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When it comes to fighting and capturing the real terrorists who attacked us on 9/11, a Republican raises the white flag.

"It's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person."

That "one person" would be Osama bin Laden.

Of course, it's not the first time we've heard this. From the Commander in Chief himself:

Terror is bigger than one person.... So I don't know where he is.  You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you.

Or how about this remark on the "war on terror":

"I don't think you can win it."

Republican presidents and would-be presidents sure sound like defeatists when it comes to combatting terrorism, don't they. Note to Rudy, it's the Republicans who are not serious about finding and capturing the terrorists. It's the Democrats who are insisting on it.

When it comes to fighting and capturing the real terrorists who attacked us on 9/11, Republicans raise the white flag.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 04:57 PM PDT.

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  •  Terrorism (12+ / 0-)

    You cannot win police work, you have to do police work. Fighting terrorism is police and espionage work.

    Republicans want to win... not do work.

    •  It's "the Cold War" 2.0 nt (3+ / 0-)

      Be carefull what you shoot at, most things in here don't react well to bullets-Sean Connery .... Captain Marko Ramius -Hunt For Red October

      by JML9999 on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 04:53:42 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It's also talking to people (5+ / 0-)

      and working with them to build stable, successful, democratic societies. It's working to understand them and build bridges. Real two (or more)-way communication so that they don't feel like they have to blow us up to save their countries. It's real hearts and minds work, not cheap propaganda, political bullying and lies. It's actually listening to other people and not just pretending to.

      And good police work and espionage (which also involves working to gain the trust and acceptance of people in other countries). And funding those things.

      More reasons that the Republicans don't want to really fight terrorism. It's much easier and much more profitable to scare everyone by raising terrorism as the bogeyman.

    •  Magnifico (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      shpilk, Magnifico

      Bang! Nail-on-head.

      Al Qaeda is a criminal gang. You deal with criminals by doing good police work. You may need military resources to aid and back-up the police, but the military can not be the lead agency.

      Al Qaeda is an entity much closer in form to the Mafia, or even the Crips, then to a national government that you fight a "war" with.

      Organizations like Interpol and the UN would be much more effective in combating religious extremists that use terror as a tool.

      Look at how effective the British police have been against possible "terrorist" activities in their country.

      Police work in an ongoing affair. There is no "winning".

      Violent religious extremism is an idea, not a thing. You don't fight an idea with bullets. You fight it with a better idea. If we had taken the high ground in all of this, bin Laden would be very isolated in the world, instead of being a hero to millions.

      "Like the mirror told me this morning, it's all done with people" - Wavy Gravy

      by offgrid on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 05:59:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  no, they don't want to win at all (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Spoc42, offgrid

      Without an enemy to fight, what happens to all the mil sector jobs?

  •  white flag republicans? (8+ / 0-)

    It has a nice ring to it.

    Republicans are not a national party anymore.

    by jalapeno on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 04:52:36 PM PDT

    •  How about white stripe Republicans? (4+ / 0-)

      Or is that old badge of cowardice too obscure these days?

      I'm confused ... I thought we'd all be safer with any Republican as president.  Because Democrats just don't understand that you have to play offense instead of defense.  

      Rudy, you gonna go after Mitt now?  Or did getting your ass handed to you by Olbermann make you rethink that campaign approach?

      -4.50, -5.85 Conventional opinion is the ruin of our souls. -- Rumi

      by Dallasdoc on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 04:58:23 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Clinton, the DEMOCRATIC ancompetant war president (0+ / 0-)

        Why!? Why!? is it that democrats accept the label of incapable war prosecutors? Clinton's Bosnia effort, though mediocre is clearly better than anything Bush has achieved. Why don't they hightlight that along with Nixon's failure in Vietnam. Reagan and the CIA missing the end of the Cold War.

        Gutless, the lot of them. and NO rhetorical imagination.

        When do they plan to get up on their hind legs and fight?

        •  How about framing your criticism constructively (0+ / 0-)

          Thanks

          •  Oh come on (0+ / 0-)

            The democrats should take their medicine. Thier behavior has empowered the Bush administratioin. Also I think you find constructive critisism in what i say. Where?
            here
            Clinton's Bosnia effort, though mediocre is clearly better than anything Bush has achieved

            In other words

            • go after the swift boat people.
            • remind everyone of the idiotic claims and promises of the Bush 2004. Take the republicans heads and shove their noses in it!
            • Remind everyone that there is peace in Bosnia because of Clinton!

            -Republican administrations have outspent democrats administration after administration. The democrats are not great fiscally but they are better than republicans.

            Sell baby Sell! What the hell are they waiting for?

      •  White stripe? (0+ / 0-)

        You mean as in skunk?

    •  down we go (0+ / 0-)

      Democrats some how have made themselves less palitable than Republicans. Clearly Bush must be impeached. The democrats were unable to stop Clinton being impeached under the most disgraceful circumstances. They did not raise hell. Now Bush, whose crimes are vividly more impeachable recieves kind handling from the the dems.

      No matter who low the republicans go, democrats inflect themselves a lower position. I suppose the republicans call that leadership. Its actually a race to the bottom.

      The democrats are irresponsible cowards.

  •  LOL. White Flag Romney. (6+ / 0-)

    Good framing.

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    by Newsie8200 on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 04:52:41 PM PDT

  •  Did Mitt Romney just have his macaca moment? nt (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jalapeno, blueyedace2, phoenixdreamz

    Be carefull what you shoot at, most things in here don't react well to bullets-Sean Connery .... Captain Marko Ramius -Hunt For Red October

    by JML9999 on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 04:52:44 PM PDT

  •  Bogey's Take on Osama (9+ / 0-)

    Bogey expressed my feelings about this 66 years ago:

    "When a man's partner is killed, he's supposed to do something about it. It doesn't make any difference what you thought of him. He was your partner and you're supposed to do something about it. And it happens we're in the detective business. Well, when one of your organization gets killed, it's-it's bad business to let the killer get away with it, bad all around, bad for every detective everywhere."

    Same deal here. When a man has 3000 of our fellow citizens killed,we're supposed to do something about it. It doesn't make any difference if it's difficult or inconvenient. They were our countrymen and we're supposed to do something about it. Well, when 3000 of our people get killed, it's bad business to let the killer get away with it, bad all around, bad for every American everywhere.

    This seems like a simple enough concept to me.  Simple and old-fashioned.  If Republicans were what they claim to be, they'd grasp this in a heartbeat.   But they're not, are they?

    We aren't expecting the Democrats to save us. Rather, we're working through the Democratic Party to save the country.

    by RT on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 04:55:18 PM PDT

  •  How many people is Saddam Hussein??!??! (4+ / 0-)

    Hypocrites, lying hypocrites, derelict of duty, unfit to lead.

    Prima facie scumbags!

    Osama is NUMERO UNERO enemy of America.

    •  well, it just goes to show (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      offgrid, phoenixdreamz

      that the reason bush attacked Saddam was because he could find him, and the reason why he and romney are giving osama a pass is because they can't.

      It's the old joke about the drunk looking for his car keys under the street lamp.

      •  I actually don't know that joke... n/t (0+ / 0-)
        •  So (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          nanobubble, offgrid

          A policeman on the early morning beat sees a man, obviously drunk, standing under a street lamp and casting about on the ground as if he was looking for something. He parks his cruiser and asks the man "You there! What are you doing?"

          "Looking for my keys, ocifer," slurs the drunk. "I lost them and I can't find them."

          "I see. And you're certain you lost them under this street lamp?" the officer replies.

          "Oh no, sir, I lost them over in that alley. But the light's better over here."

  •  Judging by the GOP's out of control spending (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Dallasdoc, phoenixdreamz

    ... it appears that what Romney really meant is, the GOP will move heaven and earth and spend billions of dollars to do just about anything EXCEPT try to catch Osama bin Laden.

    So how can anyone with integrity use 9/11 as an excuse for anything when they don't even care about getting the people responsible for 9/11?

    So this is how liberty dies -- with thunderous applause.

    by MJB on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 04:56:44 PM PDT

  •  Saddan (4+ / 0-)

    "It's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person."

    Isn't that what we did with Saddam??

    That's the true harbinger of spring, not crocuses or swallows returning to Capistrano, but the sound of a bat on a ball. ~Bill Veeck

    by MikeBaseball on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 04:57:31 PM PDT

  •  Republican debate next week - (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    phoenixdreamz, JML9999

    I sure do hope that someone asks Romney about this statement.  I want his supporters to hear him try to defend the remark.

  •  there's a new Republican to pick on... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    phoenixdreamz

    former VA Gov. Jim Gilmore officially entered the race today.

    I haven't seen anything posted here about it.

    •  Meh (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Trix

      Gilmore won't get far.  He left Virginia in such a sorry state it's a surprise that Mark Warner hasn't been canonized for getting it out of the mess Gilmore left behind.

      Liberal: "I still think it's a respectable word. Its root is "liber," the Latin word for "free," and isn't that what we are all about?"--Mary McGrory

      by mini mum on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 05:37:37 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  In the words of Emily Litella (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    offgrid, phoenixdreamz

    What's all this about the democrats complaining about the republicans not wanting to hunt down Obama??  Why all they've been doing is mocking and making fun of him.

    Who?

    oh.  never mind.

    explain how letting gays marry will directly affect your own heterosexual relationship?

    by bluestatesam on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 04:59:57 PM PDT

  •  Bu$hCo, et al surrendered to the terrorists when (4+ / 0-)

    they ignored the warnings, calling them "historical," that Al Qaeda planned to attack the US using hijacked jets and flying them into buildings.

    This has never been a WOT.  It's always been about and always will be about ENDLESS WAR FOR OIL.

  •  When those who hate government run government.... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Nimbus

    we get incompetent, cynical, boobs in charge... and nothing done.  Unfortunately this serves the purposes of many powerful people.

  •  Typical CEO statement (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    phoenixdreamz

    Fuck you Mitt.  Some of us want justice, asshole.

  •  The "war on terror" is the big lie (5+ / 0-)

    Accept the false premise that there is a "war on terror," and you might as well buy into the entire proto-fascist Bush agenda.

    "Men use thought only to justify their wrongdoing, and employ speech only to conceal their thoughts." Voltaire

    by chimpwatch on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 05:04:40 PM PDT

  •  Another "cold case" (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Spoc42, phoenixdreamz

    I saw this episode last year. The incompetent and corrupt old cops fumbled the case and let the killer skate. It was up to the new team to bring the killer to justice.

  •  Why would a (R) care about wasting money? (3+ / 0-)
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    blueyedace2, Phil S 33, phoenixdreamz

    That's their expertise.

    FREE TRADE ISN'T FREE!

    by Intercaust on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 05:05:43 PM PDT

  •  We have already lost the war on terror (5+ / 0-)

    When you have presidential candidates advocating torture in both parties, as a legitimate tool in this so called war on terror.  When congress allows the Habeas Corpus to go missing When the accused no longer have a right to lawyer.  When as a librarian you can get a national security letter.  When your phone and email can be monited because you have participated in anti-war activities.  When the Senate leader is lambasted for declaring an ileagal war for oil is lost.  When all the Democratic Presidential candidates suppport this contrived war on terror (except Kucinich) then this war has already been lost.

    "The sociological imagination enables us to grasp history and biography and the relations between the two within society." C. Wright Mills

    by HGM MA on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 05:07:53 PM PDT

  •  Then here's the question (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    phoenixdreamz

    Mitt, was it worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars to kill just one person in Baghdad?  

    "There's no way I'm going to put myself through Sandhurst and then sit on my arse back home while my boys are out fighting for their country." Prince Harry

    by SpiderStumbled22 on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 05:09:02 PM PDT

  •  Not so wanted dead or alive (1+ / 0-)
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    phoenixdreamz

    I guess at this point nothing should surprise me, but it's so bizarre listening to people like Romeny and Bush say catching Osama isn't worth it, when not to long ago I distinctly remember the entire nation, really most of the world all behind the idea of "smoking out Osama" and Bush's famous "wanted dead or alive" rhetoric.

    Are people really as forgetful or dumb as this, or are these forget about Osama statements just as bizarre to people on the whole?  If there is anything I was for, and did support, and still support, it's catching the guy who attacked us on our soil.  

  •  The meme is: Romney Surrenders to bin Laden (2+ / 0-)

    Little known Constitutional fact: the phrase "executive privilege," does not exist anywhere in the Constitution! Justice Scalia...?

    by Jim P on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 05:20:04 PM PDT

  •  Now there's your surrender Monkey (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    phoenixdreamz

    Surrender Monkey Mitt

  •  Shorter Romney (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    phoenixdreamz

    I'll say whatever I have to to win those Republican primaries.

    Even shorter Romney:
    If you like Bush, you'll love me.

    Way, way shorter Romney:
    What Bush said.

  •  They keep quoting the Osama Bin Laden line... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    phoenixdreamz

    To criticize dems and then wingnuts like Romney turn around and say that they don't care to catch him.  He's all important mastermind and insignificant at the same time.

    Assassin: Its worse than you know. Malcolm: It usually is. 宁静

    by TalkieToaster on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 05:30:41 PM PDT

  •  So why would Romney (0+ / 0-)

    sign J. Cofer Black on to his campaign?

    Hotline on Call

    Cofer Black Joins Team Romney

    J. Cofer Black, former director of the CIA's Counterterrorism Center (CTC) has joined Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. Black later served as the state department's coordinator for counterterrorism. Black works right now as vice chairman of Blackwater USA, the major DoD security contractor.

    Hotline left a couple of resume items off this blurb.  Not only is Black vice chairman of Blackwater, he's also CEO of The Black Group, a company that provides security services for corporate executives, their employees, and facilities.  

    But that's not all.  In February, Black co-founded with a bunch of other ex-CIA folk Total Intelligence Solutions, which brings "CIA-style Intelligence Services to Fortune 500":

    Total Intel will support Fortune 500 businesses through its Global Fusion Center (GFC), a 24/7 intelligence fusion and warning center that monitors civil unrest, terrorism, economic stability, environmental and health concerns, and information technology security. The GFC fuses information from thousands of open and proprietary sources to create predictive intelligence for an international client base.

    Black seems "overqualified" to be working on a presidential campaign.  His official title is "Senior Adviser for counterterrorism and national security issues."  I wish I could put my finger on what's makes this appointment so curious...

    Liberal: "I still think it's a respectable word. Its root is "liber," the Latin word for "free," and isn't that what we are all about?"--Mary McGrory

    by mini mum on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 05:36:47 PM PDT

  •  Imagine if FDR said something like this. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    inHI

    OK, so I can't.  The "Greatest Generation" devoted four years of their lives to moving heaven and earth to get Hitler.  We were keenly focused on this goal, and sacrificed quite a bit in its pursuit.

    Now we kinda, sorta chase bin Laden around for a year or so, then the President loses interest and goes after Saddam Hussein, who didn't do anything to us.  This man has the attention span of an eight year old when it comes to something he's not really interested in, but he's ready to drive the whole country over a cliff in Iraq.

  •  It's frightening they don't think it's important (0+ / 0-)

    to catch these guys. Zawahiri should have been hanged by now.

    Jimmy Carter is right.

    by LandSurveyor on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 05:47:40 PM PDT

  •  Let me strap on the tin foil hat and say (0+ / 0-)

    that of course they don't want to capture him, or damage his organization .. without an enemy to fight, what the hell do we build?

    What does Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, GE, EG&G, BAE, Northrup the whole alphabet soup of them .. do they retool and make refrigerators, stoves, medical equipment?

    Yes, I am deeply steeped in the Alcoa. To me, without Bin-Laden who else is left to go after? Should we try to demonize Putin some more, perhaps goad Chavez into some rash actions? The Chinese certainly are ready to ballistic over Taiwan, but other than that they are done.

    So what's left except stateless terrorism, and the never ending war on terror?

    I think Romney knows which side of his bread is buttered on, I think it's a driving concern behind why real actions have never been taken to come to grips with the issues that drive these terrorists.

  •  dennis should keep his red haired (0+ / 0-)

    beauty from the multi-serial married rethugs

  •  But it would be (0+ / 0-)

    crazy to spend that kind of money and effort just to capture one man ... unless his name is Saddam.

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    by Warren Terrer on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 06:43:12 PM PDT

  •  Romney = Soft on Terror (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    inHI

    or

    Romney = Soft on Bin Laden

    Romney = Cuddling Killers

    Romney = Wrong On Bin Laden, Wrong For America

    Romney = Strong On Hair, Weak on Terror

    whichever is catchier

  •  I'm going to get troll-rated for this (0+ / 0-)

    but I think Romeny has a point.  Dems love to harp about "catching Osama bin Laden," and I can't blame them because Bush has failed miserably at catching OBL and Dems would be idiots not to call attention to it.  But it's not like catching bin Laden will do much of anything to stop terrorism.  Al Qaeda is not going to disperse because we capture their leader.  In fact, they will probably just grow angrier and more determined to kill us.  

    The best way to fight terrorism is with a humane foreign policy.  That would dry up their recruiting and render them powerless.

  •  Bush saying that we can't "win" the War on Terror (0+ / 0-)

    ...is one of the most thoughtful things he's ever said.

    It's too bad that he quickly backtracked.

    The "War on Terror" will never end.  That is why while in previous wars we held prisoners until the war ended, the same policy doesn't make sense in this case.  We need to due process fo prisoners suspected of being terrorists.

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