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I just read an interesting article in the NY Times called . For Illegal Immigrants, Housing Slump Takes Toll What they talk about is illegal immigrants working in construction jobs at wages of $25.00 to $35.00 an hour.
 Now just stop...take a deep breath... and listen very carefully.
                            Ready now...
 Weren’t we being told by the Republican Party and George W. "Bust", that these illegal immigrants were "Doing the jobs the Americans won’t do"! You Know like picking lettuce, or "cor-r-rn", as our "leader" likes to say.

 Now if I’m not mistaken when I was a kid, a construction job was considered one of the best jobs you could get in America!
 I wonder when Americans walked away from wanting a job that pays $25.00 to $35.00 an hour.
 Another item in the article if you read between the lines is that the amount of unemployment related to the housing industry shows barely any change.
         Now clear your head and ponder what that means...
                               Got it?
 For those of you a little slower on the uptake what it means is this. The housing industry is one of the largest employment fields in the country, now you had a severe decline in the construction of new homes but yet the unemployment statistics show everything is just "hunky dory". Now why is that?
 Because that means that illegal aliens are taking almost all the jobs in the construction field that pay $25.00 to $35.00 an hour, and because they are illegal, they get paid off the books and they never show up as a worker in the first place! They were never there...even though you see them remember "These are not the droids you are looking for".
 I find it ver-r-r-r-ey... ver-r-r-r-ey funny that Americans don’t want to work for $25.00 to $35.00 an hour...
                               DON'T YOU!!!

Originally posted to FoundingFreedoms com on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 06:38 AM PDT.

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  •  Welcome Loe Dobbs (12+ / 0-)

    Wondered when you would get here.

    Or, in case you are a bit slower on the uptake, this is a steaming pile of manure.

    •  yeah! (0+ / 0-)

      Hi Lou.
      great comment stevej.

      Maybe it's because the people with the higher pay are SKILLED at something.  a very Right wing concept. Money money money
      You pay for something you need.
      Need a expert finisher you have to pay for it because if you don't the skilled craftsman will go to another job. Duh

      it is still about a job Americans WON'T DO.

  •  It's useful to follow links (8+ / 0-)

    The article talks about one illegal who earned $25 an hour running a roofing crew and another who earned $25-35 leading a construction team.  That is, both were supervisors, have been in the country for years, and would probably have legal status -- perhaps even citizenship -- if it were available.

    The other immigrants interviewed for the story all earned less than $15 an hour doing construction work.

    •  More anecdotal evidence masquerading (5+ / 0-)

      as statistics. Like the guy yesterday suggesting that illegals somehow get bumped to the head of the line at hospital ER's.

    •  So you won't work for $15 an hour? or $25 or $35 (0+ / 0-)

      It also depends on what part of the country your in because in the North East the pay scale starts at $15.00 an hour, and up.
      Which is more than twice that of the Wal-Mart starting pay scale, which, is the scale that a good amount of the jobs created under George W. Bust are
        Also this was one reporter in one place, now let's multiply that by every city and see how the numbers start to add up?
      So I ask again...
       As an American... Is $25.00 To $35.00 an hour not enough for you???
       Even at $15.00 I am sure that there are plenty of Legal Americans who would Work For That Wage, considering how many millions of people are earning only minimum wage.

    •  lagging indicator (4+ / 0-)
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      Heiuan, serrano, lams712, zashvil

      from the linked article:

      The nation’s great housing bust has not shown up so far in official employment data. According to the Labor Department, employment in residential construction has declined by only 28,000 jobs — or some 3 percent — since its peak last fall.
      ...snip..

      Mr. Seiders suggested that reported employment might not be falling as starkly as other statistics because builders do not employ construction workers directly. Instead, they use subcontractors to build different parts of a development. These often use labor contractors, who may also turn to subcontractors to fill their crews.

      José Carlos J., José Manuel’s nephew, has not formally lost his job as a roofer. But the contractor he works for has hardly called him in recent months. "Since November I’ve laid only four roofs," he said.

      •  I think the problem with this entire (2+ / 0-)
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        article is a methodoligical assumption --I believe employment statistics are based on numbers of people filing for unemployment compensation. No one goes out and counts the number of people who are actually working. And there are all sorts of reasons why the kinds of workers who do construction may not be filing for unemployment, many of which have nothing to do with their national ancestry. Once you remove the methodological assumption, then all this article contains are some anecdotes which feed common prejudices.  

    •  I've been a Construction bookkeeper (2+ / 0-)
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      litho, Duke1676

      for almost 20 years.  In the South Florida area where I worked I can tell you that the only construction "workers" making close to $25+/hr were the senior crew supervisors.  Average wage in my neck of the woods for a regular worker was $12-$15/hr give or take a buck.  Not a shitty wage, but definitely not a gravy train.

      Easy way to get the average wage is to check out the certified payroll requirements for any government construction project in your area.  I can tell you in S. Fl, it wasn't $25/hr.

      This diarist is misguided.

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      by Heiuan on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 09:49:29 AM PDT

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  •  "Take a deep breath"? (2+ / 0-)
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    Duke1676, serrano

    oy

  •  don't want to pay federal or retirement taxes (1+ / 0-)
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    lams712

    you only have to barely scratch to find out HOW these people may be getting paid.  Are they being taxed at the proper rate?  is any of the money getting to the treasury?  are the employers deducting taxes that they simply pocket?  are the immigrants using fake social security numbers and employers are trying to do the honest thing?

    There are alot of sides and angles to this story that are being willfully kept gray and murky.  Without a doubt there are a ton of employers that are probably happy to pay $25-35/hour if they can 'save' $10/hour on taxes.  

    On the other hand, you have small time farmers in MN getting raided with guns to there heads accused of hiring illegal immigrants, when they tried to do the right thing and all of their workers paperwork seemed to be in order.  No ryme or reason to any of it.

  •  This diary is such BS ! (2+ / 0-)
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    Duke1676, Elvis meets Nixon

    Give us some statistics that tell us where these construction jobs are that pay $25 - $35 an hour.

    Until I retired I was a builder and never paid even the most skilled professionals anywhere near that.  My son is a foreman rearranging the terrain and building the roads and pads for homes in what will be a small village when it is finished. He is highly skilled in operating all heavy construction equipment and in training and managing workers.  He does not make that kind of money.

    It is true that many workers (regardless of color) are lazy, whine a lot, and think they are worth more than they are being paid. The Hispanics we have had experience with work very hard, are not too good to get dirty, and are eager to learn.  They take pride in doing the job quickly and correctly.

    While I am against illegal immigration, I must point out that the work ethic of the native born worker leaves much to be desired. Without an infusion of new and energetic blood our once great country will suffer. Americans are not what they used to be.  We are fat, pampered, lazy, and have an overinflated view of ourselves.

    •  I to work in the housing field for over 30 years (0+ / 0-)

      I to work in the housing field for over 30 years and once you have an interpreter to communicate with your work force your OK. But if you ask them to do something in English you get a polite smile and a nodding but no work gets done till someone tells them in Spanish what you need done. Then once it is done they wait to be told to do something else, because they can’t communicate with you so they wait and do nothing, till they are told to do something else, again through an interpreter.
      I was on one job site where 3 girls were cleaning a standard French door that had a spray shield on it and the were trying to clean the spray shield rather then removing it, no matter how many time the owner or myself tried to show them to just remove it nothing happened till someone told them in Spanish what to do.
      So let’s see 3 Spanish girls cleaning one French door for 1 ½ hours makes perfect sense right?
      I think Not!
      People standing around whom you can’t communicate with on a jobs site with many inherited dangers makes a lot of sense as well.
      I have nothing against Hispanic people but, don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s rain, I see it every day in the field.

      •  Sometimes I feel guilty, but not too often (0+ / 0-)

        I've gotten a couple of jobs over more qualified Monolingual candidates because I can speak Spanish & communicate with warehouse workers.

        Go ahead and Troll Rate me for being racist, but I have run into cases where guys who supposedly did not speak English suddenly found a previously unknown ability because they did not want to listen to my horrible Gringo accent.

      •  You're bigoted. (1+ / 0-)
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        litho

        Any supervisor worth their salt who had crew members standing around for 90 minutes not doing anything would have sent them home.  Any supervisor worth their salt would make sure the work crews had someone on them that speaks English.  

        As someone who had to implement construction contracts, I can tell you that this is being written into the subcontracts.  You hire a sub, their crews must have at least one member who speaks fluent English.  If the GC can't instantly communicate with a crew, they're gone from the site.

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        by Heiuan on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 09:58:19 AM PDT

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    •  And that's just the bottom of the totem pole (0+ / 0-)

      We are fat, pampered, lazy, and have an overinflated view of ourselves.

      And our corporate bosses rake in trillions for doing absolutely nothing.  We reward sloth and deception.  

      Personally, I would love if Americans arose from their slumber and remembered the value of hard labor & manufacturing.  It's kinda hard to envision that occurring with so much offshoring & outsourcing going on.  People would rather retreat behind their playstations and 24oz beers.  

  •  If you can believe the Salt Lake Tribune (0+ / 0-)

    The Salt Lake Tribune reported, and I can look for a link if you want, that a guy had worked his way up from busboy to chef and one of the restaurants in Park City that the movie stars go to during the Sundance Festival.

    The article said that he made $15 an hour.

    The Salt Lake Tribune is fairly liberal or it would be more accurate to say, it's liberal for Utah.

  •  They do pay taxes (2+ / 0-)
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    litho, Duke1676

    Because that means that illegal aliens are taking almost all the jobs in the construction field that pay $25.00 to $35.00 an hour, and because they are illegal, they get paid off the books and they never show up as a worker in the first place!

    If you were to audit the construction companies that hire them, I would be willing to bet that the majority of undocumented immigrants are paying taxes.  It may not be their SSN that the tax money is going to, but they are signed up as "legal" employees in order to protect the company bosses.

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