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VIGIL and showing of THE IRON WALL
Vigil for Palestine in St. Mark's May 18
Vigil: 5:00 - 6:00 soup: 6-6:30

Film: THE IRON WALL, produced in Palestine

THE IRON WALL provides graphic evidence of the intentions of Zionist leaders: "Zionist colonization must . . .proceed regardless of the native population . . . which means putting them behind an iron wall that the native population cannot breach." J. Jabotinsky, 1923

"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism." Yitzhak Shamir, 1997

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can . . . everything we take now will stay ours . . . Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, 1998

Vigil & movie sponsored by the Episcopal Peace Fellowship

A few days later this informal meeting is scheduled:

PSC DISCUSSION CAFÉ
Tuesday May 22, 7-9 pm,
Mosaic Coffeehouse
Corner of 44th St. and 2nd Ave NE in Wallingford

OPEN MEETING! Come join us for a discussion cafe about
Palestine/Israel; come share political analysis, opinion, ask
questions, get to know us!

Then, in conjunction with the End the Occupation rally in Washington DC, the Seattle Palestine Solidarity Committee is holding its own rally for people who are unable to travel to the District of Columbia on June 10.

FORTY YEARS TOO LONG!
Seattle gathers to protest the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands, 40 years after the end of the June, 1967 war: June 9th and 10th at and near Cal Anderson Park (corner of Pine St. and 11th on Capitol Hill).

Saturday, June 9 from 1:30 to 9:300 p.m., and Sunday, June 10 from 12:00 to 4:00

The weekend's events will feature theater, panel discussions, films, and more -- check this site for updates soon.

http://www.palestineinformation.org/

The Theater Squad will present the "Occupation Game" at Cal Anderson Park

At 2:00 on Saturday June 10, the Theater Squad will also present an outdoor processional performance of Hurriyeh, an adaptation of Sophocles' Antigone. Hurriyeh tells a story of the conflict between the need for security and the rebellion against unjust laws. The Occupation Game and Hurriyeh will be presented outdoors, rain or shine.

Who is the Seattle Palestine Solidarity Committee?

The Seattle Palestine Solidarity Committee supports all Palestinians in their struggle for the fundamental right of self-determination. They indicate that they work to end the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip and for the establishment of an independent, democratic Palestinian state. They also support the provision of full human and other rights to all Palestinians living as minorities or refugees anywhere in the world and the right of all Palestinian refugees to choose compensation or return to Palestine.

Towards this end, they try to influence the United States government to change its policies with regard to the Middle East. How? They call for an end to US military and economic aid to Israel, while Israel violates international law by engaging in a consistent pattern of gross and systematic human rights abuses against Palestinians. They urge the US government to condemn these abuses and exert pressure on Israel to remove Israeli settlers from all occupied territory, return confiscated land, end the occupation, and allow the formation of the Palestinian State.

The events show that liberal Democrats, who have their roots in the civil rights movement of the 1960s, are willing to confront injustice whenever it is found, whether at home or in American foreign policy. Democrats cannot follow the Republicans by ignoring matters pertaining to human rights.

For further information: http://palestineinformation.org/

Original tags: Palestine, Israel, Seattle, I/P

Originally posted to Sabbah on Sun May 13, 2007 at 08:21 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip jar (5+ / 0-)

    Shukran (thanks) for reading.

    Sabbah's Blog: An Uprooted Palestinian Blogger Searching For a Better Way Forward in the Middle East.

    by Sabbah on Sun May 13, 2007 at 08:11:31 AM PDT

    •  According to the PSC-Seattle website, (1+ / 0-)
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      JPhurst

      the group condemns the Geneva Initiative, which both Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton support. At its public launch President Carter said:

      I want to express my gratitude and admiration to Yossi Beilin, Yasser Abed Rabbo, their fellow negotiators . . .:

      1.This Geneva initiative offers the crucial and unavoidable elements of a permanent peace in the Holy Land. There will be inevitable modifications to this agreement if and when official and sincere peace talks are ever conducted, but the basic premises must remain intact. The alternative is sustained and permanent violence.

      This agreement would resolve the conflict's most critical issues, including border delineations, Israeli settlements, the excessive occupation of Palestinian lands, the future of Jerusalem and its holy places, and the extremely troubling question of Palestinian refugees. It is unlikely that we shall ever see a more promising foundation for peace.

      Sabbah, do you agree with PSC-Seattle -- if so, why? if not, why do you not mention your differences with them) that:

      • "The initiative violates essential rights of the Palestinians and fails to establish a viable independent state of Palestine"?

      • "The Accord was drafted without consulting the Palestinian people"? (link to Palestinian steering committee and staff)

      • "[I]n overriding established standards of human rights, the document creates new obstacles to peace

      and reconciliation"?

      Al Gore should be president.

      by another American on Sun May 13, 2007 at 10:43:08 AM PDT

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      •  As Palestinian, Yes I agree with PSC-Seattle (1+ / 0-)
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        umkahlil

        And this is why:

        It would have been easier if you quoted what they refuse (PDF), so here it is:

        The Geneva Accord is an unofficial peace initiative negotiated by Israeli opposition politicians together with members of the Palestine Authority. The initiative violates essential rights of the Palestinians and fails to establish a viable independent state of Palestine. In so doing, it overrides principles of human rights enshrined in international law. The Accord was drafted without consulting the Palestinian people - especially the refugees - whose destiny it gravely affects. Without such consultation, implementation of the initiative will prevent a just and lasting resolution to the conflict.

        The Geneva Accord infringes upon Palestinian self-determination:

        • Israeli and international forces will maintain a military presence in Palestine (Article 5/7/f), including Early Warning Stations, for an indefinite period (Article 5/8).
        • Provisions of the Accord inhibit Palestinian sovereignty by permitting Israeli use of Palestinian air space for military training (Article 5/9/b/i).
        • Israeli and international forces will maintain a presence at international borders for several years with the possibility of extensions (Article 5/12).

        The Geneva Accord blocks refugee return:

        • By placing refugee return under the "sovereign discretion" of Israel (Article 7/4/e/iii), the Accord is in direct violation of U.N. resolutions that put the choice of return in the hands of refugees.

        The Geneva Accord allows for illegal annexation of Palestinian lands:

        • Implementation of the Accord would legalize the annexation to Israel of much of Palestinian East Jerusalem, as well as other Israeli settlements in the West Bank, in violation of Article IV of the 1949 Geneva Convention, prohibiting annexation of land acquired by force.

        The Geneva Accord is vague and incomplete:

        • No provision in the Accord addresses the catastrophic damage done to Palestinian life, property, or infrastructure in the West Bank and Gaza during the 37-year-long occupation of these lands.
        • Land ceded to the Palestinian state in return for annexed Israeli settlements is remote and inferior in quality compared to lands being forfeited by the Palestinians.
        • Crucial elements of the Accord are left up in the air until the drafting of a hypothetical "Annex X." The failure to articulate solutions to issues such as: timing of Israeli evacuation of the Palestinian territories; transfer of authority; border demarcation; details of the continuing Israeli military presence in Palestine; and allocation of water and other natural resources, is a prescription for the breakdown of the initiative.

        In addition to these faults, the Geneva Accord fails to acknowledge Israel's responsibility for the harm caused by the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 1947 - 48, again in 1967, and for the suffering of millions under occupation. These injustices are the fundamental cause of the conflict. In spite of its promising rhetoric, the Geneva Accord will not bring about a complete end to Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands. Rather, in overriding established standards of human rights, the document creates new obstacles to peace and reconciliation.

        Relevant documents on the Internet:
        Geneva Accord: http://www.heskem.org.il/...
        A Critique of the Geneva Accord, Phyllis Bennis: http://www.al-awda.org/...
        Geneva Accord: Analysis of the Bankruptcy, Paul Burrows: http://electronicintifada.net/...
        U.N. Res. 194: http://domino.un.org/...
        1949 Geneva Convention: http://www.icrc.org/...
        Al-Aqsa Intifada resource site: http://www.alaqsaintifada.org/...

        It is clear why PSC-Seattle refuse these parts of  Geneva Initiatives. In fact, most Palestinians will agree with most of what PSC object on. Even President Carter confirmed that "there will be inevitable modifications to this agreement", which means it was not a final agreement, but a base for agreement.

        Sabbah's Blog: An Uprooted Palestinian Blogger Searching For a Better Way Forward in the Middle East.

        by Sabbah on Sun May 13, 2007 at 12:14:26 PM PDT

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        •  Let's start with an easy point. (0+ / 0-)

          You and PSC-Seattle claim that the Geneva Initiative "was drafted without consulting the Palestinian people." Please justify or withdraw this claim in light of the following.

          Palestinian Steering Committee:

          Abdel-Hadi, Fiha’ - Women's rights activist, intellectual

          Abdel-Rahman, Wafa’ - Project Manager at MIFTAH

          Abdel-Raziq, Hisham - Minister for Prisoners Affairs, PLC member Fatah, Gaza, Former detainee

          Abdel-Shafi, Salah-Edein - Director of Gaza Community Health Program

          Abdullah, Sameer - Director of MAS Research Institute, Former Director of PALTRADE and PICDAR

          El-Abed, Samih - Deputy Minister of Planning

          Abed-Rabbo, Yasser - PLO Executive Committee Member, Former Minister of Culture and Information

          Aboushi, Reem - Director of the Palestinian Businesswomen’s Association (ASALA)

          Abu-Ghazaleh, Tawfiq - Advocate

          Abu-Ein, Ziad - Assistant Deputy Minister of Prisoners Affairs

          Arouri, Tayseer - Lecturer at Bir Ziet University, PLO Central Council Member

          El-Ashhab, Na’eem - Writer and Political Analyst

          Awadallah, Haidar - PPP Political Bureau Member, Editor in Chief of Attareek

          Awwad Abu-Shusheh, Maha - Businesswoman

          Bader, Liana - Director of the PA Culture Ministry, Writer, Filmmaker

          Bullatah, Terry - School Director, Women Activist, Former Detainee

          Faris, Qadoura - Minister, PLC Member Fatah, Ramallah district, Former detainee

          Hleileh, Sameer - Chair of PALTRADE’s Board

          Huranni, Mohammed - PLC Member Fatah, Hebron district, Former detainee

          Al-Husseini, Abdel-Qader - Director of the Faisal Husseini Foundation

          Jaber, Basel - Chair of the PA Reform Committee, Former Advisor to Nabil Sha’ath, Taba negotiator

          Jad’oun, Suheil - CEO The Commercial Bank of Palestine

          Jilani, Marwan - Former PLO delegate to the UN Head of the Palestinian Students Association

          Jira’I, Radi - Deputy Minister for Prisoners Affairs, Member of Palestinian Delegation to Madrid Conference

          Al-Ju’beh, Nathmi - Jerusalem expert, Director of RIWAQ, Former Professor at Bir Zeit University

          Khalil, Samih - CEO Al-Mashreq Insurance Co.

          Khoury, Sam’an - Director of the Peace and Democracy Forum

          Khreishi, Ibrahim - Secretary of the Trade Union Department of the PLO, Former Head of the Negotiation Department and Chairman of the General Union of Palestinian Students

          Manasra, Zuheir - Governor of Bethlehem, Former Governor of Jenin

          Al-Omari, Gaith - Legal adviser to negotiation team including Camp David and Taba

          Qassis, Nabil - President of Bir Zeit University, Former Minister of Planning, Founder and Former Director of MAS Research Institute

          Salameh, Saji - General Director Ministry of Labor

          Sarraj, Iyad - Chair of the Gaza Community Mental Health Program

          Taha, Ra’eda - Chair of Khalil Sakakini Cultural Center’s Board

          Tamari, Saleem - Researcher and Lecturer at Bir Zeit University

          Traish, Muneef - Deputy Mayor of Al-Bireh

          Zaqout, Jamal - Former Director of the PA Office of Cabinet Coordination, Co-Director of FIDA, Gaza

          Zeid, Hikmat - Minister of Transportation, PLC member Fatah

          Al Gore should be president.

          by another American on Sun May 13, 2007 at 12:27:24 PM PDT

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          •  What I claim actually (1+ / 0-)
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            umkahlil

            ... is how I read it (and assume PSC means):

            Geneva Initiative was drafted without consulting the Palestinian people on the compromises made by the Palestinian Steering Committee.

            Sabbah's Blog: An Uprooted Palestinian Blogger Searching For a Better Way Forward in the Middle East.

            by Sabbah on Sun May 13, 2007 at 12:43:27 PM PDT

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            •  Wait a minute (1+ / 0-)
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              MBNYC

              So you want there to be a vote, by the people, of the compromises?  What would your reaction be if Olmert said, "I'd make peace with the Palestinians, but we need to put it to a national referendum, first?

              "I hate Illinois Nazis" - Jake

              by dfb1968 on Sun May 13, 2007 at 12:57:37 PM PDT

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            •  You've added words not in the PSC statement. (0+ / 0-)

              The truth is that the Geneva Accord is the product of a joint Israeli-Palestinian effort. Of course, it cannot go into effect without the agreement both peoples, whether by referendum or parliamentary vote. But the point is that it is simply untrue to say that "it was drafted without consulting the Palestinian people."

              Al Gore should be president.

              by another American on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:59:48 PM PDT

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        •  Or, consider Jimmy Carter. As quoted in (0+ / 0-)

          my comment, Jimmy Carter said at the public launch of the Geneva Initiative:

          This Geneva initiative offers the crucial and unavoidable elements of a permanent peace in the Holy Land. . . . It is unlikely that we shall ever see a more promising foundation for peace.

          You and PSC-Seattle contend, however, that the Geneva Initiative:

          • "violates essential rights of the Palestinians and fails to establish a viable independent state of Palestine"

          • "creates new obstacles to peace and reconciliation"

          • "implementation of the initiative will prevent a just and lasting resolution to the conflict"

          You personally also interpret Jimmy Carter's remarks as "confirm[ing] that the Geneva Initiative is only a "base for agreement."

          Do you accept the Geneva Initiative as a basis for agreement between the Palestinian people (and a future state of Palestine) and the state of Israel?

          If so,

          • how do you reconcile this acceptance with the critique contained in the PSC-Seattle statement that you also seem to endorse?

          • do you understand that a fundamental part of the compromise that is the Geneva Initiative is limiting realization of any Palestinian right of return to the state of Palestine?

          Al Gore should be president.

          by another American on Sun May 13, 2007 at 12:40:38 PM PDT

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          •  Personally? (1+ / 0-)
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            umkahlil

            Honestly I don't believe that two states solution with its present flaws and gaps will end the conflict. I tend to side the one state solution, but that's not our subject.

            However, since what's in hand now is the never ending two states 'solution', I will support it as far as no compromise is made on basics such as all these listed in the PSC quoted above points.

            Having said that, no, I don't endorse Geneva Initiative with all its faults such as the refugee return issue, nor accept it as bases for negotiations. No negotiation on basics such as 1967 borders with full sovereignty for Palestinians, Right of Return and East Jerusalem. Anything less than that as a starting point to 'negotiate' further details of implementation is not worth the time of Palestinians, and since Israel is not accepting all these basics, believe it or not, no one can force Palestinians to accept anything less, even if some Palestinian official agree to less. This is why I'm telling you as a Palestinian that two states solution will never happen with the existing conditions.

            Sabbah's Blog: An Uprooted Palestinian Blogger Searching For a Better Way Forward in the Middle East.

            by Sabbah on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:09:42 PM PDT

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            •  How exactly is that a "starting point"? (0+ / 0-)

              I'm not sure I even want to know what the ending point is?

              "I hate Illinois Nazis" - Jake

              by dfb1968 on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:16:07 PM PDT

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              •  Starting point is simple... (0+ / 0-)

                Israel to accept and abide to all UN resolutions on the conflict.

                And if you are "not sure that you want to know what the ending point," then figure it yourself...

                Sabbah's Blog: An Uprooted Palestinian Blogger Searching For a Better Way Forward in the Middle East.

                by Sabbah on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:26:38 PM PDT

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            •  Here's a hint about politics. (1+ / 0-)
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              jhritz

              Negotiations do not consist of saying 'this is what I want, now let's talk about how you're going to give it to me'.

              Israel has been very clear that it has its own negotiating basics, such as complete acceptance of it by the Arab states, the agreement of the Palestinians to some kind of demilitarized status, security guarantees, the Golan, and probably an equitable land exchange. It bears repeating that some of those settlements the Pals complain about so loudly are re-created Jewish villages that were ethnically cleansed by Palestinian lambs in 1948.

              I think you'll find that most Americans won't support a Pal diktat, or any solution other than one that takes the needs of all sides into account; in fact, since Israel is our ally, and the Palestinians are not, we're likely going to insist on a settlement that's more favorable to them than to you.

              "I have not been so cowardly as to keep silent". - Alexis de Tocqueville

              by MBNYC on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:25:01 PM PDT

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              •  Another hint about politics (1+ / 0-)
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                umkahlil

                It applies to both sides, so:

                Negotiations do not consist of saying 'this is what I want, now let's talk about how you're going to give it to me'.

                Tell this to Israel too.

                Israel has been very clear that it has its own negotiating basics, such as complete acceptance of it by the Arab states,

                Check the so called Saudi initiative (a.k.a. Arab League Initiative).

                the agreement of the Palestinians to some kind of demilitarized status,

                I thought you just hinted that in politics: "Negotiations do not consist of saying 'this is what I want, now let's talk about how you're going to give it to me'."

                It bears repeating that some of those settlements the Pals complain about so loudly are re-created Jewish villages that were ethnically cleansed by Palestinian lambs in 1948.

                Lets just assume that I agree with you, same thing should apply to the 531 ethnically cleansed Palestinian villages (check the map in my previous diary) and Palestinians are guaranteed the 'right of return'.

                Sabbah's Blog: An Uprooted Palestinian Blogger Searching For a Better Way Forward in the Middle East.

                by Sabbah on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:43:03 PM PDT

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                •  Actually... (3+ / 0-)
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                  zemblan, jhritz, dfb1968

                  ...what I am doing is sketching the initial Israeli bargaining position; probably should have included all of Jerusalem as capital as well. The big difference between you personally and them, of course, is that they know they're not going to get all of what they want.

                  Someone once said that politics is the art of the possible. You can sum up the Pal's problem neatly by simply stating that, instead of focusing on what they can get, they tend to merely endlessly yammer themselves from one maximalist position to another, both at the negotiating table and, as far as I can tell with the two-person sample we have here on Kos, with their diary entries. It hasn't worked, and it will not work, simply because you do not realize that the people sitting at the other side of the table have legitimate interests as well. This is why, for example, there will never be a full-scale return of all Pals to Israel or even, most likely, of even a few.

                  The key difference between you and them, of course, is that they're more powerful than you are, have the more powerful backers, and are operating against the background of five wars launched against them, which is why they'll get their key security non-negotiables honored at the end of the day. In a sense, the Pals are paying the price for the five wars the Arabs launched against Israel; but I don't need to tell you, probably, that the various Arab governments have never been friends of your people. Which is why most Palestinians still live in refugee camps.

                  "I have not been so cowardly as to keep silent". - Alexis de Tocqueville

                  by MBNYC on Sun May 13, 2007 at 04:37:33 PM PDT

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                  •  No, (2+ / 0-)
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                    Diaries, Sabbah

                    you were providing Israel's demands before negotiations.

                    Israel has been very clear that it has its own negotiating basics, such as complete acceptance of it by the Arab states, the agreement of the Palestinians to some kind of demilitarized status, security guarantees, the Golan, and probably an equitable land exchange.

                    This is what Israel wants right?

                    Contradiction?

                    Negotiations do not consist of saying 'this is what I want, now let's talk about how you're going to give it to me'.

                    Israel makes demands before negotiation, specifically right of return. And how will Palestinians 'give it to [them]'? By dropping demands of right of return.

                    The language you used is rather, as you say, clear.

                    The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world She didn't exist.

                    by callmecassandra on Sun May 13, 2007 at 09:07:37 PM PDT

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                  •  Number of wars (3+ / 0-)
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                    MBNYC, zemblan, jhritz

                    Actually MB, there have been 7 wars (although in typical US fashion, maybe not all of them were called "Wars"):

                    War of Independence
                    Sinai Campaign
                    Six-Day War
                    War of Attrition
                    Yom Kippur War
                    First Lebanon War (Operation Peace in the Galilee)
                    Second Lebanon War

                    Otherwise, the post is pretty spot-on.

                    "I hate Illinois Nazis" - Jake

                    by dfb1968 on Sun May 13, 2007 at 11:30:03 PM PDT

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              •  So, (2+ / 0-)
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                Diaries, Sabbah

                in fact, since Israel is our ally, and the Palestinians are not, we're likely going to insist on a settlement that's more favorable to them than to you.

                you agree that the U.S. isn't an honest broker in this conflict and never has been.

                Should be common knowledge, of course, but it might be a 'revelation' for many...

                The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world She didn't exist.

                by callmecassandra on Sun May 13, 2007 at 09:10:42 PM PDT

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  •  And, on a related note (6+ / 0-)

    The Yom Yerushalayim festivities will be taking place all night Tuesday and all day Wednesday.  I, personally, will be seeing a presentation on Rabbi Shlomo Goren and the paratroopers that liberated The Old City at Kikar Safra, then marching to the Kotel for prayers and a big friggin' party.

    Anyone who wants to join me is welcome.

    "I hate Illinois Nazis" - Jake

    by dfb1968 on Sun May 13, 2007 at 08:33:26 AM PDT

  •  Um, no thanks (1+ / 0-)
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    Pumpkinlove

    According to this website: http://www.stoptheism.com/... the Seattle Palestine Solidariy Committee - and its affiliated organizations - is a front group for terrorists.

    I wonder if your video presentation will show the effects of suicide bombers that target Isreali civilians, the blood and death that Palestinian terrorists cause, and that many in Palestinian leadership are calling for the total destruction of Israel.

    "Quotes from others represent a mental laziness in themselves" - Dailykos member "Rudgirl"

    by misterblaine on Sun May 13, 2007 at 09:47:20 AM PDT

    •  WoW!! (2+ / 0-)
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      redrobin, heathlander

      Seattle Palestine Solidarity Committee - and its affiliated organizations - is a front group for terrorists.

      And Bush "intelligence" went so far as Afghanistan to counter the terrorists while they live in Seattle? What are you waiting for? Go and report them...

      Sabbah's Blog: An Uprooted Palestinian Blogger Searching For a Better Way Forward in the Middle East.

      by Sabbah on Sun May 13, 2007 at 09:58:43 AM PDT

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      •  Actually (0+ / 1-)
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        jon the antizionist jew

        I'm sure the FBI has intelligence on any possible terror suspects and I am sure there will be agents in the audience.

        Given the bloodshed Palestinan terrorists have wreaked on Israeli and American citizens, i can only hope that this is the case.

        And yes, given that you run an internet blog which appars to support Palestinan terror tactics, I hope they are watching you too.

        Dkos is dedicated to electing Democrats, not Hamas.

        "Quotes from others represent a mental laziness in themselves" - Dailykos member "Rudgirl"

        by misterblaine on Sun May 13, 2007 at 10:05:23 AM PDT

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        •  Ya know (2+ / 0-)
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          ...I've critiqued Sabbah vociferously, loudly and repeatedly for all manner of things, but I'd be surprised if he supported terrorism outright, because I haven't seen any evidence of that. There's a ton of stuff to rip about the guy, but that doesn't seem to be part of it. So I'm sorry, but I don't think you're being very helpful here. It bears repeating that not all Palestinians are terrorists, as self-evident as that may seem.

          Gawd, I can't believe I'm defending Sabbah.

          "I have not been so cowardly as to keep silent". - Alexis de Tocqueville

          by MBNYC on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:16:18 PM PDT

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          •  You shouldn't feel sorry (0+ / 0-)

            for saying the truth!

            Sabbah's Blog: An Uprooted Palestinian Blogger Searching For a Better Way Forward in the Middle East.

            by Sabbah on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:49:26 PM PDT

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            •  And you should feel sorry (2+ / 0-)
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              zemblan, jhritz

              for harboring anti-Semites on your blog, like you do here.

              Jew-hating isn't tolerable, Sabbah.

              "I have not been so cowardly as to keep silent". - Alexis de Tocqueville

              by MBNYC on Sun May 13, 2007 at 04:11:49 PM PDT

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              •  Pathetic! (0+ / 0-)

                And I retreat my thanks to you earlier!

                Sabbah's Blog: An Uprooted Palestinian Blogger Searching For a Better Way Forward in the Middle East.

                by Sabbah on Sun May 13, 2007 at 10:17:32 PM PDT

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                •  Okay then... (2+ / 0-)
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                  unfounded, Five Thirty

                  ....just to be sure that everyone understands what I'm talking about, here's a screenshot from your blog of what I'm pointing out, what you consider pathetic of me:

                  I've pointed this out to you now multiple times, including immediately above, and it's still there. For people who wish to verify that this is indeed accurate, the link on Sabbah's blog is here.

                  NB, in the screenshot, the blurry things are links that I've purposefully obscured in Photoshop, because they link to right-wing hate sites. If this is nested too deep to be legible, I've set the width tag to 100%, so open up this comment in a separate window to see the full thing. This screenshot demonstrates that Sabbah's blog attracts clear anti-Semitic content, that he does not see the need to censor it, and that he's in touch with Shergald.

                  So, Sabbah, what is it about Jew Watch that you consider to be a valuable contribution to Progressive discourse? Why aren't you deleting this comment despite having it pointed out to you multiple times? And why are you thanking Shergald?

                  "I have not been so cowardly as to keep silent". - Alexis de Tocqueville

                  by MBNYC on Mon May 14, 2007 at 05:46:47 AM PDT

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    •  That site (2+ / 0-)
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      lemming22, heathlander

      Also refers to Rabbi Michael Lerner and Tikkun as aiding terrorism.

      http://www.stoptheism.com/...

    •  according to this incredibly biased website (2+ / 0-)
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      gimme a break.

      50 foot jesus take me home

      by howardx on Sun May 13, 2007 at 10:26:32 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, and the Commies and anarchists are afoot! (0+ / 0-)

      Misterblaine's link is to a website that links the ISM to those evil Communists! and Anarachists!  

      I support the existence of the nation of Israel within the pre-1967, and decry any people who call the formation of Israel and its independence "the Naqba", and protest focusing on May 14.  But the extremists on the other side, like Misterblaine, are also intolerable.

      9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

      by varro on Sun May 13, 2007 at 10:37:59 AM PDT

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  •  And before I sign off for tonight (1+ / 0-)
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    redrobin

    (it's over midnight here now), I would like to thanks MBNYC for the civilized conversation today. Hope it's always this way over I/P diaries.

    Sabbah's Blog: An Uprooted Palestinian Blogger Searching For a Better Way Forward in the Middle East.

    by Sabbah on Sun May 13, 2007 at 02:00:29 PM PDT

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