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Well, not really.  This is just to call attention to what's been going on in this diary...

Ostensibly a satirical swipe, ostensibly mimicing Maureen Dowd's own high school/Freudelicious analysis of public figures ' dress, hair styles, personalities, and pets, the "Sexist Thought of the Day: Maureen Dowd Needs a Husband" diary didn't quite pull it off (imho).

I think I understand the genesis of the diary, but something went off course.  

I was mildly bothered by the diary, but -- frankly -- even moreso by the sexist comments just skipping around the playground below it.  Sans satire.

Comments like:

I don't know what the hell her problem is, but I know she's a bitch. A hot looking bitch, but still a bitch.

also, various other, apparently non-satiric comments about her need of a man, a husband, "physical activity," etc.

which brings me to mention that this diary is not necessarily just about comments re dowd.  

one of the common retorts to complaints about sexist language and gender slurs is that females need to have a sense of humor.

honestly, females do have a sense of humor, but there's a difference between someone laughing at you and someone laughing with you.

a lot of females, especially when they experience casually tossed off comments like this, question whether they're being laughed at, or with.

just to consider.  thanks for reading.

Originally posted to njgoldfinch on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 09:43 AM PDT.

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  •  I think (1+ / 0-)
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    "she needs to get laid" is prominently featured on the antifeminist bingo card that someone linked to last week.

    What do Republicans and cockroaches have in common? -- Shine a light on them and see.

    by kismet on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 09:40:24 AM PDT

  •  Thank you for this (6+ / 0-)
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    lrhoke, als10, dejavu, annefrank, kck, World Patriot

    I was bothered by the diary as well.

    And to show that we do have a sense of humor:  Why are dumb blonde jokes so short?  So men can understand them.

    "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." Voltaire

    by Elmore on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 09:42:11 AM PDT

  •  I think (2+ / 0-)
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    sberel, aebudde

    you should change your title.  It's disingenuous, and you admit that it is.

    Other than that, I completley agree with you.

    Bears everywhere shitting in woods

    by als10 on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 09:45:00 AM PDT

  •  How is this any different.. (2+ / 0-)
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    dennisl, chicago minx

    from calling basketball players "nappy headed ho's"?

    Simple-minded knee-jerk insults are not needed here.

    The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it -- GB Shaw

    by kmiddle on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 09:55:51 AM PDT

    •  It's entirely different (0+ / 0-)
      1. Maureen Dowd is a public figure. Rutgers basketball players aren't. It's the same reason why Limbaugh's "Barack the magic negro" (or whatever it is) is less offensive about Barack than it would be about the Rutgers basketball team.
      1. The original diary was about Dowd's column which was, essentially, a collection of garbage about the Obamas' personal lives, exactly like the diary.
      •  Gotta disagree with you... (1+ / 0-)
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        regarding the "public figure" issue. The basketball players are as much as public figures as Maureen. There was a famous court case in the 1970s where a high school wrestling coach tried to sue for libel, but the case was tossed by the SCOTUS on the grounds that as a coach, he was a 'public figure', even though the alleged libel had nothing to do with his job (I think it was some kind of sex thing, but it was 30+ years ago and memory fades).

        I'm not sure how your #2 applies to my comment that "simple-minded knee-jerk insults are not needed here." Which I think remains true.

        Sometimes, satire/snark/making sport of is OK. But just to call someone a "bitch" (Maureen) or a "ho" (Rutger's players) is exactly the same in both its intent and its acceptability.

        The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it -- GB Shaw

        by kmiddle on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 10:44:17 AM PDT

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        •  Legally, yes. Morally, no. (0+ / 0-)

          Imus wasn't fired for violating FCC regulations--he was fired for outraging the public. The basketball coach, or maybe even the team itself, may qualify as public figured under a legal standard, but I don't see how anyone can equate a bunch of college kids playing a sport with a paid professional.

          Talking about the coach makes a bit more sense; she, too, is a paid professional whose job includes dealing with the media. The players are student-athletes who never agreed to such a thing.

          More generally, comedians are constantly using racial or sexist epithets; when done properly, it's funny even if it's politically incorrect. The previous diary may have been "improper," but I still found it funny. That's all that matters. Fundamentally, there's a difference between being improper to make a point and being improper with an intent to degrade.

          The issue isn't about using language from a magical but unknown list of banned words; it's about context. Dowd had it coming, even if it wasn't nice. The Rutgers players didn't do anything--either by their actions or choice of profession--to deserve such a remark. Hence, the two are unequatable.

  •  I agree with this diarist (3+ / 0-)
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    sberel, njgoldfinch, chicago minx

    The diary re: Maureen Dowd taught me zip. I've read her in the past and loved her, but obviously I never read her columns on Clinton's blowjob (it's the obfuscation, not the sex on the side, that should be criticised), or any comments she made about Edwards.

    I expect a diary to inform; even a good rant can inform.

    If the boys want to talk about who needs a husband, or how conniving women can be, I suppose they have a right to do it here, but I don't see the point. Unless they want to alienate any female friends they might have around here--was that the point? You can't kick her around, so you trash any woman you can?

    •  Honestly though, (0+ / 0-)

      couldn't you see Maureen Dowd writing something like that about a single female politician? This is the woman who wrote "Are men necessary" right?

      It was offensive. However, I think the diarist didn't achieve his aim. Which might have been a satiric mimic of Dowd's style. Needless to say, he laid the sexism on far too thick.

  •  The place to address this was in that diary. (1+ / 0-)
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    Making a diary so your 'comment' is seen by more people is weak.

    Especially to those who put a whole lot of thought and time into their diaries, only to watch them knocked into obscurity by stuff like this.

    "The traditional media is still predicated on the passive consumer model. You sit back and watch. I'm not beholden to anybody." - Kos

    by HollywoodOz on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 10:38:07 AM PDT

    •  not every diary is rememberance of things past (0+ / 0-)

      not every diary is (or ought to be) a tome, a series, or 15 paragraphs.

      this diary may be brief when held against the current trend of very long diaries, but it made more than one point, was more than a comment, and favored succinctness over length.

      i often find to-the-point diaries more worthwhile than endless and long-winded rants (however much i may agree with the rant) about the same thing, over and over.

      i do not share your opinion, but thank you for proffering it.

      cheers --

      •  It's not about size. (0+ / 0-)

        You want to make a succinct point? Fine.

        But when that point is about another diary, the place to make that point is IN that diary.

        If we all decided our comments were so grand that they needed their own diary, things would get out of control pretty quickly, wouldn't they?

        "The traditional media is still predicated on the passive consumer model. You sit back and watch. I'm not beholden to anybody." - Kos

        by HollywoodOz on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 02:26:31 PM PDT

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        •  to repeat (0+ / 0-)

          to repeat, other points were made in this diary that were beyond the referenced diary.

          and there's a difference between a succinct comment and a succinct diary.

          if this diary is your benchmark for diaries-not-worth-posting, then i expect you to be very busy chastising the bulk of diaries that get posted.  you will have a very busy day.

          fwiw, i don't feel particularly chastised.

          cheers --

  •  The diarist who njgoldfinch is referring to (0+ / 0-)

    also wrote in the diary "I'm not saying she (Dowd) needs to be fucked" or something similar, and it was a little too locker room for my taste--and I don't like Dowd.

  •  She is hot alright and needs a husband real baaad (0+ / 0-)

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