use, we're really not a single People anymore, and we're really never going to be one again. Once con-swervatives have consolidated their own private, loaded, language; and their own biased, loaded, interpretation of history, what can be done??

    What next, a con-swervative periodic table of the elements? Con-swervative physics textbooks??

    Good for us blue-state types that we've got all the money-making potential and smart people. Maybe righties could all be repatriated to "dixie" and we could go back to our ante-bellum configuration - I'd let'em have their own encyclopedia, if they weren't dragging it around, dirtying up the public discourse where I live with it.

    •  Hey, hey, hey... (0+ / 0-)

       Let's just nip all that "repatriated to 'Dixie'" stuff right now.  I'm originally from Texas and can say with authority that there are at least 27 progressives in the Old South.
       I suggest shipping them to Australia.

      Uh oh... I just had a thoughtcrime.

      by Starve2Act on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 11:51:24 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  How about our 37th president? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Coherent Viewpoint

    Here's the entry under "Richard Nixon":

    Richard Nixon (1913–1994) was a dominant political figure in American politics after World War II. As a Congressman from California, he investigated communists and instigated the successful prosecution of Alger Hiss. Nixon served as Vice President under President Eisenhower from 1953 to 1961, and lost his first presidential race to John F. Kennedy by a tiny margin. In 1968 he won the election to president, and was reelected in 1972 by a landslide, but had to resign the following year due to a threat of impeachment by Congress for the Watergate scandal.

    President Nixon established the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and was the first President to visit communist (Red) China.

    He appointed a conservative (William Rehnquist), two moderates Warren Burger and Lewis Powell) and a liberal (Harry Blackmun) to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Nixon was from a Quaker family.

    But wait - there's an entry under "Nixon," too, and it's, like, WAY better -

    Richard Milhous Nixon (January 9, 1913 – April 22, 1994) was the 37th President of the Christian United States, serving from 1969 to 1974. He was the 36th Christian Vice President of the United States from 1953 to 1961, in the administration of Christian Dwight D. Eisenhower. Nixon is the only person elected twice to the offices of vice president and president, and the only president to have resigned from the office of president. He also is the only President to have spent hours speaking to the presidential portraits in the White House.

    Nixon's Christian foreign policy as president was marked by détente with the atheistic Soviet Union and the opening of diplomatic relations between the United States and the People's Republic of China. His centrist domestic policies combined conservative Christian rhetoric and liberal action in civil rights, environmental and economic initiatives. As a result of the Watergate scandal, Nixon resigned the presidency in the face of likely impeachment by the United States House of Representatives. His successor, Gerald Ford, issued a controversial pardon that cleared him of any wrongdoing.

    Nixon was a Christian; however, like many Christians after he died he went straight to Hell.

    Oh, this is rich...

  •  And some moments of Conservapedia brevity... (0+ / 0-)

    Here's "Jimmy Carter," in its entirety:

    Jimmy Carter was the 39th President of the United States. He was a democrat who served from 1977-1981, after being the governor of Georgia. Unfortunately, his method of leading was not compatible with Congress, as a result he couldn’t get things done. During his presidency he experienced many trying problems such as inflation, energy crisis and worst of all the taking of American citizens as hostages by Iran. In 2002 he was awarded the Nobel Prize for peace.

    Too long and complex for you? How about "Roe v. Wade":

    The 1973 Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion.

    Still too complex? That's OK, too...

    There is no page titled "Franklin D. Roosevelt". You can create this page.

  •  The kids wrote this (0+ / 0-)

    Most of the entries were clearly written by the kids themselves. Let's cut them a break. At least they're learning how to use Internet 2.0.

  •  At least they're concise... (0+ / 0-)

    Roman Empire
    From Conservapedia
    Jump to: navigation, search
    An empire started by the Romans that stretched from British Isles 41 B.C., to Northern Africa 146 B.C., to Armenia 42 B.C.

    The Roman Empire built roads that connected roads that connected with the Silk Road.

    Uh oh... I just had a thoughtcrime.

    by Starve2Act on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:21:04 PM PST

  •  You can't update (0+ / 0-)

    a venue which can be updated with actual facts and references by anyone who reads it

    Sadly, no. You have to log in to edit, and you can't self-serve an account. Presumably accounts are created by whoever is In Charge. Yes, they use MediaWiki software, but they have locked down the configuration. They should have locked down the access too.

    Of course, somebody with absolutely no ethics could guess a password, and the history function provides plenty of usernames to try. For extra points, there is a user "Aschlafly". Not that I would ever condone such a thing.

  •  That was actually funny. (0+ / 0-)

    Maybe it's the beer laughing, but I got a kick out of it.

    (-7.12, -4.15)¡No Pasarán!

    by pilgrim99 on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:32:10 PM PST

  •  It's a joke, right? (0+ / 0-)

    I can't stop laughing.

  •  Iraq War (0+ / 0-)

    "There is no page titled 'iraq war'. You can create this page."

    Any takers?

  •  The South's secession is still being debated (0+ / 0-)

    Formerly doing business as

    by respectisthehub on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:28:47 PM PST

  •  Hitler Vs Stalin (0+ / 0-)

    Don't mock Hitler's stunning victory over Stalin!  That's exactly the sort of victory Bush is aiming for in his War on Terrorism.

  •  Global warming is China, Russia, and India's baby (0+ / 0-)


    India, China, and Russia account for 25% of all Global emissions and only 7% of all Global GDP.  The USA accounts for 25% of global GDP and only 24% of all emissions.  This proves that the real problem is Russia, China, and India.

    It is time we apply pressure to these dirty countries to adopt the USa model.  If they did, we would reduce global emissions by roughly 18% overnight.  Nothing we do in the USA could come close to that.

    We talk about reducing our emissions by 20% or so over 10 years.  That equates to only a 4.5% reduction in Global emissions for a ton of $$.  The real problem isn't the USA.  It is time we focus our energy on Russia, China, and India.

    Many get it wrong and try to equate emissions to population which is wrong.  It is a function of output (GDP).  This shows once again that Russia, China, and India are failing the global community.  Sure the USA can do better, but we are doing very well compaired to our dirty neihbors!!

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